[04:17] Good morning [05:59] good morning [06:03] didrocks: good morning [06:04] hey yaraju [06:05] my doubts have gone over to the dev spheres now. I'm happily using the new Android Studio downloaded directly and have settled back into complacence wrt 12.0.4 :P [06:06] nice! [06:50] good morning desktopers [06:54] hey seb128 [06:56] lut didrocks ;-) [07:01] bonjour didrocks et seb128, comment allez-vous ? [07:01] wow, I've ignored IRC for 1.5 hours, deep hacking mode :) [07:01] hey pitti, good, yourself? [07:01] didrocks: quite fine, thanks! [07:03] hey pitti, wie gehts? what are you hacking on? [07:03] I'm good thanks! [07:04] though weather is on autumn mode here :-/ [07:04] rainy, windy and cold [07:07] seb128: guess what -- fixing systemd bugs, something totally new :) [07:07] hehe [07:07] yeah, it was really nice until yesterday, but going to be gray and dull [07:08] need to get out running today before it starts raining [07:08] do you train daily? ;-) [07:13] seb128: no, two or three times a week, plus Basketball on Wednesdays [07:18] morning all [07:18] hey willcooke [07:18] had a good w.e? [07:18] Yes thanks! [07:19] and yesterday was my wife's birthday, so we went to the shops (yay :( ) [07:19] glad to be back at work today then? ;-) [07:19] We've got less than a month to go until the babies arrive, so she's pretty big and has to walk very slowly [07:20] oh yeah, good to be back :) [07:21] hey willcooke [07:22] morning didrocks [08:03] yo [08:11] hey Laney, how are you? [08:19] hey seb128, doing good thanks [08:19] * Laney is reassembling his desk [08:19] you? [08:19] I'm good as well, thanks [08:20] I have to look at a crappy wall now [08:20] new window ruined the paint work [08:20] distressing [08:25] you would have used good old waterfall charts for planning your work, you would have done it the right order around :) [08:26] it's not *our* paint work :P [08:26] but I wouldn't have chosen to re paint it if it was up to me [08:26] oh? [08:27] well the room was already done [08:27] but they had to damage it to replace the window [08:27] ok, well… I guess you won another week-end of painting them (at least, to your prefered color) [08:28] yeah don't want to have to do the other three walls so I will try to get the same one :P [08:28] sorry to ruin it for you, but that's never totally works [08:29] yeah, clearly not [08:29] but all walls don't need to be the same color [08:29] (but it's better in this case to go with something completely different than slightly) [08:29] right [08:29] if I do the whole wall in a close enough colour it will be fine [08:29] adjacent walls look different anyway because of lighting [08:30] Laney has faith ;-) [08:30] done this before [08:30] the shop does paint matching if you take a sample [08:30] seb128: seems he has more than us ;) [08:30] or he's less picky with the results [08:30] can be [08:31] but if he works for him, good :-) [08:31] indeed [08:31] (I like this "talking as if Laney wasn't around") ; [08:31] ;) [08:31] ;-) [08:31] oh Laney, you here! [08:31] :) [08:31] there's shade at the corner [08:31] so you cannot actually see if the colours are identical [08:32] which is enough to trick your eyes [08:32] right, but in practice you have a junction line [08:32] that's the point, this point is exactly where the light changes anyway [08:32] and you can usually see it if one is older, color change with time/sun/dirt/... [08:33] it already looks darker on the side which is in shade [08:33] even though they are in the same paint now [08:33] alright! [08:33] FAITH! [08:33] I trust you are doing the right thing :-) [08:35] four walls all totally different would be awesome though [08:36] * larsu notices that unity doesn't allow accessing the global menu for fullscreen apps [08:36] which, for most apps, means that you have to unfullscreen to do something useful [08:36] except for totem, which shows the gear menu in that case [08:36] (which is making problems now) [08:37] oh actually you can access the menu with the mnemonic accels and you get free floating menus [08:42] you working on that menu bug? [08:49] Laney, desrt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1449389 might be something for you [08:49] Launchpad bug 1449389 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Python Exception iter() returned non-iterator of type '_iterator'" [Undecided,New] [08:50] there is a patch on the upstream bug mentioned there [08:54] Laney: yes. Not sure if I can just remove the fullscreen gear menu [08:55] would be way more complicated (and harder to upstream) otherwise [08:55] because I'd need to fill in the dynamic menus in two places now [09:07] is that hard? [09:12] not really [09:13] but might be harder to justify upstream because it makes code more complex [09:13] which is why I was wondering - none of the other apps do this, only totem [09:14] (eog, evince, gedit) [09:17] I'd prefer to keep it and see if you get pushback later [09:19] pushback for having an extra button? I don't think so... [09:19] but yeah, I think I'm leaning towards that as well [09:19] on the complexity [09:19] from upstream, I m ean [09:19] ah, right [09:20] seb128: noted, hopefully it'll get reviewed and we get it via upstream ;-) [09:20] * Laney looks around [09:49] any idea about the chromium-browser regression? should I ignore this to let glib2.0 through? [09:49] Laney: ^ [09:49] pitti: I pinged qengho multiple times but didn't get any traction yet [09:49] it's apparently a regression of chromium-browser in -proposed, not due to glib2.0 [09:49] it happens with the new version so could be real, so I've held off skipping it entirely [09:49] we could skip the triggering packages but then you end up chasing it [09:49] Laney: oh, you mean old chromium-browser plus new glib fails, too? [09:50] no [09:50] I mean that I don't want to do force-badtest on it [09:50] I could do force-skiptest glib, cairo, ... but then you have to keep watching for more instances [09:50] right, I'd just override it once [09:50] i. e. edit results.history [09:51] so I'd really prefer that Chad would just look at it :/ [09:51] s/look at/resolve/ - he has actually looked AFAIK [09:57] pitti: nothing backing up behind glib that I'm aware of ATM - I'll raise this in the team meeting later & see if it can be worked on as a priority, otherwise let's skip it [09:57] you should get on the release team so you don't have to hack this file :) [09:58] Laney: well, I actually do want to decide this on a case by case basis, not generally ignore actual regressions [09:58] I just wave through packages which are a victim of unrelated regressions in -proposed [09:58] like gcc-5 now [09:59] ah, I think that's force-skiptest, right? [09:59] indeed [09:59] we don't have the facility to ignore one test for one package [09:59] which you do by editing the file? [10:00] (that would probably be good - might try to work on that) [10:00] right (also, I can't commit to the overrides bzr) [10:02] nod, that bit could be fixed ;) [10:44] Should themes include icon-theme.cache? [10:44] Or rather, should .deb packages that install a theme include icon-theme.cache? [10:49] dh_icons will generate a postinst that calls gtk-update-icon-cache when the package is installed [10:56] Laney, So that is a no then? icon-theme.cache should not be included in packages? [10:56] indeed [11:02] Laney, thanks. [11:24] Seems like summer is over already then. [11:24] Its now snowing. [11:27] snowing? I don't believe you [11:27] cloudy here, but that not bad and still hot [11:28] cherry blossoms :P [11:28] yeah, that kind of snow, I accept [11:28] ogra_: because of you, I want to go back to Japan now! [11:28] nope [11:28] ! [11:28] Sunny here in the tropical south. [11:28] it's stopped now, to be replaced by hail [11:28] :/ [11:29] just keep it there then, we dont want it in the rest of europe [11:29] 18°C here, no room for snow! [11:29] yeah, same here [11:29] ogra_: s/the rest of // [11:29] and sunny [11:29] /join #ubuntu-weather-chat [11:29] [11:29] haha === alan_g|EOD is now known as alan_g [12:15] Laney: still got gtk 3.16 in a ppa somewhere? [12:15] ww? [12:15] Trevinho, ChrisTownsend ^^ [12:16] willcooke: Thanks [12:16] Laney, any ideas when 3.16 will hit the archive? [12:16] Laney: right that was it. thanks! [12:16] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ww [12:17] hoping for the worst theme issues to be fixed first [12:17] ack [12:18] it's usable from there for now though [12:18] larsu: Laney: I'll try that out and see if it fixes the menu click issue issue Trevinho was mentioning yesterday. [12:18] Thanks Guys! [12:19] ChrisTownsend: I'm running 3.16 and can't reproduce that bug. good luck! [12:19] larsu: Yeah, I hope I can't