[00:22] hello [00:23] Al__: hey === _salem is now known as salem_ === aaron is now known as ahoneybun [01:17] this is only a suggestion. Digit keyboard is missing negative sign. [01:29] Does anyone know if there's a freely available plugin for the QtLocation.GeocodeModel that allows reverse geocoding (lat/long to address)? I tried with the Nokia HERE plugin and it says 1) that it doesn't support reverse geocoding and 2) that I need to register with developer.here.com. This is for the weather core app--so perhaps we could use the application id used elsewhere in the platform? [01:51] vthompson, i dont know about plugins for QtLocation.GeocodeModel, but OSM has a reverse geocoding api we've been using called nominatim [01:59] anyone know when 15.0 is coming out ? [02:01] i found http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ [02:01] its 15.10 === salem_ is now known as _salem [03:19] cwayne, thanks! I saw that there was a osm plugin and started using. It's working great. Thanks! [03:21] jcbjoe: Ubuntu 15.10 comes out on October 22nd (and doesn't exist until then): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule [03:26] cwayne, for reference here's a small diff to get the OSM reverse geocoding working with the QtLocation API: https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot-location-qml/+merge/259462 [03:47] cwayne, oh and happy birthday :) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:38] good morning === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [07:34] morningmorning [07:34] any idea how can we see the details of every update? [07:34] like i just updated the camera, can i see what is changed? [07:34] did change === mibofra is now known as Guest72657 [08:22] hi guys... we are developing a tablet like device - and were looking for some base OS / ui manager... so found this ubuntu-touch [08:23] we are really trying to avoid having an android layer in between.. as the system is supposed to operate on/with high-res video feeds [08:24] anybody who did something similar? preferably on imx6 or tk1/tx1 [08:26] danieel, from memory ubuntu-touch uses android drivers and a few other things from it to run compatibly on mobile devices [08:26] danieel: I'm no expert, but the Ubuntu touch architecture seems to utilise Android drivers. You don't have a stock android kernel, and don't have the android userland, but you need the android drivers [08:26] (i think) [08:27] danieel, if you want to avoid android backend altogether, you need to use apple or windows devices. Android does work with high-res vieo feeds though, what's the problem with that? My note4 has HD video and works with streaming. [08:28] the device we designed uses pcie x4 card to capture multiple FHD streams, and the gpu does processing on top of that.. [08:29] danieel: and you have access to the kernel drivers? [08:30] yes we do [08:30] danieel, android has a passthrough API to allow you to talk to hardware using C-like code. android, like ubuntu-touch, is opensource. you may feel free to download it, cut it and use what you need. ubuntu-touch does that by using android drivers. === MickeyVirus2 is now known as MickeyVirus [08:31] Good morning all; happy May Ray Day! 😃 [08:32] danieel: are your drivers binary blobs or source? Are you tied to a specific kernel version? [08:34] ours are source code [08:34] the issue is with android.. there are more blobs [08:37] danieel: what I'd say is take a little time getting used to the ubuntu touch architecture. It is deigned to work in a certain way (basic functions provided by frameworks, with apps being strictly confined in their access and capabilities) which may or may not work with your use case. But if the architecture suits you (and you have the drivers) it is a great system [08:37] i thought it is a replacement of android... [08:37] so you say, rather an extension? [08:41] no. its due to manufacturers shipping android drivers only in that sort of hardware segment. [08:45] danieel: try this for an idea of why and what ubuntu touch uses for the driver setup: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ [08:45] danieel, is the device you want to run on an x86 with open graphics driver ? then you should be able to just use the desktop-next image, there is no android container in that one [08:48] if your device is some kind of android tablet using drivers that only have closed binary blob drivers for android available you can follow the porting guide to turn your android source tree into a container (else you wouldnt be able to make use of i.e. the video codecs) [08:48] no, it is not x86, it is imx6/tk1, for both there is desktop like ubuntu image [08:49] well, if you have full access to the drivers you dont need the android container ... we dont provide