| dzho | guys, guys, GUYS | 18:49 |
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| dzho | I have a decision to make. | 18:49 |
| dzho | (this is the gender inclusive "guys" fwiw) | 18:50 |
| * Unit193 presumed. | 18:50 | |
| dzho | :-) | 18:50 |
| Unit193 | I've used the term "dude" or other when only talking to my sister. :P | 18:50 |
| dzho | none of the GNU screen instances I currently am using are fully emoji-compliant | 18:50 |
| Unit193 | Yey! | 18:50 |
| Unit193 | Also, sure it's not the font? | 18:51 |
| dzho | pretty sure, yeah. | 18:51 |
| dzho | well, apt-get install ttf-ancient-fonts takes care of that, mostly | 18:51 |
| dzho | packages.ubuntu.com/ttf-ancient-fonts | 18:52 |
| dzho | So, emojification didn't come to GNU screen until v 4.2 or thereabouts | 18:53 |
| dzho | and 4.2 didn't come to ubuntu until utopic, and to Debian until jessie. | 18:53 |
| dzho | and I'm not ready to go to either. | 18:53 |
| dzho | So, the decision is: Stick with screen, but build a local copy of 4.2 and use that? Add trusty-backports (on Ubuntu) so that I can get 4.2 that way? Or switch to tmux? | 18:54 |
| dzho | so I know it's not the font because tests indicate it works in tmux so long as I have that font package | 18:55 |
| Unit193 | Ah right, I questioned that as I'm using screen, and while someone complained that they were unable to see one, I could. However, I am using 4.2. | 18:55 |
| dzho | which OS release? | 18:56 |
| Unit193 | Trusty/stretch. | 18:56 |
| dzho | stretch? | 18:56 |
| Unit193 | Debian testing. | 18:57 |
| dzho | oh. | 18:57 |
| Ukikie | System: Host: Loki Kernel: 3.16.0-4-686-pae i686 (32 bit) Console: tty | 18:58 |
| Ukikie | Distro: Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid | 18:58 |
| * Ukikie waves to dzho! | 18:58 | |
| dzho | I had missed the naming announcement https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html | 18:58 |
| jenni | [ Release Team Sprint Results ] - https://j.mp/1FsohUZ | 18:58 |
| dzho | heh | 18:58 |
| dzho | stretch, and then buster | 18:58 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm. | 18:58 |
| dzho | this came to a head with Friday's xkcd | 19:04 |
| Unit193 | 💀 - ⚡️ - and I'm having ☕️ | 19:07 |
| Unit193 | 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿 🙀 one of those fail for you? | 19:07 |
| dzho | 19:09 < Unit193> � - ⚡️ - and I'm having ☕️ | 19:10 |
| dzho | 19:10 < Unit193> � � � � � � � � � one of those fail for you? | 19:10 |
| thafreak | dzho: upgrade to debian jessie :) | 19:10 |
| Unit193 | dzho: Yes, add backports. | 19:11 |
| thafreak | jessie | 19:11 |
| thafreak | :-P | 19:11 |
| * dzho throws a ⚡️ at thafreak | 19:11 | |
| Unit193 | thafreak: He's on trusty, I believe. | 19:11 |
| thafreak | oh, by upgrade, i mean re-install with jessie :) | 19:11 |
| thafreak | and an SSD | 19:12 |
| dzho | still on precise, even, on some things, trusty on others, squeeze on others, and wheezy on others. | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | Jessie will soon be outdated though, if it isn't already. :( | 19:12 |
| thafreak | wow | 19:12 |
| dzho | still way too soon for me to go to jessie for almost anything yet | 19:12 |
| thafreak | jessie has better stuff than trusty for now | 19:12 |
| dzho | dude, there's a behind-a-firewall-and-on-a-private-network system I just moved up from hardy | 19:12 |
| thafreak | well...kvm/libvirt et al | 19:13 |
| dzho | I used the hell out of do-release-upgrade there for a while | 19:13 |
| thafreak | i thought my clients with squeeze were bad :) | 19:13 |
| dzho | squeeze-lts ftw | 19:13 |
| thafreak | eh, I'm going to re-install them, just haven't yet | 19:14 |
| dzho | I *like* slow release cycles. | 19:14 |
| dzho | debian makes me more sad with every day | 19:14 |
| dzho | them and firefox | 19:14 |