either:) === alex-abreu|off is now known as alex-abreu [13:07] Hey all, is there any way I could find the dbgsym package for a superseded version of a package? [13:08] marga, hey, you can try to see if it's still on ddeb.ubuntu.com [13:08] but it's not likely [13:08] Yeah, I already tried that, it's gone [13:08] And archive.org doesn't index that [13:08] you can rebuild it with pkgbinarymangler installed [13:09] Ah, I don't know about that one [13:09] it diverts dh_builddeb (or something) to do various magic [13:09] including making ddebs [13:10] Alright, I'll have a look, tnx! [13:10] np! [13:44] So, pkgbinarymangler has no docs. I built the package with it installed and got normal debs with all the normal stuff in them, binaries are even stripped :( [13:45] I guess I needed to do something special, I just don't find what [13:46] marga, you should have .ddeb next to the deb in the builddir [13:46] didrocks, do you have a SIM in your bq? [13:47] Right, but I don't. As I said, I guess I did something wrong, I just can't figure out what as there are no docs. I built with: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot... [13:47] I guess I'll try fakeroot debian/rules binary [13:47] seb128: not yet, why? [13:47] didrocks, wondering if you could test bug #1453285 [13:47] bug 1453285 in telephony-service (Ubuntu) "Emergency numbers for France (15, 17 and 18) are not available in emergency mode" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453285 [13:48] didrocks, are those dialable from android when locked? [13:48] Mirv: do you know why I can't "import Ubuntu.Components 1.1" on 15.04? (it's the 15.04 template) [13:49] didrocks, what error do you get with the import? [13:49] seb128: just tried, can't to any [13:49] "xx n'est pas un numéro d'urgence" [13:49] didrocks, thanks [13:49] so likely an issue with the SIM/providers not with the phone [13:50] seb128: it couldn't find the QML module, I just apt-get install ubuntu-sdk [13:50] seb128: I'm with SFR, it's weird… [13:50] it's not a third party-small-one [13:50] right, dunno how are emergency numbers being defined... [13:51] 911 pass [13:51] so I guess hardcoded in the OS? [13:51] not sure, it seems to come from the SIM [13:51] the list-modem ofono script lists numbers [13:51] interesting that they don't refresh them for France… sounds not policy-compliant [13:52] didrocks: better maybe ask zsombi / t1mp / kalikiana (all on #ubuntu-app-devel), I know they've worked with 1.1/1.2/1.3 story lately [13:52] indeed not... [13:52] Mirv: ok, doing [13:52] didrocks, is qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-settings-components installed? [13:52] ignore that [13:52] * didrocks sees *settings* [13:53] I guess qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin [13:55] fakeroot debian/rules binary also didn't work... I guess I'll go read the code and try to figure out how to use this. === vrruiz is now known as rvr [14:01] seb128: hey! A question: unity-settings-daemon is used only by unity, right? No other flavor? [14:02] Trevinho, hey, it's used in the installer and on the greeter as well [14:02] so can't rely on unity to run [14:02] if that's the question [14:02] seb128: mh, ok... [14:03] Trevinho, sorry ;-) [14:28] Laney: Hey, the ww PPA needs some packages copied to the Wily series. [14:29] Like atk1.0. [14:30] ChrisTownsend: That's in wily-proposed, take it from there [14:30] Laney: Oh, ok, thanks [14:30] Will try to get this unstuck later [14:31] Laney: Sure, just trying to see if a bug is fixed. [14:33] Is the support of 10.04 already over? [14:38] I figured out that I also needed to have pkg-create-dbgsym, and then I needed to rerun debian/rules binary. Now I finally have my ddebs :) [14:38] Thanks [14:38] marga, oh, right, sorry I meant to check when you said it didn't work and got sidetracked [14:39] yeah, you need that package to make the ddebs ;-) [14:42] larsu_: FYI, the newest Gtk from the PPA does not reproduce the issue. [14:52] seb128: ok... However those are not sessions, right? I mean, you know what was the reason for this upstart conf? (start on started dbus and starting gnome-session INSTANCE!