a working image for a non android arm device though (thats extremely rare :) ) [08:49] for video processing, probably gstreamer would be used (need to check whether it allows various professional metadata, and what the latency is) [08:49] sure ... ubuntu-touch uses gstreamer too ... [08:49] okay... so just compile it like on a desktop [08:50] ogra_: would ubuntu-core be up to that sort of job? [08:50] (for the container we have a special android sink) [08:50] mcphail, not yet, not ... bringing up a graphics stack on -core isnt easy yet [08:51] ogra_: thanks [08:51] (that will change soon though :) ) [08:51] snappy core in the cloud is the perfect backend for your click package on the phone though ;) [08:52] desktop and UI will come with 15.10 ... and yes, that would make it super easy for danieel to create and deploy the right image [08:52] one other question - multitouch is handled in ubuntu-touch or in another layer? [08:53] that is for example one of the needs for a touch ui system.. on native linux we got at most a mouse pointer [08:53] by the touchscreen driver ... which ... on phones usually comes from the android layer [08:53] * ogra_ hasnt tried desktop-next on any touch device yet to actually see how it behaves with a proper linux driver [08:54] so every app has its own gesture resolver ? that does not seems right [08:54] no, Mir does that i think, but i could be wrong [08:55] ok.. so it seems we just have to try it, and then ask for specifics if wont work [08:59] yeah [09:33] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Full-Ubuntu-Convergence-Demonstrated-in-One-Image-481607.shtml [09:40] mandel, ping === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [11:02] Is there a way, I can filter out all webapps from the ubuntu store? [11:03] ulrichard_, https://uappexplorer.com/ ? [11:05] ogra_, thanks for the link. I was more looking for a filter in the app store scope. Can I install from that website like I could with android? [11:06] kind of ... the "install" links from there start a search in the app scope [11:16] ogra_: ah, there is also an app for that: https://uappexplorer.com/app/uappexplorer.bhdouglass [11:16] yep :D === _salem is now known as salem_ === alan_g|EOD is now known as alan_g === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN === alex-abreu|off is now known as alex-abreu === pedronis_ is now known as pedroni === pedroni is now known as pedronis === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:13] mzanetti: https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/baytrail/2015/05/19/an-update-on-ubuntu-on-baytrail/ === mibofra_ is now known as mibofra [13:29] Hmm, why doesn’t my BQ show up to import photos from in Shotwell? My Nexus 4 used to [13:30] mpt: filed a bug for that ages ago. [13:30] missing udev rule on your desktop ? [13:30] lemme find it. [13:30] no, it's because we don't expose the proper DCIM folders [13:30] bug 1283871 [13:31] bug 1283871 in mtp (Ubuntu) "Default mount points not suitable for photo import" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283871 [13:31] oh, that, yeah [13:31] Ah, thanks popey [13:31] * ogra_ remembers that ancient bug [13:33] ogra_: it's not the same definition of "ancient" that mpt does I guess. mpt can certainly quotes you bugs from 2006 ;) [13:33] didrocks, and you think i couldnt ? :P [13:34] for the phone a bug in the 12xxxxx area is ancient :) [13:34] we can probably all quote bug #1 [13:34] bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [13:34] well, thats a fake :P [13:34] Only in Malaysia these days...? [13:34] You get right on that, Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo team [13:35] we were in the 1000s already when it was added as #1 [13:35] mardy: are you aware that ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts is stuck in wily proposed? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts [13:35] ogra_: even the data was faked! [13:35] ha ! [13:37] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1 — What is this I don’t even [13:37] “Microsoft still has a majority market share, this ISO must be defective” [13:39] i guess the tested perhaps tried to add the "total number of bugs" to the bug field :) [13:39] how can I change the channel the device is getting updates from? (without reflashing) [13:39] bonus if you include details about the implementation :D [13:39] faenil, system-image-cli --help ... have a look at the --switch option [13:39] ogra_: you're a bonus kind of guy, I know it :D [13:40] haha [13:42] ogra_: oh it's python, okay I'll have a look at the scripts then too get more details [13:42] thanks ;) [13:48] ogra_: mmm running as user gives empty output for most of the commands, and running switch as root doesn't give any feedback [13:48] it's stuck there, don't know if it's doing anything :/ [13:48] tedg, regarding the conversation yesterday about saving state when an application goes in to the background - I'm using QGuiApplication::applicationState, but it's only ever Active or Inactive (never Suspended, which according to http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qt.html#ApplicationState-enum is when you're meant to save state). Is that intentional? [13:50] faenil, yeah, it is rather quiet by default .... you need to use -v if you want more output ... it will also not run if there is a system-image-dbus process active (that times out eventually if you dont want to kill it) [13:50] mm ok...I'll check that, thanks [13:50] ogra_: so, am I supposed to use it as user or root? [13:51] as user iirc [13:51] * ogra_ hasnt used it in a while, not sure anymore [13:51] okay, np [13:52] ogra_, faenil: you need to run it as root (sudo system-image-cli -vvv --switch ...) [13:52] ah, thanks [13:52] user doesn't have permissions for blacklist file and such [13:52] i thought it just calls the dbus service [13:53] dobey: ok, it would be good to have some output when run as user...just plain nothing is worrying :D [13:55] faenil, well, normally a "user2 doesnt ever use that command :) [13:55] faenil: there's no output by default when run as root either. i think there's a bug about the lack of output already. right barry? :) [13:55] *"user" [13:55] dobey: ah, ok :D [13:55] ogra_: well, whoever the "user" of the script is :P === oSoMoN__ is now known as oSoMoN [13:55] jeff bridges [13:55] but thanks dobey :) at least now I know it's stuck on "Running group download reactor" :) [13:55] dobey, he uses ubuntu ? [13:55] dobey, faenil not sure there's a bug, but even if there was, i'm not sure it wouldn't be "won't fix" ;) [13:55] ogra_: bad tron joke :) [13:55] all output always gets logged to /var/log/system-image/client.log which you can tail [13:55] i don't know if he uses ubuntu or not [13:55] various -v levels copy that to console [13:55] dobey, ah, i didnt get the reference ... damn [13:55] heh [13:55] barry: :/ [13:55] so, it is a cli tool, which however writes nothing to stdout most of the times :D sounds innovative to me :D [13:55] faenil: you normally don't want that crud filling up your console anyway (well, at least *i* don't ;) [13:55] faenil, it is temporaray anyway ... [13:56] ogra_: oh, ok [13:56] snappy will replace the world ... [13:56] ogra_: right... [13:56] ogra_: snappy update multiverse? [13:56] barry, haha, yeah [13:56] barry: normally, you do want to see progress for long-running actions. like downloads :) === vrruiz is now known as rvr [13:58] barry: there's a big difference between filling the console and showing 0 :D [13:58] dobey, you get them ... one dot per line ... if you add -v [13:58] dobey: i think -v and tailing the log file give you plenty of options [13:59] barry: if wget made me tail a file to see download progress, i'd burn things :) [13:59] dobey: +1 XD [13:59] I'm not aware of any tool which forces you to tail a file, really...but I'm young :p [13:59] ogra_: i always use -vvvv with it, and even with that it only shows "Group download reactor running" and doesn't print dots or anything [13:59] dobey, faenil maybe, but that's wget's reason to live. downloading is not si-cli's reason to live (in fact, on mobile, it technically doesn't even download anything :) [13:59] dobey, intersting, i just ran it on my arale ... and it prints one dot per line [13:59] only using -v though ... [13:59] si 3.0 will give you other console output progress options too [13:59] barry: "Running group download reactor" this is what's been on my console for 5mins, no sign of life [13:59] ogra_: also ugh at one dot per line. it's not 1965 any more :) [13:59] barry: cool [14:00] dobey, it helps people with a 1x24 terminal [14:00] faenil: that's basically saying "i handed everything off to ubuntu-download-manager, please enjoy a nice cup of tea while we wait" :) [14:00] faenil: yeah, it's downloading the 500 MB or whatever [14:09] barry: what about "blablabla, downloading..." :D [14:09] ogra_: for those people we should rotate the progress meter and use ANSII block chars to fill it :) [14:09] :) [14:09] faenil: if udm gives us progress signals, we pass them on. it can be ridiculously chatty [14:09] barry: not even talking about progress feedback...just something more explicative :D [14:09] which doesn't require -vvv, possibly :D [14:09] but that's just my opinion, just bitching here :) [14:10] eh, it should have a progress bar [14:10] it's not like progress bars in terminals isn't a solved problem already [14:10] dobey: sure that would be better [14:10] faenil: maybe. it feels pretty niche. -cli is intended to be a