| pitti | Good morning | 04:17 |
|---|---|---|
| didrocks | good morning | 05:59 |
| yaraju | didrocks: good morning | 06:03 |
| didrocks | hey yaraju | 06:04 |
| yaraju | my doubts have gone over to the dev spheres now. I'm happily using the new Android Studio downloaded directly and have settled back into complacence wrt 12.0.4 :P | 06:05 |
| didrocks | nice! | 06:06 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 06:50 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 06:54 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks ;-) | 06:56 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks et seb128, comment allez-vous ? | 07:01 |
| pitti | wow, I've ignored IRC for 1.5 hours, deep hacking mode :) | 07:01 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, good, yourself? | 07:01 |
| pitti | didrocks: quite fine, thanks! | 07:01 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, wie gehts? what are you hacking on? | 07:03 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks! | 07:03 |
| seb128 | though weather is on autumn mode here :-/ | 07:04 |
| seb128 | rainy, windy and cold | 07:04 |
| pitti | seb128: guess what -- fixing systemd bugs, something totally new :) | 07:07 |
| seb128 | hehe | 07:07 |
| pitti | yeah, it was really nice until yesterday, but going to be gray and dull | 07:07 |
| pitti | need to get out running today before it starts raining | 07:08 |
| seb128 | do you train daily? ;-) | 07:08 |
| pitti | seb128: no, two or three times a week, plus Basketball on Wednesdays | 07:13 |
| willcooke | morning all | 07:18 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 07:18 |
| seb128 | had a good w.e? | 07:18 |
| willcooke | Yes thanks! | 07:18 |
| willcooke | and yesterday was my wife's birthday, so we went to the shops (yay :( ) | 07:19 |
| seb128 | glad to be back at work today then? ;-) | 07:19 |
| willcooke | We've got less than a month to go until the babies arrive, so she's pretty big and has to walk very slowly | 07:19 |
| willcooke | oh yeah, good to be back :) | 07:20 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 07:21 |
| willcooke | morning didrocks | 07:22 |
| Laney | yo | 08:03 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:11 |
| Laney | hey seb128, doing good thanks | 08:19 |
| * Laney is reassembling his desk | 08:19 | |
| Laney | you? | 08:19 |
| seb128 | I'm good as well, thanks | 08:19 |
| Laney | I have to look at a crappy wall now | 08:20 |
| Laney | new window ruined the paint work | 08:20 |
| Laney | distressing | 08:20 |
| didrocks | you would have used good old waterfall charts for planning your work, you would have done it the right order around :) | 08:25 |
| Laney | it's not *our* paint work :P | 08:26 |
| Laney | but I wouldn't have chosen to re paint it if it was up to me | 08:26 |
| didrocks | oh? | 08:26 |
| Laney | well the room was already done | 08:27 |
| Laney | but they had to damage it to replace the window | 08:27 |
| didrocks | ok, well… I guess you won another week-end of painting them (at least, to your prefered color) | 08:27 |
| Laney | yeah don't want to have to do the other three walls so I will try to get the same one :P | 08:28 |
| seb128 | sorry to ruin it for you, but that's never totally works | 08:28 |
| didrocks | yeah, clearly not | 08:29 |
| didrocks | but all walls don't need to be the same color | 08:29 |
| didrocks | (but it's better in this case to go with something completely different than slightly) | 08:29 |
| seb128 | right | 08:29 |
| Laney | if I do the whole wall in a close enough colour it will be fine | 08:29 |
| Laney | adjacent walls look different anyway because of lighting | 08:29 |
| seb128 | Laney has faith ;-) | 08:30 |
| Laney | done this before | 08:30 |
| Laney | the shop does paint matching if you take a sample | 08:30 |
| didrocks | seb128: seems he has more than us ;) | 08:30 |
| seb128 | or he's less picky with the results | 08:30 |
| didrocks | can be | 08:30 |
| seb128 | but if he works for him, good :-) | 08:31 |
| didrocks | indeed | 08:31 |
| didrocks | (I like this "talking as if Laney wasn't around") ; | 08:31 |
| didrocks | ;) | 08:31 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 08:31 |
| didrocks | oh Laney, you here! | 08:31 |
| didrocks | :) | 08:31 |
| Laney | there's shade at the corner | 08:31 |
| Laney | so you cannot actually see if the colours are identical | 08:31 |
| Laney | which is enough to trick your eyes | 08:32 |
| seb128 | right, but in practice you have a junction line | 08:32 |
| Laney | that's the point, this point is exactly where the light changes anyway | 08:32 |
| seb128 | and you can usually see it if one is older, color change with time/sun/dirt/... | 08:32 |
| Laney | it already looks darker on the side which is in shade | 08:33 |
| Laney | even though they are in the same paint now | 08:33 |
| seb128 | alright! | 08:33 |