=GNOME) [14:52] and not INSTANCE==ubuntu ? [14:52] Trevinho, I think some derivative/variant wanted to use u-s-d, I'm unsure if they do know [14:52] yes [14:52] Trevinho, what are you trying to do? [14:53] flashback does for example [14:53] know->now [14:54] seb128: I'm looking at it for two reasons... One is problem solved (MP soon). but also I wanted to move unity7 to properly run on upstart session as gnome-session is not reliable when it comes to respawning it... [14:54] Trevinho, I though that was already the case? [14:54] and, so... I was looking around at the conf's, and I noticed this.. So I was wondering what was the reason [14:54] seb128: it was, but a merge with upstream reverted it [14:54] Trevinho, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/3.14.0-2ubuntu5 [14:54] I think Laney then fixed it again [14:54] Trevinho, ? [14:55] right [14:55] so it's fixed? [14:55] seb128: it is but I need to optimize stuff.. .And make sure that unity starts after ngome-sessions and that it takes its env [14:56] seb128: so, I think we need also to make gnome-session to talk to upstart to set the environment variables (this might also avoid us to ship custom stuff like it happens for the gnome-keyring) [14:57] Trevinho, can't you setenv from the job? [14:58] well, some apps might even call gnome-session set'env and this won't then affect the upstart jobs... I was just looking... As there are some env variables missing otherwise [14:59] what do you see missing? [15:00] Laney: mh, I've not written them down (I've done this tests few days ago), but I'll check again.,.. [15:00] diff <(strings /proc/$(pidof gnome-session)/environ | sort) <(strings /proc/$$/environ | sort) [15:00] * Laney 's head breaks [15:00] make that diff -u ;-) [15:01] indeed [15:02] Laney: ah, now I recall... [15:02] Laney: there are two calls in gnome-session to set_env... [15:02] one for SESSION [15:02] the other for XDG_MENU_PREFIX [15:02] Laney: so... Indeed we could export them by hand [15:02] but... [15:03] since gnome-session has already a wrapper for exporting env variables (that might be called also through autostart .desktop files), I'd prefer to do things once and with a simple dbus call === larsu_ is now known as larsu [15:05] What you could do is make it call the upstart thingy to set the variable [15:05] Laney: yep that's I what to do [15:05] and serialise the session startup so that gnome-session starts before compiz [15:06] yes, I've done that [15:06] that'll only work properly during initialisation, but this is documented anyway [15:06] for their Setenv method [15:07] ah it even fails later on [15:21] seb128: when you've a moment, can you check https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity-settings-daemon/automount-monitor-lockscreen/+merge/259514 ? [15:22] Trevinho, sure can, thanks for working on that [15:22] mdeslaur: also... This should be trivial to backport ^ [15:22] Trevinho: awesome, thanks! I'll take a look this week [15:23] mdeslaur: I've not checked /properly/, but the patch should apply cleanly to trusty as well [15:23] I thought you emulated the gnome-screensaver interface? [15:24] Laney: we do... But in unity the creen can be locked before of having a screensaver [15:24] Laney: and since that unity-settings-daemon depends on the Activated signal for turning off the screen as well, we can't just do the same [15:24] (activated from g-s) [15:25] i.e. screen is locked.... then after some time the screen is blanked. At that point we send the ScreenSaver.Activated signal... [15:26] but there's a delay... [15:26] oh, I just assumed that it was activated straight away [15:26] and the same when waking up [15:26] you want to always show the lockscreen for a bit or something? [15:26] Laney: yes, as music might be playing and stuff like that [15:27] Laney: in any case we don't want the screen off when user comes back and moves something [15:27] and that's controlled by the very same signal [15:27] Trevinho, while you are looking at lockscreen, maybe you want to have a go at https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1405349 as well? ;-) [15:27] Launchpad bug 1405349 in unity (Ubuntu) "switching to activated guest session causes screen blank" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:27] Trevinho, having unity not blanking the screen if it can't lock [15:28] the issue is that indicator-session tries to lock the session between switching away [15:28] mhmh... I'm not sure we don't want to blank if you disable the lockscreen [15:28] locking is disabled but unity blank the screne in that