developer tool. but otoh, contributions welcome :) [14:10] barry: ha, that's why it's stuck [14:10] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/download.py", line 294, in get_files [14:10] raise TimeoutError [14:10] TimeoutError [14:10] [systemimage] May 19 14:03:11 2015 (32212) state machine finished [14:10] of course I read that by tailing the file :P [14:10] faenil: that's udm ignoring you :) [14:10] faenil: udm does sometimes crash or misbehave [14:10] ok [14:10] (and yes, there are bugs filed there ;) [14:10] faenil: in si 3.0 you'll be able to tweak things to use a built-in curl based downloader instead of udm. curl is default on snappy, but udm is still default on touch [14:10] barry: ok, good :) [14:25] I guess I'll just reboot the device then :/ [14:26] does ubuntu-touch have daily builds or nigtly's ? [14:26] there are channels that are built daily, yes [14:26] well, assuming things changed during that day, anyway [14:29] jcbjoe, i guess that completely depends on your timezone :) [14:29] ok [14:29] (if they are nihtly or daily) [14:29] *nightly [14:38] or fortnightly [14:53] Is this the place to get help flashing a Nexus 7 (2013)? [14:56] notrute, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ if you haven't seen it [14:57] I have, thank you. I am here because ubuntu-device-flasher is giving an error. [14:57] abeato: can you help me with some reverse engineering to a qcom chip (MSM8974) that uses OEM_HOOKs? (Talked with awe yesterday) [14:57] error pushing: failed to copy '/home/laz/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu/flo/version-2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': Is a directory [14:58] ofono ^ [14:58] mardy: ping [14:59] mardy: Silo 17 has a branch that hasn't been reviewed and the local storage feature has no tests. So it is blocked. [14:59] notrute: I get error to (trying to flash Oneplus One), I have no idea why? it's a wired error... [14:59] dbarth_: ^^ [15:00] mariogrip, sure, I have a meeting now, let me ping you later [15:00] abeato: k [15:02] abeato, if you + mariogrip can get it working, I will buy you infinity beers next sprint [15:02] cwayne, hehe, noted [15:02] and mariogrip you too if i ever meet you :P [15:04] cwayne: hahaha :) [15:04] cwayne, what about me? [15:04] * awe is thirsty [15:04] awe, whiskey for you [15:04] * cwayne really wants to be able to use opo + ubuntu as daily driver [15:05] lmao [15:05] in a jar? [15:05] always whiskey in a jar [15:05] * awe misses jono [15:05] java whiskey? [15:05] * ogra_ bets jono misses us too [15:08] mariogrip, abeato is in a meeting atm; I just gave him a dump of what we discovered yesterday... you should hear back from him in awhile [15:09] awe: That's fine, I will try to make so rild logs the requests from android [15:12] mpt, how's the device flash and silo coming? [15:14] cwayne: Also, you should give ogra_ infinity beers too, he helped when I stared the port, to get it to boot ubuntu on the opo :D [15:14] mariogrip, great... [15:14] cwayne, do you have one? [15:14] mariogrip, i already owe him infinity beers for other stuff [15:14] hiow much? [15:14] awe, ya [15:15] ill only pay for infinity beers if we have another sprint in budapest, where beers were like a nickel [15:16] so no clues on the "is a directory" message? [15:17] i think its running out of space on recovery [15:17] Ah! that could be helpful [15:17] cwayne: adb should not give that error then [15:18] mariogrip, on your server where are you pulling the rootfs from? [15:18] it's not adb but u-d-f iirc [15:18] correct cwayne [15:18] the system-server the cdimage does not use xz compression [15:19] i think that's the issue, it should [15:19] so could I recompress locally? [15:20] but then file sigs would mismatch. if it checks... [15:20] i think this would be the best bet: https://github.com/janimo/imageserver [15:21] mariogrip, ^ [15:21] i believe that pulls the rootfs from s-i rather than cdimage [15:21] as there's some repacking magic that needs doing [15:54] jgdx, installing the silo now (this is the furthest I’ve gotten so far) [16:03] jgdx, ok, I installed silo 36 successfully (at least, there were no errors), but the APN interface is the same as before [16:08] jgdx, “OS Build Details” says build number 6, Ubuntu image part 20150515, customization image part 1431017611. Is that all correct? [17:04] vrruiz: hi! About silo 17, I can give you instructions on how to test it, it involves using a certain click package [17:04] vrruiz: I'll comment on the MP [17:05] mardy, hi [17:06] cwayne: sorry, i just got busy with trying to fix ofono [17:07] i got some ideas from abeato :) [17:10] mardy: Thanks, but the feature also needs test automation. [17:13] mariogrip, nice! [17:23] guys any idea where i get the rtm image 226 that Pat mentions here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1456711 [17:23] Launchpad bug 1456711 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "crash on incoming sms" [Undecided,New] [17:26] tsdgeos: 14.09-proposed channel? [17:26] dobey: that gives me something like image 9 [17:27] or not, there seems to be no more 14.09-proposed [17:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11228762/ [17:27] tsdgeos: http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/devel-proposed/mako/ has a 226 at least [17:27] let's try that one [17:28] dobey: awesome, thanks [17:28] de nada :) [17:33] hello all [17:34] does anyone know of a way to blacklist sms numbers at all? [17:34] spam is driving me nuts [17:35] mpt, might have to look at what ubuntu-system-settings is installed (apt-cache policy ubuntu-system-settings) and did you restart the app? :) [17:41] jgdx, mpt: i bet it's apt pinning the version from the overlay ppa [17:41] apt-get install {ubuntu-system-settings,libsystemsettings1}=VERSION [17:41] should force it to install the version you want [17:45] kenvandine, thanks [18:02] vrruiz: OK, can you please add a comment to the MP about it? [18:02] mardy: Sure [18:02] cwayne: hi :-) [18:04] mardy, heya, was wondering if you'd had any luck with that fbphotos click [18:08] cwayne: nope, I was off this afternoon [18:08] cwayne: I'll try tomorrow [18:08] cwayne: there's also a bug about shotwell being unable to share pics to facebook, it's probably about API changes [18:10] mardy, yeah, i'd have to guess so, since the click didn't change at all and seemed to break late last week-ish [18:10] mardy, so if you keep us in the loop that'd be awesome :) one other thing -- is it possible to access an account-plugin using password mechanism from libaccounts-glib? or just oauth-based ones === Elimin8r is now known as Elimin8er [18:42] cwayne: you can use password from libsignon/libaccounts, yes. that's how the u1 account plug-in works [18:53] cwayne: yes, it's possible: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~danielholm/owncloud-app/trunk/files/head:/plugin/qml/ [19:09] mardy, right, I got an account-plugin, but I'm trying to be able to access the secret from a scope [19:10] which isnt currently possible using go-onlineaccounts, and jamesh pointed out it would need to be available via an api in libaccounts-glib to be supported === vrruiz is now known as rvr [19:34] cwayne: you need to use libsignon to read the secrets [19:34] libsignon-glib in this case i guess [19:36] dobey, ah, so maybe that's what needs adding to go-onlineaccounts.. dobey do you have a pointer to any docs on that? [19:38] cwayne_: i don't recall where the docs are exactly. we use the qt5 versions of the libs in ubuntuone-credentials to implement the plug-in there. you get the account from libaccounts, and then it should have a CredentialsID, which you use to get the secret from libsignon === tmpRAOF is now known as RAOF [21:26] hey awe, hope you're having a good evening! [21:47] thanks jgdx [22:35] awe, you still there? [22:35] yes [22:36] how's it going? [22:37] I'm modifying rild, to log every respond [22:37] i found this in libril #define RILC_LOG 0 [22:37] yup, that sounds familiar [22:38] and, what socket do ofono/ [22:38] use* to access rild [22:38] the same as JAVA version? dev/rild [22:39] yes [22:39] so essentially in the past, I've rebuilt libril, enabling that flag, and gotten full ril traces on a device running CM or stock AOSP [22:40] I modeled the ofono RIL logging on the code in libril [22:40] of course as the architecture is totally different the impl is much different [22:40] but the format's the same [22:41] that said you won't get a full hex dump of the requests/replies with this on [22:43] i think there might be a problem with rild not receiving the requests [22:44] rild logs that it got new connection, but noting more [22:45] I might be wrong, but it seems like it [22:53] i was wrong, i does receive requests [23:02] awe, on android RIL_REQUEST_SET_TTY_MODE get called before power [23:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233540/ [23:04] also OEM_HOOK_RAW is called before it turns on [23:04] this might be harder than I think [23:04] mariogrip, it's doubtful that the lack of SET_TTY mode is causing the problem. I'd be highly surprised [23:05] there's also a HOOK_RAW in there as well [23:06] if I were a betting man, that's where I'd put my money. But again, this kind of trace is hard-to-follow ( vs. a trace generated by libril ) [23:07] if you can capture the raw hook string, it shouldn't be too hard to extend ril.c to send the hook request before the power request [23:07] that might do the trick [23:08] I will give it a try === mibofra- is now known as mibofra