| Laney | FAITH! | 08:33 |
| seb128 | I trust you are doing the right thing :-) | 08:33 |
| Laney | four walls all totally different would be awesome though | 08:35 |
| * larsu notices that unity doesn't allow accessing the global menu for fullscreen apps | 08:36 | |
| larsu | which, for most apps, means that you have to unfullscreen to do something useful | 08:36 |
| larsu | except for totem, which shows the gear menu in that case | 08:36 |
| larsu | (which is making problems now) | 08:36 |
| larsu | oh actually you can access the menu with the mnemonic accels and you get free floating menus | 08:37 |
| Laney | you working on that menu bug? | 08:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, desrt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1449389 might be something for you | 08:49 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1449389 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Python Exception <class 'TypeError'> iter() returned non-iterator of type '_iterator'" [Undecided,New] | 08:49 |
| seb128 | there is a patch on the upstream bug mentioned there | 08:50 |
| larsu | Laney: yes. Not sure if I can just remove the fullscreen gear menu | 08:54 |
| larsu | would be way more complicated (and harder to upstream) otherwise | 08:55 |
| larsu | because I'd need to fill in the dynamic menus in two places now | 08:55 |
| Laney | is that hard? | 09:07 |
| larsu | not really | 09:12 |
| larsu | but might be harder to justify upstream because it makes code more complex | 09:13 |
| larsu | which is why I was wondering - none of the other apps do this, only totem | 09:13 |
| larsu | (eog, evince, gedit) | 09:14 |
| Laney | I'd prefer to keep it and see if you get pushback later | 09:17 |
| larsu | pushback for having an extra button? I don't think so... | 09:19 |
| larsu | but yeah, I think I'm leaning towards that as well | 09:19 |
| Laney | on the complexity | 09:19 |
| Laney | from upstream, I m ean | 09:19 |
| larsu | ah, right | 09:19 |
| Laney | seb128: noted, hopefully it'll get reviewed and we get it via upstream ;-) | 09:20 |
| * Laney looks around | 09:20 | |
| pitti | any idea about the chromium-browser regression? should I ignore this to let glib2.0 through? | 09:49 |
| pitti | Laney: ^ | 09:49 |
| Laney | pitti: I pinged qengho multiple times but didn't get any traction yet | 09:49 |
| pitti | it's apparently a regression of chromium-browser in -proposed, not due to glib2.0 | 09:49 |
| Laney | it happens with the new version so could be real, so I've held off skipping it entirely | 09:49 |
| Laney | we could skip the triggering packages but then you end up chasing it | 09:49 |
| pitti | Laney: oh, you mean old chromium-browser plus new glib fails, too? | 09:49 |
| Laney | no | 09:50 |
| Laney | I mean that I don't want to do force-badtest on it | 09:50 |
| Laney | I could do force-skiptest glib, cairo, ... but then you have to keep watching for more instances | 09:50 |
| pitti | right, I'd just override it once | 09:50 |
| pitti | i. e. edit results.history | 09:50 |
| Laney | so I'd really prefer that Chad would just look at it :/ | 09:51 |
| Laney | s/look at/resolve/ - he has actually looked AFAIK | 09:51 |
| Laney | pitti: nothing backing up behind glib that I'm aware of ATM - I'll raise this in the team meeting later & see if it can be worked on as a priority, otherwise let's skip it | 09:57 |
| Laney | you should get on the release team so you don't have to hack this file :) | 09:57 |
| pitti | Laney: well, I actually do want to decide this on a case by case basis, not generally ignore actual regressions | 09:58 |
| pitti | I just wave through packages which are a victim of unrelated regressions in -proposed | 09:58 |
| pitti | like gcc-5 now | 09:58 |
| pitti | ah, I think that's force-skiptest, right? | 09:59 |
| Laney | indeed | 09:59 |
| Laney | we don't have the facility to ignore one test for one package | 09:59 |
| Laney | which you do by editing the file? | 09:59 |
| Laney | (that would probably be good - might try to work on that) | 10:00 |
| pitti | right (also, I can't commit to the overrides bzr) | 10:00 |
| Laney | nod, that bit could be fixed ;) | 10:02 |
| flexiondotorg | Should themes include icon-theme.cache? | 10:44 |
| flexiondotorg | Or rather, should .deb packages that install a theme include icon-theme.cache? | 10:44 |
| Laney | dh_icons will generate a postinst that calls gtk-update-icon-cache when the package is installed | 10:49 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney, So that is a no then? icon-theme.cache should not be included in packages? | 10:56 |
| Laney | indeed | 10:56 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney, thanks. | 11:02 |
| willcooke | Seems like summer is over already then. | 11:24 |
| willcooke | Its now snowing. | 11:24 |
| didrocks | snowing? I don't believe you | 11:27 |
