[04:37] Good morning [04:44] Morning pitti. [04:45] hey TheMuso! [06:10] good morning [06:36] bonjour didrocks! [06:37] good morning desktopers, pitti, didrocks [06:37] bonjour seb128 ! [06:37] hey pitti, seb128 [07:40] morning! [07:44] hey larsu [07:45] hey larsu seb128, :) [07:45] hey happyaron [07:46] seb128: find not easy to reproduce the ibus problem in 15.04 now [07:46] wonders what changed... [07:46] :-/ [07:46] were you able to trigger it in utopic? [07:46] not tried in utopic yet [08:03] hullo [08:03] hey Laney [08:06] yo didrocks [08:06] what's up [08:06] nothing special since Friday :) [08:06] and you? [08:08] ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [08:08] did some gardening at the weekend! :) [08:08] now we have food instead of weeds (and some flowers) [08:10] nice [08:10] maybe [08:11] slugs got the lettuce we planted two weeks ago [08:11] in two days :( :( :( [08:12] no good exposure? [08:13] nah just slugs being slugs [08:13] hey larsu [08:13] need to fight them somehow [08:16] morning Laney! [08:18] ahoy larsu [08:26] hey Laney [08:27] Laney: we have tons of them as well, I can only recommend beer traps -- they work like a charm! [08:27] hey pitti, are you well? [08:27] and we now plant our herbs into a wooden box instead of directly into the ground -- slugs can't climb wood [08:28] we started collecting egg shells [08:28] Laney: I am, yes! we spent a long weekend at my wife's grandmother in Berlin, and helped with a few things [08:28] apparently they can't go over those [08:29] ah, nice change of scene [08:29] Laney: I dig a few glass jars into the ground, let the top 1 cm stick out, and fill them with a bit of beer and some water, to fill them roughly half full [08:29] beer? [08:30] drunk slug is dead slug [08:30] yeah, slugs are crazy for that, mostly the yeast I suppose -- they go into the jar and just drown there [08:30] happy death, I figure :) [08:30] and it's totally harmless to hedgehogs, cats, and everything else in the garden [08:31] * pitti doesn't like using poison or salt [08:31] will keep that in the arsenal for next time [08:39] * ogra_ just adds more hedgehogs to his garden ;) [08:42] Laney, pitti, they don't like copper much either, you can put wires or they sell some sort of strap also for that [08:43] http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qpNMPCW7L._SX300_.jpg [08:44] seb128: hm, isn't that poisonous for plants/trees too? I've heard you can slowly kill a tree by putting a copper nail into it [08:46] pitti, I didn't know about that, but put on the ground or on the wood from your boxes shouldn't hurt anything [10:28] I need to make a minor change to the 'debian/' packaging of software-center to add support for mate-polkit. [10:28] Is this the correct packaging repo for software-center? - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/software-center/packaging-dailies/files [10:29] Or should I just created a debdiff? [10:31] flexiondotorg: yeah, seems to me the branch used for packaging [10:31] so that should be good enough, dobey or mvo can certainly confirm [10:32] could do with being synced with the archive then [10:32] yeah [10:32] I'm happy to do a merge request for packing-dailies or a debdiff. Just need to know what is preferred :-) [10:34] I'd do a debdiff because I suspect that nobody uses a vcs for packaging it atm [10:34] unless someone wants to undertake to refresh that daily branch [10:34] (in which case you'd add Vcs- tags in debian/control too) [10:35] I wonder if the dailies are still built, indeed [10:36] Does anyone know where I can find a 12.04 (precise) backport for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make? I want the whole autonatic updates thing for Android Studio. [10:37] I'm considering creating a 12.0.4 backport, but would rather use an existing backport if there's one out there [10:37] (I've never yet created a backport) [10:38] Laney, didrocks Thanks. I'll submit a debdiff. [10:38] yaraju: you will need to add quite a bunch of things in a ppa or the official backports ppa as ubuntu make is python3 [10:39] so it will be a lot of work to do it. I'm unsure anyone started on this already [10:39] didrocks: Honour to hear straight from