[00:41]  * Etriaph is torn.
[06:21] <soee> good morning
[08:18] <shadeslayer> valorie: yeah, just because of BttF
[08:23] <valorie> BttF?
[08:23]  * valorie is missing context
[08:23] <shadeslayer> Back to the future
[08:23] <shadeslayer> Featured a time travelling delorean
[08:24] <valorie> ah, right
[08:24] <valorie> sorry, that was hours ago
[08:24] <valorie> lol
[08:24] <shadeslayer> Unfortunately not bigger on the inside
[08:24] <valorie> ha!
[08:24] <shadeslayer> valorie: yeah, I just saw that
[09:37] <sitter> Riddell: CI all red still :|
[09:37] <sitter> actually when I say still I mean its even more red now 
[09:46] <Riddell> sitter: hmm, I'm kindae on another-project day today
[11:32] <sgclark> morning
[11:33] <sgclark> sitter: Riddell how can I help
[11:38] <sitter> sgclark: not at all right now. something blew up in docker. apparently it doesn't take too kindly to an ever growing list of images and containers ^^
[11:38] <sgclark> ack
[11:44] <swizgard> kfileplaces/user-places/the-left-hand-side-of-dolphin seems to be broken in that folder drag&dropped there don't persist
[11:45] <swizgard> editing ~/.local/share/user-places.xbel directly works, though
[11:45] <swizgard> shall i file bug report in kubuntu or kde?
[12:33] <sitter> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11244074/ very sad panda :(
[12:35] <shadeslayer> aw
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:38] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[13:39] <soee> how WIly works with 15.04.1 ?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> soee, do you mean plasma 5.3?
[13:42] <soee> BluesKaj: apps
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Wily is 15.10, but a lot of the apps are the same versions, and yes they run fine so far, even better than on Vivivd in some cases
[13:44] <BluesKaj> more stable , fewer crashes 
[13:47] <BluesKaj> just installed a new kernel version, have to reboot
[14:03] <bkerensa> Riddell: Oh hi!
[16:06]  * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/05/20/protocols-plugfest-europe-2015/
[16:07] <bkerensa> Riddell: I keep dreaming of KDE doing an event in Portland
[16:16] <Etriaph> G'day folks.
[16:32] <sgclark> bkerensa: well we were at LFNW :) not home but close lol
[16:32] <sgclark> well closer then europe anyway
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> is folderview disabled in 15.04?
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> not the widget
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> the desktoppp layout
[16:40] <Riddell> it's not the default but you can easily change to it
[16:41] <Riddell> that's always been the case in plasma
[16:41] <yofel> here the Layout option is greyed out...
[16:41] <Riddell> oh? I used it only yesterday
[16:41] <yofel> wth
[16:41] <Riddell> yep Layout -> folder view works for me, Plasma 5.3
[16:41] <yofel> oh, you need to "Unlock Widgets"
[16:41] <yofel> incredible unintuitive
[16:41] <bkerensa> sgclark: I mean KDE hosting an actual meetup like they do in europe
[16:42] <bkerensa> sgclark: this way we can have Kubuntu donuts
[16:42] <bkerensa> :D
[16:42] <sgclark> yeah would be nice
[16:42] <yofel> kubuntu donuts <3
[16:42] <yofel> send some over ^^
[16:42] <Sho_> gear shaped donuts?
[16:45] <Riddell> there's only a few places in the world with enough critical mass to do that, a few cities in europe and washington dc used to as well
[16:47] <bkerensa> yofel: http://cdn.benjaminkerensa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_20121211_133013-300x225.jpg
[16:47] <bkerensa> ^ I had those made
[16:48] <sgclark> hmm dunno about that, our booth was quite popular here on the west coast
[16:48] <yofel> *drool*
[16:48] <bkerensa> Riddell: well Portland is one of the largest Open Source cities in the world so I think we qualify
[16:48] <sgclark> what bkerensa said ^^
[16:48] <bkerensa> Riddell: we have one of the largest Open Source conferences in the world here because it wouldnt do well elsewhere
[16:48] <sgclark> we rock!
[16:48] <bkerensa> we must have at least 20-25% of the worlds open source devs here ;)
[16:49] <bkerensa> Linus right across the river
[16:49] <bkerensa> well actually I guess I live on the same side of the river as Linus now
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> thank you yofel and Riddell
[17:34] <KDDA> hi BluesKaj
[17:36] <BluesKaj> hi KDDA
[17:36] <KDDA> doing good?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> yup, and you ?