| didrocks | cloudy here, but that not bad and still hot | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | cherry blossoms :P | 11:28 |
| didrocks | yeah, that kind of snow, I accept | 11:28 |
| didrocks | ogra_: because of you, I want to go back to Japan now! | 11:28 |
| willcooke | nope | 11:28 |
| ogra_ | ! | 11:28 |
| popey | Sunny here in the tropical south. | 11:28 |
| willcooke | it's stopped now, to be replaced by hail | 11:28 |
| didrocks | :/ | 11:28 |
| ogra_ | just keep it there then, we dont want it in the rest of europe | 11:29 |
| didrocks | 18°C here, no room for snow! | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | yeah, same here | 11:29 |
| didrocks | ogra_: s/the rest of // | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | and sunny | 11:29 |
| popey | /join #ubuntu-weather-chat | 11:29 |
| didrocks | </politics> | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | haha | 11:29 |
| === alan_g|EOD is now known as alan_g | ||
| larsu | Laney: still got gtk 3.16 in a ppa somewhere? | 12:15 |
| Laney | ww? | 12:15 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, ChrisTownsend ^^ | 12:15 |
| ChrisTownsend | willcooke: Thanks | 12:16 |
| willcooke | Laney, any ideas when 3.16 will hit the archive? | 12:16 |
| larsu | Laney: right that was it. thanks! | 12:16 |
| larsu | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ww | 12:16 |
| Laney | hoping for the worst theme issues to be fixed first | 12:17 |
| willcooke | ack | 12:17 |
| Laney | it's usable from there for now though | 12:18 |
| ChrisTownsend | larsu: Laney: I'll try that out and see if it fixes the menu click issue issue Trevinho was mentioning yesterday. | 12:18 |
| ChrisTownsend | Thanks Guys! | 12:18 |
| larsu | ChrisTownsend: I'm running 3.16 and can't reproduce that bug. good luck! | 12:19 |
| ChrisTownsend | larsu: Yeah, I hope I can't either:) | 12:19 |
| === alex-abreu|off is now known as alex-abreu | ||
| marga | Hey all, is there any way I could find the dbgsym package for a superseded version of a package? | 13:07 |
| seb128 | marga, hey, you can try to see if it's still on ddeb.ubuntu.com | 13:08 |
| seb128 | but it's not likely | 13:08 |
| marga | Yeah, I already tried that, it's gone | 13:08 |
| marga | And archive.org doesn't index that | 13:08 |
| Laney | you can rebuild it with pkgbinarymangler installed | 13:08 |
| marga | Ah, I don't know about that one | 13:09 |
| Laney | it diverts dh_builddeb (or something) to do various magic | 13:09 |
| Laney | including making ddebs | 13:09 |
| marga | Alright, I'll have a look, tnx! | 13:10 |
| Laney | np! | 13:10 |
| marga | So, pkgbinarymangler has no docs. I built the package with it installed and got normal debs with all the normal stuff in them, binaries are even stripped :( | 13:44 |
| marga | I guess I needed to do something special, I just don't find what | 13:45 |
| seb128 | marga, you should have .ddeb next to the deb in the builddir | 13:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, do you have a SIM in your bq? | 13:46 |
| marga | Right, but I don't. As I said, I guess I did something wrong, I just can't figure out what as there are no docs. I built with: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot... | 13:47 |
| marga | I guess I'll try fakeroot debian/rules binary | 13:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: not yet, why? | 13:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, wondering if you could test bug #1453285 | 13:47 |
| ubot5 | bug 1453285 in telephony-service (Ubuntu) "Emergency numbers for France (15, 17 and 18) are not available in emergency mode" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453285 | 13:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, are those dialable from android when locked? | 13:48 |
| didrocks | Mirv: do you know why I can't "import Ubuntu.Components 1.1" on 15.04? (it's the 15.04 template) | 13:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what error do you get with the import? | 13:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: just tried, can't to any | 13:49 |
| didrocks | "xx n'est pas un numéro d'urgence" | 13:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 13:49 |
| seb128 | so likely an issue with the SIM/providers not with the phone | 13:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: it couldn't find the QML module, I just apt-get install ubuntu-sdk | 13:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm with SFR, it's weird… | 13:50 |
| didrocks | it's not a third party-small-one | 13:50 |
| seb128 | right, dunno how are emergency numbers being defined... | 13:50 |
| didrocks | 911 pass | 13:51 |
| didrocks | so I guess hardcoded in the OS? | 13:51 |
| seb128 | not sure, it seems to come from the SIM | 13:51 |
| seb128 | the list-modem ofono script lists numbers | 13:51 |