you! [10:39] (or is it worth, we have 14.04 as latest good LTS with an optimized unity) ;) [10:39] yaraju: ;) [10:39] yes, I can make out that would be quite some work then. *sigh* [10:40] the one and only didrocks! [10:40] didrocks: yes, I hear you. I'm a solo dev of a startup so I'm a little hesitant to redo my dev environment at the moment. [10:40] I might just keep myself happy with downloading Android Studio for now in that case. [10:41] yaraju: another way can be to use pip and virtualenv if you are familiar with it [10:41] but yeah, seems if you are only interested in one dev environment, can be just worthy to download it manually [10:42] didrocks: Yes. I might consider it if I get into more dart stuff too... that would add more elements from the ubuntu-make system that will be nice to keep managed. :) [10:42] * didrocks doesn't feel alone to be excited about Dart anymore :p [10:43] yeah, just a world of warning, the Dart team is doing major changes right now, I'm even unsure how I'll be able to deal with this in Ubuntu Make [10:43] (they are removing Dart Editor as soon as in next release) [10:43] if you are interested here are the packages I needed to backport for trusty: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-make?field.series_filter=trusty [10:43] Aah I see. That's a big change. I thought that's one of their best deals. [10:43] I bet the list for lucid is way longer [10:43] yeah, they developped a webstorm IDE [10:44] which makes sense, Android Studio is based as well on intellij [10:44] the thing is that there is no free version of webstorm, and installing the plugin on raw intellij doesn't give you the nice html/css completion [10:44] so on that one, to get a nice env, I'm on the "wait and see" phase :) [10:45] didrocks: Speaking of which - I noticed Webstorm is supposed to be on ubuntu-make as well - isn't Webstorm a 30-day trial? [10:45] Or does ubuntu-make package the full version, and have you give it the license? [10:46] yaraju: no magic, only downloading the 30 day trial, and then, you can give it the license key if you have any [10:47] didrocks: Ok, makes sense. I don't yet have an IntelliJ or Webstorm license, though considering it. IDEA already has me very pampered. [10:47] yeah, IDEA is nice, for python, I'm using Pycharm, which is based on it [10:48] and Android Studio is just… an awesome env :) [10:48] for web, I'm using atom.io, I would like to integrate it with Ubuntu Make at some point [10:48] I use Python every single time I have to do anything Python. For web, I've been sticking to Aptana for now... since Webstorm is - 30-day [10:48] or, as of now - Chrome Dev Editor. [10:49] And yes, can't agree more about Android Studio - for both Android frontend as well as backend. :) [10:49] (if using GAE, etc.) [10:49] exactly :) [10:49] Chrome Dev Editor, never sticked to it more than a couple of hours (finding the html/css/javascript completion not good enough for my newbie skills) [10:50] didrocks: That's a point. it's terrible with suggestions - but just really good if I'm doing fast iterations with polymer or chrome extensions. [10:50] And "good enough" git integration for a small team [10:51] yeah, I don't use those git integration, that's still something I do by hand, but I can understand why people wants to get that in their IDE. +1 on Chrome Dev integration with polymer [10:51] let's see who would get a good polymer 0.9 (or probably 1.0 at Google IO) integration first though ;) [10:52] :) Yes, indeed. [10:52] *fingers crossed* [10:52] i want Polymer to grow fast and well - it's a life-saver for a mainly backend guy [10:53] I wouldn't have even consider diving in frontend world before I saw (first angular) and now polymer, so I know what you exactly mean! :) [10:53] * didrocks still needs to update one component to 0.9 though, I skipped 0.8 [10:54] :) I've just stuck to Polymer 0.5 for now - as it's what's mostly documented on the main site.... [10:54] are there drastic changes? [10:54] yeah, quite a lot… API breakage, but a good migration guide [10:54] the whole target is to get it fast, even on non chrome browser [10:54] Aah ok. [10:55] and all components have been renamed to mark this change [10:55] like core- are now iron- [10:56] Aah I see. [10:58] Decided to just download Android Studio now... and try to gather the guts to upgrade to 14.0.4 soon.. :) [10:59] heh, keep us posted! 