| wxl | pvcportugal: still there? :) | 00:06 |
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| pvcportugal | yeah | 00:08 |
| wxl | pvcportugal: so what would you like to do? | 00:08 |
| pvcportugal | At first I just wanted to help somehow | 00:09 |
| pvcportugal | Talked to a few other members of other teams | 00:09 |
| pvcportugal | and QA sounded like something useful that I would be available to do | 00:09 |
| wxl | and you specifically picked lubuntu? | 00:11 |
| wxl | (not like i'm complaining!) | 00:11 |
| pvcportugal | yes! | 00:11 |
| wxl | well wonderful | 00:12 |
| pvcportugal | I'm relatively new to LUbuntu(been a Ubuntu user for a few years) | 00:12 |
| pvcportugal | and liked it very much | 00:12 |
| wxl | great | 00:12 |
| wxl | have you seen the wiki page? | 00:12 |
| pvcportugal | I have | 00:13 |
| wxl | so you probably gather what encompasses qa. is there a particular area you'd like to help out in? | 00:14 |
| pvcportugal | I don't have a lot of experience with bug fixing and such | 00:15 |
| wxl | well certainly fixing is a part of it but the big help we need with bugs is triaging them which mainly consists of getting them to the point where developers can work on fixing them | 00:16 |
| wxl | but if that doesn't float your boat, then you certainly could do testing | 00:16 |
| wxl | as the wiki states, we need people mainly to test daily development images (i.e. 15.10 right now) and milestones, which are the alphas and betas and final releases of new images | 00:17 |
| pvcportugal | right | 00:17 |
| wxl | there's a procedure called a testcase that you follow to install | 00:17 |
| wxl | if it succeeds, you mark it passed | 00:18 |
| wxl | if it doesn't, you mark it failed | 00:18 |
| wxl | so pretty simple ;) | 00:18 |
| pvcportugal | that would be something I would be willing to do | 00:18 |
| wxl | the only other part is filing bugs along the way | 00:18 |
| wxl | cool! | 00:18 |
| wxl | well all you need is a virtual machine | 00:18 |
| pvcportugal | maybe if I get more experience in the topic I can eventually help with bug triage | 00:18 |
| wxl | you're more than welcome to do these installs on some other computer you have but virtual machines are more managable | 00:19 |
| wxl | though "bare metal" often reveals problems we wouldn't jhave easily been able to predict on a virtual machine | 00:19 |
| wxl | still most of us, myself included, use virtual machines | 00:19 |
| wxl | and yes, i think after you've filed a bunch of bugs and know the basic process, bug triage comes naturally | 00:20 |
| pvcportugal | right, would a partition of the disk work as well? | 00:20 |
| wxl | not for all testcases, unfortunately | 00:20 |
| wxl | smoe of the test cases test differnt partitioner tasks, such as installing using the whole disk | 00:21 |
| pvcportugal | I don't have an extra computer available, so I guess I'll have to stick to the virtual machine | 00:21 |
| wxl | yep, it works just fine | 00:21 |
| wxl | have you ever used vms? | 00:21 |
| pvcportugal | what if my computer has 2 separate disks? | 00:21 |
| pvcportugal | no I haven't | 00:22 |
| pvcportugal | wine is kinda like a VM right? | 00:22 |
| wxl | ok, so there are a bunch of choices, but ultimately i think most folks start with virtualbox because it's easy | 00:22 |
| wxl | you can get it from the repos | 00:22 |
| wxl | i like kvm a lot because support is built right into the kernel! | 00:23 |
| wxl | and yes, wine is *kind of* like a vm | 00:23 |
| pvcportugal | Oh and one important detail, do I need a lot of disk space? | 00:23 |
| wxl | just as much disk space as the install takes | 00:24 |
| wxl | which isn't that much really, especially in lubuntu's case | 00:24 |
| wxl | you do need to allocate memory to it but i often give 512mb to my vms | 00:24 |
| pvcportugal | I could definetly allocate that amount of memory | 00:26 |
| pvcportugal | even more if necessary | 00:26 |
| wxl | i mean if you're patient, you can even get away with 256 XD | 00:26 |
| wxl | so to get started, i would first get virtualbox installed | 00:27 |
| pvcportugal | I could allocate 1-2Gb | 00:27 |
| pvcportugal | I don't really use any demanding programs on my computer | 00:27 |
| pvcportugal | in progress | 00:28 |
| wxl | i usually don't crazy with memory allocation bbecause i do things while i wait for the installs to get done | 00:28 |
| wxl | and sometimes i might even run multiple vms at a time | 00:28 |
| wxl | so i reference the wiki page again. i've worked really darn hard to get just about everything you need to know up there | 00:29 |
| wxl | maybe i could organize it better, but… | 00:29 |
| pvcportugal | I'll give it a thorough read | 00:29 |
| wxl | here's where you go to report http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 00:30 |
| wxl | so you do have a launchpad id? | 00:30 |
| pvcportugal | I'm not sure actually | 00:31 |
| pvcportugal | I believe I do | 00:31 |
| wxl | well you'll need one :) | 00:31 |
| wxl | so make sure you know what it is and how to log in | 00:31 |
| pvcportugal | is it that account that is linked to ubuntu one? | 00:31 |
| wxl | yep | 00:32 |
| pvcportugal | then I do in fact have one | 00:32 |
| wxl | cool | 00:32 |
| wxl | that gets used A LOT | 00:32 |
| wxl | like you will need it to log into the QA Tracker which is what that link above is | 00:32 |
| wxl | you'll also need it for dealing with bugs | 00:32 |
| wxl | what is your id? | 00:33 |
| pvcportugal | I have to check, but I believe it is pvcportugal | 00:33 |
| wxl | let me see | 00:33 |
| wxl | yes it ids | 00:33 |
| wxl | is i mean | 00:33 |
| wxl | i just added you to the lubuntu-qa team | 00:33 |
| wxl | you should make sure to go on there and subscribe to the mailing list https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa | 00:34 |
| wxl | here and the mailing list are your best sources if you need help or find something really weird and just to get an idea of what's happening | 00:34 |
| wxl | you may see a fair amount of talk about lxqt. we are in the process of slowly transitioning from using lxde which uses gtk libraries to using lxqt which is a different branch of lxde that uses qt libraries | 00:35 |
| wxl | occassionally we will call out for testing a particular piece of software or two as part of that | 00:36 |
| wxl | so right now we have two upcoming releases: | 00:37 |
| wxl | 1. Ubuntu 14.04.3 on August 6 | 00:37 |
| wxl | 2. Ubuntu 15.10 on October 22nd | 00:37 |
| wxl | note that official milestone testing (i.e. alpha) begins June 25 | 00:38 |
| wxl | the Alphas and Betas will result in an actual released image which is available to the general public | 00:38 |
| wxl | technically all the images are but you may have to dig a bit more for the non-official releases :) | 00:38 |
| wxl | so there are daily images being built currently for both of those two releases | 00:38 |
| wxl | Wily/15.10 is here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds | 00:39 |
| wxl | and Trusty/14.04.3 is here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds | 00:39 |
| wxl | in general, the trusty one shouldn't need a lot of heavy testing | 00:39 |
| wxl | it should just be security fixes and such | 00:40 |
| wxl | so it doesn't need as much attention as the actuall development image | 00:40 |
| wxl | shoot i'm talking to myself aren't i :) | 00:40 |
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| ahoneybun | gsilvapt: around? | 21:36 |
| gsilvapt | yeap | 21:36 |
| ahoneybun | I have a link for you | 21:37 |
| ahoneybun | https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual | 21:37 |
| ahoneybun | written in RST | 21:37 |
| ahoneybun | main docs are in source/docs | 21:37 |
| ahoneybun | welcome page is in source | 21:38 |
| gsilvapt | Looks smaller than those written in TeX | 21:38 |
| gsilvapt | But looks good :) | 21:38 |
| ianorlyn | would be a lot easier to edit though | 21:38 |
| ahoneybun | gsilvapt: ianorlyn the best part is that I can convert to TeX | 21:39 |