| didrocks | interesting that they don't refresh them for France… sounds not policy-compliant | 13:51 |
| Mirv | didrocks: better maybe ask zsombi / t1mp / kalikiana (all on #ubuntu-app-devel), I know they've worked with 1.1/1.2/1.3 story lately | 13:52 |
| seb128 | indeed not... | 13:52 |
| didrocks | Mirv: ok, doing | 13:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, is qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-settings-components installed? | 13:52 |
| seb128 | ignore that | 13:52 |
| * didrocks sees *settings* | 13:52 | |
| didrocks | I guess qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin | 13:53 |
| marga | fakeroot debian/rules binary also didn't work... I guess I'll go read the code and try to figure out how to use this. | 13:55 |
| === vrruiz is now known as rvr | ||
| Trevinho | seb128: hey! A question: unity-settings-daemon is used only by unity, right? No other flavor? | 14:01 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey, it's used in the installer and on the greeter as well | 14:02 |
| seb128 | so can't rely on unity to run | 14:02 |
| seb128 | if that's the question | 14:02 |
| Trevinho | seb128: mh, ok... | 14:02 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, sorry ;-) | 14:03 |
| ChrisTownsend | Laney: Hey, the ww PPA needs some packages copied to the Wily series. | 14:28 |
| ChrisTownsend | Like atk1.0. | 14:29 |
| Laney | ChrisTownsend: That's in wily-proposed, take it from there | 14:30 |
| ChrisTownsend | Laney: Oh, ok, thanks | 14:30 |
| Laney | Will try to get this unstuck later | 14:30 |
| ChrisTownsend | Laney: Sure, just trying to see if a bug is fixed. | 14:31 |
| rvr | Is the support of 10.04 already over? | 14:33 |
| marga | I figured out that I also needed to have pkg-create-dbgsym, and then I needed to rerun debian/rules binary. Now I finally have my ddebs :) | 14:38 |
| marga | Thanks | 14:38 |
| seb128 | marga, oh, right, sorry I meant to check when you said it didn't work and got sidetracked | 14:38 |
| seb128 | yeah, you need that package to make the ddebs ;-) | 14:39 |
| ChrisTownsend | larsu_: FYI, the newest Gtk from the PPA does not reproduce the issue. | 14:42 |
| Trevinho | seb128: ok... However those are not sessions, right? I mean, you know what was the reason for this upstart conf? (start on started dbus and starting gnome-session INSTANCE!=GNOME) | 14:52 |
| Trevinho | and not INSTANCE==ubuntu ? | 14:52 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I think some derivative/variant wanted to use u-s-d, I'm unsure if they do know | 14:52 |
| Laney | yes | 14:52 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, what are you trying to do? | 14:52 |
| Laney | flashback does for example | 14:53 |
| seb128 | know->now | 14:53 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I'm looking at it for two reasons... One is problem solved (MP soon). but also I wanted to move unity7 to properly run on upstart session as gnome-session is not reliable when it comes to respawning it... | 14:54 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I though that was already the case? | 14:54 |
| Trevinho | and, so... I was looking around at the conf's, and I noticed this.. So I was wondering what was the reason | 14:54 |
| Trevinho | seb128: it was, but a merge with upstream reverted it | 14:54 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/3.14.0-2ubuntu5 | 14:54 |
| Trevinho | I think Laney then fixed it again | 14:54 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, ? | 14:54 |
| seb128 | right | 14:55 |
| seb128 | so it's fixed? | 14:55 |
| Trevinho | seb128: it is but I need to optimize stuff.. .And make sure that unity starts after ngome-sessions and that it takes its env | 14:55 |
| Trevinho | seb128: so, I think we need also to make gnome-session to talk to upstart to set the environment variables (this might also avoid us to ship custom stuff like it happens for the gnome-keyring) | 14:56 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, can't you setenv from the job? | 14:57 |
| Trevinho | well, some apps might even call gnome-session set'env and this won't then affect the upstart jobs... I was just looking... As there are some env variables missing otherwise | 14:58 |
| Laney | what do you see missing? | 14:59 |
| Trevinho | Laney: mh, I've not written them down (I've done this tests few days ago), but I'll check again.,.. | 15:00 |
| Laney | diff <(strings /proc/$(pidof gnome-session)/environ | sort) <(strings /proc/$$/environ | sort) | 15:00 |
| * Laney 's head breaks | 15:00 | |
| Laney | make that diff -u ;-) | 15:00 |
| Trevinho | indeed | 15:01 |
| Trevinho | Laney: ah, now I recall... | 15:02 |
| Trevinho | Laney: there are two calls in gnome-session to set_env... | 15:02 |
| Trevinho | one for SESSION | 15:02 |
| Trevinho | the other for XDG_MENU_PREFIX | 15:02 |
| Trevinho | Laney: so... Indeed we could export them by hand | 15:02 |
