[00:06] <wxl> pvcportugal: still there? :)
[00:08] <pvcportugal> yeah
[00:08] <wxl> pvcportugal: so what would you like to do?
[00:09] <pvcportugal> At first I just wanted to help somehow
[00:09] <pvcportugal> Talked to a few other members of other teams
[00:09] <pvcportugal> and QA sounded like something useful that I would be available to do
[00:11] <wxl> and you specifically picked lubuntu?
[00:11] <wxl> (not like i'm complaining!)
[00:11] <pvcportugal> yes!
[00:12] <wxl> well wonderful
[00:12] <pvcportugal> I'm relatively new to LUbuntu(been a Ubuntu user for a few years)
[00:12] <pvcportugal> and liked it very much
[00:12] <wxl> great
[00:12] <wxl> have you seen the wiki page?
[00:13] <pvcportugal> I have
[00:14] <wxl> so you probably gather what encompasses qa. is there a particular area you'd like to help out in?
[00:15] <pvcportugal> I don't have a lot of experience with bug fixing and such
[00:16] <wxl> well certainly fixing is a part of it but the big help we need with bugs is triaging them which mainly consists of getting them to the point where developers can work on fixing them
[00:16] <wxl> but if that doesn't float your boat, then you certainly could do testing
[00:17] <wxl> as the wiki states, we need people mainly to test daily development images (i.e. 15.10 right now) and milestones, which are the alphas and betas and final releases of new images
[00:17] <pvcportugal> right
[00:17] <wxl> there's a procedure called a testcase that you follow to install
[00:18] <wxl> if it succeeds, you mark it passed
[00:18] <wxl> if it doesn't, you mark it failed
[00:18] <wxl> so pretty simple ;)
[00:18] <pvcportugal> that would be something I would be willing to do
[00:18] <wxl> the only other part is filing bugs along the way
[00:18] <wxl> cool!
[00:18] <wxl> well all you need is a virtual machine
[00:18] <pvcportugal> maybe if I get more experience in the topic I can eventually help with bug triage
[00:19] <wxl> you're more than welcome to do these installs on some other computer you have but virtual machines are more managable
[00:19] <wxl> though "bare metal" often reveals problems we wouldn't jhave easily been able to predict on a virtual machine
[00:19] <wxl> still most of us, myself included, use virtual machines
[00:20] <wxl> and yes, i think after you've filed a bunch of bugs and know the basic process, bug triage comes naturally
[00:20] <pvcportugal> right, would a partition of the disk work as well?
[00:20] <wxl> not for all testcases, unfortunately
[00:21] <wxl> smoe of the test cases test differnt partitioner tasks, such as installing using the whole disk
[00:21] <pvcportugal> I don't have an extra computer available, so I guess I'll have to stick to the virtual machine
[00:21] <wxl> yep, it works just fine
[00:21] <wxl> have you ever used vms?
[00:21] <pvcportugal> what if my computer has 2 separate disks?
[00:22] <pvcportugal> no I haven't
[00:22] <pvcportugal> wine is kinda like a VM right?
[00:22] <wxl> ok, so there are a bunch of choices, but ultimately i think most folks start with virtualbox because it's easy
[00:22] <wxl> you can get it from the repos
[00:23] <wxl> i like kvm a lot because support is built right into the kernel!
[00:23] <wxl> and yes, wine is *kind of* like a vm
[00:23] <pvcportugal> Oh and one important detail, do I need a lot of disk space?
[00:24] <wxl> just as much disk space as the install takes
[00:24] <wxl> which isn't that much really, especially in lubuntu's case
[00:24] <wxl> you do need to allocate memory to it but i often give 512mb to my vms
[00:26] <pvcportugal> I could definetly allocate that amount of memory
[00:26] <pvcportugal> even more if necessary
[00:26] <wxl> i mean if you're patient, you can even get away with 256 XD
[00:27] <wxl> so to get started, i would first get virtualbox installed
[00:27] <pvcportugal> I could allocate 1-2Gb
[00:27] <pvcportugal> I don't really use any demanding programs on my computer
[00:28] <pvcportugal> in progress
[00:28] <wxl> i usually don't crazy with memory allocation bbecause i do things while i wait for the installs to get done
[00:28] <wxl> and sometimes i might even run multiple vms at a time
[00:29] <wxl> so i reference the wiki page again. i've worked really darn hard to get just about everything you need to know up there
[00:29] <wxl> maybe i could organize it better, but…
[00:29] <pvcportugal> I'll give it a thorough read
[00:30] <wxl> here's where you go to report http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[00:30] <wxl> so you do have a launchpad id?
[00:31] <pvcportugal> I'm not sure actually
[00:31] <pvcportugal> I believe I do
[00:31] <wxl> well you'll need one :)
[00:31] <wxl> so make sure you know what it is and how to log in
[00:31] <pvcportugal> is it that account that is linked to ubuntu one?
[00:32] <wxl> yep
[00:32] <pvcportugal> then I do in fact have one
[00:32] <wxl> cool
[00:32] <wxl> that gets used A LOT
[00:32] <wxl> like you will need it to log into the QA Tracker which is what that link above is
[00:32] <wxl> you'll also need it for dealing with bugs
[00:33] <wxl> what is your id?
