* Etriaph is torn. | 00:41 | |
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soee | good morning | 06:21 |
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shadeslayer | valorie: yeah, just because of BttF | 08:18 |
valorie | BttF? | 08:23 |
* valorie is missing context | 08:23 | |
shadeslayer | Back to the future | 08:23 |
shadeslayer | Featured a time travelling delorean | 08:23 |
valorie | ah, right | 08:24 |
valorie | sorry, that was hours ago | 08:24 |
valorie | lol | 08:24 |
shadeslayer | Unfortunately not bigger on the inside | 08:24 |
valorie | ha! | 08:24 |
shadeslayer | valorie: yeah, I just saw that | 08:24 |
sitter | Riddell: CI all red still :| | 09:37 |
sitter | actually when I say still I mean its even more red now | 09:37 |
Riddell | sitter: hmm, I'm kindae on another-project day today | 09:46 |
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sgclark | morning | 11:32 |
sgclark | sitter: Riddell how can I help | 11:33 |
sitter | sgclark: not at all right now. something blew up in docker. apparently it doesn't take too kindly to an ever growing list of images and containers ^^ | 11:38 |
sgclark | ack | 11:38 |
swizgard | kfileplaces/user-places/the-left-hand-side-of-dolphin seems to be broken in that folder drag&dropped there don't persist | 11:44 |
swizgard | editing ~/.local/share/user-places.xbel directly works, though | 11:45 |
swizgard | shall i file bug report in kubuntu or kde? | 11:45 |
sitter | shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11244074/ very sad panda :( | 12:33 |
shadeslayer | aw | 12:35 |
BluesKaj | Hi folks | 13:16 |
soee | hiho BluesKaj | 13:38 |
soee | how WIly works with 15.04.1 ? | 13:39 |
BluesKaj | soee, do you mean plasma 5.3? | 13:41 |
soee | BluesKaj: apps | 13:42 |
BluesKaj | Wily is 15.10, but a lot of the apps are the same versions, and yes they run fine so far, even better than on Vivivd in some cases | 13:44 |
BluesKaj | more stable , fewer crashes | 13:44 |
BluesKaj | just installed a new kernel version, have to reboot | 13:47 |
bkerensa | Riddell: Oh hi! | 14:03 |
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* Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/05/20/protocols-plugfest-europe-2015/ | 16:06 | |
bkerensa | Riddell: I keep dreaming of KDE doing an event in Portland | 16:07 |
Etriaph | G'day folks. | 16:16 |
sgclark | bkerensa: well we were at LFNW :) not home but close lol | 16:32 |
sgclark | well closer then europe anyway | 16:32 |
ovidiu-florin | is folderview disabled in 15.04? | 16:39 |
ovidiu-florin | not the widget | 16:39 |
ovidiu-florin | the desktoppp layout | 16:39 |
Riddell | it's not the default but you can easily change to it | 16:40 |
Riddell | that's always been the case in plasma | 16:41 |
yofel | here the Layout option is greyed out... | 16:41 |
Riddell | oh? I used it only yesterday | 16:41 |
yofel | wth | 16:41 |
Riddell | yep Layout -> folder view works for me, Plasma 5.3 | 16:41 |
yofel | oh, you need to "Unlock Widgets" | 16:41 |
yofel | incredible unintuitive | 16:41 |
bkerensa | sgclark: I mean KDE hosting an actual meetup like they do in europe | 16:41 |
bkerensa | sgclark: this way we can have Kubuntu donuts | 16:42 |
bkerensa | :D | 16:42 |
sgclark | yeah would be nice | 16:42 |
yofel | kubuntu donuts <3 | 16:42 |
yofel | send some over ^^ | 16:42 |
Sho_ | gear shaped donuts? | 16:42 |
Riddell | there's only a few places in the world with enough critical mass to do that, a few cities in europe and washington dc used to as well | 16:45 |
bkerensa | yofel: http://cdn.benjaminkerensa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_20121211_133013-300x225.jpg | 16:47 |
bkerensa | ^ I had those made | 16:47 |
sgclark | hmm dunno about that, our booth was quite popular here on the west coast | 16:48 |
yofel | *drool* | 16:48 |
bkerensa | Riddell: well Portland is one of the largest Open Source cities in the world so I think we qualify | 16:48 |
sgclark | what bkerensa said ^^ | 16:48 |
bkerensa | Riddell: we have one of the largest Open Source conferences in the world here because it wouldnt do well elsewhere | 16:48 |
sgclark | we rock! | 16:48 |
bkerensa | we must have at least 20-25% of the worlds open source devs here ;) | 16:48 |
bkerensa | Linus right across the river | 16:49 |
bkerensa | well actually I guess I live on the same side of the river as Linus now | 16:49 |
ovidiu-florin | thank you yofel and Riddell | 17:21 |
KDDA | hi BluesKaj | 17:34 |
BluesKaj | hi KDDA | 17:36 |