| Trevinho | but... | 15:02 |
| Trevinho | since gnome-session has already a wrapper for exporting env variables (that might be called also through autostart .desktop files), I'd prefer to do things once and with a simple dbus call | 15:03 |
| === larsu_ is now known as larsu | ||
| Laney | What you could do is make it call the upstart thingy to set the variable | 15:05 |
| Trevinho | Laney: yep that's I what to do | 15:05 |
| Laney | and serialise the session startup so that gnome-session starts before compiz | 15:05 |
| Trevinho | yes, I've done that | 15:06 |
| Laney | that'll only work properly during initialisation, but this is documented anyway | 15:06 |
| Laney | for their Setenv method | 15:06 |
| Laney | ah it even fails later on | 15:07 |
| Trevinho | seb128: when you've a moment, can you check https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity-settings-daemon/automount-monitor-lockscreen/+merge/259514 ? | 15:21 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, sure can, thanks for working on that | 15:22 |
| Trevinho | mdeslaur: also... This should be trivial to backport ^ | 15:22 |
| mdeslaur | Trevinho: awesome, thanks! I'll take a look this week | 15:22 |
| Trevinho | mdeslaur: I've not checked /properly/, but the patch should apply cleanly to trusty as well | 15:23 |
| Laney | I thought you emulated the gnome-screensaver interface? | 15:23 |
| Trevinho | Laney: we do... But in unity the creen can be locked before of having a screensaver | 15:24 |
| Trevinho | Laney: and since that unity-settings-daemon depends on the Activated signal for turning off the screen as well, we can't just do the same | 15:24 |
| Trevinho | (activated from g-s) | 15:24 |
| Trevinho | i.e. screen is locked.... then after some time the screen is blanked. At that point we send the ScreenSaver.Activated signal... | 15:25 |
| Trevinho | but there's a delay... | 15:26 |
| Laney | oh, I just assumed that it was activated straight away | 15:26 |
| Trevinho | and the same when waking up | 15:26 |
| Laney | you want to always show the lockscreen for a bit or something? | 15:26 |
| Trevinho | Laney: yes, as music might be playing and stuff like that | 15:26 |
| Trevinho | Laney: in any case we don't want the screen off when user comes back and moves something | 15:27 |
| Trevinho | and that's controlled by the very same signal | 15:27 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, while you are looking at lockscreen, maybe you want to have a go at https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1405349 as well? ;-) | 15:27 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1405349 in unity (Ubuntu) "switching to activated guest session causes screen blank" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:27 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, having unity not blanking the screen if it can't lock | 15:27 |
| seb128 | the issue is that indicator-session tries to lock the session between switching away | 15:28 |
| Trevinho | mhmh... I'm not sure we don't want to blank if you disable the lockscreen | 15:28 |
| seb128 | locking is disabled but unity blank the screne in that case | 15:28 |
| Trevinho | that should happen only if you disable the screensaver | 15:28 |
| seb128 | right | 15:28 |
| seb128 | which is the case in guest sessions | 15:28 |
| Trevinho | we're more flexible than gnome I think... | 15:28 |
| seb128 | well, it's an oem flagged issue | 15:28 |
| seb128 | could be | 15:28 |
| seb128 | but it's confusing, you switch back to the guest | 15:29 |
| Trevinho | seb128: well, so guest sessions can just set the delay to infinite? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | and you have a blank screen | 15:29 |
| seb128 | it looks like the session close and you were on a vt or something | 15:29 |
| Trevinho | or disable the screen blanking at all? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | they could | 15:29 |
| seb128 | but shouldn't unity stay away from doing anything if lockscreen is locked down? | 15:29 |
| willcooke | Hrm. Meeting time already | 15:30 |
| Trevinho | locked down doesn't mean you don't want your screen to blank (ok, it's not CRT times anymore, but still...) | 15:30 |
| willcooke | seb128, Trevinho you guys want to continue your discussion now and we can wait to start the meeting, or are you ok? | 15:31 |
| willcooke | ok to start the meeting that is | 15:31 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: no problem, we can continue later | 15:31 |
| willcooke | oki, thx Trevinho | 15:31 |
| seb128 | willcooke, we moved to another channel it's ok | 15:31 |
| willcooke | in which case... | 15:31 |
| willcooke | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 | 15:32 |
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| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: | ||
| willcooke | Roll call: attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, tkamppeter, themuso (out), robert_ancell (out) | 15:32 |
| larsu | \o | 15:32 |
| * Sweet5hark sneaks in | 15:32 | |
| seb128 | hey | 15:32 |
| dgadomski | o/ | 15:32 |
| Laney | ahoy | 15:33 |
| didrocks | hey | 15:33 |
| willcooke | attente and desrt might be en route to the Mir sprint so may not be here | 15:33 |
| willcooke | let's start with dgadomski and we can loop back round | 15:34 |
| willcooke | #topic dgadomski | 15:34 |
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| dgadomski | hey, unfortunately nothing related to desktop was taking place last week | 15:34 |
| willcooke | nice and easy :) | 15:34 |
| dgadomski | :) | 15:34 |
| willcooke | thx dgadomski | 15:34 |
| dgadomski | thanks | 15:34 |
| willcooke | #topic didrocks | 15:34 |
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| didrocks | * Ubuntu Make: | 15:35 |
| didrocks | - bug triaging and pull request review | 15:35 |
| didrocks | * Ubuntu SDK: | 15:35 |
| didrocks | - Finish watching UOS sdk-touch related sessions | 15:35 |
| didrocks | - Mostly reading SDK-related documentation and guides for developers and presentation, still some to read (mostly API related) | 15:35 |
| didrocks | - Continued to draw the developer position, looking for equipment and example application to use to cover various topics. | 15:35 |
| didrocks | - troubles with the /home on ecryptfs issue with the SDK, (multiple mounting leaving the machine in a useless state). Had to move everything to a clean home. | 15:35 |
| didrocks | Short week (4 days, Thursday was off) | 15:35 |
| didrocks | . | 15:35 |
| willcooke | thx didrocks | 15:36 |
| willcooke | #topic FJKong | 15:36 |
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| willcooke | FJKong, please let me have your update via email | 15:37 |
| willcooke | #topic happyaron | 15:37 |
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| willcooke | Probably also asleep | 15:38 |
| willcooke | happyaron, please let me have your update via email | 15:39 |
| willcooke | #topic Laney | 15:39 |
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| Laney | can you skip me until the end please? | 15:39 |
| Laney | (sorry) | 15:39 |
| willcooke | sure | 15:39 |
| willcooke | #topic larsu | 15:39 |
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| larsu | hey, very short week due to holiday and day off | 15:40 |
| seb128 | the previous meeting was too good to stay that way :-) | 15:40 |
| larsu | continued on totem, turned out more work than I thought | 15:40 |
| larsu | also looked into the timezone panel a bit more | 15:40 |
| larsu | (also signed a lease on a new apartment) | 15:40 |
| Laney | ok, I can go next | 15:40 |
| larsu | and usual discussion etc. </larsu> | 15:41 |
| willcooke | larsu, congrats on the apartment | 15:41 |
| willcooke | #topic Laney | 15:41 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: Laney | ||
| Laney | • This week I mainly did merges (https://launchpad.net/~laney/+uploaded-packages) | 15:41 |
| Laney | • SRUed glib | 15:41 |
| Laney | • Investigated some glib filemonitor issues and filed bugs upstream, waiting for reply still | 15:41 |
| Laney | • Packaged gtk+2.0 new release for w (will look at T SRU soon), gtk+3.0 3.16.3 for ww PPA | 15:41 |
| Laney | • Test a systemd patch for mount handling from p_itti | 15:41 |
| Laney | • Smooth some autopkgtests to get things moving to release, file some Debian bugs about these where appropriate | 15:41 |
| Laney | • Help with x264 transition, get that migrated | 15:41 |
| Laney | • Some system-settings/phone discussions | 15:41 |
| Laney | ☂ | 15:41 |
| willcooke | thx Laney | 15:41 |
| willcooke | #topic qengho | 15:41 |
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| Laney | was mostly displaced to the dining room which was unpleasant | 15:42 |
| seb128 | oh, +uploaded-packages, didn't know about that | 15:42 |
| * Laney needs the full workstation experience | 15:42 | |
| Laney | yeah doesn't contain syncs though (https://launchpad.net/~laney/+synchronised-packages) | 15:42 |
| seb128 | nor sponsored uploads it seems :-/ | 15:43 |
| qengho | - Fixed chromium-browser FTBFS for armhf. | 15:43 |
| qengho | - Tracked chromium autopkgtest failure back to a wily-sepcific transitional java lib package that the sikuli exec-wrapper classpath doesn't account for. Much drinking here. debbugs #785720 LP #1456675. May need debian upload sponsorship. | 15:43 |
| qengho | EOF | 15:43 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1456675 in sikuli (Ubuntu) "sikuli fails with NoClassDefFoundError: com/kenai/constantine/Constant" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1456675 | 15:43 |
| willcooke | thx qengho | 15:43 |
| willcooke | #topic seb128 | 15:43 |
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| seb128 | • 3 days week (thursday was a national holiday, took friday off as well) | 15:43 |
| seb128 | • lot of bugs triaging (desktop/vivid & phone/touch) | 15:43 |
| seb128 | • patch pilot shift | 15:43 |
| seb128 | • quite some emails backlog after the 4 days off work | 15:43 |
| seb128 | • joined several discussions about desktop&convergence topics (timezone selection issues on desktop, content-hub on desktop, settings design issues, ...), that kept me busy for a part of the week | 15:43 |
| seb128 | </week> | 15:43 |
| willcooke | thx seb128 | 15:43 |
| willcooke | #topic Sweet5hark | 15:43 |
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| Sweet5hark | - one day sick leave, one day holiday, one day paid off | 15:44 |
| Sweet5hark | - travel prepare for LibreOffice Hackfest in Cambridge, UK this week | 15:44 |
| Sweet5hark | - pushed the assumed crash-on-exit bug to PPA | 15:44 |
| Sweet5hark | - fixed "mail merge with base" bug upstream | 15:44 |
| Sweet5hark | -- backported to vivid | 15:44 |
| Sweet5hark | -- currently build for PPA, should be SRU together with the other stuff after some PPA test time on Monday(?) | 15:44 |
| Sweet5hark | EOF | 15:44 |
| willcooke | thx Sweet5hark | 15:44 |
| willcooke | feeling better now Sweet5hark ? | 15:44 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: yes, but still on antibiotics. so it may be a lie | 15:44 |
| willcooke | :( | 15:44 |
| willcooke | hope you are on the mend | 15:44 |
| willcooke | #topic tkamppeter_ | 15:45 |
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| tkamppeter | - Set up Wily (.DEB edition) on a virtual machine. | 15:45 |
| tkamppeter | - MIR to get Debian's ippusbxd package into Main. | 15:45 |
| tkamppeter | - More tests concerning ippusbxd, found a bug preventing automatic print queue setup for all USB printers, reported bug for SRU | 15:45 |
| tkamppeter | - cups-filters: Investigations on auto-generated PPD-less print queues for IPP network printers how they can also made to accept JPG | 15:45 |
| tkamppeter | - Bugs | 15:45 |
| willcooke | thx tkamppeter | 15:45 |
| willcooke | #topic TheMuso | 15:45 |
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| willcooke | * Updated at-spi in wily, orca will soon follow. | 15:45 |
| willcooke | * Working on various package merges for various packages I have touched in the last cycle. | 15:45 |
| willcooke | * Started working more on the unity 7 dash, the search text entry is not yet accessible, and making it so will also improve HUD accessibility. | 15:45 |
| willcooke | #topic robert_ancell | 15:45 |
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| willcooke | - Released lightdm 1.15.0 with support to use new XMir when it hits the archive | 15:45 |
| willcooke | - Investigated upstream status of XMir patches | 15:45 |
| willcooke | - Created local XMir branch and started splitting big patch into | 15:45 |
| willcooke | smaller pieces (upstreamable + changes that need more investigation). | 15:45 |
| willcooke | - Tested proposed xorg-server package for wily which replaces old XMir | 15:45 |
| willcooke | with new version | 15:46 |
| willcooke | - Released simple-scan 3.14.3.1 | 15:46 |
| willcooke | #topic Any other business | 15:46 |
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| qengho | Next Moonday, 25 May, is a national holiday for USA. | 15:46 |
| * willcooke adds it to the calendar | 15:46 | |
| willcooke | oh | 15:46 |
| willcooke | Next Moonday, 25 May, is a national holiday for UK. | 15:46 |
| Laney | hell yes it is | 15:46 |
| didrocks | same in France | 15:46 |
| larsu | same in DE | 15:46 |
| willcooke | We should all meet up and have a BBQ then | 15:47 |
| czajkowski | didrocks: the month of May is a bank holiday in FRance! | 15:47 |
| didrocks | czajkowski: mostly, yeah 4 this year (but next year, only 2… as 2 of them are on Sundays) | 15:47 |
| Laney | qengho: do you need help with that upload? | 15:47 |
| qengho | Laney: Yes. | 15:48 |
| Laney | just that one should fix the test? | 15:48 |
| * qengho barbequed this weekend! Come over! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2HAwdDWZG9k/VVdWr9hMPnI/AAAAAAAAmkU/n8R0Hbjd2qA/w749-h562-no/IMG_20150516_103927.jpg | 15:48 | |
| Laney | perhaps you could attach your diff to the debian bug too | 15:49 |
| qengho | Laney: yes, it fixes the test. | 15:49 |
| qengho | I will. | 15:49 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: will travel to Cambridge very early on Thurday, hope to see you there one of the days. | 15:49 |
| Laney | 'kay, thanks | 15:49 |
| willcooke | Sweet5hark, oki, will aim to get over for lunch one of the days | 15:49 |
| willcooke | meetings allowing | 15:49 |
| * Sweet5hark packs his clownnose. flying germanwings again. | 15:50 | |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: sure, sure | 15:50 |
| Laney | larsu: is styling undershoot and overshoot on your bugdar? | 15:50 |
| larsu | nope | 15:50 |
| Laney | perhaps we could just make them blank for now so we can upload 3.16 | 15:50 |
| larsu | but it can be :) | 15:50 |
| Laney | heh | 15:50 |
| Laney | I assigned some bugs to you ;-) | 15:50 |
| larsu | thanks :) | 15:50 |
| Laney | I thought this was a softer ping than IRC :P | 15:51 |
| Laney | anyway I think if we get those then we could probably 3.16ify wily | 15:51 |
| Laney | the default style is pretty obnoxious | 15:51 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: didrocks: what's new in Ubuntu Make 0.8? | 15:53 |
| willcooke | mhall119, one sec | 15:53 |
| willcooke | any other business for the meeting? | 15:53 |
| willcooke | 1 min.... | 15:53 |
| willcooke | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue May 19 15:55:13 2015 UTC. | 15:55 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-05-19-15.32.moin.txt | 15:55 |
| willcooke | didrocks, looks like your blog has lost some new posts? | 15:55 |
| willcooke | thanks for the updates everyone | 15:55 |
| willcooke | mhall119, https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/bpES8AhH98x | 15:56 |
| willcooke | mhall119, and https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/commit/3ab7cbcfeb1123e65364b4e77be5399eec04bed7 | 15:56 |
| willcooke | qengho, oh! nice pic | 15:57 |
| seb128 | willcooke, thanks | 15:57 |
| mhall119 | thanks willcooke | 15:58 |
| didrocks | mhall119: sorry, had to hard reboot, the sdk went crazy again in loop mounts | 15:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, without ecryptfs? | 15:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah… so it seems it's another issue | 15:58 |
| seb128 | k, makes sense | 15:59 |
| didrocks | and I'm not the only one if you look at the bug report | 15:59 |
| seb128 | I'm not seeing that one under ecryptfs | 15:59 |
| tyhicks | what's the bug report for that one? | 15:59 |
| didrocks | tyhicks: it was written on the same bug report until now | 15:59 |
| didrocks | but it seems they are different as I'm without /home being a mountpoint now | 15:59 |
| didrocks | I just left qtcreator opened during the meeting | 15:59 |
| seb128 | that's crazyness | 15:59 |
| didrocks | and it starts after a while to bindmount 1 000 mounts | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I blame systemd :p | 16:00 |
| willcooke | :D | 16:00 |
| didrocks | the fsckd patch for sure! | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I was about to say! | 16:00 |
| didrocks | I have to reboot under upstart, because it seems that mount is not as efficient or delayed | 16:00 |
| didrocks | (probably the schroot job) | 16:00 |
| seb128 | oh, to fix it you mean | 16:00 |
| didrocks | so I can stops the schroot session restore on reboot | 16:01 |
| didrocks | yeah | 16:01 |
| seb128 | does the bug happen under upstart? | 16:01 |
| didrocks | I'll try tomorrow a full day under upstart | 16:01 |
| didrocks | and see | 16:01 |
| seb128 | k | 16:01 |
| didrocks | mhall119: so… to your question, just before the freeze, I was going to point you at https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/bpES8AhH98x | 16:01 |
| mhall119 | didrocks: willcooke beat you to it :) | 16:03 |
| didrocks | he had an advantage, qtcreator wasn't opened for him! | 16:03 |
| didrocks | totally unfair battle | 16:03 |
| willcooke | hey! You don't know that | 16:04 |
| willcooke | but you are right | 16:04 |
| willcooke | mhall119, was that update about right? Bit more info next time? | 16:05 |
| qengho | Laney: Attached debdiff. I think I did it right. BTSing is rusty. | 16:05 |
| qengho | eventually, at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785720 | 16:06 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 785720 in sikuli "sikuli exec wrapper classpath doesn't account for transitional "constants" lib" [Normal,Open] | 16:06 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: more specific detail would be good, the XMir stuff was perfect | 16:06 |
| willcooke | mhall119, gotya | 16:06 |
| * qengho lunch. afk. | 16:07 | |
| didrocks | see you guys | 16:11 |
| Trevinho | seb128: so... what we don't want is something like... | 16:24 |
| Trevinho | gdbus call --session --dest org.gnome.ScreenSaver --object-path /com/canonical/Unity/Session --method com.canonical.Unity.Session.ActivateScreenSaver && sleep 1 && sudo chvt 1 && sleep 1 && sudo chvt 7 | 16:24 |
| Trevinho | and at that point you need to move something to turn things on... | 16:25 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, correct | 16:31 |
| willcooke | g'night | 17:25 |
| Laney | qengho: There's a missing \ in the .sh files | 17:39 |
| Laney | Adding that makes it pass - uploading | 17:39 |
| Laney | but probably update your Debian patches | 17:39 |
| qengho | Laney: Oh man. Thank you. | 18:08 |
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