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* Etriaph is torn.00:41
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soeegood morning06:21
shadeslayervalorie: yeah, just because of BttF08:18
valorieBttF?08:23
* valorie is missing context08:23
shadeslayerBack to the future08:23
shadeslayerFeatured a time travelling delorean08:23
valorieah, right08:24
valoriesorry, that was hours ago08:24
valorielol08:24
shadeslayerUnfortunately not bigger on the inside08:24
valorieha!08:24
shadeslayervalorie: yeah, I just saw that08:24
sitterRiddell: CI all red still :|09:37
sitteractually when I say still I mean its even more red now 09:37
Riddellsitter: hmm, I'm kindae on another-project day today09:46
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sgclarkmorning11:32
sgclarksitter: Riddell how can I help11:33
sittersgclark: not at all right now. something blew up in docker. apparently it doesn't take too kindly to an ever growing list of images and containers ^^11:38
sgclarkack11:38
swizgardkfileplaces/user-places/the-left-hand-side-of-dolphin seems to be broken in that folder drag&dropped there don't persist11:44
swizgardediting ~/.local/share/user-places.xbel directly works, though11:45
swizgardshall i file bug report in kubuntu or kde?11:45
sittershadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11244074/ very sad panda :(12:33
shadeslayeraw12:35
BluesKajHi folks13:16
soeehiho BluesKaj13:38
soeehow WIly works with 15.04.1 ?13:39
BluesKajsoee, do you mean plasma 5.3?13:41
soeeBluesKaj: apps13:42
BluesKajWily is 15.10, but a lot of the apps are the same versions, and yes they run fine so far, even better than on Vivivd in some cases13:44
BluesKajmore stable , fewer crashes 13:44
BluesKajjust installed a new kernel version, have to reboot13:47
bkerensaRiddell: Oh hi!14:03
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* Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/05/20/protocols-plugfest-europe-2015/16:06
bkerensaRiddell: I keep dreaming of KDE doing an event in Portland16:07
EtriaphG'day folks.16:16
sgclarkbkerensa: well we were at LFNW :) not home but close lol16:32
sgclarkwell closer then europe anyway16:32
ovidiu-florinis folderview disabled in 15.04?16:39
ovidiu-florinnot the widget16:39
ovidiu-florinthe desktoppp layout16:39
Riddellit's not the default but you can easily change to it16:40
Riddellthat's always been the case in plasma16:41
yofelhere the Layout option is greyed out...16:41
Riddelloh? I used it only yesterday16:41
yofelwth16:41
Riddellyep Layout -> folder view works for me, Plasma 5.316:41
yofeloh, you need to "Unlock Widgets"16:41
yofelincredible unintuitive16:41
bkerensasgclark: I mean KDE hosting an actual meetup like they do in europe16:41
bkerensasgclark: this way we can have Kubuntu donuts16:42
bkerensa:D16:42
sgclarkyeah would be nice16:42
yofelkubuntu donuts <316:42
yofelsend some over ^^16:42
Sho_gear shaped donuts?16:42
Riddellthere's only a few places in the world with enough critical mass to do that, a few cities in europe and washington dc used to as well16:45
bkerensayofel: http://cdn.benjaminkerensa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_20121211_133013-300x225.jpg16:47
bkerensa^ I had those made16:47
sgclarkhmm dunno about that, our booth was quite popular here on the west coast16:48
yofel*drool*16:48
bkerensaRiddell: well Portland is one of the largest Open Source cities in the world so I think we qualify16:48
sgclarkwhat bkerensa said ^^16:48
bkerensaRiddell: we have one of the largest Open Source conferences in the world here because it wouldnt do well elsewhere16:48
sgclarkwe rock!16:48
bkerensawe must have at least 20-25% of the worlds open source devs here ;)16:48
bkerensaLinus right across the river16:49
bkerensawell actually I guess I live on the same side of the river as Linus now16:49
ovidiu-florinthank you yofel and Riddell17:21
KDDAhi BluesKaj17:34
BluesKajhi KDDA17:36
KDDAdoing good?17:36
BluesKajyup, and you ?17:36
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KDDAyeah, just been busy!18:04
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RiddellKDDA: do you have some time tomorrow to carry on packaging?19:14
soeehiho19:45
KDDAwhat kind of time tomorrow?20:08
KDDARiddell: ping20:08
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RiddellKdda yo?20:34
KDDAyo yo20:34
KDDAwhen are you free tomorrow?20:36
KDDAand how far into the lesson are we? 10%?20:37
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ahoneybunare their any Kubuntu stickers/DVD avaiable?22:20
shadeslayerahoneybun: not that I know of22:26
shadeslayerwe have shirts/jackets22:26
ahoneybunshadeslayer: I ask because I'm going to SELF and we would like some Kubuntu stuff for the booth22:29
shadeslayerahoneybun: possibly you could get some printed locally?22:29
shadeslayerand request money from the donations fund for those?22:29
ahoneybunI've been meaning to make a few DVDs myself22:29
ahoneybunupdated for the newest release22:30
KDDAwhat are the DVD's, install?22:30
ahoneybunyea22:31
ahoneybunI would love to do USB's but those are much more money22:31
* ahoneybun is falling mad in love with git over lp22:34
soeewhop :) this friday new MadMax in cinemas22:37
shadeslayerlol22:50
ahoneybunthought that came out last friday?22:50
soeenot here in Poland :)22:51
ahoneybunoh in the US it is out22:51
shadeslayer^ movies can have different release dates in different countries22:51
shadeslayermost odd thing ever22:51
soeeyeah :D22:51
shadeslayerahoneybun: one of the priviliges of living in the US22:51
shadeslayeramongst other things like the NSA22:51
shadeslayer;)22:51
ahoneybunXD22:52
valorieahoneybun: I can send you the ones I have left22:56
valoriewhen do you leave for SELF?22:57
valoriethese are the stickers left from those Jussi mailed me a year or so ago22:57
ahoneybunJune 11 is the day before and the driver wants to drive at night so June 11 I think22:57
valorieok, that's plenty of time22:58
valoriejust PM me your mailing address22:58
ahoneybunI would be very greatful for anything you can send valorie :)22:58
ahoneybunvalorie: while your around I want you to look at this: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.rst22:59
ahoneybunI feel real crapy going over the docs since I have found 2 dead links so far23:01
ahoneybunI also found this ugly page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting23:05
valoriewell, links die23:06
valorieit's like a garden: weeds grow23:06
valoriewoah, that is one ugly page indeed23:07
valoriesurely we can do better and just make a redirect from that ugly thing23:07
KDDAonly 6 years old23:08
ahoneybunvalorie: just started on this the other day: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute/BugReporting23:09
valorieI'll be back as soon as I've aquired moar coffee23:09
ahoneybunok23:09
valorieahoneybun: good start, but we need better screenies -- it helps to do them on a clean white desktop23:13
valorieif nothing else, put a plain kate page expanded behind23:14
ahoneybuntrue valorie23:22
ahoneybunno comment on my github?23:22
valorieis this meant to be a replacement for the present docs, or what?23:23
valorieI'm rather anti-github except for outside projects23:24
ahoneybunvalorie: it is a demo atm for a greater project23:25
ahoneybunhave all the projects docs to use 1-2 languages and host on LP23:25
ahoneybungithub was easier atm since I don't have the keys and such setup on this machine (had to reinstall)23:25
ahoneybunusing the current system we can export to HTML, PDF, and ePub with finer control then though the admins at KDE23:26
ahoneybunvalorie: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/docs/basic.rst23:27
valorieok23:30
valoriesee what I'm saying in that screenie though?23:30
valorieit shows your background instead of a shadow23:31
valorieand looks cut off on the left23:31
ahoneybunvalorie: yea I see23:31
valoriealso rather large23:31
valoriein general I prefer small images that you can click for larger if you need it23:32
valorieesp. if people are consulting the docs on their phones23:32
valorieahoneybun: are you making new pages, or bringing in our old ones?23:32
ahoneybunvalorie: coping from our current ones, making fixes as I see 23:34
ahoneybunhttps://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute/BugReporting#Reporting_bugs betteR?23:34
valoriecool23:35
ahoneybungood23:35
valorieI very much want us to have a "write once, deploy everywhere" system23:35
valoriekeeping pages up-to-date in more than one place never works23:35
ahoneybunvalorie: I propose using 1-2 langs to write the docs and host them in one place (maybe 2 with git if we agree)23:36
ahoneybunwith Sphinx we can23:36
ahoneybunhttp://sphinx-doc.org/23:36
valoriehttps://userbase.kde.org/Taking_Screenshots has the proper workflow23:37
valorieyes, I looked at sphinx before23:37
ahoneybunvalorie: LaTeX: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.tex ; RST: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.rst23:37
ahoneybunI created the RST file and then used pandoc to conver to LaTeX23:38
ahoneybun*convert23:38
valoriethe reason I originally started work on the ubuntu wiki was so that we could work on docs without the rigmarole of docbook+launchpad23:38
valoriethe reason I wanted us to move to the KDE wiki is that Ubuntu wiki was impossible to work in23:38
ahoneybunthe thing I have to solve/find new way, is to present the Docs on the system23:39
valorieif we move to somewhere besides the KDE wiki, that is ok with me as long as it is easy for people to contribute23:39
ahoneybunKHelp uses DocBook, though pandoc can convert DocBook23:39
valorieand we have one set of working docs23:39
ahoneybunwell 2, Non-LTS, LTS23:39
valorieand one for each release which do not change unless errors are found23:39
valorieno, ONE set of working docs23:40
valoriethe rest are released23:40
ahoneybunok23:40
valorieright, we were generating the release from the working docs23:41
valorieas you should know, because you did all that work23:41
valorie:-)23:41
ahoneybunWorking Docs = Current, Release Docs = FREEZE23:41
valorieyou have become the expert, and I will support your decisions23:41
valorieright23:42
ahoneybunhardly think I'm a expert XD23:42
valoriealthough it should be possible to fix any errors that come through somehow23:42
valorieahoneybun: you are doing the work, so you ARE the expert23:42
ahoneybunvalorie: the way to get fixed was going to use the LP bug system23:42
ahoneybuna user files a bug against the manual, contributors fix said bug23:42
valoriecool23:43
EtriaphIt'd be cool if it could be distributed with Git with versioning.23:43
valorieso you are now calling the docs a manual?23:43
ahoneybunbest way other then using a Wiki23:43
valoriesure23:43
ahoneybunI'm following the name sceme of the Ubuntu Manual and Lubuntu Manual23:43
valoriewe wrote the frameworks book in git, using markdown23:43
valoriethat wasn't hard even for me23:44
valoriein fact, easier than using the wiki23:44
ahoneybunI want the projects to use similiar tools so we can work better together23:44
EtriaphYa, MD is pretty happy when it comes to writing docs.23:44
ahoneybunand that includes using the same terms ex. Manual to Docs23:44
valorieahoneybun: I will support your decisions, and learn to work in the suggested workflow23:45
ahoneybunvalorie: also having the manual on LP lets users download the whole thing for offline use 23:45
Etriaphvalorie: Do you happen to know the process I would have to go through to suggest a support system in the KDE project?23:45
ahoneybunand fixes23:45
valorieI suggest a plan documented somewhere though, perhaps on the community wiki and an email to kubuntu-devel23:45
Etriaphsupport/architecture idea23:45
ahoneybunvalorie: have you seen my slideshow talking about my plan?23:46
valorieEtriaph: can you say more about what you mean?23:46
ahoneybunsomeone from the Ubuntu Server Manual wants to move to RST from LaTeX as well23:46
valorieahoneybun: no, I don't think so23:46
ahoneybunhe is the one who told me about pandoc23:46
valoriewhat is RST?23:46
valorieI am so not down with LaTeX23:47
ahoneybunrestructuecttext23:47
ahoneybunwrong spelling23:47
ahoneybunhttp://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html23:47
valorieI'm not working on a Ph.D, so I will not be using LaTeX23:47
ahoneybunI think it is very close to Wiki lang23:47
valoriewhy RST rather than markdown?23:48
Etriaphvalorie: 85% of the apps I use on my desktop are KDE-based, but they all store look and feel elements separately.  For example, Konversation allows you to specify colours but not to save them as a set.  I want to have a conversation about an idea to contain the data for all apps in a centralized "Presentation" system.23:48
ahoneybunSphinx uses it23:48
ahoneybunthat provides the HTML, PDF exporting23:49
valorieI'm not seeing where Sphinx comes into the process23:49
valoriegit itself can do that from markdown23:49
Etriaphvalorie: Once centrally stored, the data can be transformed from version to version, easing migration from one KDE version (or app version) to the next with respect to presentation settings.23:49
ahoneybunvalorie: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing23:49
ahoneybunI've been learning it and like it lol23:49
valorieahoneybun: "Current Setup" is missing a list element for Xubuntu23:50
ahoneybunhttp://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html23:50
ahoneybunit is just weird looking on Drive23:51
ahoneybunit is fine in the ODP23:51
valorieok23:51
valoriethis looks very similar to markdown23:52
ahoneybunyea23:52
valoriehowever, I hope you will take a close look at just using markdown23:52
valoriehelp.md and such are standard all over KDE23:53
valorieEtriaph: why not talk to the Konvi people about your ideas?23:53
* ahoneybun looks to see if pandoc supports md23:53
valoriefind an application team that is willing to give it a whirl, and talk it up23:53
ahoneybunit supports it23:54
Etriaphvalorie: I'd like to try and built it into KDE so that all apps can delegate storage of their presentation settings into a central system.23:54
valoriethe thing about KDE applications is that most of them are rather independent23:54
valorieI understand, and think it is a good idea23:54
Etriaphvalorie: Yup, but they do share code.23:54
valoriehowever, you need buyin from at least one team to get the ball rolling23:54
ahoneybunwait23:55
ahoneybunSphinx support markdown23:55
valoriemost of the teams right now are either recovering from porting to frameworks and then Qt523:55
valorieor in the middle of the effort23:55
ahoneybunI just could not get anything to work in their system with it23:55
Etriaphvalorie: Yup, I know, I guess I just need to know who I should contact to get the ball rolling on the discussion.23:55
valorie #konversation might be a good place23:56
EtriaphIt won't happen quick, I'm aware of that :D23:56
valorieor their list, even better23:56
EtriaphOK.23:56
ahoneybunor both lol23:56
valorieright23:56
Etriaph#konversation is usually pretty dead :D23:56
valoriedepends on the hour23:56
EtriaphNot always, but usually23:56
* Etriaph nods23:56
valoriemost of the devels are europeans23:56
valorievery helpful team though23:57
* ahoneybun just saw that he is not in #libreoffice-qa !23:57
EtriaphOh noes!23:57
EtriaphI <3 Libre Office23:57
* ahoneybun <3 <3 <3 LibreOffice23:57
ahoneybunI'm using it to make my slideshow23:58
Etriaphbrb, children need tending23:58
ahoneybunvalorie: I'll look at MD for sure, but I think my ideas are solid, and I have some support from the Lubuntu and Ubuntu Docs team as well23:58
valoriegreat!23:59
ahoneybunwant to know the name of my talk?23:59
valorieI'm still happy we moved off Ubuntu wiki23:59
valoriesure23:59
* ahoneybun is too23:59
ahoneybunDocumentation: A Unified Approach23:59
valoriecool23:59

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