| ahoneybun | the pdf is made with latex but I can use pandoc to make it as well | 21:39 |
| gsilvapt | ianorlyn, he insisted on RST, although since it is that flexible, cool enough | 21:40 |
| ahoneybun | gsilvapt: Like I agreed with you in the email thread (which I should have taken to the ubuntu-doc ML) we might just use 2 or so langs as core langs | 21:41 |
| Unit193 | ahoneybun: Why on github? | 21:41 |
| ahoneybun | 2 or so would be best to limit the need for new contributors to learn (if they are not ok with filing bug reports) | 21:41 |
| ahoneybun | Unit193: I don't have the keys and such set up on this laptop (had to reinstall) | 21:42 |
| gsilvapt | ahoneybun, you can add new ones | 21:42 |
| ahoneybun | It was easier in short | 21:42 |
| Unit193 | Ah, fun times, reinstalls... | 21:42 |
| ahoneybun | gsilvapt: nah | 21:42 |
| gsilvapt | By the way, you can still add it on Launchpad via GitHub | 21:42 |
| ahoneybun | I have the files backed up so I just need to know how add the key back | 21:43 |
| ahoneybun | yea that is what is awesome now gsilvapt | 21:43 |
| * ahoneybun really needs to update his slideshow now | 21:43 | |
| Unit193 | No, the awesome part is git support in LP, mirroring has been there for a while :P | 21:44 |
| ahoneybun | use git commands in LP now | 21:44 |
| ahoneybun | gsilvapt: LaTeX = TeX? | 21:48 |
| ianorlyn | LaTeX is a set of macros on top of TeX | 21:49 |
| ahoneybun | oh ok | 21:49 |
| ahoneybun | gsilvapt: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing | 21:58 |
| pvcportugal | Hello, can I boot my VM with a pendrive?(using virtualbox) | 22:12 |
| wxl | pvcportugal: you mean put the iso on a pendrive? | 22:18 |
| pvcportugal | yes | 22:20 |
| pvcportugal | just like a common pendrive instalation | 22:21 |
| ianorlyn | I normally just use the iso file | 22:24 |
| ianorlyn | pendrives don't have wear leveling | 22:24 |
| pvcportugal | I thought I had to either burn the iso | 22:26 |
| pvcportugal | or put it on a pendrive or something | 22:26 |
| ianorlyn | pvcportugal: for bare metal install usually | 22:26 |
| ianorlyn | I never did when I used virtualbox but mostly use qemu/kvm | 22:27 |
| pvcportugal | I guess I didn't really understand how to use the VM(noob here) | 22:28 |
| ianorlyn | basically virtualbox lets you boot from the iso as fake cd dvd drive | 22:29 |
| pvcportugal | how am I supposed to use the ISO direcly? | 22:29 |
| ianorlyn | I think you click add on the cd drive and select the iso file | 22:29 |
| ianorlyn | but I have only used on linux hosts | 22:29 |
| pvcportugal | I found it | 22:32 |
| pvcportugal | can't believe I didn't before | 22:33 |
| pvcportugal | thanks | 22:34 |
| pvcportugal | can I simulate any Lubuntu(i386, amd64 etc)? | 22:36 |
| pvcportugal | or i can only use the ones I would normaly use in my computer? | 22:36 |
| wxl | pvcportugal: no. virtualbox really can't handle software emulating another architecture. QEMU can, i think. | 22:37 |
| ianorlyn | pvcportugal: I think you need hardware support for amd64 and some wierd guest additions | 22:37 |
| ahoneybun | I've stayed with the same hardware (ie. I have x64 so I use x64 ISO's | 22:38 |
| ianorlyn | ahoneybun: with virtualbox with my core 2 duo t6500 on my laptop I can't run kvm and could only run i386 in virtualbox as I did not have vt-x | 22:39 |
| ianorlyn | well I can run kvm locally on that cpu it is pretty easy to setup kvm-qemu to go over ssh and wifi and run the vms on my desktop | 22:39 |
| wxl | http://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page | 22:40 |
| wxl | tl;dr it can handle hardware virtualization | 22:40 |
| ianorlyn | yes but is slow | 22:40 |
| ianorlyn | without kvm | 22:41 |
| wxl | but i'll warn you it's DARN slow | 22:41 |
| wxl | yep :) | 22:41 |
| ianorlyn | you could run for DEC alpha with qemu | 22:41 |
| * wxl looks around for the DEC Alpha ISO | 22:41 | |
| * ahoneybun waves at wxl | 22:50 | |
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