[18:49] guys, guys, GUYS [18:49] I have a decision to make. [18:50] (this is the gender inclusive "guys" fwiw) [18:50] * Unit193 presumed. [18:50] :-) [18:50] I've used the term "dude" or other when only talking to my sister. :P [18:50] none of the GNU screen instances I currently am using are fully emoji-compliant [18:50] Yey! [18:51] Also, sure it's not the font? [18:51] pretty sure, yeah. [18:51] well, apt-get install ttf-ancient-fonts takes care of that, mostly [18:52] packages.ubuntu.com/ttf-ancient-fonts [18:53] So, emojification didn't come to GNU screen until v 4.2 or thereabouts [18:53] and 4.2 didn't come to ubuntu until utopic, and to Debian until jessie. [18:53] and I'm not ready to go to either. [18:54] So, the decision is: Stick with screen, but build a local copy of 4.2 and use that? Add trusty-backports (on Ubuntu) so that I can get 4.2 that way? Or switch to tmux? [18:55] so I know it's not the font because tests indicate it works in tmux so long as I have that font package [18:55] Ah right, I questioned that as I'm using screen, and while someone complained that they were unable to see one, I could. However, I am using 4.2. [18:56] which OS release? [18:56] Trusty/stretch. [18:56] stretch? [18:57] Debian testing. [18:57] oh. [18:58] System: Host: Loki Kernel: 3.16.0-4-686-pae i686 (32 bit) Console: tty [18:58] Distro: Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid [18:58] * Ukikie waves to dzho! [18:58] I had missed the naming announcement https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html [18:58] [ Release Team Sprint Results ] - https://j.mp/1FsohUZ [18:58] heh [18:58] stretch, and then buster [18:58] Mhmm. [19:04] this came to a head with Friday's xkcd [19:07] 💀 - ⚡️ - and I'm having ☕️ [19:07] 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿 🙀 one of those fail for you? [19:10] 19:09 < Unit193> � - ⚡️ - and I'm having ☕️ [19:10] 19:10 < Unit193> � � � � � � � � � one of those fail for you? [19:10] dzho: upgrade to debian jessie :) [19:11] dzho: Yes, add backports. [19:11] jessie [19:11] :-P [19:11] * dzho throws a ⚡️ at thafreak [19:11] thafreak: He's on trusty, I believe. [19:11] oh, by upgrade, i mean re-install with jessie :) [19:12] and an SSD [19:12] still on precise, even, on some things, trusty on others, squeeze on others, and wheezy on others. [19:12] Jessie will soon be outdated though, if it isn't already. :( [19:12] wow [19:12] still way too soon for me to go to jessie for almost anything yet [19:12] jessie has better stuff than trusty for now [19:12] dude, there's a behind-a-firewall-and-on-a-private-network system I just moved up from hardy [19:13] well...kvm/libvirt et al [19:13] I used the hell out of do-release-upgrade there for a while [19:13] i thought my clients with squeeze were bad :) [19:13] squeeze-lts ftw [19:14] eh, I'm going to re-install them, just haven't yet [19:14] I *like* slow release cycles. [19:14] debian makes me more sad with every day [19:14] them and firefox [19:14] one is squeeze + xen hypervisor for running vm's :( [19:14] how come? [19:14] because they're getting caught up in the brogrammer aesthetic [19:15] change change change! [19:15] I mean, ok, if they were shipping on tablets and cell phones I could see it being a thing, but the fact is, they aren't, but others are, and those others are what is driving the bus. [19:16] Use Xfce, dzho. :P [19:16] one of my precise boxes uses xfce [19:16] i like gnome...and what I know is, gnome and all the stuff i used on trusty, is much nicer so far on jessie [19:16] I mean with 4.12, it's nice, but not going the way of GNOME. [19:16] I played around with it on a laptop but decided that it was a worst-of-both-worlds experience there [19:17] like, you get all the hassle of the *kits still being there and trying to run things, without the integration with them necessary to make it mostly just work. [19:17] Did you try Xubuntu? [19:17] I think so [19:18] no way in hell I'm going to do this by picking and choosing packages, I think it was just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [19:19] Nono, apt-get install xubuntu-core^ on utopic or newer, and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^ on older. [19:20] utopic. let me stop you right there. [19:20] i'm upgrading to coreos and then just run gnome in docker ;) [19:21] I'm sorry for you, thafreak. [19:22] don't be...i live in containers anymore anyway [19:22] I meant GNOME! :----D [19:23] hey, i tried and keep trying everything...gnome is my favorite...not sure why [19:23] I... Nope, not going there. [19:23] thafreak: https://twitter.com/ryan_sb/status/600703971657850880 [19:24] [ Ryan Brown on Twitter: "At the #OpenStackSummit keynote: SAY DOCKER ONE MORE TIME http://t.co/w2RUALwYzP" ] - https://j.mp/1HfpQT6 [19:24] i don't tknow...some people like pork rinds...some people think they're disgusting [19:24] lol [19:24] yeah i know [19:24] thafreak: No, I was joking about not going into the whole "GNOME doesn't care about anyone but GNOME, and if you're not doing it their way you're wrong" thing. [19:25] ah, yeah, well you'll have that...it's how most communities are [19:26] Yeah, but when GNOME3 disables customization and controls GTK3? It's not good. :/ [19:27] ah, who's using gtk3? not just mate (or cinnamon, i forget which is which) [19:27] is xfce on gtk3? [19:27] Working on it, but it's hard as everything is deprecated because "Oh, we're not using that anymore"... [19:28] didn't gtk2 get forked with gnome2? [19:29] Nope, and MATE is even moving towards GTK3. [19:29] huh... [19:29] speaking of alternatives...anyone try razor-qt? [19:29] I'm noticed missing features as things upgrade to GTK3, remmina is pretty crappy now, even. Razor-qt merged with LXQt. [19:30] Best place to check it out is Siduction. [19:33] lxqt? is that lxde using qt or something? [19:33] Well, basically. [19:37] http://lxqt.org/ has shots. [19:37] [ LXQt - The Lightweight Qt Desktop Environment ] - http://lxqt.org [19:38] interesting [19:41] Kind of looks like KDE3. [19:43] Also, looking into Nikola for sites, it's pretty awesome actually.