[18:49] <dzho> guys, guys, GUYS
[18:49] <dzho> I have a decision to make.
[18:50] <dzho> (this is the gender inclusive "guys" fwiw)
[18:50]  * Unit193 presumed.
[18:50] <dzho> :-)
[18:50] <Unit193> I've used the term "dude" or other when only talking to my sister. :P
[18:50] <dzho> none of the GNU screen instances I currently am using are fully emoji-compliant
[18:50] <Unit193> Yey!
[18:51] <Unit193> Also, sure it's not the font?
[18:51] <dzho> pretty sure, yeah.
[18:51] <dzho> well, apt-get install ttf-ancient-fonts takes care of that, mostly
[18:52] <dzho> packages.ubuntu.com/ttf-ancient-fonts
[18:53] <dzho> So, emojification didn't come to GNU screen until v 4.2 or thereabouts
[18:53] <dzho> and 4.2 didn't come to ubuntu until utopic, and to Debian until jessie.
[18:53] <dzho> and I'm not ready to go to either.
[18:54] <dzho> So, the decision is:  Stick with screen, but build a local copy of 4.2 and use that?  Add trusty-backports (on Ubuntu) so that I can get 4.2 that way?  Or switch to tmux?
[18:55] <dzho> so I know it's not the font because tests indicate it works in tmux so long as I have that font package
[18:55] <Unit193> Ah right, I questioned that as I'm using screen, and while someone complained that they were unable to see one, I could.  However, I am using 4.2.
[18:56] <dzho> which OS release?
[18:56] <Unit193> Trusty/stretch.
[18:56] <dzho> stretch?
[18:57] <Unit193> Debian testing.
[18:57] <dzho> oh.
[18:58] <Ukikie> System:    Host: Loki Kernel: 3.16.0-4-686-pae i686 (32 bit) Console: tty
[18:58] <Ukikie>            Distro: Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid
[18:58]  * Ukikie waves to dzho!
[18:58] <dzho> I had missed the naming announcement https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html
[18:58] <jenni> [ Release Team Sprint Results ] - https://j.mp/1FsohUZ
[18:58] <dzho> heh
[18:58] <dzho> stretch, and then buster
[18:58] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[19:04] <dzho> this came to a head with Friday's xkcd
[19:07] <Unit193> 💀 - ⚡️ - and I'm having ☕️
[19:07] <Unit193> 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿 🙀   one of those fail for you?
[19:10] <dzho> 19:09 < Unit193> � - ⚡️ - and I'm having ☕️
[19:10] <dzho> 19:10 < Unit193> � � � � � � � � �   one of those fail for you?
[19:10] <thafreak> dzho: upgrade to debian jessie :)
[19:11] <Unit193> dzho: Yes, add backports.
[19:11] <thafreak> jessie
[19:11] <thafreak> :-P
[19:11]  * dzho throws a ⚡️  at thafreak 
[19:11] <Unit193> thafreak: He's on trusty, I believe.
[19:11] <thafreak> oh, by upgrade, i mean re-install with jessie :)
[19:12] <thafreak> and an SSD
[19:12] <dzho> still on precise, even, on some things, trusty on others, squeeze on others, and wheezy on others.
[19:12] <Unit193> Jessie will soon be outdated though, if it isn't already. :(
[19:12] <thafreak> wow
[19:12] <dzho> still way too soon for me to go to jessie for almost anything yet
[19:12] <thafreak> jessie has better stuff than trusty for now
[19:12] <dzho> dude, there's a behind-a-firewall-and-on-a-private-network system I just moved up from hardy 
[19:13] <thafreak> well...kvm/libvirt et al
[19:13] <dzho> I used the hell out of do-release-upgrade there for a while
[19:13] <thafreak> i thought my clients with squeeze were bad :)
[19:13] <dzho> squeeze-lts ftw
[19:14] <thafreak> eh, I'm going to re-install them, just haven't yet
[19:14] <dzho> I *like* slow release cycles.
[19:14] <dzho> debian makes me more sad with every day
[19:14] <dzho> them and firefox
[19:14] <thafreak> one is squeeze + xen hypervisor for running vm's :(
[19:14] <thafreak> how come?
[19:14] <dzho> because they're getting caught up in the brogrammer aesthetic
[19:15] <dzho> change change change!
[19:15] <dzho> I mean, ok, if they were shipping on tablets and cell phones I could see it being a thing, but the fact is, they aren't, but others are, and those others are what is driving the bus.
[19:16] <Unit193> Use Xfce, dzho. :P
[19:16] <dzho> one of my precise boxes uses xfce
[19:16] <thafreak> i like gnome...and what I know is, gnome and all the stuff i used on trusty, is much nicer so far on jessie
[19:16] <Unit193> I mean with 4.12, it's nice, but not going the way of GNOME.
[19:16] <dzho> I played around with it on a laptop but decided that it was a worst-of-both-worlds experience there
[19:17] <dzho> like, you get all the hassle of the *kits still being there and trying to run things, without the integration with them necessary to make it mostly just work.
[19:17] <Unit193> Did you try Xubuntu?
[19:17] <dzho> I think so
[19:18] <dzho> no way in hell I'm going to do this by picking and choosing packages, I think it was just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[19:19] <Unit193> Nono,  apt-get install xubuntu-core^ on utopic or newer, and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^ on older.
[19:20] <dzho> utopic.  let me stop you right there.
[19:20] <thafreak> i'm upgrading to coreos and then just run gnome in docker ;)
[19:21] <Unit193> I'm sorry for you, thafreak.
[19:22] <thafreak> don't be...i live in containers anymore anyway
[19:22] <Unit193> I meant GNOME! :----D
[19:23] <thafreak> hey, i tried and keep trying everything...gnome is my favorite...not sure why
[19:23] <Unit193> I... Nope, not going there.
[19:23] <dzho> thafreak: https://twitter.com/ryan_sb/status/600703971657850880
[19:24] <jenni> [ Ryan Brown on Twitter: "At the #OpenStackSummit keynote: SAY DOCKER ONE MORE TIME http://t.co/w2RUALwYzP" ] - https://j.mp/1HfpQT6
[19:24] <thafreak> i don't tknow...some people like pork rinds...some people think they're disgusting
[19:24] <thafreak> lol
[19:24] <thafreak> yeah i know
[19:24] <Unit193> thafreak: No, I was joking about not going into the whole "GNOME doesn't care about anyone but GNOME, and if you're not doing it their way you're wrong" thing.
[19:25] <thafreak> ah, yeah, well you'll have that...it's how most communities are
[19:26] <Unit193> Yeah, but when GNOME3 disables customization and controls GTK3?  It's not good. :/
[19:27] <thafreak> ah, who's using gtk3? not just mate (or cinnamon, i forget which is which)
[19:27] <thafreak> is xfce on gtk3?
[19:27] <Unit193> Working on it, but it's hard as everything is deprecated because "Oh, we're not using that anymore"...
[19:28] <thafreak> didn't gtk2 get forked with gnome2?
[19:29] <Unit193> Nope, and MATE is even moving towards GTK3.
[19:29] <thafreak> huh...
[19:29] <thafreak> speaking of alternatives...anyone try razor-qt?
[19:29] <Unit193> I'm noticed missing features as things upgrade to GTK3, remmina is pretty crappy now, even.  Razor-qt merged with LXQt.
[19:30] <Unit193> Best place to check it out is Siduction.
[19:33] <thafreak> lxqt? is that lxde using qt or something?
[19:33] <Unit193> Well, basically.
[19:37] <Unit193> http://lxqt.org/ has shots.
[19:37] <jenni> [ LXQt - The Lightweight Qt Desktop Environment ] - http://lxqt.org
[19:38] <thafreak> interesting
[19:41] <Unit193> Kind of looks like KDE3.
[19:43] <Unit193> Also, looking into Nikola for sites, it's pretty awesome actually.