[04:37] <pitti> Good morning
[04:44] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[04:45] <pitti> hey TheMuso!
[06:10] <didrocks> good morning
[06:36] <pitti> bonjour didrocks!
[06:37] <seb128> good morning desktopers, pitti, didrocks
[06:37] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:37] <didrocks> hey pitti, seb128
[07:40] <larsu> morning!
[07:44] <seb128> hey larsu
[07:45] <happyaron> hey larsu seb128, :)
[07:45] <seb128> hey happyaron
[07:46] <happyaron> seb128: find not easy to reproduce the ibus problem in 15.04 now
[07:46] <happyaron> wonders what changed...
[07:46] <seb128> :-/
[07:46] <seb128> were you able to trigger it in utopic?
[07:46] <happyaron> not tried in utopic yet
[08:03] <Laney> hullo
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:06] <Laney> yo didrocks
[08:06] <Laney> what's up
[08:06] <didrocks> nothing special since Friday :)
[08:06] <didrocks> and you?
[08:08] <Laney> ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:08] <Laney> did some gardening at the weekend! :)
[08:08] <Laney> now we have food instead of weeds (and some flowers)
[08:10] <didrocks> nice
[08:10] <Laney> maybe
[08:11] <Laney> slugs got the lettuce we planted two weeks ago
[08:11] <Laney> in two days :( :( :(
[08:12] <didrocks> no good exposure?
[08:13] <Laney> nah just slugs being slugs
[08:13] <seb128> hey larsu
[08:13] <Laney> need to fight them somehow
[08:16] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:18] <Laney> ahoy larsu
[08:26] <pitti> hey Laney
[08:27] <pitti> Laney: we have tons of them as well, I can only recommend beer traps -- they work like a charm!
[08:27] <Laney> hey pitti, are you well?
[08:27] <pitti> and we now plant our herbs into a wooden box instead of directly into the ground -- slugs can't climb wood
[08:28] <Laney> we started collecting egg shells
[08:28] <pitti> Laney: I am, yes! we spent a long weekend at my wife's grandmother in Berlin, and helped with a few things
[08:28] <Laney> apparently they can't go over those
[08:29] <Laney> ah, nice change of scene
[08:29] <pitti> Laney: I dig a few glass jars into the ground, let the top 1 cm stick out, and fill them with a bit of beer and some water, to fill them roughly half full
[08:29] <larsu> beer?
[08:30] <Laney> drunk slug is dead slug
[08:30] <pitti> yeah, slugs are crazy for that, mostly the yeast I suppose -- they go into the jar and just drown there
[08:30] <pitti> happy death, I figure :)
[08:30] <pitti> and it's totally harmless to hedgehogs, cats, and everything else in the garden
[08:31]  * pitti doesn't like using poison or salt
[08:31] <Laney> will keep that in the arsenal for next time
[08:39]  * ogra_ just adds more hedgehogs to his garden ;)
[08:42] <seb128> Laney, pitti, they don't like copper much either, you can put wires or they sell some sort of strap also for that
[08:43] <seb128> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qpNMPCW7L._SX300_.jpg
[08:44] <pitti> seb128: hm, isn't that poisonous for plants/trees too? I've heard you can slowly kill a tree by putting a copper nail into it
[08:46] <seb128> pitti, I didn't know about that, but put on the ground or on the wood from your boxes shouldn't hurt anything
[10:28] <flexiondotorg> I need to make a minor change to the 'debian/' packaging of software-center to add support for mate-polkit.
[10:28] <flexiondotorg> Is this the correct packaging repo for software-center? - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/software-center/packaging-dailies/files
[10:29] <flexiondotorg> Or should I just created a debdiff?
[10:31] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: yeah, seems to me the branch used for packaging
[10:31] <didrocks> so that should be good enough, dobey or mvo can certainly confirm
[10:32] <Laney> could do with being synced with the archive then
[10:32] <didrocks> yeah
[10:32] <flexiondotorg> I'm happy to do a merge request for packing-dailies or a debdiff. Just need to know what is preferred :-)
[10:34] <Laney> I'd do a debdiff because I suspect that nobody uses a vcs for packaging it atm
[10:34] <Laney> unless someone wants to undertake to refresh that daily branch
[10:34] <Laney> (in which case you'd add Vcs- tags in debian/control too)
[10:35] <didrocks> I wonder if the dailies are still built, indeed
[10:36] <yaraju> Does anyone know where I can find a 12.04 (precise) backport for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make? I want the whole autonatic updates thing for Android Studio.
[10:37] <yaraju> I'm considering creating a 12.0.4 backport, but would rather use an existing backport if there's one out there
[10:37] <yaraju> (I've never yet created a backport)
[10:38] <flexiondotorg> Laney, didrocks Thanks. I'll submit a debdiff.
[10:38] <didrocks> yaraju: you will need to add quite a bunch of things in a ppa or the official backports ppa as ubuntu make is python3
[10:39] <didrocks> so it will be a lot of work to do it. I'm unsure anyone started on this already
[10:39] <yaraju> didrocks: Honour to hear straight from you!
[10:39] <didrocks> (or is it worth, we have 14.04 as latest good LTS with an optimized unity) ;)
[10:39] <didrocks> yaraju: ;)
[10:39] <yaraju> yes, I can make out that would be quite some work then. *sigh*
[10:40] <Laney> the one and only didrocks!
[10:40] <yaraju> didrocks: yes, I hear you. I'm a solo dev of a startup so I'm a little hesitant to redo my dev environment at the moment.
[10:40] <yaraju> I might just keep myself happy with downloading Android Studio for now in that case.
[10:41] <didrocks> yaraju: another way can be to use pip and virtualenv if you are familiar with it
[10:41] <didrocks> but yeah, seems if you are only interested in one dev environment, can be just worthy to download it manually
[10:42] <yaraju> didrocks: Yes. I might consider it if I get into more dart stuff too... that would add more elements from the ubuntu-make system that will be nice to keep managed. :)
[10:42]  * didrocks doesn't feel alone to be excited about Dart anymore :p
[10:43] <didrocks> yeah, just a world of warning, the Dart team is doing major changes right now, I'm even unsure how I'll be able to deal with this in Ubuntu Make
[10:43] <didrocks> (they are removing Dart Editor as soon as in next release)
[10:43] <didrocks> if you are interested here are the packages I needed to backport for trusty: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-make?field.series_filter=trusty
[10:43] <yaraju> Aah I see. That's a big change. I thought that's one of their best deals.
[10:43] <didrocks> I bet the list for lucid is way longer
[10:43] <didrocks> yeah, they developped a webstorm IDE
[10:44] <didrocks> which makes sense, Android Studio is based as well on intellij
[10:44] <didrocks> the thing is that there is no free version of webstorm, and installing the plugin on raw intellij doesn't give you the nice html/css completion
[10:44] <didrocks> so on that one, to get a nice env, I'm on the "wait and see" phase :)
[10:45] <yaraju> didrocks: Speaking of which - I noticed Webstorm is supposed to be on ubuntu-make as well - isn't Webstorm a 30-day trial?
[10:45] <yaraju> Or does ubuntu-make package the full version, and have you give it the license?
[10:46] <didrocks> yaraju: no magic, only downloading the 30 day trial, and then, you can give it the license key if you have any
[10:47] <yaraju> didrocks: Ok, makes sense. I don't yet have an IntelliJ or Webstorm license, though considering it. IDEA already has me very pampered.
[10:47] <didrocks> yeah, IDEA is nice, for python, I'm using Pycharm, which is based on it
[10:48] <didrocks> and Android Studio is just… an awesome env :)
[10:48] <didrocks> for web, I'm using atom.io, I would like to integrate it with Ubuntu Make at some point
[10:48] <yaraju> I use Python every single time I have to do anything Python. For web, I've been sticking to Aptana for now... since Webstorm is - 30-day
[10:48] <yaraju> or, as of now - Chrome Dev Editor.