14.0.4 is a really nice LTS, worthes it! (once you get some time) [10:59] Hmm. But Ubuntu 12.0.4 is so good too - except for the occasional Compiz crash. Lol! [11:00] LTS rocks ;) [11:01] only two years left to migrate ;-) [11:01] "Jenkins Fixed" - the best kind of email [11:01] Laney: I feel it's a bonus point when you did nothing for it :p [11:02] haha [11:04] didrocks: Agreed about LTS. :) [11:04] Laney: 2 years to migrate always feels like a lot... until it becomes 2 weeks [11:05] Still, much better than most other OSs - which force-migrate you before they even feel ready for the next version. :P [11:07] (migrating my home dir, so keeping that account meanwhile) [11:19] hey desktopers [11:20] Laney, hi, did you notice GFileMonitor isn't working anymore with 2.45.1? [11:21] ricotz: no, can't confirm that it's completely not working but I did file some bugs about trash handling that look like glocalfile bugs [11:21] please file upstream [11:21] Laney, ok, i can confirm is not working at all [11:22] desrt, hi, so the rewrite broke it somehow ;) [11:23] desrt, Laney, for confirmation https://paste.debian.net/plain/179504 [11:33] ricotz: works for me, sorry [11:34] Laney, hmm, works with 2.44.x, but not with git master (2.45.1+) [11:34] yes that's the pattern, I believe there's a bug but it's not totally broken [11:35] ricotz: try https://paste.debian.net/download/179521 which is a modified version of my example for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749317 [11:35] Gnome bug 749317 in gio "Sometimes events are missed when monitoring trash://" [Normal,New] [11:36] that also WFM but the trash:// case doesn't [11:38] ok, let me check, for me all events are missing, your examples just logs CREATED/DELETED [11:38] yes [11:39] if all are missing and you see one then you haven't reproduced the bug :) === benedikt_ is now known as Guest64809 [11:42] Laney, ok, so it looks like directory-monitoring works, but not file-monitoring [11:42] Laney, your test "works" which is a directory-monitor [11:43] also wfm with a file monitor [11:43] anyway, perhaps post your findings in the bug [11:43] probably depends on some weird details that I don't know about :) [11:44] i assume you are running the stock wily kernel? [11:44] 4.0.3 mainline ppa build here [11:44] ya [11:45] and /tmp is on a ssd here [11:45] same [11:46] try the archive's kernel then [11:55] Laney, tested it on another machine and it seems unrelated to the kernel [11:56] although the result in another on that machine, your test works, and mine received 3 events and stuck [11:57] * Laney is probably out of usefulness, your friendly local glib maintainer should be with you shortly [11:57] your call is important to us [11:57] * Laney plays some classical music === alex-abreu is now known as alex-abreu|off [13:13] flexiondotorg, didrocks: no, packaging-dailies is for the obsolete daily builds ppa [13:13] flexiondotorg, didrocks: for changes to ubuntu packaging make changes in lp:ubuntu/software-center [13:13] dobey, Thanks. [13:13] although, i think pkg import is broken on it, so you need to use the apt-get source for it [13:14] (or pull-lp-source rather) [13:14] dobey, Understood. === vrruiz is now known as rvr === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [15:56] larsu: hey [15:57] larsu: do you happen to know why the gtk menus have an edge that takes input now? [16:32] Trevinho: they do? [16:32] how can I see that? [16:33] larsu: yes... vivid (unity at least), right click on the desktop and try to click on the edge of the menu (few pixels around the menu area): it won't close [16:34] Trevinho: it does for me on W [16:34] larsu: has W a different gtk version than V? [16:34] * Trevinho lazy [16:34] Trevinho: nope, but I do apparently :D [16:34] * larsu is on 3.16 from Laney's ppa [16:35] well that might be enough to get the fix done :) [16:35] right [16:35] larsu: not sure wether ambiance matters also (I think it could) [16:35] Trevinho: which theme are you using? [16:35] * Trevinho adds missing 'h' [16:36] larsu: stock ambiance [16:36] ya, me too [16:37] I went through the changes to gtkmenu but I didn't see anything related, but I guess it's something at lower leve [16:37] l [16:37] might be, not sure. Never saw this issue myself tbh [16:38] me neither... AP noticed it.. [16:38] as it wasn't able to close menus in unity... [16:38] is that sideeffect from the border rendering done in the theme? [16:42] seb128: I think so... but in general that part should use XShape to not get input [17:00] bye! [17:02] good evening Laney [17:51] hey all [17:51] anyone know why desktop next doesn't work in virtualbox? [17:51] lighted won't log me in [17:51] lightdm [18:17] jono, you probably don't have working 3d support there? [18:17] mir doesn't work on software rendering [18:32] kenvandine, did we have the hotspot code loading the updates plugin before? or are we going to do that only to get the model? [18:33] it's new [18:33] we do it in the about plugin already [18:33] seemed like the easiest way to do it [18:33] once we work out the mako issue, we won't need this [18:34] if you try to enable it on mako, it will drive the load so high the device reboots [18:34] wpasupplicant spinning [18:39] kenvandine, shrug, there must be a better hack [18:39] kenvandine, like getting the info from qtsystems or something? [18:39] i don't think we can [18:39] kenvandine, the updates plugin is not cheap to init [18:39] it's much cheaper now that it used to be [18:39] read /etc/lsbsomething? ;-) [18:39] s/that/than [18:40] and it doesn't do a check or anything when it's loaded [18:40] it's handy because it's exposed from system-image-dbus [18:40] we really can't blacklist per device this way long term, so this code shouldn't live for long [18:41] it just doesn't scale for multiple devices [18:41] i'm just tired of not getting hotspot support landed because of mako... we need people to start using it :) [18:43] kenvandine, right, I just don't like much the workaround [18:43] there must be a better way than loading another panel backend just for that [18:45] kenvandine, the about panel uses "deviceInfos.model()" which is from qtsystem [18:46] hum, no, in fact on the phone it uses the backend which calls property_get [18:46] well, I guess it's about the same [18:46] kenvandine, I still hate that solution :p [18:47] kenvandine, make sure to add a comment next to the import saying it can go away once we don't need the workaround ;-) [18:47] ok, will do [18:47] thanks [18:48] i'm not a big fan either... but tired of hotspot support not landing :/ [18:48] Laney, saw you uploaded remmina ... there is a patch to avoid a segfault on !x11 in the sponsoring queue, maybe you want to review it/include in ubuntu/debian [18:48] kenvandine, why do we block features to land on buggy/unsupported devices? [18:50] seb128, because as soon as someone tries to use it on mako... it'll be real bad :) [18:50] seb128, it's not the only thing been holding it up [18:50] but it's about the last thing [18:50] k [18:50] and there is nothing we can check to figure out that support is working or not? [18:51] and we think awe will be fixing that bug, but it isn't near the top of his list yet :/ [18:51] no, because as best we can tell it should work [18:51] but if you enable it, wpasupplicant goes nuts [18:52] k === vrruiz is now known as rvr [19:34] seb128: Hey, so org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences action-middle-click-titlebar has been changed from lower to none in gsettings-desktop-schemas. What is your opinion of distro patching this back to lower? It currently breaking a couple of Unity AP tests and just trying to figure out the best course of action. [19:44] ChrisTownsend, we should add that to the ubuntu-settings override with the old value [19:45] seb128: Ah, right, I forgot about that package. [19:46] seb128: I'll work on a MP for it. I suppose a 15.04 SRU would be in order too. [19:47] ChrisTownsend, k, I can sponsor the change for you [19:47] seb128: Cool, thanks. I'll ping you later when it's all ready. [19:48] likely tomorrow for me, but sure [19:49] seb128: Yeah, that's good for me too:) [19:59] seb128, ahhh gotcha === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD