| pitti | Good morning | 04:37 |
|---|---|---|
| TheMuso | Morning pitti. | 04:44 |
| pitti | hey TheMuso! | 04:45 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:10 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks! | 06:36 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers, pitti, didrocks | 06:37 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 ! | 06:37 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, seb128 | 06:37 |
| larsu | morning! | 07:40 |
| seb128 | hey larsu | 07:44 |
| happyaron | hey larsu seb128, :) | 07:45 |
| seb128 | hey happyaron | 07:45 |
| happyaron | seb128: find not easy to reproduce the ibus problem in 15.04 now | 07:46 |
| happyaron | wonders what changed... | 07:46 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 07:46 |
| seb128 | were you able to trigger it in utopic? | 07:46 |
| happyaron | not tried in utopic yet | 07:46 |
| Laney | hullo | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 08:03 |
| Laney | yo didrocks | 08:06 |
| Laney | what's up | 08:06 |
| didrocks | nothing special since Friday :) | 08:06 |
| didrocks | and you? | 08:06 |
| Laney | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 08:08 |
| Laney | did some gardening at the weekend! :) | 08:08 |
| Laney | now we have food instead of weeds (and some flowers) | 08:08 |
| didrocks | nice | 08:10 |
| Laney | maybe | 08:10 |
| Laney | slugs got the lettuce we planted two weeks ago | 08:11 |
| Laney | in two days :( :( :( | 08:11 |
| didrocks | no good exposure? | 08:12 |
| Laney | nah just slugs being slugs | 08:13 |
| seb128 | hey larsu | 08:13 |
| Laney | need to fight them somehow | 08:13 |
| larsu | morning Laney! | 08:16 |
| Laney | ahoy larsu | 08:18 |
| pitti | hey Laney | 08:26 |
| pitti | Laney: we have tons of them as well, I can only recommend beer traps -- they work like a charm! | 08:27 |
| Laney | hey pitti, are you well? | 08:27 |
| pitti | and we now plant our herbs into a wooden box instead of directly into the ground -- slugs can't climb wood | 08:27 |
| Laney | we started collecting egg shells | 08:28 |
| pitti | Laney: I am, yes! we spent a long weekend at my wife's grandmother in Berlin, and helped with a few things | 08:28 |
| Laney | apparently they can't go over those | 08:28 |
| Laney | ah, nice change of scene | 08:29 |
| pitti | Laney: I dig a few glass jars into the ground, let the top 1 cm stick out, and fill them with a bit of beer and some water, to fill them roughly half full | 08:29 |
| larsu | beer? | 08:29 |
| Laney | drunk slug is dead slug | 08:30 |
| pitti | yeah, slugs are crazy for that, mostly the yeast I suppose -- they go into the jar and just drown there | 08:30 |
| pitti | happy death, I figure :) | 08:30 |
| pitti | and it's totally harmless to hedgehogs, cats, and everything else in the garden | 08:30 |
| * pitti doesn't like using poison or salt | 08:31 | |
| Laney | will keep that in the arsenal for next time | 08:31 |
| * ogra_ just adds more hedgehogs to his garden ;) | 08:39 | |
| seb128 | Laney, pitti, they don't like copper much either, you can put wires or they sell some sort of strap also for that | 08:42 |
| seb128 | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qpNMPCW7L._SX300_.jpg | 08:43 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, isn't that poisonous for plants/trees too? I've heard you can slowly kill a tree by putting a copper nail into it | 08:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, I didn't know about that, but put on the ground or on the wood from your boxes shouldn't hurt anything | 08:46 |
| flexiondotorg | I need to make a minor change to the 'debian/' packaging of software-center to add support for mate-polkit. | 10:28 |
| flexiondotorg | Is this the correct packaging repo for software-center? - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/software-center/packaging-dailies/files | 10:28 |
| flexiondotorg | Or should I just created a debdiff? | 10:29 |
| didrocks | flexiondotorg: yeah, seems to me the branch used for packaging | 10:31 |
| didrocks | so that should be good enough, dobey or mvo can certainly confirm | 10:31 |
| Laney | could do with being synced with the archive then | 10:32 |
| didrocks | yeah | 10:32 |
| flexiondotorg | I'm happy to do a merge request for packing-dailies or a debdiff. Just need to know what is preferred :-) | 10:32 |
| Laney | I'd do a debdiff because I suspect that nobody uses a vcs for packaging it atm | 10:34 |
| Laney | unless someone wants to undertake to refresh that daily branch | 10:34 |
| Laney | (in which case you'd add Vcs- tags in debian/control too) | 10:34 |
| didrocks | I wonder if the dailies are still built, indeed | 10:35 |
| yaraju | Does anyone know where I can find a 12.04 (precise) backport for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make? I want the whole autonatic updates thing for Android Studio. | 10:36 |
| yaraju | I'm considering creating a 12.0.4 backport, but would rather use an existing backport if there's one out there | 10:37 |
| yaraju | (I've never yet created a backport) | 10:37 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney, didrocks Thanks. I'll submit a debdiff. | 10:38 |
| didrocks | yaraju: you will need to add quite a bunch of things in a ppa or the official backports ppa as ubuntu make is python3 | 10:38 |
| didrocks | so it will be a lot of work to do it. I'm unsure anyone started on this already | 10:39 |
| yaraju | didrocks: Honour to hear straight from you! | 10:39 |
| didrocks | (or is it worth, we have 14.04 as latest good LTS with an optimized unity) ;) | 10:39 |
| didrocks | yaraju: ;) | 10:39 |
| yaraju | yes, I can make out that would be quite some work then. *sigh* | 10:39 |
| Laney | the one and only didrocks! | 10:40 |
| yaraju | didrocks: yes, I hear you. I'm a solo dev of a startup so I'm a little hesitant to redo my dev environment at the moment. | 10:40 |
| yaraju | I might just keep myself happy with downloading Android Studio for now in that case. | 10:40 |
| didrocks | yaraju: another way can be to use pip and virtualenv if you are familiar with it | 10:41 |
| didrocks | but yeah, seems if you are only interested in one dev environment, can be just worthy to download it manually | 10:41 |
| yaraju | didrocks: Yes. I might consider it if I get into more dart stuff too... that would add more elements from the ubuntu-make system that will be nice to keep managed. :) | 10:42 |
| * didrocks doesn't feel alone to be excited about Dart anymore :p | 10:42 | |
| didrocks | yeah, just a world of warning, the Dart team is doing major changes right now, I'm even unsure how I'll be able to deal with this in Ubuntu Make | 10:43 |
| didrocks | (they are removing Dart Editor as soon as in next release) | 10:43 |
| didrocks | if you are interested here are the packages I needed to backport for trusty: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-make?field.series_filter=trusty | 10:43 |
| yaraju | Aah I see. That's a big change. I thought that's one of their best deals. | 10:43 |
| didrocks | I bet the list for lucid is way longer | 10:43 |
| didrocks | yeah, they developped a webstorm IDE | 10:43 |
| didrocks | which makes sense, Android Studio is based as well on intellij | 10:44 |
| didrocks | the thing is that there is no free version of webstorm, and installing the plugin on raw intellij doesn't give you the nice html/css completion | 10:44 |
| didrocks | so on that one, to get a nice env, I'm on the "wait and see" phase :) | 10:44 |
| yaraju | didrocks: Speaking of which - I noticed Webstorm is supposed to be on ubuntu-make as well - isn't Webstorm a 30-day trial? | 10:45 |
| yaraju | Or does ubuntu-make package the full version, and have you give it the license? | 10:45 |
| didrocks | yaraju: no magic, only downloading the 30 day trial, and then, you can give it the license key if you have any | 10:46 |
| yaraju | didrocks: Ok, makes sense. I don't yet have an IntelliJ or Webstorm license, though considering it. IDEA already has me very pampered. | 10:47 |
| didrocks | yeah, IDEA is nice, for python, I'm using Pycharm, which is based on it | 10:47 |
| didrocks | and Android Studio is just… an awesome env :) | 10:48 |
| didrocks | for web, I'm using atom.io, I would like to integrate it with Ubuntu Make at some point | 10:48 |
| yaraju | I use Python every single time I have to do anything Python. For web, I've been sticking to Aptana for now... since Webstorm is - 30-day | 10:48 |
| yaraju | or, as of now - Chrome Dev Editor. | 10:48 |
| yaraju | And yes, can't agree more about Android Studio - for both Android frontend as well as backend. :) | 10:49 |
| yaraju | (if using GAE, etc.) | 10:49 |
| didrocks | exactly :) | 10:49 |
| didrocks | Chrome Dev Editor, never sticked to it more than a couple of hours (finding the html/css/javascript completion not good enough for my newbie skills) | 10:49 |
| yaraju | didrocks: That's a point. it's terrible with suggestions - but just really good if I'm doing fast iterations with polymer or chrome extensions. | 10:50 |
| yaraju | And "good enough" git integration for a small team | 10:50 |
| didrocks | yeah, I don't use those git integration, that's still something I do by hand, but I can understand why people wants to get that in their IDE. +1 on Chrome Dev integration with polymer | 10:51 |
| didrocks | let's see who would get a good polymer 0.9 (or probably 1.0 at Google IO) integration first though ;) | 10:51 |
| yaraju | :) Yes, indeed. | 10:52 |
| yaraju | *fingers crossed* | 10:52 |
| yaraju | i want Polymer to grow fast and well - it's a life-saver for a mainly backend guy | 10:52 |
| didrocks | I wouldn't have even consider diving in frontend world before I saw (first angular) and now polymer, so I know what you exactly mean! :) | 10:53 |
| * didrocks still needs to update one component to 0.9 though, I skipped 0.8 | 10:53 | |
| yaraju | :) I've just stuck to Polymer 0.5 for now - as it's what's mostly documented on the main site.... | 10:54 |
| yaraju | are there drastic changes? | 10:54 |
| didrocks | yeah, quite a lot… API breakage, but a good migration guide | 10:54 |
| didrocks | the whole target is to get it fast, even on non chrome browser | 10:54 |
| yaraju | Aah ok. | 10:54 |
| didrocks | and all components have been renamed to mark this change | 10:55 |
| didrocks | like core- are now iron- | 10:55 |
| yaraju | Aah I see. | 10:56 |
| yaraju | Decided to just download Android Studio now... and try to gather the guts to upgrade to 14.0.4 soon.. :) | 10:58 |
| didrocks | heh, keep us posted! 14.0.4 is a really nice LTS, worthes it! (once you get some time) | 10:59 |
| yaraju | Hmm. But Ubuntu 12.0.4 is so good too - except for the occasional Compiz crash. Lol! | 10:59 |
| didrocks | LTS rocks ;) | 11:00 |
| Laney | only two years left to migrate ;-) | 11:01 |
| Laney | "Jenkins Fixed" - the best kind of email | 11:01 |
| didrocks | Laney: I feel it's a bonus point when you did nothing for it :p | 11:01 |
| Laney | haha | 11:02 |
| yaraju | didrocks: Agreed about LTS. :) | 11:04 |
| yaraju | Laney: 2 years to migrate always feels like a lot... until it becomes 2 weeks | 11:04 |
| yaraju | Still, much better than most other OSs - which force-migrate you before they even feel ready for the next version. :P | 11:05 |
| didrocks1 | (migrating my home dir, so keeping that account meanwhile) | 11:07 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 11:19 |
| ricotz | Laney, hi, did you notice GFileMonitor isn't working anymore with 2.45.1? | 11:20 |
| Laney | ricotz: no, can't confirm that it's completely not working but I did file some bugs about trash handling that look like glocalfile bugs | 11:21 |
| Laney | please file upstream | 11:21 |
| ricotz | Laney, ok, i can confirm is not working at all | 11:21 |
| ricotz | desrt, hi, so the rewrite broke it somehow ;) | 11:22 |
| ricotz | desrt, Laney, for confirmation https://paste.debian.net/plain/179504 | 11:23 |
| Laney | ricotz: works for me, sorry | 11:33 |
| ricotz | Laney, hmm, works with 2.44.x, but not with git master (2.45.1+) | 11:34 |
| Laney | yes that's the pattern, I believe there's a bug but it's not totally broken | 11:34 |
| Laney | ricotz: try https://paste.debian.net/download/179521 which is a modified version of my example for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749317 | 11:35 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 749317 in gio "Sometimes events are missed when monitoring trash://" [Normal,New] | 11:35 |
| Laney | that also WFM but the trash:// case doesn't | 11:36 |
| ricotz | ok, let me check, for me all events are missing, your examples just logs CREATED/DELETED | 11:38 |
| Laney | yes | 11:38 |
| Laney | if all are missing and you see one then you haven't reproduced the bug :) | 11:39 |
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| ricotz | Laney, ok, so it looks like directory-monitoring works, but not file-monitoring | 11:42 |
| ricotz | Laney, your test "works" which is a directory-monitor | 11:42 |
| Laney | also wfm with a file monitor | 11:43 |
| Laney | anyway, perhaps post your findings in the bug | 11:43 |
| Laney | probably depends on some weird details that I don't know about :) | 11:43 |
| ricotz | i assume you are running the stock wily kernel? | 11:44 |
| ricotz | 4.0.3 mainline ppa build here | 11:44 |
| Laney | ya | 11:44 |
| ricotz | and /tmp is on a ssd here | 11:45 |
| Laney | same | 11:45 |
| Laney | try the archive's kernel then | 11:46 |
| ricotz | Laney, tested it on another machine and it seems unrelated to the kernel | 11:55 |
| ricotz | although the result in another on that machine, your test works, and mine received 3 events and stuck | 11:56 |
| * Laney is probably out of usefulness, your friendly local glib maintainer should be with you shortly | 11:57 | |
| Laney | your call is important to us | 11:57 |
| * Laney plays some classical music | 11:57 | |
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| dobey | flexiondotorg, didrocks: no, packaging-dailies is for the obsolete daily builds ppa | 13:13 |
| dobey | flexiondotorg, didrocks: for changes to ubuntu packaging make changes in lp:ubuntu/software-center | 13:13 |
| flexiondotorg | dobey, Thanks. | 13:13 |
| dobey | although, i think pkg import is broken on it, so you need to use the apt-get source for it | 13:13 |
| dobey | (or pull-lp-source rather) | 13:14 |
| flexiondotorg | dobey, Understood. | 13:14 |
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| === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr | ||
| Trevinho | larsu: hey | 15:56 |
| Trevinho | larsu: do you happen to know why the gtk menus have an edge that takes input now? | 15:57 |
| larsu | Trevinho: they do? | 16:32 |
| larsu | how can I see that? | 16:32 |
| Trevinho | larsu: yes... vivid (unity at least), right click on the desktop and try to click on the edge of the menu (few pixels around the menu area): it won't close | 16:33 |
| larsu | Trevinho: it does for me on W | 16:34 |
| Trevinho | larsu: has W a different gtk version than V? | 16:34 |
| * Trevinho lazy | 16:34 | |
| larsu | Trevinho: nope, but I do apparently :D | 16:34 |
| * larsu is on 3.16 from Laney's ppa | 16:34 | |
| Trevinho | well that might be enough to get the fix done :) | 16:35 |
| larsu | right | 16:35 |
| Trevinho | larsu: not sure wether ambiance matters also (I think it could) | 16:35 |
| larsu | Trevinho: which theme are you using? | 16:35 |
| * Trevinho adds missing 'h' | 16:35 | |
| Trevinho | larsu: stock ambiance | 16:36 |
| larsu | ya, me too | 16:36 |
| Trevinho | I went through the changes to gtkmenu but I didn't see anything related, but I guess it's something at lower leve | 16:37 |
| Trevinho | l | 16:37 |
| larsu | might be, not sure. Never saw this issue myself tbh | 16:37 |
| Trevinho | me neither... AP noticed it.. | 16:38 |
| Trevinho | as it wasn't able to close menus in unity... | 16:38 |
| seb128 | is that sideeffect from the border rendering done in the theme? | 16:38 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I think so... but in general that part should use XShape to not get input | 16:42 |
| Laney | bye! | 17:00 |
| didrocks | good evening Laney | 17:02 |
| jono | hey all | 17:51 |
| jono | anyone know why desktop next doesn't work in virtualbox? | 17:51 |
| jono | lighted won't log me in | 17:51 |
| jono | lightdm | 17:51 |
| seb128 | jono, you probably don't have working 3d support there? | 18:17 |
| seb128 | mir doesn't work on software rendering | 18:17 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, did we have the hotspot code loading the updates plugin before? or are we going to do that only to get the model? | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | it's new | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | we do it in the about plugin already | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | seemed like the easiest way to do it | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | once we work out the mako issue, we won't need this | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | if you try to enable it on mako, it will drive the load so high the device reboots | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | wpasupplicant spinning | 18:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, shrug, there must be a better hack | 18:39 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, like getting the info from qtsystems or something? | 18:39 |
| kenvandine | i don't think we can | 18:39 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the updates plugin is not cheap to init | 18:39 |
| kenvandine | it's much cheaper now that it used to be | 18:39 |
| seb128 | read /etc/lsbsomething? ;-) | 18:39 |
| kenvandine | s/that/than | 18:39 |
| kenvandine | and it doesn't do a check or anything when it's loaded | 18:40 |
| kenvandine | it's handy because it's exposed from system-image-dbus | 18:40 |
| kenvandine | we really can't blacklist per device this way long term, so this code shouldn't live for long | 18:40 |
| kenvandine | it just doesn't scale for multiple devices | 18:41 |
| kenvandine | i'm just tired of not getting hotspot support landed because of mako... we need people to start using it :) | 18:41 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, right, I just don't like much the workaround | 18:43 |
| seb128 | there must be a better way than loading another panel backend just for that | 18:43 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the about panel uses "deviceInfos.model()" which is from qtsystem | 18:45 |
| seb128 | hum, no, in fact on the phone it uses the backend which calls property_get | 18:46 |
| seb128 | well, I guess it's about the same | 18:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I still hate that solution :p | 18:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, make sure to add a comment next to the import saying it can go away once we don't need the workaround ;-) | 18:47 |
| kenvandine | ok, will do | 18:47 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:47 |
| kenvandine | i'm not a big fan either... but tired of hotspot support not landing :/ | 18:48 |
| seb128 | Laney, saw you uploaded remmina ... there is a patch to avoid a segfault on !x11 in the sponsoring queue, maybe you want to review it/include in ubuntu/debian | 18:48 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, why do we block features to land on buggy/unsupported devices? | 18:48 |
| kenvandine | seb128, because as soon as someone tries to use it on mako... it'll be real bad :) | 18:50 |
| kenvandine | seb128, it's not the only thing been holding it up | 18:50 |
| kenvandine | but it's about the last thing | 18:50 |
| seb128 | k | 18:50 |
| seb128 | and there is nothing we can check to figure out that support is working or not? | 18:50 |
| kenvandine | and we think awe will be fixing that bug, but it isn't near the top of his list yet :/ | 18:51 |
| kenvandine | no, because as best we can tell it should work | 18:51 |
| kenvandine | but if you enable it, wpasupplicant goes nuts | 18:51 |
| seb128 | k | 18:52 |
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| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Hey, so org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences action-middle-click-titlebar has been changed from lower to none in gsettings-desktop-schemas. What is your opinion of distro patching this back to lower? It currently breaking a couple of Unity AP tests and just trying to figure out the best course of action. | 19:34 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, we should add that to the ubuntu-settings override with the old value | 19:44 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Ah, right, I forgot about that package. | 19:45 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: I'll work on a MP for it. I suppose a 15.04 SRU would be in order too. | 19:46 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, k, I can sponsor the change for you | 19:47 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Cool, thanks. I'll ping you later when it's all ready. | 19:47 |
| seb128 | likely tomorrow for me, but sure | 19:48 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Yeah, that's good for me too:) | 19:49 |
| jono | seb128, ahhh gotcha | 19:59 |
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