KDDA | doing good? | 17:36 |
BluesKaj | yup, and you ? | 17:36 |
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KDDA | yeah, just been busy! | 18:04 |
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Riddell | KDDA: do you have some time tomorrow to carry on packaging? | 19:14 |
soee | hiho | 19:45 |
KDDA | what kind of time tomorrow? | 20:08 |
KDDA | Riddell: ping | 20:08 |
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Riddell | Kdda yo? | 20:34 |
KDDA | yo yo | 20:34 |
KDDA | when are you free tomorrow? | 20:36 |
KDDA | and how far into the lesson are we? 10%? | 20:37 |
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ahoneybun | are their any Kubuntu stickers/DVD avaiable? | 22:20 |
shadeslayer | ahoneybun: not that I know of | 22:26 |
shadeslayer | we have shirts/jackets | 22:26 |
ahoneybun | shadeslayer: I ask because I'm going to SELF and we would like some Kubuntu stuff for the booth | 22:29 |
shadeslayer | ahoneybun: possibly you could get some printed locally? | 22:29 |
shadeslayer | and request money from the donations fund for those? | 22:29 |
ahoneybun | I've been meaning to make a few DVDs myself | 22:29 |
ahoneybun | updated for the newest release | 22:30 |
KDDA | what are the DVD's, install? | 22:30 |
ahoneybun | yea | 22:31 |
ahoneybun | I would love to do USB's but those are much more money | 22:31 |
* ahoneybun is falling mad in love with git over lp | 22:34 | |
soee | whop :) this friday new MadMax in cinemas | 22:37 |
shadeslayer | lol | 22:50 |
ahoneybun | thought that came out last friday? | 22:50 |
soee | not here in Poland :) | 22:51 |
ahoneybun | oh in the US it is out | 22:51 |
shadeslayer | ^ movies can have different release dates in different countries | 22:51 |
shadeslayer | most odd thing ever | 22:51 |
soee | yeah :D | 22:51 |
shadeslayer | ahoneybun: one of the priviliges of living in the US | 22:51 |
shadeslayer | amongst other things like the NSA | 22:51 |
shadeslayer | ;) | 22:51 |
ahoneybun | XD | 22:52 |
valorie | ahoneybun: I can send you the ones I have left | 22:56 |
valorie | when do you leave for SELF? | 22:57 |
valorie | these are the stickers left from those Jussi mailed me a year or so ago | 22:57 |
ahoneybun | June 11 is the day before and the driver wants to drive at night so June 11 I think | 22:57 |
valorie | ok, that's plenty of time | 22:58 |
valorie | just PM me your mailing address | 22:58 |
ahoneybun | I would be very greatful for anything you can send valorie :) | 22:58 |
ahoneybun | valorie: while your around I want you to look at this: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.rst | 22:59 |
ahoneybun | I feel real crapy going over the docs since I have found 2 dead links so far | 23:01 |
ahoneybun | I also found this ugly page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting | 23:05 |
valorie | well, links die | 23:06 |
valorie | it's like a garden: weeds grow | 23:06 |
valorie | woah, that is one ugly page indeed | 23:07 |
valorie | surely we can do better and just make a redirect from that ugly thing | 23:07 |
KDDA | only 6 years old | 23:08 |
ahoneybun | valorie: just started on this the other day: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute/BugReporting | 23:09 |
valorie | I'll be back as soon as I've aquired moar coffee | 23:09 |
ahoneybun | ok | 23:09 |
valorie | ahoneybun: good start, but we need better screenies -- it helps to do them on a clean white desktop | 23:13 |
valorie | if nothing else, put a plain kate page expanded behind | 23:14 |
ahoneybun | true valorie | 23:22 |
ahoneybun | no comment on my github? | 23:22 |
valorie | is this meant to be a replacement for the present docs, or what? | 23:23 |
valorie | I'm rather anti-github except for outside projects | 23:24 |
ahoneybun | valorie: it is a demo atm for a greater project | 23:25 |
ahoneybun | have all the projects docs to use 1-2 languages and host on LP | 23:25 |
ahoneybun | github was easier atm since I don't have the keys and such setup on this machine (had to reinstall) | 23:25 |
ahoneybun | using the current system we can export to HTML, PDF, and ePub with finer control then though the admins at KDE | 23:26 |
ahoneybun | valorie: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/docs/basic.rst | 23:27 |
valorie | ok | 23:30 |
valorie | see what I'm saying in that screenie though? | 23:30 |
valorie | it shows your background instead of a shadow | 23:31 |
valorie | and looks cut off on the left | 23:31 |
ahoneybun | valorie: yea I see | 23:31 |
valorie | also rather large | 23:31 |
valorie | in general I prefer small images that you can click for larger if you need it | 23:32 |
valorie | esp. if people are consulting the docs on their phones | 23:32 |
valorie | ahoneybun: are you making new pages, or bringing in our old ones? | 23:32 |
ahoneybun | valorie: coping from our current ones, making fixes as I see | 23:34 |
ahoneybun | https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute/BugReporting#Reporting_bugs betteR? | 23:34 |
valorie | cool | 23:35 |
ahoneybun | good | 23:35 |
valorie | I very much want us to have a "write once, deploy everywhere" system | 23:35 |
valorie | keeping pages up-to-date in more than one place never works | 23:35 |
ahoneybun | valorie: I propose using 1-2 langs to write the docs and host them in one place (maybe 2 with git if we agree) | 23:36 |
ahoneybun | with Sphinx we can | 23:36 |
ahoneybun | http://sphinx-doc.org/ | 23:36 |
valorie | https://userbase.kde.org/Taking_Screenshots has the proper workflow | 23:37 |
valorie | yes, I looked at sphinx before | 23:37 |
ahoneybun | valorie: LaTeX: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.tex ; RST: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.rst | 23:37 |
ahoneybun | I created the RST file and then used pandoc to conver to LaTeX | 23:38 |
ahoneybun | *convert | 23:38 |
valorie | the reason I originally started work on the ubuntu wiki was so that we could work on docs without the rigmarole of docbook+launchpad | 23:38 |
valorie | the reason I wanted us to move to the KDE wiki is that Ubuntu wiki was impossible to work in | 23:38 |
ahoneybun | the thing I have to solve/find new way, is to present the Docs on the system | 23:39 |
valorie | if we move to somewhere besides the KDE wiki, that is ok with me as long as it is easy for people to contribute | 23:39 |
ahoneybun | KHelp uses DocBook, though pandoc can convert DocBook | 23:39 |
valorie | and we have one set of working docs | 23:39 |
ahoneybun | well 2, Non-LTS, LTS | 23:39 |
valorie | and one for each release which do not change unless errors are found | 23:39 |
valorie | no, ONE set of working docs | 23:40 |
valorie | the rest are released | 23:40 |
ahoneybun | ok | 23:40 |
valorie | right, we were generating the release from the working docs | 23:41 |
valorie | as you should know, because you did all that work | 23:41 |
valorie | :-) | 23:41 |
ahoneybun | Working Docs = Current, Release Docs = FREEZE | 23:41 |
valorie | you have become the expert, and I will support your decisions | 23:41 |
valorie | right | 23:42 |
ahoneybun | hardly think I'm a expert XD | 23:42 |
valorie | although it should be possible to fix any errors that come through somehow | 23:42 |
valorie | ahoneybun: you are doing the work, so you ARE the expert | 23:42 |
ahoneybun | valorie: the way to get fixed was going to use the LP bug system | 23:42 |
ahoneybun | a user files a bug against the manual, contributors fix said bug | 23:42 |
valorie | cool | 23:43 |
Etriaph | It'd be cool if it could be distributed with Git with versioning. | 23:43 |
valorie | so you are now calling the docs a manual? | 23:43 |
ahoneybun | best way other then using a Wiki | 23:43 |
valorie | sure | 23:43 |
ahoneybun | I'm following the name sceme of the Ubuntu Manual and Lubuntu Manual | 23:43 |
valorie | we wrote the frameworks book in git, using markdown | 23:43 |
valorie | that wasn't hard even for me | 23:44 |
valorie | in fact, easier than using the wiki | 23:44 |
ahoneybun | I want the projects to use similiar tools so we can work better together | 23:44 |
Etriaph | Ya, MD is pretty happy when it comes to writing docs. | 23:44 |
ahoneybun | and that includes using the same terms ex. Manual to Docs | 23:44 |
valorie | ahoneybun: I will support your decisions, and learn to work in the suggested workflow | 23:45 |
ahoneybun | valorie: also having the manual on LP lets users download the whole thing for offline use | 23:45 |
Etriaph | valorie: Do you happen to know the process I would have to go through to suggest a support system in the KDE project? | 23:45 |
ahoneybun | and fixes | 23:45 |
valorie | I suggest a plan documented somewhere though, perhaps on the community wiki and an email to kubuntu-devel | 23:45 |
Etriaph | support/architecture idea | 23:45 |
ahoneybun | valorie: have you seen my slideshow talking about my plan? | 23:46 |
valorie | Etriaph: can you say more about what you mean? | 23:46 |
ahoneybun | someone from the Ubuntu Server Manual wants to move to RST from LaTeX as well | 23:46 |
valorie | ahoneybun: no, I don't think so | 23:46 |
ahoneybun | he is the one who told me about pandoc | 23:46 |
valorie | what is RST? | 23:46 |
valorie | I am so not down with LaTeX | 23:47 |
ahoneybun | restructuecttext | 23:47 |
ahoneybun | wrong spelling | 23:47 |
ahoneybun | http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html | 23:47 |
valorie | I'm not working on a Ph.D, so I will not be using LaTeX | 23:47 |
ahoneybun | I think it is very close to Wiki lang | 23:47 |
valorie | why RST rather than markdown? | 23:48 |
Etriaph | valorie: 85% of the apps I use on my desktop are KDE-based, but they all store look and feel elements separately. For example, Konversation allows you to specify colours but not to save them as a set. I want to have a conversation about an idea to contain the data for all apps in a centralized "Presentation" system. | 23:48 |
ahoneybun | Sphinx uses it | 23:48 |
ahoneybun | that provides the HTML, PDF exporting | 23:49 |
valorie | I'm not seeing where Sphinx comes into the process | 23:49 |
valorie | git itself can do that from markdown | 23:49 |
Etriaph | valorie: Once centrally stored, the data can be transformed from version to version, easing migration from one KDE version (or app version) to the next with respect to presentation settings. | 23:49 |
ahoneybun | valorie: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing | 23:49 |
ahoneybun | I've been learning it and like it lol | 23:49 |
valorie | ahoneybun: "Current Setup" is missing a list element for Xubuntu | 23:50 |
ahoneybun | http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html | 23:50 |
ahoneybun | it is just weird looking on Drive | 23:51 |
ahoneybun | it is fine in the ODP | 23:51 |
valorie | ok | 23:51 |
valorie | this looks very similar to markdown | 23:52 |
ahoneybun | yea | 23:52 |
valorie | however, I hope you will take a close look at just using markdown | 23:52 |
valorie | help.md and such are standard all over KDE | 23:53 |
valorie | Etriaph: why not talk to the Konvi people about your ideas? | 23:53 |
* ahoneybun looks to see if pandoc supports md | 23:53 | |
valorie | find an application team that is willing to give it a whirl, and talk it up | 23:53 |
ahoneybun | it supports it | 23:54 |
Etriaph | valorie: I'd like to try and built it into KDE so that all apps can delegate storage of their presentation settings into a central system. | 23:54 |
valorie | the thing about KDE applications is that most of them are rather independent | 23:54 |
valorie | I understand, and think it is a good idea | 23:54 |
Etriaph | valorie: Yup, but they do share code. | 23:54 |
valorie | however, you need buyin from at least one team to get the ball rolling | 23:54 |
ahoneybun | wait | 23:55 |
ahoneybun | Sphinx support markdown | 23:55 |
valorie | most of the teams right now are either recovering from porting to frameworks and then Qt5 | 23:55 |
valorie | or in the middle of the effort | 23:55 |
ahoneybun | I just could not get anything to work in their system with it | 23:55 |
Etriaph | valorie: Yup, I know, I guess I just need to know who I should contact to get the ball rolling on the discussion. | 23:55 |
valorie | #konversation might be a good place | 23:56 |
Etriaph | It won't happen quick, I'm aware of that :D | 23:56 |
valorie | or their list, even better | 23:56 |
Etriaph | OK. | 23:56 |
ahoneybun | or both lol | 23:56 |
valorie | right | 23:56 |
Etriaph | #konversation is usually pretty dead :D | 23:56 |
valorie | depends on the hour | 23:56 |
Etriaph | Not always, but usually | 23:56 |
* Etriaph nods | 23:56 | |
valorie | most of the devels are europeans | 23:56 |
valorie | very helpful team though | 23:57 |
* ahoneybun just saw that he is not in #libreoffice-qa ! | 23:57 | |
Etriaph | Oh noes! | 23:57 |
Etriaph | I <3 Libre Office | 23:57 |
* ahoneybun <3 <3 <3 LibreOffice | 23:57 | |
ahoneybun | I'm using it to make my slideshow | 23:58 |
Etriaph | brb, children need tending | 23:58 |
ahoneybun | valorie: I'll look at MD for sure, but I think my ideas are solid, and I have some support from the Lubuntu and Ubuntu Docs team as well | 23:58 |
valorie | great! | 23:59 |
ahoneybun | want to know the name of my talk? | 23:59 |
valorie | I'm still happy we moved off Ubuntu wiki | 23:59 |
valorie | sure | 23:59 |
* ahoneybun is too | 23:59 | |
ahoneybun | Documentation: A Unified Approach | 23:59 |
valorie | cool | 23:59 |
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