| thafreak | one is squeeze + xen hypervisor for running vm's :( | 19:14 |
| thafreak | how come? | 19:14 |
| dzho | because they're getting caught up in the brogrammer aesthetic | 19:14 |
| dzho | change change change! | 19:15 |
| dzho | I mean, ok, if they were shipping on tablets and cell phones I could see it being a thing, but the fact is, they aren't, but others are, and those others are what is driving the bus. | 19:15 |
| Unit193 | Use Xfce, dzho. :P | 19:16 |
| dzho | one of my precise boxes uses xfce | 19:16 |
| thafreak | i like gnome...and what I know is, gnome and all the stuff i used on trusty, is much nicer so far on jessie | 19:16 |
| Unit193 | I mean with 4.12, it's nice, but not going the way of GNOME. | 19:16 |
| dzho | I played around with it on a laptop but decided that it was a worst-of-both-worlds experience there | 19:16 |
| dzho | like, you get all the hassle of the *kits still being there and trying to run things, without the integration with them necessary to make it mostly just work. | 19:17 |
| Unit193 | Did you try Xubuntu? | 19:17 |
| dzho | I think so | 19:17 |
| dzho | no way in hell I'm going to do this by picking and choosing packages, I think it was just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | 19:18 |
| Unit193 | Nono, apt-get install xubuntu-core^ on utopic or newer, and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^ on older. | 19:19 |
| dzho | utopic. let me stop you right there. | 19:20 |
| thafreak | i'm upgrading to coreos and then just run gnome in docker ;) | 19:20 |
| Unit193 | I'm sorry for you, thafreak. | 19:21 |
| thafreak | don't be...i live in containers anymore anyway | 19:22 |
| Unit193 | I meant GNOME! :----D | 19:22 |
| thafreak | hey, i tried and keep trying everything...gnome is my favorite...not sure why | 19:23 |
| Unit193 | I... Nope, not going there. | 19:23 |
| dzho | thafreak: https://twitter.com/ryan_sb/status/600703971657850880 | 19:23 |
| jenni | [ Ryan Brown on Twitter: "At the #OpenStackSummit keynote: SAY DOCKER ONE MORE TIME http://t.co/w2RUALwYzP" ] - https://j.mp/1HfpQT6 | 19:24 |
| thafreak | i don't tknow...some people like pork rinds...some people think they're disgusting | 19:24 |
| thafreak | lol | 19:24 |
| thafreak | yeah i know | 19:24 |
| Unit193 | thafreak: No, I was joking about not going into the whole "GNOME doesn't care about anyone but GNOME, and if you're not doing it their way you're wrong" thing. | 19:24 |
| thafreak | ah, yeah, well you'll have that...it's how most communities are | 19:25 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, but when GNOME3 disables customization and controls GTK3? It's not good. :/ | 19:26 |
| thafreak | ah, who's using gtk3? not just mate (or cinnamon, i forget which is which) | 19:27 |
| thafreak | is xfce on gtk3? | 19:27 |
| Unit193 | Working on it, but it's hard as everything is deprecated because "Oh, we're not using that anymore"... | 19:27 |
| thafreak | didn't gtk2 get forked with gnome2? | 19:28 |
| Unit193 | Nope, and MATE is even moving towards GTK3. | 19:29 |
| thafreak | huh... | 19:29 |
| thafreak | speaking of alternatives...anyone try razor-qt? | 19:29 |
| Unit193 | I'm noticed missing features as things upgrade to GTK3, remmina is pretty crappy now, even. Razor-qt merged with LXQt. | 19:29 |
| Unit193 | Best place to check it out is Siduction. | 19:30 |
| thafreak | lxqt? is that lxde using qt or something? | 19:33 |
| Unit193 | Well, basically. | 19:33 |
| Unit193 | http://lxqt.org/ has shots. | 19:37 |
| jenni | [ LXQt - The Lightweight Qt Desktop Environment ] - http://lxqt.org | 19:37 |
| thafreak | interesting | 19:38 |
| Unit193 | Kind of looks like KDE3. | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | Also, looking into Nikola for sites, it's pretty awesome actually. | 19:43 |
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