[10:49] <yaraju> And yes, can't agree more about Android Studio - for both Android frontend as well as backend. :)
[10:49] <yaraju> (if using GAE, etc.)
[10:49] <didrocks> exactly :)
[10:49] <didrocks> Chrome Dev Editor, never sticked to it more than a couple of hours (finding the html/css/javascript completion not good enough for my newbie skills)
[10:50] <yaraju> didrocks: That's a point. it's terrible with suggestions - but just really good if I'm doing fast iterations with polymer or chrome extensions.
[10:50] <yaraju> And "good enough" git integration for a small team
[10:51] <didrocks> yeah, I don't use those git integration, that's still something I do by hand, but I can understand why people wants to get that in their IDE. +1 on Chrome Dev integration with polymer
[10:51] <didrocks> let's see who would get a good polymer 0.9 (or probably 1.0 at Google IO) integration first though ;)
[10:52] <yaraju> :) Yes, indeed.
[10:52] <yaraju> *fingers crossed*
[10:52] <yaraju> i want Polymer to grow fast and well - it's a life-saver for a mainly backend guy
[10:53] <didrocks> I wouldn't have even consider diving in frontend world before I saw (first angular) and now polymer, so I know what you exactly mean! :)
[10:53]  * didrocks still needs to update one component to 0.9 though, I skipped 0.8
[10:54] <yaraju> :) I've just stuck to Polymer 0.5 for now - as it's what's mostly documented on the main site....
[10:54] <yaraju> are there drastic changes?
[10:54] <didrocks> yeah, quite a lot… API breakage, but a good migration guide
[10:54] <didrocks> the whole target is to get it fast, even on non chrome browser
[10:54] <yaraju> Aah ok.
[10:55] <didrocks> and all components have been renamed to mark this change
[10:55] <didrocks> like core- are now iron-
[10:56] <yaraju> Aah I see.
[10:58] <yaraju> Decided to just download Android Studio now... and try to gather the guts to upgrade to 14.0.4 soon.. :)
[10:59] <didrocks> heh, keep us posted! 14.0.4 is a really nice LTS, worthes it! (once you get some time)
[10:59] <yaraju> Hmm. But Ubuntu 12.0.4 is so good too - except for the occasional Compiz crash. Lol!
[11:00] <didrocks> LTS rocks ;)
[11:01] <Laney> only two years left to migrate ;-)
[11:01] <Laney> "Jenkins Fixed" - the best kind of email
[11:01] <didrocks> Laney: I feel it's a bonus point when you did nothing for it :p
[11:02] <Laney> haha
[11:04] <yaraju> didrocks: Agreed about LTS. :)
[11:04] <yaraju> Laney: 2 years to migrate always feels like a lot... until it becomes 2 weeks
[11:05] <yaraju> Still, much better than most other OSs - which force-migrate you before they even feel ready for the next version. :P
[11:07] <didrocks1> (migrating my home dir, so keeping that account meanwhile)
[11:19] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[11:20] <ricotz> Laney, hi, did you notice GFileMonitor isn't working anymore with 2.45.1?
[11:21] <Laney> ricotz: no, can't confirm that it's completely not working but I did file some bugs about trash handling that look like glocalfile bugs
[11:21] <Laney> please file upstream
[11:21] <ricotz> Laney, ok, i can confirm is not working at all
[11:22] <ricotz> desrt, hi, so the rewrite broke it somehow ;)
[11:23] <ricotz> desrt, Laney, for confirmation https://paste.debian.net/plain/179504
[11:33] <Laney> ricotz: works for me, sorry
[11:34] <ricotz> Laney, hmm, works with 2.44.x, but not with git master (2.45.1+)
[11:34] <Laney> yes that's the pattern, I believe there's a bug but it's not totally broken
[11:35] <Laney> ricotz: try https://paste.debian.net/download/179521 which is a modified version of my example for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749317
[11:36] <Laney> that also WFM but the trash:// case doesn't
[11:38] <ricotz> ok, let me check, for me all events are missing, your examples just logs CREATED/DELETED
[11:38] <Laney> yes
[11:39] <Laney> if all are missing and you see one then you haven't reproduced the bug :)
[11:42] <ricotz> Laney, ok, so it looks like directory-monitoring works, but not file-monitoring
[11:42] <ricotz> Laney, your test "works" which is a directory-monitor
[11:43] <Laney> also wfm with a file monitor
[11:43] <Laney> anyway, perhaps post your findings in the bug
[11:43] <Laney> probably depends on some weird details that I don't know about :)
[11:44] <ricotz> i assume you are running the stock wily kernel?
[11:44] <ricotz> 4.0.3 mainline ppa build here
[11:44] <Laney> ya
[11:45] <ricotz> and /tmp is on a ssd here
[11:45] <Laney> same
[11:46] <Laney> try the archive's kernel then
[11:55] <ricotz> Laney, tested it on another machine and it seems unrelated to the kernel
[11:56] <ricotz> although the result in another on that machine, your test works, and mine received 3 events and stuck
[11:57]  * Laney is probably out of usefulness, your friendly local glib maintainer should be with you shortly
[11:57] <Laney> your call is important to us
[11:57]  * Laney plays some classical music
[13:13] <dobey> flexiondotorg, didrocks: no, packaging-dailies is for the obsolete daily builds ppa
[13:13] <dobey> flexiondotorg, didrocks: for changes to ubuntu packaging make changes in lp:ubuntu/software-center
[13:13] <flexiondotorg> dobey, Thanks.
[13:13] <dobey> although, i think pkg import is broken on it, so you need to use the apt-get source for it
[13:14] <dobey> (or pull-lp-source rather)
[13:14] <flexiondotorg> dobey, Understood.
[15:56] <Trevinho> larsu: hey
[15:57] <Trevinho> larsu: do you happen to know why the gtk menus have an edge that takes input now?
[16:32] <larsu> Trevinho: they do?
[16:32] <larsu> how can I see that?
[16:33] <Trevinho> larsu: yes... vivid (unity at least), right click on the desktop and try to click on the edge of the menu (few pixels around the menu area): it won't close
[16:34] <larsu> Trevinho: it does for me on W
[16:34] <Trevinho> larsu: has W a different gtk version than V?
[16:34]  * Trevinho lazy
[16:34] <larsu> Trevinho: nope, but I do apparently :D
[16:34]  * larsu is on 3.16 from Laney's ppa
[16:35] <Trevinho> well that might be enough to get the fix done :)
[16:35] <larsu> right
[16:35] <Trevinho> larsu: not sure wether ambiance matters also (I think it could)
[16:35] <larsu> Trevinho: which theme are you using?
[16:35]  * Trevinho adds missing 'h'
[16:36] <Trevinho> larsu: stock ambiance
[16:36] <larsu> ya, me too
[16:37] <Trevinho> I went through the changes to gtkmenu but I didn't see anything related, but I guess it's something at lower leve
[16:37] <Trevinho> l
[16:37] <larsu> might be, not sure. Never saw this issue myself tbh
[16:38] <Trevinho> me neither... AP noticed it..
[16:38] <Trevinho> as it wasn't able to close menus in unity...
[16:38] <seb128> is that sideeffect from the border rendering done in the theme?
[16:42] <Trevinho> seb128: I think so... but in general that part should use XShape to not get input
[17:00] <Laney> bye!
[17:02] <didrocks> good evening Laney
[17:51] <jono> hey all
[17:51] <jono> anyone know why desktop next doesn't work in virtualbox?
[17:51] <jono> lighted won't log me in
[17:51] <jono> lightdm
[18:17] <seb128> jono, you probably don't have working 3d support there?
[18:17] <seb128> mir doesn't work on software rendering
[18:32] <seb128> kenvandine, did we have the hotspot code loading the updates plugin before? or are we going to do that only to get the model?
[18:33] <kenvandine> it's new
[18:33] <kenvandine> we do it in the about plugin already
[18:33] <kenvandine> seemed like the easiest way to do it
[18:33] <kenvandine> once we work out the mako issue, we won't need this
[18:34] <kenvandine> if you try to enable it on mako, it will drive the load so high the device reboots
[18:34] <kenvandine> wpasupplicant spinning
[18:39] <seb128> kenvandine, shrug, there must be a better hack
[18:39] <seb128> kenvandine, like getting the info from qtsystems or something?
[18:39] <kenvandine> i don't think we can
[18:39] <seb128> kenvandine, the updates plugin is not cheap to init
[18:39] <kenvandine> it's much cheaper now that it used to be
[18:39] <seb128> read /etc/lsbsomething? ;-)
[18:39] <kenvandine> s/that/than
[18:40] <kenvandine> and it doesn't do a check or anything when it's loaded
[18:40] <kenvandine> it's handy because it's exposed from system-image-dbus
[18:40] <kenvandine> we really can't blacklist per device this way long term, so this code shouldn't live for long
[18:41] <kenvandine> it just doesn't scale for multiple devices
[18:41] <kenvandine> i'm just tired of not getting hotspot support landed because of mako... we need people to start using it :)
[18:43] <seb128> kenvandine, right, I just don't like much the workaround
[18:43] <seb128> there must be a better way than loading another panel backend just for that
[18:45] <seb128> kenvandine, the about panel uses "deviceInfos.model()" which is from qtsystem
[18:46] <seb128> hum, no, in fact on the phone it uses the backend which calls property_get
[18:46] <seb128> well, I guess it's about the same
[18:46] <seb128> kenvandine, I still hate that solution :p
[18:47] <seb128> kenvandine, make sure to add a comment next to the import saying it can go away once we don't need the workaround ;-)
[18:47] <kenvandine> ok, will do
[18:47] <seb128> thanks
[18:48] <kenvandine> i'm not a big fan either... but tired of hotspot support not landing :/
[18:48] <seb128> Laney, saw you uploaded remmina ... there is a patch to avoid a segfault on !x11 in the sponsoring queue, maybe you want to review it/include in ubuntu/debian
[18:48] <seb128> kenvandine, why do we block features to land on buggy/unsupported devices?
[18:50] <kenvandine> seb128, because as soon as someone tries to use it on mako... it'll be real bad :)
[18:50] <kenvandine> seb128, it's not the only thing been holding it up
[18:50] <kenvandine> but it's about the last thing
[18:50] <seb128> k
[18:50] <seb128> and there is nothing we can check to figure out that support is working or not?
[18:51] <kenvandine> and we think awe will be fixing that bug, but it isn't near the top of his list yet :/
[18:51] <kenvandine> no, because as best we can tell it should work
[18:51] <kenvandine> but if you enable it, wpasupplicant goes nuts
[18:52] <seb128> k
[19:34] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Hey, so org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences action-middle-click-titlebar has been changed from lower to none in gsettings-desktop-schemas.  What is your opinion of distro patching this back to lower?  It currently breaking a couple of Unity AP tests and just trying to figure out the best course of action.
[19:44] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, we should add that to the ubuntu-settings override with the old value
[19:45] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Ah, right, I forgot about that package.
[19:46] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: I'll work on a MP for it.  I suppose a 15.04 SRU would be in order too.
[19:47] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, k, I can sponsor the change for you
[19:47] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Cool, thanks.  I'll ping you later when it's all ready.
[19:48] <seb128> likely tomorrow for me, but sure
[19:49] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Yeah, that's good for me too:)
[19:59] <jono> seb128, ahhh gotcha