[18:04] <KDDA> yeah, just been busy!
[19:14] <Riddell> KDDA: do you have some time tomorrow to carry on packaging?
[19:45] <soee> hiho
[20:08] <KDDA> what kind of time tomorrow?
[20:08] <KDDA> Riddell: ping
[20:34] <Riddell> Kdda yo?
[20:34] <KDDA> yo yo
[20:36] <KDDA> when are you free tomorrow?
[20:37] <KDDA> and how far into the lesson are we? 10%?
[22:20] <ahoneybun> are their any Kubuntu stickers/DVD avaiable?
[22:26] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: not that I know of
[22:26] <shadeslayer> we have shirts/jackets
[22:29] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I ask because I'm going to SELF and we would like some Kubuntu stuff for the booth
[22:29] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: possibly you could get some printed locally?
[22:29] <shadeslayer> and request money from the donations fund for those?
[22:29] <ahoneybun> I've been meaning to make a few DVDs myself
[22:30] <ahoneybun> updated for the newest release
[22:30] <KDDA> what are the DVD's, install?
[22:31] <ahoneybun> yea
[22:31] <ahoneybun> I would love to do USB's but those are much more money
[22:34]  * ahoneybun is falling mad in love with git over lp
[22:37] <soee> whop :) this friday new MadMax in cinemas
[22:50] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:50] <ahoneybun> thought that came out last friday?
[22:51] <soee> not here in Poland :)
[22:51] <ahoneybun> oh in the US it is out
[22:51] <shadeslayer> ^ movies can have different release dates in different countries
[22:51] <shadeslayer> most odd thing ever
[22:51] <soee> yeah :D
[22:51] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: one of the priviliges of living in the US
[22:51] <shadeslayer> amongst other things like the NSA
[22:51] <shadeslayer> ;)
[22:52] <ahoneybun> XD
[22:56] <valorie> ahoneybun: I can send you the ones I have left
[22:57] <valorie> when do you leave for SELF?
[22:57] <valorie> these are the stickers left from those Jussi mailed me a year or so ago
[22:57] <ahoneybun> June 11 is the day before and the driver wants to drive at night so June 11 I think
[22:58] <valorie> ok, that's plenty of time
[22:58] <valorie> just PM me your mailing address
[22:58] <ahoneybun> I would be very greatful for anything you can send valorie :)
[22:59] <ahoneybun> valorie: while your around I want you to look at this: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.rst
[23:01] <ahoneybun> I feel real crapy going over the docs since I have found 2 dead links so far
[23:05] <ahoneybun> I also found this ugly page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[23:06] <valorie> well, links die
[23:06] <valorie> it's like a garden: weeds grow
[23:07] <valorie> woah, that is one ugly page indeed
[23:07] <valorie> surely we can do better and just make a redirect from that ugly thing
[23:08] <KDDA> only 6 years old
[23:09] <ahoneybun> valorie: just started on this the other day: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute/BugReporting
[23:09] <valorie> I'll be back as soon as I've aquired moar coffee
[23:09] <ahoneybun> ok
[23:13] <valorie> ahoneybun: good start, but we need better screenies -- it helps to do them on a clean white desktop
[23:14] <valorie> if nothing else, put a plain kate page expanded behind
[23:22] <ahoneybun> true valorie
[23:22] <ahoneybun> no comment on my github?
[23:23] <valorie> is this meant to be a replacement for the present docs, or what?
[23:24] <valorie> I'm rather anti-github except for outside projects
[23:25] <ahoneybun> valorie: it is a demo atm for a greater project
[23:25] <ahoneybun> have all the projects docs to use 1-2 languages and host on LP
[23:25] <ahoneybun> github was easier atm since I don't have the keys and such setup on this machine (had to reinstall)
[23:26] <ahoneybun> using the current system we can export to HTML, PDF, and ePub with finer control then though the admins at KDE
[23:27] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/docs/basic.rst
[23:30] <valorie> ok
[23:30] <valorie> see what I'm saying in that screenie though?
[23:31] <valorie> it shows your background instead of a shadow
[23:31] <valorie> and looks cut off on the left
[23:31] <ahoneybun> valorie: yea I see
[23:31] <valorie> also rather large
[23:32] <valorie> in general I prefer small images that you can click for larger if you need it
[23:32] <valorie> esp. if people are consulting the docs on their phones
[23:32] <valorie> ahoneybun: are you making new pages, or bringing in our old ones?
[23:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: coping from our current ones, making fixes as I see 
[23:34] <ahoneybun> https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute/BugReporting#Reporting_bugs betteR?
[23:35] <valorie> cool
[23:35] <ahoneybun> good
[23:35] <valorie> I very much want us to have a "write once, deploy everywhere" system
[23:35] <valorie> keeping pages up-to-date in more than one place never works
[23:36] <ahoneybun> valorie: I propose using 1-2 langs to write the docs and host them in one place (maybe 2 with git if we agree)
[23:36] <ahoneybun> with Sphinx we can
[23:36] <ahoneybun> http://sphinx-doc.org/
[23:37] <valorie> https://userbase.kde.org/Taking_Screenshots has the proper workflow
[23:37] <valorie> yes, I looked at sphinx before
[23:37] <ahoneybun> valorie: LaTeX: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.tex ; RST: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.rst
[23:38] <ahoneybun> I created the RST file and then used pandoc to conver to LaTeX
[23:38] <ahoneybun> *convert
[23:38] <valorie> the reason I originally started work on the ubuntu wiki was so that we could work on docs without the rigmarole of docbook+launchpad
[23:38] <valorie> the reason I wanted us to move to the KDE wiki is that Ubuntu wiki was impossible to work in
[23:39] <ahoneybun> the thing I have to solve/find new way, is to present the Docs on the system
[23:39] <valorie> if we move to somewhere besides the KDE wiki, that is ok with me as long as it is easy for people to contribute
[23:39] <ahoneybun> KHelp uses DocBook, though pandoc can convert DocBook
[23:39] <valorie> and we have one set of working docs
[23:39] <ahoneybun> well 2, Non-LTS, LTS
[23:39] <valorie> and one for each release which do not change unless errors are found
[23:40] <valorie> no, ONE set of working docs
[23:40] <valorie> the rest are released
[23:40] <ahoneybun> ok
[23:41] <valorie> right, we were generating the release from the working docs
[23:41] <valorie> as you should know, because you did all that work
[23:41] <valorie> :-)
[23:41] <ahoneybun> Working Docs = Current, Release Docs = FREEZE
[23:41] <valorie> you have become the expert, and I will support your decisions
[23:42] <valorie> right
[23:42] <ahoneybun> hardly think I'm a expert XD
[23:42] <valorie> although it should be possible to fix any errors that come through somehow
[23:42] <valorie> ahoneybun: you are doing the work, so you ARE the expert
[23:42] <ahoneybun> valorie: the way to get fixed was going to use the LP bug system
[23:42] <ahoneybun> a user files a bug against the manual, contributors fix said bug
[23:43] <valorie> cool
[23:43] <Etriaph> It'd be cool if it could be distributed with Git with versioning.
[23:43] <valorie> so you are now calling the docs a manual?
[23:43] <ahoneybun> best way other then using a Wiki
[23:43] <valorie> sure
[23:43] <ahoneybun> I'm following the name sceme of the Ubuntu Manual and Lubuntu Manual
[23:43] <valorie> we wrote the frameworks book in git, using markdown
[23:44] <valorie> that wasn't hard even for me
[23:44] <valorie> in fact, easier than using the wiki
[23:44] <ahoneybun> I want the projects to use similiar tools so we can work better together
[23:44] <Etriaph> Ya, MD is pretty happy when it comes to writing docs.
[23:44] <ahoneybun> and that includes using the same terms ex. Manual to Docs
[23:45] <valorie> ahoneybun: I will support your decisions, and learn to work in the suggested workflow
[23:45] <ahoneybun> valorie: also having the manual on LP lets users download the whole thing for offline use 
[23:45] <Etriaph> valorie: Do you happen to know the process I would have to go through to suggest a support system in the KDE project?
[23:45] <ahoneybun> and fixes
[23:45] <valorie> I suggest a plan documented somewhere though, perhaps on the community wiki and an email to kubuntu-devel
[23:45] <Etriaph> support/architecture idea
[23:46] <ahoneybun> valorie: have you seen my slideshow talking about my plan?
[23:46] <valorie> Etriaph: can you say more about what you mean?
[23:46] <ahoneybun> someone from the Ubuntu Server Manual wants to move to RST from LaTeX as well
[23:46] <valorie> ahoneybun: no, I don't think so
[23:46] <ahoneybun> he is the one who told me about pandoc
[23:46] <valorie> what is RST?
[23:47] <valorie> I am so not down with LaTeX
[23:47] <ahoneybun> restructuecttext
[23:47] <ahoneybun> wrong spelling
[23:47] <ahoneybun> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html
[23:47] <valorie> I'm not working on a Ph.D, so I will not be using LaTeX
[23:47] <ahoneybun> I think it is very close to Wiki lang
[23:48] <valorie> why RST rather than markdown?
[23:48] <Etriaph> valorie: 85% of the apps I use on my desktop are KDE-based, but they all store look and feel elements separately.  For example, Konversation allows you to specify colours but not to save them as a set.  I want to have a conversation about an idea to contain the data for all apps in a centralized "Presentation" system.
[23:48] <ahoneybun> Sphinx uses it
[23:49] <ahoneybun> that provides the HTML, PDF exporting
[23:49] <valorie> I'm not seeing where Sphinx comes into the process
[23:49] <valorie> git itself can do that from markdown
[23:49] <Etriaph> valorie: Once centrally stored, the data can be transformed from version to version, easing migration from one KDE version (or app version) to the next with respect to presentation settings.
[23:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[23:49] <ahoneybun> I've been learning it and like it lol
[23:50] <valorie> ahoneybun: "Current Setup" is missing a list element for Xubuntu
[23:50] <ahoneybun> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html
[23:51] <ahoneybun> it is just weird looking on Drive
[23:51] <ahoneybun> it is fine in the ODP
[23:51] <valorie> ok
[23:52] <valorie> this looks very similar to markdown
[23:52] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:52] <valorie> however, I hope you will take a close look at just using markdown
[23:53] <valorie> help.md and such are standard all over KDE
[23:53] <valorie> Etriaph: why not talk to the Konvi people about your ideas?
[23:53]  * ahoneybun looks to see if pandoc supports md
[23:53] <valorie> find an application team that is willing to give it a whirl, and talk it up
[23:54] <ahoneybun> it supports it
[23:54] <Etriaph> valorie: I'd like to try and built it into KDE so that all apps can delegate storage of their presentation settings into a central system.
[23:54] <valorie> the thing about KDE applications is that most of them are rather independent
[23:54] <valorie> I understand, and think it is a good idea
[23:54] <Etriaph> valorie: Yup, but they do share code.
[23:54] <valorie> however, you need buyin from at least one team to get the ball rolling
[23:55] <ahoneybun> wait
[23:55] <ahoneybun> Sphinx support markdown
[23:55] <valorie> most of the teams right now are either recovering from porting to frameworks and then Qt5
[23:55] <valorie> or in the middle of the effort
[23:55] <ahoneybun> I just could not get anything to work in their system with it
[23:55] <Etriaph> valorie: Yup, I know, I guess I just need to know who I should contact to get the ball rolling on the discussion.
[23:56] <valorie>  #konversation might be a good place
[23:56] <Etriaph> It won't happen quick, I'm aware of that :D
[23:56] <valorie> or their list, even better
[23:56] <Etriaph> OK.
[23:56] <ahoneybun> or both lol
[23:56] <valorie> right
[23:56] <Etriaph> #konversation is usually pretty dead :D
[23:56] <valorie> depends on the hour
[23:56] <Etriaph> Not always, but usually
[23:56]  * Etriaph nods
[23:56] <valorie> most of the devels are europeans
[23:57] <valorie> very helpful team though
[23:57]  * ahoneybun just saw that he is not in #libreoffice-qa !
[23:57] <Etriaph> Oh noes!
[23:57] <Etriaph> I <3 Libre Office
[23:57]  * ahoneybun <3 <3 <3 LibreOffice
[23:58] <ahoneybun> I'm using it to make my slideshow
[23:58] <Etriaph> brb, children need tending
[23:58] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'll look at MD for sure, but I think my ideas are solid, and I have some support from the Lubuntu and Ubuntu Docs team as well
[23:59] <valorie> great!
[23:59] <ahoneybun> want to know the name of my talk?
[23:59] <valorie> I'm still happy we moved off Ubuntu wiki
[23:59] <valorie> sure
[23:59]  * ahoneybun is too
[23:59] <ahoneybun> Documentation: A Unified Approach
[23:59] <valorie> cool