[00:33] <pvcportugal> I have to check, but I believe it is pvcportugal
[00:33] <wxl> let me see
[00:33] <wxl> yes it ids
[00:33] <wxl> is i mean
[00:33] <wxl> i just added you to the lubuntu-qa team
[00:34] <wxl> you should make sure to go on there and subscribe to the mailing list https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa
[00:34] <wxl> here and the mailing list are your best sources if you need help or find something really weird and just to get an idea of what's happening
[00:35] <wxl> you may see a fair amount of talk about lxqt. we are in the process of slowly transitioning from using lxde which uses gtk libraries to using lxqt which is a different branch of lxde that uses qt libraries
[00:36] <wxl> occassionally we will call out for testing a particular piece of software or two as part of that
[00:37] <wxl> so right now we have two upcoming releases:
[00:37] <wxl> 1. Ubuntu 14.04.3 on August 6
[00:37] <wxl> 2. Ubuntu 15.10 on October 22nd
[00:38] <wxl> note that official milestone testing (i.e. alpha) begins June 25
[00:38] <wxl> the Alphas and Betas will result in an actual released image which is available to the general public
[00:38] <wxl> technically all the images are but you may have to dig a bit more for the non-official releases :)
[00:38] <wxl> so there are daily images being built currently for both of those two releases
[00:39] <wxl> Wily/15.10 is here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds
[00:39] <wxl> and Trusty/14.04.3 is here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds
[00:39] <wxl> in general, the trusty one shouldn't need a lot of heavy testing
[00:40] <wxl> it should just be security fixes and such
[00:40] <wxl> so it doesn't need as much attention as the actuall development image
[00:40] <wxl> shoot i'm talking to myself aren't i :)
[21:36] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: around?
[21:36] <gsilvapt> yeap
[21:37] <ahoneybun> I have a link for you
[21:37] <ahoneybun> https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual
[21:37] <ahoneybun> written in RST
[21:37] <ahoneybun> main docs are in source/docs
[21:38] <ahoneybun> welcome page is in source
[21:38] <gsilvapt> Looks smaller than those written in TeX
[21:38] <gsilvapt> But looks good :)
[21:38] <ianorlyn> would be a lot easier to edit though
[21:39] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: ianorlyn the best part is that I can convert to TeX
[21:39] <ahoneybun> the pdf is made with latex but I can use pandoc to make it as well
[21:40] <gsilvapt> ianorlyn, he insisted on RST, although since it is that flexible, cool enough
[21:41] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: Like I agreed with you in the email thread (which I should have taken to the ubuntu-doc ML) we might just use 2 or so langs as core langs
[21:41] <Unit193> ahoneybun: Why on github?
[21:41] <ahoneybun> 2 or so would be best to limit the need for new contributors to learn (if they are not ok with filing bug reports)
[21:42] <ahoneybun> Unit193: I don't have the keys and such set up on this laptop (had to reinstall)
[21:42] <gsilvapt> ahoneybun, you can add new ones
[21:42] <ahoneybun> It was easier in short
[21:42] <Unit193> Ah, fun times, reinstalls...
[21:42] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: nah
[21:42] <gsilvapt> By the way, you can still add it on Launchpad via GitHub
[21:43] <ahoneybun> I have the files backed up so I just need to know how add the key back
[21:43] <ahoneybun> yea that is what is awesome now gsilvapt
[21:43]  * ahoneybun really needs to update his slideshow now
[21:44] <Unit193> No, the awesome part is git support in LP, mirroring has been there for a while :P
[21:44] <ahoneybun> use git commands in LP now
[21:48] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: LaTeX = TeX?
[21:49] <ianorlyn> LaTeX is a set of macros on top of TeX
[21:49] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[21:58] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[22:12] <pvcportugal> Hello, can I boot my VM with a pendrive?(using virtualbox)
[22:18] <wxl> pvcportugal: you mean put the iso on a pendrive?
[22:20] <pvcportugal> yes
[22:21] <pvcportugal> just like a common pendrive instalation
[22:24] <ianorlyn> I normally just use the iso file
[22:24] <ianorlyn> pendrives don't have wear leveling
[22:26] <pvcportugal> I thought I had to either burn the iso
[22:26] <pvcportugal> or put it on a pendrive or something
[22:26] <ianorlyn> pvcportugal: for bare metal install usually
[22:27] <ianorlyn> I never did when I used virtualbox but mostly use qemu/kvm
[22:28] <pvcportugal> I guess I didn't really understand how to use the VM(noob here)
[22:29] <ianorlyn> basically virtualbox lets you boot from the iso as fake cd dvd drive
[22:29] <pvcportugal> how am I supposed to use the ISO direcly?
[22:29] <ianorlyn> I think you click add on the cd drive and select the iso file
[22:29] <ianorlyn> but I have only used on linux hosts
[22:32] <pvcportugal> I found it
[22:33] <pvcportugal> can't believe I didn't before
[22:34] <pvcportugal> thanks
[22:36] <pvcportugal> can I simulate any Lubuntu(i386, amd64 etc)?
[22:36] <pvcportugal> or i can only use the ones I would normaly use in my computer?
[22:37] <wxl> pvcportugal: no. virtualbox really can't handle software emulating another architecture. QEMU can, i think.
[22:37] <ianorlyn> pvcportugal: I think you need hardware support for amd64 and some wierd guest additions
[22:38] <ahoneybun> I've stayed with the same hardware (ie. I have x64 so I use x64 ISO's
[22:39] <ianorlyn> ahoneybun: with virtualbox with my core 2 duo t6500 on my laptop I can't run kvm and could only run i386 in virtualbox as I did not have vt-x
[22:39] <ianorlyn> well I can run kvm locally on that cpu it is pretty easy to setup kvm-qemu to go over ssh and wifi and run the vms on my desktop
[22:40] <wxl> http://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page
[22:40] <wxl> tl;dr it can handle hardware virtualization
[22:40] <ianorlyn> yes but is slow
[22:41] <ianorlyn> without kvm
[22:41] <wxl> but i'll warn you it's DARN slow
[22:41] <wxl> yep :)
[22:41] <ianorlyn> you could run for DEC alpha with qemu
[22:41]  * wxl looks around for the DEC Alpha ISO
[22:50]  * ahoneybun waves at wxl