case [15:28] that should happen only if you disable the screensaver [15:28] right [15:28] which is the case in guest sessions [15:28] we're more flexible than gnome I think... [15:28] well, it's an oem flagged issue [15:28] could be [15:29] but it's confusing, you switch back to the guest [15:29] seb128: well, so guest sessions can just set the delay to infinite? [15:29] and you have a blank screen [15:29] it looks like the session close and you were on a vt or something [15:29] or disable the screen blanking at all? [15:29] they could [15:29] but shouldn't unity stay away from doing anything if lockscreen is locked down? [15:30] Hrm. Meeting time already [15:30] locked down doesn't mean you don't want your screen to blank (ok, it's not CRT times anymore, but still...) [15:31] seb128, Trevinho you guys want to continue your discussion now and we can wait to start the meeting, or are you ok? [15:31] ok to start the meeting that is [15:31] willcooke: no problem, we can continue later [15:31] oki, thx Trevinho [15:31] willcooke, we moved to another channel it's ok [15:31] in which case... [15:32] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 [15:32] Meeting started Tue May 19 15:32:23 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:32] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: [15:32] Roll call: attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, tkamppeter, themuso (out), robert_ancell (out) [15:32] \o [15:32] * Sweet5hark sneaks in [15:32] hey [15:32] o/ [15:33] ahoy [15:33] hey [15:33] attente and desrt might be en route to the Mir sprint so may not be here [15:34] let's start with dgadomski and we can loop back round [15:34] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: dgadomski [15:34] hey, unfortunately nothing related to desktop was taking place last week [15:34] nice and easy :) [15:34] :) [15:34] thx dgadomski [15:34] thanks [15:34] #topic didrocks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: didrocks [15:35] * Ubuntu Make: [15:35] - bug triaging and pull request review [15:35] * Ubuntu SDK: [15:35] - Finish watching UOS sdk-touch related sessions [15:35] - Mostly reading SDK-related documentation and guides for developers and presentation, still some to read (mostly API related) [15:35] - Continued to draw the developer position, looking for equipment and example application to use to cover various topics. [15:35] - troubles with the /home on ecryptfs issue with the SDK, (multiple mounting leaving the machine in a useless state). Had to move everything to a clean home. [15:35] Short week (4 days, Thursday was off) [15:35] . [15:36] thx didrocks [15:36] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: FJKong [15:37] FJKong, please let me have your update via email [15:37] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: happyaron [15:38] Probably also asleep [15:39] happyaron, please let me have your update via email [15:39] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: Laney [15:39] can you skip me until the end please? [15:39] (sorry) [15:39] sure [15:39] #topic larsu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: larsu [15:40] hey, very short week due to holiday and day off [15:40] the previous meeting was too good to stay that way :-) [15:40] continued on totem, turned out more work than I thought [15:40] also looked into the timezone panel a bit more [15:40] (also signed a lease on a new apartment) [15:40] ok, I can go next [15:41] and usual discussion etc. [15:41] larsu, congrats on the apartment [15:41] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: Laney [15:41] • This week I mainly did merges (https://launchpad.net/~laney/+uploaded-packages) [15:41] • SRUed glib [15:41] • Investigated some glib filemonitor issues and filed bugs upstream, waiting for reply still [15:41] • Packaged gtk+2.0 new release for w (will look at T SRU soon), gtk+3.0 3.16.3 for ww PPA [15:41] • Test a systemd patch for mount handling from p_itti [15:41] • Smooth some autopkgtests to get things moving to release, file some Debian bugs about these where appropriate [15:41] • Help with x264 transition, get that migrated [15:41] • Some system-settings/phone discussions [15:41] ☂ [15:41] thx Laney [15:41] #topic qengho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: qengho [15:42] was mostly displaced to the dining room which was unpleasant [15:42] oh, +uploaded-packages, didn't know about that [15:42] * Laney needs the full workstation experience [15:42] yeah doesn't contain syncs though (https://launchpad.net/~laney/+synchronised-packages) [15:43] nor sponsored uploads it seems :-/ [15:43] - Fixed chromium-browser FTBFS for armhf. [15:43] - Tracked chromium autopkgtest failure back to a wily-sepcific transitional java lib package that the sikuli exec-wrapper classpath doesn't account for. Much drinking here. debbugs #785720 LP #1456675. May need debian upload sponsorship. [15:43] EOF [15:43] Launchpad bug 1456675 in sikuli (Ubuntu) "sikuli fails with NoClassDefFoundError: com/kenai/constantine/Constant" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1456675 [15:43] thx qengho [15:43] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: seb128 [15:43] • 3 days week (thursday was a national holiday, took friday off as well) [15:43] • lot of bugs triaging (desktop/vivid & phone/touch) [15:43] • patch pilot shift [15:43] • quite some emails backlog after the 4 days off work [15:43] • joined several discussions about desktop&convergence topics (timezone selection issues on desktop, content-hub on desktop, settings design issues, ...), that kept me busy for a part of the week [15:43] [15:43] thx seb128 [15:43] #topic Sweet5hark === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: Sweet5hark [15:44] - one day sick leave, one day holiday, one day paid off [15:44] - travel prepare for LibreOffice Hackfest in Cambridge, UK this week [15:44] - pushed the assumed crash-on-exit bug to PPA [15:44] - fixed "mail merge with base" bug upstream [15:44] -- backported to vivid [15:44] -- currently build for PPA, should be SRU together with the other stuff after some PPA test time on Monday(?) [15:44] EOF [15:44] thx Sweet5hark [15:44] feeling better now Sweet5hark ? [15:44] willcooke: yes, but still on antibiotics. so it may be a lie [15:44] :( [15:44] hope you are on the mend [15:45] #topic tkamppeter_ === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: tkamppeter_ === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [15:45] - Set up Wily (.DEB edition) on a virtual machine. [15:45] - MIR to get Debian's ippusbxd package into Main. [15:45] - More tests concerning ippusbxd, found a bug preventing automatic print queue setup for all USB printers, reported bug for SRU [15:45] - cups-filters: Investigations on auto-generated PPD-less print queues for IPP network printers how they can also made to accept JPG [15:45] - Bugs [15:45] thx tkamppeter [15:45] #topic TheMuso === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: TheMuso [15:45] * Updated at-spi in wily, orca will soon follow. [15:45] * Working on various package merges for various packages I have touched in the last cycle. [15:45] * Started working more on the unity 7 dash, the search text entry is not yet accessible, and making it so will also improve HUD accessibility. [15:45] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: robert_ancell [15:45] - Released lightdm 1.15.0 with support to use new XMir when it hits the archive [15:45] - Investigated upstream status of XMir patches [15:45] - Created local XMir branch and started splitting big patch into [15:45] smaller pieces (upstreamable + changes that need more investigation). [15:45] - Tested proposed xorg-server package for wily which replaces old XMir [15:46] with new version [15:46] - Released simple-scan 3.14.3.1 [15:46] #topic Any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly - 2015-05-19 Meeting | Current topic: Any other business [15:46] Next Moonday, 25 May, is a national holiday for USA. [15:46] * willcooke adds it to the calendar [15:46] oh [15:46] Next Moonday, 25 May, is a national holiday for UK. [15:46] hell yes it is [15:46] same in France [15:46] same in DE [15:47] We should all meet up and have a BBQ then [15:47] didrocks: the month of May is a bank holiday in FRance! [15:47] czajkowski: mostly, yeah 4 this year (but next year, only 2… as 2 of them are on Sundays) [15:47] qengho: do you need help with that upload? [15:48] Laney: Yes. [15:48] just that one should fix the test? [15:48] * qengho barbequed this weekend! Come over! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2HAwdDWZG9k/VVdWr9hMPnI/AAAAAAAAmkU/n8R0Hbjd2qA/w749-h562-no/IMG_20150516_103927.jpg [15:49] perhaps you could attach your diff to the debian bug too [15:49] Laney: yes, it fixes the test. [15:49] I will. [15:49] willcooke: will travel to Cambridge very early on Thurday, hope to see you there one of the days. [15:49] 'kay, thanks [15:49] Sweet5hark, oki, will aim to get over for lunch one of the days [15:49] meetings allowing [15:50] * Sweet5hark packs his clownnose. flying germanwings again. [15:50] willcooke: sure, sure [15:50] larsu: is styling undershoot and overshoot on your bugdar? [15:50] nope [15:50] perhaps we could just make them blank for now so we can upload 3.16 [15:50] but it can be :) [15:50] heh [15:50] I assigned some bugs to you ;-) [15:50] thanks :) [15:51] I thought this was a softer ping than IRC :P [15:51] anyway I think if we get those then we could probably 3.16ify wily [15:51] the default style is pretty obnoxious [15:53] willcooke: didrocks: what's new in Ubuntu Make 0.8? [15:53] mhall119, one sec [15:53] any other business for the meeting? [15:53] 1 min.... [15:55] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Test gtk 3.16 from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww & file bugs with the tag "gtk316" [15:55] Meeting ended Tue May 19 15:55:13 2015 UTC. [15:55] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-05-19-15.32.moin.txt [15:55] didrocks, looks like your blog has lost some new posts? [15:55] thanks for the updates everyone [15:56] mhall119, https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/bpES8AhH98x [15:56] mhall119, and https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/commit/3ab7cbcfeb1123e65364b4e77be5399eec04bed7 [15:57] qengho, oh! nice pic [15:57] willcooke, thanks [15:58] thanks willcooke [15:58] mhall119: sorry, had to hard reboot, the sdk went crazy again in loop mounts [15:58] didrocks, without ecryptfs? [15:58] seb128: yeah… so it seems it's another issue [15:59] k, makes sense [15:59] and I'm not the only one if you look at the bug report [15:59] I'm not seeing that one under ecryptfs [15:59] what's the bug report for that one? [15:59] tyhicks: it was written on the same bug report until now [15:59] but it seems they are different as I'm without /home being a mountpoint now [15:59] I just left qtcreator opened during the meeting [15:59] that's crazyness [16:00] and it starts after a while to bindmount 1 000 mounts [16:00] I blame systemd :p [16:00] :D [16:00] the fsckd patch for sure! [16:00] I was about to say! [16:00] I have to reboot under upstart, because it seems that mount is not as efficient or delayed [16:00] (probably the schroot job) [16:00] oh, to fix it you mean [16:01] so I can stops the schroot session restore on reboot [16:01] yeah [16:01] does the bug happen under upstart? [16:01] I'll try tomorrow a full day under upstart [16:01] and see [16:01] k [16:01] mhall119: so… to your question, just before the freeze, I was going to point you at https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/bpES8AhH98x [16:03] didrocks: willcooke beat you to it :) [16:03] he had an advantage, qtcreator wasn't opened for him! [16:03] totally unfair battle [16:04] hey! You don't know that [16:04] but you are right [16:05] mhall119, was that update about right? Bit more info next time? [16:05] Laney: Attached debdiff. I think I did it right. BTSing is rusty. [16:06] eventually, at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785720 [16:06] Debian bug 785720 in sikuli "sikuli exec wrapper classpath doesn't account for transitional "constants" lib" [Normal,Open] [16:06] willcooke: more specific detail would be good, the XMir stuff was perfect [16:06] mhall119, gotya [16:07] * qengho lunch. afk. [16:11] see you guys [16:24] seb128: so... what we don't want is something like... [16:24] gdbus call --session --dest org.gnome.ScreenSaver --object-path /com/canonical/Unity/Session --method com.canonical.Unity.Session.ActivateScreenSaver && sleep 1 && sudo chvt 1 && sleep 1 && sudo chvt 7 [16:25] and at that point you need to move something to turn things on... [16:31] Trevinho, correct [17:25] g'night [17:39] qengho: There's a missing \ in the .sh files [17:39] Adding that makes it pass - uploading [17:39] but probably update your Debian patches [18:08] Laney: Oh man. Thank you. === vrruiz is now known as rvr === tmpRAOF is now known as RAOF === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter