[00:39] <KsChoice> Can anybody please confirm if for some reason Kubuntu 15.04 has been plagued with problems and is possibly the worst version release ever? I've been on Kubuntu since 5.something, and aside of some issues left and right, I was always happy. I cannot remember the last kernel panic, and KDE completely freezing was rare. Now KDE freezes are a regular (multiple times per day) occurrence, as are kernel panics (about once or twice a day) SDDM login manager "
[00:39] <KsChoice> only" needs to be restarted about 20 times before I see a screen where I can login to KDE, yay.. Quassel works for a week then can only start to a freeze until I delete all quassel config files, and restart it.. Then after a week, rinse, repeat.. since the release in april, I have received exactly ONE update, thats all... I used to get them every 1 or 2 days, I"ve been without for 2 months now... kwin crashes about 2-4 times per day, as does plasmashell.
[00:39] <KsChoice> . Anything that has to do file access through KDE freezes first time file access is required (ie, krunner, start typing, and freeze for about 2 minutes, KDE file requester might do the same).. AFter this once freeze, all appears okay again and subsequent requests show no problem.. KDE settings does not store half the changes I make.. I"ve reported various bugs, all went without any followup.. Did I mention symptoms are getting worse with time? My laptop
[00:39] <KsChoice> appears to be hanging faster and with higher frequency than last week and the week before, etc.. I have an external mouse. Hang the dongle in, and the touchpad will be disabled, great! as it should be.. Remove the dongle and.. well, touchpad remains dead.. suspend? does nothing at all.. Shutdown? Kernel panic!  Close laptop lid? Does nothing, even though it should suspend (nearly burnt out my laptop after I put it in the bag while still running and
[00:39] <KsChoice> balloo tought it was cool to run at 100% CPU, yay! Laptop resolved iissue by overheating and doing an auto shutdown itself, thanks KDE!  Seriously, What the hell Kubuntu? I've never had so many problems that were so bad, what happened?
[00:40] <KsChoice> Oh, Amarok, play a song and amarok freezes for about a minute.. After that minute it will be alright until the next song starts to play, it will again freeze for a minute
[00:42] <KsChoice> I used full system encryption on install, and Kubuntu requires (for some reason) a swap password.. I would imagine it should be able to manage a swap password itself, but alright, I can do that on startup.. IF it weren't for the fact that every time I do sudo, I get spammed on every shell that I need to type the swap encryption password.. ARGH
[00:43] <KsChoice> Great thing when you have 20 shells open
[00:43] <KsChoice> My wireless keybord.. it works with grub! it does NOT work at startup where I have to enter the full disk encryption password... Just why??
[00:44] <KsChoice> And worst of all Where are the updates to fix all these bugs?? Where are any updates??
[00:44] <KsChoice> any at all?
[00:46] <KsChoice> I feel like I'm using windows xp here.. Can anybody elaborate on if this is normal?
[00:46] <KsChoice> 14.10 had some minor issues left and right, but all worked, mostly out of the box
[00:49] <KsChoice> Seriously? please? When are updates going to be released that would fix (at least some of) these issues?
[00:50] <KsChoice> Ow, another cute one.. the auto screen lock "feature".. instead of showing the lock screen where I can enter the password, for the first 5-10 minutes basically my mouse and keyboard will be disabled, while I stare at the normal screen.. I cannot do anything, until after those 5-10 minutes, FINALLY the lock screen pops up and yaaaayyy, I can enter a password and actually continue to work
[00:52] <KsChoice> I mean, seriously, it is fracking ridiculous how messed up Kubuntu 15.04 is.. I though initially, okay, my laptop has an nvidia card, a crappy driver could explain that, but.. No, driver can't explain all this crap I've had so far
[00:52] <KsChoice> And yes, I've reported it, no feedback, no response, nothing.. So I'm not going to waste my time with that anymore either
[00:53] <KsChoice> Is there anybody here? Or is Quassel messing up this as well and I"m just here talking to myself?
[00:53] <KsChoice> 15.04 is a joke
[00:55] <KsChoice> Is there anybody here at all?
[00:58] <KsChoice> Can anybody tell me how I could possibly get kubuntu 15.04 updates??
[00:59] <KsChoice> preferably updates that would leave it in a usable state?
[01:05] <KsChoice> Ah, CTRL-DEL no longer deletes the word in front of the cursor, like it used to do for the past 10 years or so, another one of those nice details..
[01:11] <KsChoice> Is there anybody alive here?
[01:32] <KsChoice> Hello?
[01:43]  * keithzg is content to let the rant settle
[03:54] <KsChoice> keithzg: Rant, sure, totally right.. But just not a rant about nothing, this is actual problems with Kubuntu.. in 10 years I have had nothing like this before, and now its all crap... This is not interresting for nobody who works on Kubuntu?
[03:54] <KsChoice> I mean, if I worked on it, I would like to know it if there were problems
[03:56] <keithzg> KsChoice: Well, your complaints seem to me to be threefold.
[03:57] <keithzg> Firstly, the metacomplaint where you're complaining that your complaints aren't being acknowledged. I can't really help you there at all, nor does it entirely seem like you *want* help, rather than ranting.
[03:57] <valorie> KsChoice: this has been a great release for me
[03:58] <valorie> I've been running Plasma 5 for close to a year, and it just keeps getting better
[03:58] <keithzg> KsChoice: Your actual issues (and I don't doubt that you have them!) do seem to then fall into to categories, the "likely systemd-related" category and the "likely Plasma 5 related" category.
[03:58] <valorie> updates have been rolling out every day or two, even without backports
[03:59] <SJr> I just install Plasma 5.3 and now kwin keeps crashing.
[03:59] <valorie> this is the second computer on which I've installed 5.3, and no crashes yet
[03:59] <valorie> knock on wood
[04:00] <valorie> one Dolphin freeze briefly though
[04:00] <keithzg> valorie: I've had lots of issues with KWin crashes (and my missing VTs!) on AMD and proprietary drivers. Zero issues on my Intel-based laptop (first-gen Chromebook Pixel).
[04:01] <keithzg> Zero issues when running the open-source drivers for the AMD graphics card, too; unfortunately that isn't sufficient to play games on.
[04:03] <valorie> keithzg: I have AMD on this box
[04:04] <keithzg> Actually reinforces my decision to go with AMD when getting discrete graphics cards, though, since if I didn't care about running the latest and greatest games that likewise are starting to push my graphics cards, I'd be able to run hassle-free.
[04:04] <keithzg> valorie: which drivers are you on?
[04:04] <valorie> rather old laptop; my newer one has a dead network card
[04:04] <valorie> :(
[04:04] <keithzg> ouch, and in this day and age that kindof spells the end of a laptop
[04:05] <valorie> keithzg: whatever is installed; I did nothing different
[04:05] <valorie> well, my son says it is still under warranty, so I need to find that paperwork
[04:05] <valorie> I've already done the backup
[04:06] <keithzg> Fingers crossed that it's a smooth warranty process then (and that it doesn't just break again right afterwards).
[04:06] <valorie> this old one works for IRC
[04:06] <valorie> otherwise, it's time to shop
[04:07] <keithzg> IRC is great that way, hard to have a computer that can't handle it!
[04:07] <valorie> well, unless you can't connect *anywhere*!
[04:08] <valorie> even with the wire
[04:08] <keithzg> hah, fair point
[04:08] <keithzg> valorie: By default *buntu (quite reasonably) uses the open source drivers for AMD cards. But the 3D performance of them for newer (ie. within the last 4 to 5 years) hardware still isn't great, and perhaps more importantly the open source stack doesn't yet support OpenGL 4.x, which is necessary to run many current games at all
[04:08]  * valorie is no gamer
[04:08] <valorie> most played game: klondike
[04:08] <valorie> :-)
[04:08] <keithzg> heh
[04:08] <keithzg> Yeah, in that case, the open source drivers are actually fantastic.
[04:09] <keithzg> I certainly had zero issues whenever I swapped over to *those* to prove to myself that it really was the proprietary FGLRX drivers that were the problem.
[04:09]  * keithzg longs for a fully FLOSS world
[04:10] <valorie> keithzg: me too
[04:15] <KsChoice> keithzg: valorie: Sorry for the late reply, I again had the lock screen mess up (I see the normal Quassel chat window, all works, except mouse and keyboard are not working, I was waiting for the lock screen to appear so that I can unlock, and then the network wlan0 just.. disappeared, I had to restart, again try to start sddm like 20 times to get a login screen and here I am
[04:15] <KsChoice> keithzg: I'm really sorry for ranting, but with the sheer amount of problems.. I'm sorry, I deserve a little rant.. I'm done, but my problems aren't
[04:16] <KsChoice> keithzg: Yes, I want help, I need help, but it seems its not coming.. In like 1,5 months time I've received one update.. thats all.. Previous releases would have some updates every 2-3 days, now.. nothing.. And with the sheer amount of bugs, what am I to do then?
[04:18] <KsChoice> valorie: Alright, fair enough, it works great for you, but for me its.. Well, I'll say it nicely, disastrous.. Its near unworkable for me, and I cannot imagine I am the only one with these problems.. For example Quassel, every week it just starts frozen, I see a window with the contents of what was behind that window.. Only thing I can do is remove all config files and then suddenly it works again flawlessly for about a week and then I have the same
[04:18] <KsChoice> problem.. Thats not KDE5 or systemd, is it?
[04:19] <KsChoice> valorie: keithzg: My biggest issues in priority order are:
[04:19] <valorie> KsChoice: you can set the lockscreen not to come one; that might remove one difficulty
[04:20] <KsChoice> 1) When SDDM starts, it gives a black screen. I have to go to CTRL-ALT-F1 shell, type sudo systemctl restart sddm.service and do that some 5-10 times before I get the login screen
[04:20] <valorie> updates: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade` should pull in some stuff
[04:20] <KsChoice> valorie: I can disable the lock screen, but I'm regularly at places where I don;t want to leave it open... Is this lock screen issue a known bug?
[04:20] <valorie> also, do: sudo systemctl enable sddm.service
[04:21] <keithzg> KsChoice: A lot of these problems do sound graphics-related, what hardware and drivers are you running?
[04:21] <KsChoice> valorie: sudo systemctl enable sddm.service, tried that loads of time, doesn't seem to make any difference
[04:21] <valorie> KsChoice: no, I've heard nobody else experience that
[04:21] <valorie> how about sudo systemctl enable sddm
[04:21] <valorie> I had the same problem for awhile in the upgraded boxes
[04:22] <KsChoice> Also, suspend not working is kind of a thingie for me, I hate having to reboot, reload all browser pages, open 20 shells with stuff I use regularly, etc...
[04:22] <valorie> the new install worked fine
[04:22] <KsChoice> valorie: I'll try full upgrade right now, one sec
[04:22] <valorie> it is the new thing alone with apt rather than apt-get
[04:22] <valorie> along
[04:23] <KsChoice> valorie: keithzg: Also just right now with reboot, the shutdown usually hangs long long time with waiting for shutdown or something on /dev/dm1 something with LVM PM
[04:23] <KsChoice> valorie: I just did sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade, nothing came in
[04:23] <KsChoice> keithzg: I'm using an ASUS g750j laptop with NVIDIA card
[04:24] <valorie> weird
[04:24] <KsChoice> keithzg: NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 860M] (rev a2)
[04:24] <keithzg> KsChoice: And using the proprietary drivers, the nouveau drivers, or?
[04:25] <KsChoice> valorie: yeah, I've tried in muon > configure software sources >  download from > you can specify from where the updates should be coming.. I used first to select the fastest server. Then I've tried the default server, USA server, fastest, anything, I have had no updates for like a week alredy
[04:26] <KsChoice> keithzg: NVIDIA driver 346.59 which is the recommended one
[04:26] <valorie> KsChoice: I have enabled backports, and that got me a huge update today
[04:27] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-applications-15.04
[04:27] <KsChoice> valorie: keithzg: Also really really anoying.. The first time after a session started, if something comes up that does something with file access, like in chrome I do "save as", or ALT-F2, I get krunner and I start typing.. well, the "save as"  requester doesnt show for like a minute, and krunner too freezes for like a minute..
[04:27] <KsChoice> After that, it all runs fine
[04:28] <KsChoice> valorie: Let me chekc if I have the backports enabled.. I usually have that
[04:30] <KsChoice> Ugh, right now if I CTRL-C (or CTRL-INS) copy to clipboard in google chrome, and then in yakuake shell interface SHIFT-INS, I get "~2" on the screen.. that too happens quite a lot
[04:30] <KsChoice> valorie: Appears I did not have the backports.. I just added those, and updating
[04:31] <KsChoice> valorie: Also it appears that CTRL-DELETE does not work.. IT would delete the word before the cursor, for like.. As long as I can remember, but with this release, not so much.. I guess that could perhaps be configured in keyboard shortcuts, but it looks like KDE is not saving those settings.. This too is a known bug?
[04:32] <KsChoice> valorie: :( Just added backports, did apt update && apt full-upgrade.. Nothing.. No update at all
[04:32] <KsChoice> valorie:  I get the impression that my apt system somehow is completely messed up
[04:33] <valorie> are you sure that your system is looking the right place?
[04:33] <valorie> it sounds like perhaps it is still looking for the DVD or USB drive
[04:33] <valorie> that happened to me years ago
[04:33] <KsChoice> valorie: Right now using http://mirror.os6.org but I've tried multiple ones, including the default, USA servers, etc...
[04:33] <KsChoice> valorie: I'll disable DVD and USB and such
[04:35] <KsChoice> valorie: I do that in muon > configure software sources > other software ?
[04:35] <KsChoice> valorie: Becuase over there I see CDROM  15.04 blah, and its disabled
[04:35] <keithzg> KsChoice: Yeah, that's the GUI way of doing it.
[04:36] <KsChoice> Any idea perhaps why my suspend would be doing nothing either?
[04:36] <KsChoice> It
[04:36] <keithzg> KsChoice: But if you could paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into http://paste.kde.org or such, that might help
[04:36] <KsChoice> keithzg: one sec
[04:37] <KsChoice> keithzg: valorie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11237930/
[04:37] <keithzg> KsChoice: I do remember the proprietary NVIDIA drivers sometimes mucking with suspend, as the modules they load into kernel space don't always play nice. Unless you're gaming, I'd honestly try giving the nouveau drivers a shot, but we should probably figure out your apt situation first.
[04:38] <KsChoice> Do note that its showing some mirror server because thats what I've selected now, I've had the same issue with the default server, USA server, etc..
[04:38] <KsChoice> keithzg: okay, I'll try the nouveau drivers later on
[04:38] <KsChoice> Yeah, my apt issue would probably help a lot (I hope) because then at least I could receive updates
[04:38] <keithzg> KsChoice: Yeah, but those mirrors don't seem to have been updated in quite a while, so it really *seems* to me like that's the issue. Hmmm.
[04:39] <KsChoice> keithzg: I just selected those like one hour ago
[04:39] <keithzg> valorie: Perhaps you could provide your current sources.list for KsChoice to try out? (I'm at work on the LTS right now, although I can probably dig out a VM)
[04:40] <KsChoice> keithzg: I'll update to the default servers
[04:41] <valorie> KsChoice: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11238007/ is mine
[04:41] <KsChoice> keithzg: I"ve set it to "Main server" now, and check if update gives me somehting
[04:41] <KsChoice> valorie: If that gives nothing, I"ll use yours
[04:41] <valorie> I've never messed with it except to add backports
[04:41] <valorie> since upgrading this box
[04:42] <KsChoice> valorie: My upgrade completely failed, first upgrade ever that did that
[04:42] <valorie> sounds like you've had a really bad experience
[04:43] <valorie> that sucks
[04:43] <KsChoice> valorie: You could say that, yeah, and I've been on Kubuntu since like.. 10 years, and I really really looked forward to this release.. Hence the rant :)
[04:43] <valorie> I've been using it almost that long
[04:44] <valorie> but in the early days my son did most of the work
[04:44] <KsChoice> mmm, I changed the main server in muon software sources, and now apt update cannot get a lock, its in use by /usr/bin/python /usr/share/apt-xapian-index/update-apt-xapian-index-dbus probably?
[04:44] <valorie> !lock
[04:44] <valorie> silly ubottu
[04:44] <keithzg> KsChoice: Yeah, that might well be true, although just make sure you aren't accidentally not using sudo ;)
[04:45] <valorie> !apt-lock
[04:45] <KsChoice> keithzg: I'm using sudo :)
[04:45] <valorie> pff
[04:45] <keithzg> KsChoice: Just checking :)
[04:45] <KsChoice> valorie: Can I kill those apt processes?
[04:46] <valorie> there is a way but i don't recall the exact command
[04:46] <KsChoice> valorie: kill? :D
[04:46] <valorie> thus the appeal to ubottu for information
[04:46] <KsChoice> Meh, I'll just use the double barrel shotgun method, kill -9
[04:46] <valorie> control-C will work, but I don't know if that will kill the lock
[04:46] <KsChoice> valorie: no, its just not locking at all, some process appears stuck
[04:47] <KsChoice> valorie:  There you go, pkill -9 apt, then apt update.. works like a charm
[04:47] <KsChoice> At this point, it can't get much worse anyway
[04:48] <valorie> http://askubuntu.com/questions/335794/could-not-get-lock-var-lib-apt-lists-lock
[04:48] <valorie> cool
[04:49] <valorie> I was trying to remember `sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock`
[04:49] <KsChoice> Very slow though
[04:49] <KsChoice> valorie: yeah, but the lock file ususally is not a huge issue..
[04:49] <KsChoice> valorie: just ps `pgrep apt` gets you the apt like apps
[04:50] <valorie> I've not run up against a lock for a long time
[04:50] <KsChoice> valorie: I've not run up against any of these problems for a long time..
[04:50] <keithzg> Yikes, speaking of crashes, my machine just rebooted! Although I blame the electrical here at work (I should probably just go home already...).
[04:51] <KsChoice> valorie: Actually.. I think I've talked this through with you like a month ago when I upgraded and it was just as bad.. I talked iwth you and somebody else, and you guys had me upgrade to KDE5.3, which helped for like the first week but it seemed to be deteriorating
[04:51] <KsChoice> Sorry for the ranting back there, but I just really really really got frustrated
[04:52] <valorie> I'm really sorry you are having such difficulties
[04:52] <valorie> honestly, you are the first person to report so many problems
[04:52] <KsChoice> valorie: no problem, I'm happy now to have some help here and there
[04:52] <valorie> and really, problems seem rather rare this time around
[04:52] <valorie> although SDDM has been a bit chancy for some
[04:53] <KsChoice> I really hope its just me.. 14.10 worked near perfect out of the box on this laptop, but 15.04.. And well, I would imagine, KDE5, systemd, okay.. but I have many other bugs and problems that appear not to be related to either of those
[04:53] <valorie> I had to uninstall both lightdm and kdm to get it to work at all
[04:53] <KsChoice> valorie: I'll check if I perhaps have kdm and lightdm installed.. If so, they're gone
[04:54] <valorie> well, you have frameworks 5 already in 14.10
[04:54] <KsChoice> valorie: okay, just did apt update aand apt upgrade with the main server, no updates at all, I'll try your sources.list
[04:54] <valorie> so only Plasma 5.2 was new in 15.04
[04:54] <valorie> plus, as you say, systemd and SDDM
[04:56] <keithzg> I wonder if somehow a set of package lists was pulled down that was then timestamped incorrectly on your system, KsChoice? So perhaps it keeps thinking there's no new updates because it mistakenly compares? (Although that's not how I remember apt working, but otherwise I can't quite figure it out).
[04:57] <KsChoice> keithzg: I have no idea.. Would an apt-get clear all work, perhaps?
[04:57] <KsChoice> valorie: doing apt update with your sources list now
[04:58] <valorie> fingers crossed for luck, KsChoice
[04:58] <KsChoice> valorie: By now, I have my toes crossed, even
[04:59] <keithzg> KsChoice: Yeah, if Valorie's sources.list doesn't work, you might try "sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:59] <KsChoice> valorie: What I asked keithzg, would apt-get clear all work, perhaps? dumping the entire cache?
[04:59] <KsChoice> keithzg: alright, will do
[04:59] <KsChoice> keithzg: though valorie said that "apt full-upgrade" would be better
[04:59] <KsChoice> It updates really really slow on these servers
[05:00] <keithzg> KsChoice: Basically, I chose that because you've tried "apt full-upgrade" before already :)
[05:00] <keithzg> Just trying to jostle the variables around and hoping something shakes it up positively!
[05:00] <valorie> good thought, keithzg
[05:00] <valorie> lots still use apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:01] <valorie> hard to teach your fingers new commands
[05:01] <KsChoice> keithzg: yeah! This, by far, is the weirdest thing I"ve ever had.. the apt not upgrading, I mean
[05:01] <KsChoice> keithzg: so besides disabling lock screen, any other idea what could be causing the lock screen issue?
[05:02] <KsChoice> valorie: The 15.10 release will do wayland as well, right?
[05:02] <valorie> KsChoice: we don't know that yet
[05:02] <KsChoice> Also, just remembering something.. Ubuntu is going to use... what was it called? snappy packages or something? self contained stuff.. Anyway, please tell me that Kubuntu is not going to do that?
[05:02] <valorie> the kwin devels are doing what they can to prepare, but so far, wayland isn't ready for prime time
[05:03] <KsChoice> valorie: From what I've read, I think I would like wayland
[05:03] <valorie> snappy is for phones and so forth so far
[05:03] <KsChoice> Geez, update is still running.. its really slow.. But who cares, as long as it will give me updates
[05:03] <valorie> KsChoice: there is a branch of kwin you can build to test it out
[05:03] <KsChoice> valorie: And rist even buggier desktop? Lol.. First I want my desktop okay, then I'll start testing wayland
[05:04] <valorie> just telling you that a branch is available
[05:04] <valorie> not sure it would be safe on anything but a test box
[05:04] <KsChoice> valorie: What is it called?
[05:04] <valorie> err
[05:04] <valorie> I would ask in #kwin
[05:04] <KsChoice> valorie: Because yeah, it does interrest me, but .. well, first I got to have this running right again :D
[05:06] <KsChoice> valorie: keithzg: finished apt update, nothing
[05:06] <valorie> weird!
[05:06] <KsChoice> now clearing cache
[05:06] <valorie> I had an enormous number of updates earlier today after adding backports
[05:07] <KsChoice> valorie: I am using your sources.list
[05:07] <KsChoice> valorie: Do you have any other sources file maybe in /etc/sources.list.d/ ?
[05:07] <KsChoice> valorie: Nothing! 8|
[05:08] <KsChoice> keithzg: apt-get clean did NOT work
[05:08] <valorie> cat: /etc/sources.list.d: No such file or directory
[05:08] <KsChoice> valorie: /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[05:09] <KsChoice> valorie: Just out of curiosity by the way, are you a developer, or a power user?
[05:09] <valorie> oops, I just c/p 'ed
[05:09] <KsChoice> I like to think I"m a power user, not a dev though
[05:09] <valorie> just a long time user and community member
[05:09] <KsChoice> c/p'ed?
[05:09] <valorie> copy/pasted
[05:09] <KsChoice> valorie: ah, yeah, I see, my bad, sorry
[05:11] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11238425/
[05:11] <valorie> I've been involved in planning, organizing, documentation, etc.
[05:11] <valorie> plus upstream in KDE
[05:11] <KsChoice> valorie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11238427/
[05:12] <KsChoice> valorie: After all these years, I think I might have to get a bit more active in the community
[05:12] <KsChoice> valorie: It does appear I have a few less repos
[05:12] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ValorieZimmerman
[05:12] <valorie> I got more active once my last kid left home
[05:13] <KsChoice> valorie: Well very nice to meet you (though I've talked to you on many occasions before)
[05:14] <KsChoice> valorie: I"m Sven Oostenbrink, I'll be on google somewhere.. I'll try to see that maybe this week I can do some more in the community
[05:14] <valorie> KsChoice: cool, nice to meet you
[05:14] <valorie> I guess I would suggest re-installing 14.10 for now, since you liked it
[05:14] <valorie> unless you have a lot of patience!
[05:15] <KsChoice> valorie: I really really was hoping that would not be necesarry... But as it stands right now.. I'm not even getting updates!
[05:15] <valorie> so strange
[05:15] <KsChoice> valorie: patience? I've been living this... well, thatever 15.04 is for me right now for like a month and a half already so yeah, I think I have patience, lol
[05:16] <KsChoice> valorie: keithzg: Any other ideas? I'm out
[05:16] <KsChoice> valorie: besides just, indeed, reinstalling
[05:16] <valorie> when you ran the update and upgrade commands in the cli, what was the output?
[05:16] <KsChoice> I really really really don't want to get back to 14.10 if I can avoid it
[05:17] <valorie> just "no updates available" or whatever?
[05:17] <KsChoice> valorie: update just showed it updating from all the sources, and upgrade said all is up to date
[05:17] <valorie> and that was after adding the backports?
[05:17] <valorie> that seems impossible to me
[05:18] <valorie> on day zero, maybe
[05:18] <KsChoice> valorie: I'm using your sources.list file!
[05:18] <KsChoice> valorie: And the last updates I got was like a week ago, and that was google chrome
[05:18] <valorie> but backports was full of stuff within a week or so
[05:18] <valorie> plasma 5.3 and the applications is a lot of stuff
[05:19] <KsChoice> valorie: Nothing for me, santa clause skipped my house
[05:19] <valorie> sheesh
[05:19] <keithzg> KsChoice: Could you give us a paste for the output of, say, "apt-cache policy plasma-desktop"?
[05:20] <KsChoice> By the way, you guys too, use pastebinit, right? very nice utility
[05:20] <valorie> yes
[05:20] <valorie> life-saver sometimes
[05:20] <KsChoice> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11238532/
[05:20] <KsChoice> keithzg: ^^^
[05:21] <keithzg> KsChoice: Okay, so it's pretty certain you've got Plasma 5.3 already installed, then.
[05:22] <KsChoice> keithzg: valorie: Just to check.. I have specified "Download all updates in background".. That does not install them autoamtically, does it?
[05:22] <KsChoice> And even if they did, all my problems either stayed the same, or got worse
[05:22] <valorie> um, ALL updates?
[05:23] <valorie> yes, they would then be downloaded automatically
[05:23] <valorie> I only do that with security updates
[05:24] <KsChoice> valorie: yeah, downloaded, but also installed?
[05:24] <keithzg> One would think from that setting they wouldn't be *installed* automatically, though, right? Can't say I know from experience though. I normally have that set to manual myself.
[05:24] <valorie> not sure
[05:24] <KsChoice> valorie: I thought that would only download them in cahce so update would be faster
[05:24] <valorie> not sure about that
[05:24] <KsChoice> valorie: In all honesty, I never set.. IF that installs automatically as well, then that would explain a thing or two, I would have been getting updates, but I never realized it
[05:25] <KsChoice> valorie: only.. then these updates have fixed nothing for me..
[05:25] <keithzg> KsChoice: If you are indeed up to date, I'd say then though that you should give switching to the Nouveau drivers a shot. Could accomplish nothing, but could fix a lot.
[05:25] <KsChoice> keithzg: I"ve set to only notify on updates, and I'll switch to nouveau drivers
[05:26]  * keithzg crosses fingers
[05:27] <KsChoice> keithzg: valorie: Any idea on the hanging KDE file interactions? meaning, krunner, when I start typing "HANGGG" for about 1-2 minutes.. then it works normally .. Same for kdialog, if in chrome, I do save as, I don't see the kdialog until like 2 minutes after
[05:27] <KsChoice> And usually its only once per session
[05:28] <KsChoice> Oh please oh please, don't make this not start X at all
[05:28] <valorie> it is possible that some other process such as baloo is hanging your system
[05:29] <KsChoice> valorie: Nah, balloo sometimes hangs at 100%, and I kill it..
[05:29] <valorie> control+escape gets you the system activity widget
[05:29] <KsChoice> valorie: Actually, balloo is that "I never use it" desktop search thing, right? I used to be able to kill the entire thing on previous kubuntu installs, but on 15.04 I haven't found the option.. Where can I shut that off?
[05:30] <KsChoice> valorie: I do loads of stuff with command line, so I use top :)
[05:31] <KsChoice> valorie: keithzg: Gotta go to sleep now, going to be early bird tomorrow.. Both thank you lots for the help so far, I'll have to reboot for the nouveau driver results, but I'll leave that for tomorrow, I don't want to be messing the entire night with my laptop..
[05:31] <valorie> "There is no explicit “Enable/Disable” button any more. We would like to promote the use of searching and feel that Baloo should never get in the users way. However, we are smart about it and IF you add your HOME directory to the list of “excluded folders”, Baloo will switch itself off since it no longer has anything to index.
[05:31] <valorie> from http://askubuntu.com/questions/437635/how-to-turn-off-baloo-in-kde-4-13
[05:31] <valorie> would be better to file a bug though
[05:31] <valorie> vishesh is fantastic
[05:32] <KsChoice> valorie: Ah, will do so :) Nothing against balloo, I search a lot but I use  command line a LOT
[05:32] <valorie> vishesh being the maintainer
[05:32] <KsChoice> valorie: vishesh?
[05:32] <KsChoice> ah, okay
[05:32] <KsChoice> well
[05:32] <KsChoice> Gotta go to sleep now.. Thanks a lot for the help so far!
[05:32] <valorie> sweet dreams
[05:32] <KsChoice> I'll try to be around more on IRC to help around
[05:32] <KsChoice> by the way
[05:32] <phoenixz> This is me :)
[05:33] <phoenixz> Since I had to resetup Quassel again (every week) I was on the wrong nick name
[05:33] <phoenixz> I'll leave this quassel bug for the quassel maintainers, I hope they know more about it
[05:33] <phoenixz> Signing off, TTYL!
[05:35]  * keithzg heads off himself
[06:21] <soee> good morning
[06:34] <noaXess> morning
[06:35] <noaXess> does anybody has a notebook and using nvidia-prime, intel/nvidia dual grafic?
[06:38] <valorie> noaXess: I know there are a few people who have nvidia-prime
[07:58] <noaXess> valorie: thanks.. my interesting is, how to connect a monitor to HDMI port.. in the moment i use notebook monitor and a external monitor connected to VGA port...
[08:05] <valorie> noaXess: a bit of googling brought up: http://negativo17.org/complex-setup-with-nvidia-optimus-nouveau-prime-on-fedora-19-2/
[08:06] <valorie> might shed some light on your issue
[08:06] <noaXess> so it's not easy plug and play.. that i know already..
[08:06] <valorie> I googled on connect a monitor to HDMI port plasma 5 nvidia-prime
[08:06] <valorie> there is other stuff of course
[08:07] <noaXess> don't have plasma 5 yet.. tested, not happy.. not stable and some stuff still not available
[08:07] <noaXess> ex. networking can't use only wicd..
[08:07] <noaXess> using wicd long time until 14.10
[08:13] <valorie> noaXess: I've been using plasma 5 for almost a year
[08:14] <valorie> I thought I had a networking problem but it turned out to be a dying network card
[08:14] <valorie> works just fine on this laptop (rather old)
[08:14] <sick_rimmit> valorie: Yes me too, I used Plasma 5 Tech Preview in production as my work desktop... Naughty I know
[08:14] <noaXess> valorie: hm.. i'm not happy yet... also some third party apps don't show any tray icon.. in on my notebook its crashing sometimes.. and i need to poweroff... with 14.10 plasma 4 it's working perfect
[08:15] <valorie> sounds like a good reason to stay on 14.10
[08:16] <valorie> I used to get crashes using project neon, but (knock on wood) nothing since Vivid alpha
[09:24] <remmas> hi
[10:59] <allen_> cl
[11:03] <adamc> I dont suppose anyone knows when the fix for kwin_x11 is likely to come out? This is regarding the xinerama issue for 3 or more screens, whereby kwin_x11 crashes after login
[11:09] <swizgard> what happened to .kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/bookmarks.xml?
[11:09] <swizgard> why does it have no effect on anything anymore? where did you hide my config?
[11:35] <adamc> @swizgard, if its like anything else ive been looking at it will probably be in ~/.local and then the same structure youve already mentioned
[11:39] <swizgard> .local/share/user-places.xbel
[11:39] <swizgard> i guess freedesktop unificatino bliss
[12:57] <nopuk> anyone know how to get yahoo emoticons working for the default IM client in kubuntu ?
[13:01] <hyper_ch> yes
[13:02] <nopuk> hyper_ch:  ?
[13:02] <hyper_ch> yes?
[13:03] <nopuk> hyper_ch:  ?so how ?
[13:03] <hyper_ch> no idea
 anyone know  --> <hyper_ch> yes (someone knows)
[13:04] <nopuk> hyper_ch: yeah ok, no need to be like that - we all know its a support forum
[13:04] <hyper_ch> it's an irc channel... not a forum IMHO
[13:04] <nopuk> fine, I'll just wait for some help
[13:05] <hyper_ch> :)
[13:05] <psycomp> join #windows
[13:05] <psycomp> sorry :D
[13:06] <hyper_ch> I get faster internet with my LTE connection than with my expensive calbe connection :(
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:10] <nopuk> how do i get yahoo emoticons working for the default IM client in kubuntu ?
[14:17] <yossarianuk> hi - I have a baloo_file process that is  using up most of my CPU%
[14:17] <yossarianuk> how can I see what its meant to be doing ?
[14:18] <yossarianuk> if I strace it I see nothing
[14:18] <s_20> it's meant to index the filesystem so that it can be searched quickly
[14:18] <yossarianuk> but how come if I strace the pid I see no feedback ?
[14:19] <yossarianuk> i.e -> ps aux|grep baloo_file  -> strace -p 5586
[14:19] <s_20> i'm not familiar with the implementation details, maybe it's in a bad state
[14:19] <s_20> how about you give it a little nudge (SIGTERM) and see if the new process is in a more cooperative mood
[14:20] <yossarianuk> i.e kill
[14:20] <s_20> indeed
[14:20] <s_20> well, terminate, not kill, maybe it can still shut down cleanly
[14:21] <yossarianuk> hmmm kill 5586, just killed it.
[14:21] <Zippi> for me, baloo_file started acting more nicely once I set indexing to ignore ~/Downloads and ~/Videos
[14:22] <Zippi> as in, exclude places that have big files
[14:23] <s_20> also, lsof might give you a better idea what file might keep it so busy
[14:24] <yossarianuk> s_20: Zippi: cheers
[14:26] <yossarianuk> so is there no sensible way of showing what baloo is doing ?
[14:26] <yossarianuk> (other than lsof, etc)
[14:27] <s_20> yossarianuk: well, there's not much more to see than checking it's CPU/RAM usage and the files it's currently reading from/writing to
[14:27] <s_20> what kind of information are you looking for?
[14:29] <KsChoice> Okay, so I have a laptop with Nvidia card, and I used Nvidia binary drivers before, which probably caused  bunch of problems left and right, so user keithgr suggested using the nouveau drivers.. So I switched, and the turned off my laptop because I had to sleep. Just turned it on and I get initramfs, my laptop is dead. dmesg gives me loads of "nouv
[14:29] <KsChoice> eau blah blah SCHED_ERROR [ UNK08]"
[14:30] <KsChoice> So I want to switch back to the Nvidia binary driver but how do I do this? I'm stuck at initramfs
[14:32] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk,do a search in system monitor
[14:32] <s_20> KsChoice: boot up a from a rescue system (cd/dvd/usb) and chroot into the system
[14:33] <KsChoice> That's what I was afraid of
[14:35] <s_20> KsChoice: or do it without a rescue system and boot using init=/bin/bash ;) that might cause fsck to kick in next time you boot though
[14:35] <BluesKaj> KsChoice, or drop to a tty and remove the nvidia driver then reinstall the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau driver
[14:36] <BluesKaj> tty/vt that is
[14:41] <KsChoice> Alrighty, I'm in with USB Kubuntu, now I need to chroot
[14:41] <KsChoice> Going to be fun, because its encrypted LVM
[14:41] <KsChoice> I really gotta get back to 14.10 :(
[14:49] <BluesKaj> no need to do the chroot thing , making it more complicted than it needs to be
[14:49] <BluesKaj> oh well , have fun
[14:50] <KsChoice> BluesKaj: I just did that.. Unencrypted the LVM, activated the LVM, mounted boot in the /mnt/kubunto/boot of my laptop drive, chroot to /mnt/kubuntu and then I should be able to run the driver manager, whcih I'm doing now.. What would be easier?
[14:51] <KsChoice> Doesn't matter much anyway, as long as I get my laptop back for the moment. This next weekend I really have to fall back to 14.10, 15.10 has become unworkable for me, its not funny anymore
[14:53] <xennex81> hi guys
[14:54] <KsChoice> Updated to 346 updates driver, lets see if that gives some sort of stability...
[14:55] <xennex81> nvidia?
[14:55] <xennex81> lots of trouble with that but I have nvidia too and I am wanting to install Kubuntu shortly
[14:56] <rattking> HI, I have been getting segfaults trying to start kde with the 5.3 ppa. it had been working fine until yesteday.. I dont know what changed.. I am in gnome right now (ick) and every kde app I start works fine but I cant get into the DE anymore..
[14:57] <xennex81> you mean plasma 5.3?
[14:57] <xennex81> rebooting
[14:58] <rattking> 's/start kde/start plasma/' better?
[15:00] <KsChoice> BluesKaj: I just did that.. Unencrypted the LVM, activated the LVM, mounted boot in the /mnt/kubunto/boot of my laptop drive, chroot to /mnt/kubuntu and then I should be able to run the driver manager, whcih I'm doing now.. What would be easier?
[15:00] <KsChoice> Anyway, rebooting right now, brb... I hope..
[15:03] <rattking> its errors like these in dmesg loading plasma 5.3 "kscreen_backend[5390]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f7bcaf0dc40 sp 00007ffd605f4d28 error 4 in KSC_XRandR.so[7f7bcaef8000+22000]" that started yesterday prior to that everything was fine
[15:04] <adamc> do you have multiple monitors?
[15:04] <adamc> I have a similar issue when xinerama is enabled across multiple monitors
[15:05] <MichaelP> Is there a good wiki or  anything that tells how to modify xorg.conf for ati and explains what each thing is ? I did Load "glx" ... That seemed to help on kde plasma 5
[15:09] <rattking> I do have multiple monitors (this is a laptop) but it still happens with the ext monitor unplugged
[15:09] <xennex81> okay so, I'm in Kubuntu 15.04 live installer
[15:09] <xennex81> but I get no KDE menu, I get no desktop icon with "install", I don' t know how to install this thing
[15:10] <xennex81> I can press alt-F2 and start firefox, which I have done, what this is
[15:10] <xennex81> but I don't know how to install, I have an empty desktop
[15:10] <xennex81> real good start, kubuntu
[15:10] <xennex81> my god
[15:10] <adamc> if your in the live installer you should have had a menu prior to this giving you the option to try on install
[15:11] <xennex81> i had the prior menu with try and install
[15:11] <xennex81> in a real bad resolution, so I chose "try"
[15:11] <xennex81> besides, I need to create an LVM
[15:11] <xennex81> oh I could do that now and install later from "install"
[15:12] <adamc> it sounds like when you get to the initial menu screen you need to select one of the override options, give me a sec to try and remember which one :D
[15:12] <xennex81> oh
[15:12] <xennex81> i have good resolution now, just nothing on the desktop, no panel
[15:13] <xennex81> what command can I run manually to start the installer?
[15:13] <adamc> is it just basically a blank screen?
[15:13] <xennex81> yes
[15:13] <xennex81> with a mouse cursor
[15:13] <xennex81> and the plasma default background
[15:13] <adamc> sounds like the window manager hasnt started
[15:13] <BluesKaj> xennex81, do you have a panel? If so click on the desktop , choose add widgets , type launcher , choose the Kmenu launcher there
[15:13] <xennex81> right
[15:13] <xennex81> i have that button
[15:13] <adamc> try alt-f2 and then type kwin_x11 and see if that launches or crashes
[15:14] <BluesKaj> right click on the desktop rather
[15:15] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: Yay, I kick ass :D Now using nvidia 346 updates driver, and things actually *appear* more stable..
[15:15] <xennex81> i didn't see any kmenu but I have a K button now in the top left
[15:15] <xennex81> that can start the menu (cascading menu)
[15:15] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: So what was the easier way to update the nvidia driver while only having initramfs, or USB kubuntu available?
[15:16] <xennex81> now I have a panel (add panel -> default panel)
[15:16] <xennex81> wicked @BluesKaj ;-)
[15:16] <xennex81> but how do I install or start the installer?
[15:17] <xennex81> kwin_x11 doesn't provide anything new from what I can see, adamc
[15:17] <BluesKaj> phoenixz, i thought you had grub working but no DM , hence my suggestion
[15:17] <phoenixz> xennex81: Though many people reported great results with Kubuntu 15.04 I've had horrible experiences so far.. Using ASUS G750J laptop.. Many issues (though not all) are very likely related to nvidia driver, do NOT use the nouveau driver or you'll have to use USB kubuntu to chroot to your install and then change driver.. I'm right now using nvidia binary 346 updates driver, and that appears stable for the moment..
[15:18] <phoenixz> xennex81: With the recommended 346.59 driver, SDDM would basically fail to show 9 out of 10 times (I'd have to go to shell, and restart SDDM manually about 10 times before I would see a login screen) but right now after 2 reboots, I got sddm login right away, which is kind of a mirable ot me at this moment..
[15:18] <xennex81> found it, system -> install kubuntu
[15:18] <BluesKaj> phoenixz, just because your method worked for your setup doesn't mean it will with others
[15:19] <xennex81> phoenixz: okay so I am in for a world of hurt
[15:19] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: well, usb kubuntu, chroot, quite easy actually and it worked like a charm.. I tried the nvidia 346 updates driver right away to see if that maybe would improve things and ... well, I got a login screen right after booting twice, without having to mess around, which is currently a miracle for me
[15:19] <xennex81> phoenixz: I have heard of the nouveau vs nvidia issues...
[15:19] <BluesKaj> xennex81,  just try to install from where you are
[15:19] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: chroot, and driver update usually works reasonably well.. 15.04 on the other hand, so far, has worked horribly bad :(
[15:19] <xennex81> i try
[15:20] <phoenixz> xennex81: What is your problem?
[15:20] <xennex81> but this thing has onboard ATI/AMD and discrete nVidia
[15:20] <BluesKaj> phoenixz, blah blah blah witht chroot enough already , that's a last resort
[15:20] <phoenixz> xennex81: you have nvidia and ati mixed?
[15:20] <xennex81> phoenixz: I couldn't get a normal desktop in live session
[15:21] <xennex81> phoenixz: yes, but currently I am using the nvidia
[15:21] <xennex81> phoenixz: normally In Windows I only Install the Nvidia sthing
[15:21] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: Somebody needs his morning coffee? I'm simply stating what I just did, and that it worked for me...
[15:21] <xennex81> phoenixz: could be correct, phoenixz
[15:21] <xennex81> I have heard of nvidia pains on the forums
[15:22] <BluesKaj> if your nvidia gpu was working on 14.10 9 chances out of 10 it will work on 15.04
[15:22] <xennex81> lots of evil in 15.04 ;-)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> xennex81, not true
[15:22] <xennex81> haven't tried yet, fresh install on this computer (runs Windows)
[15:22] <xennex81> okay
[15:22] <xennex81> LVM creation :)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> if you don't need lvm why use just because it's supposed to be so flexible , well mit ain't
[15:23] <xennex81> when I install Windows I wanted a 30 gig spare partition for e.g. BackTrack
[15:23] <xennex81> so I have one partition on this thing
[15:23] <xennex81> I want to put LVM in there
[15:24] <xennex81> otherwise....
[15:24] <xennex81> tough
[15:24] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: 14.10 has worked great on this laptop and 15.04 has been an unmitigated disaster, so far.. LOADS of bugs, many probably related to Nvidia driver, but loads of other stuff on systemd and kde5 as well, and even after that, still loads of problems with just plain kubuntu...  I've been on kubuntu for 10 years, and most releases would get 9 or 10 score from me (personally that is), 15.04 would not get higher than 2 or 3 so far, and unless
[15:24] <phoenixz> this new nvidia driver I'm using is going to resolve some major issues, I'll be reinstalling 14.10 this next weekend when I have some time for it
[15:24] <BluesKaj> backtrack is replaced by kali linux
[15:24] <xennex81> I know
[15:24] <xennex81> I wanted BT5R3, but anyway
[15:24] <xennex81> it is Kubuntu now
[15:25] <xennex81> phoenixz: I have heard of it all
[15:25] <xennex81> phoenixz: I just want to try it and help with bug fixes
[15:25] <xennex81> I am not productive on Linux anyway ;-)
[15:25] <xennex81> except in trying to fix linux ;-)
[15:25] <xennex81> Linux is the goal, glory and reason :P :P
[15:25] <xennex81> lol
[15:25] <xennex81> not really, but still
[15:26] <moparisthebest> is there a kubuntu alternate install someplace?
[15:26] <phoenixz> xennex81: Don't get me wrong, 14.10 ias absolutely great, and 15.04 has loads of potential to be even more than that, but so far I personally feel it has been released before its time, or just too much new stuff
[15:26] <moparisthebest> the graphical installer fails setting up a luks partition
[15:26] <BluesKaj> phoenixz, you can try to pull rank, but I've been kubuntu for 10ys as well, the simplest approach is usually the most effective IME.
[15:26] <xennex81> of course it has :) phoenixz
[15:26] <moparisthebest> I'm looking for 14.04 btw
[15:26] <xennex81> 15.04 has been released at least months before the whole change and the whole shebang with Plasma5 was ready
[15:26] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: Not trying to pull rank at all, just talking about my experiences with 15.04 so far, in contrast to all other versions
[15:27] <xennex81> everyone tripping because it needs to be ported (everything) to KF5
[15:27] <phoenixz> moparisthebest: afaik, not really, but at the grub on the install disk, you should see the option to install directly, which IIRC should get you the text installer
[15:27] <xennex81> they say a product is only best at thte end of its life cycle
[15:27] <moparisthebest> phoenixz: maybe the oem install option?
[15:28] <phoenixz> moparisthebest: Could be yeah, but don't take my word for it, it has been a while when I tried those :D
[15:28] <BluesKaj> phoenixz, i have nvidia and haven't had the problems you describe , aamof I'm already running 15.10 Wily and it's actually quite satble
[15:28] <BluesKaj> err stable
[15:28] <phoenixz> xennex81: I'm really looking forward to wayland with KDE5 and actually all issues fixed... But that will be 15.10 or perhaps even 16.04 still
[15:30] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: well that has been my experience so far.. With exception of the release that had the crappy KDE4.0, I nearly always ran alpha versions of Kubuntu and rarely had huge issues. In contrast, 15.04 official release has given me a long, long list of issues.. Yesterday night I spent like an hour here ranting about it because I was desperate for something workable
[15:30] <moparisthebest> hmm no phoenixz still graphical installer
[15:30] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: I can easily come up with 10+ bugs that really sour my life atm with 15.04
[15:30] <BluesKaj> early days with not many new packages , but it's working better than my 15.04 install
[15:31] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.3 phoenixz ?
[15:33] <xennex81> 15.10 is already installable, the beginning of it...
[15:34] <xennex81> I have my LVM :)
[15:34] <xennex81> I think LVM is easy but I have some prior experience with it
[15:34] <BluesKaj> suggest you look at the launchpad kubuntu-backports ppa for plasma 5.3 , it should solve some of your 5.2.2 issues https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[15:34] <xennex81> I like removing them and adding new ones
[15:34] <BluesKaj> phoenixz, ^
[15:34] <xennex81> right
[15:35] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: yep, KDE 5.3
[15:35] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: I'm already on those backports, one of the first things I did
[15:35] <phoenixz> moparisthebest: What exactly does it crash on?
[15:36] <phoenixz> brb, gotta step out for am inute
[15:36] <moparisthebest> error creating keyfile or something
[15:36] <moparisthebest> maybe because I want a primary partition and not a stupid LVM
[15:37] <xennex81> I wanted to combine truecrypt with grub2 but I thought it was easy, a quick google gave me scored of headaches before even trying
[15:37] <BluesKaj> odd that you have all those problems then , addmittedly plasma 5 and plasma4 integration is somewhat buggy, but once 5.3 was installed it solved most of my stability problems, phoenixz
[15:37] <xennex81> now I'll install over the truecrypt loader and I'll justh have to load windows using the rescue dvd
[15:37] <xennex81> then try to get grub2 chainloading the truecrypt iso
[15:40] <xennex81> grub2 is a nightmare though
[15:40] <xennex81> I wish you could still download 14.10 from the downloads page though
[15:40] <xennex81> the website only features 14.04 and 15.04
[15:40] <xennex81> not that it matters
[15:40] <xennex81> I would have installed 15.04 anyway
[15:41] <xennex81> I think we should just press and enjoy the fresh stream of updates and hope 15.04 or 15.10 stabilizes soon
[15:41] <psycomp> xennex81: You can still get 14.10 though, but why would you want it?
[15:42] <xennex81> yes exactly, but there were issues in 14.10 too that I had
[15:42] <xennex81> I just like the .10 versions ;-)
[15:42] <xennex81> don't know why exactly
[15:42] <xennex81> and, 14.10 is visually much better than Breeze, although I believe there are Oxygen packages for 15.04 now
[15:43] <xennex81> I feel much better about going to 15.10, for instance, although it is a bit fresh
[15:43] <psycomp> xennex81: It is still too fresh, and most things remain unchanged from 15.04
[15:44] <BluesKaj> yes oxygen is available in 15.04 , but some of the apps still won't use it's setings
[15:44] <xennex81> oh
[15:44] <BluesKaj> err settings
[15:44] <xennex81> I was using Glassified for the panel and so on
[15:45] <xennex81> but 15.04 the icons are too small
[15:45] <xennex81> in the task bar
[15:45] <xennex81> i can barely make out the firefox icon
[15:45] <xennex81> i have to increase its height (of the panel) to increase the icon size, to make it workable
[15:46] <xennex81> the default is too bad
[15:47] <BluesKaj> you can set the icons in system settings>icons>advanced , but some settings still won't work...it's that  plasma 4 and plasma 5 integration problem
[15:48] <xennex81> okay
[15:48] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: for custom luks/raid setup use the mini install cd
[15:48] <xennex81> it just installed the boot loader :)
[15:48] <xennex81> i want to get Steam running and run Diablo from here :)
[15:49] <xennex81> except that I don't have my authenticator device with me
[15:49] <xennex81> :(
[15:49] <xennex81> and I won't even have enough space on my kubuntu volumes probably, will need to install on NTFS
[15:50] <hyper_ch> oxygen on 15.04 has also increased spacing :(
[15:51] <xennex81> oh boy
[15:51] <xennex81> both partitions are truecrypt protected still
[15:51] <xennex81> hmmm
[15:51] <BluesKaj> usually a / and a /home partition are sufficient for most users ...encryptioon and lvm aren't necessary unles you're on a production pc of some kind
[15:51] <xennex81> oh i could have done that, /home
[15:51] <hyper_ch> just encrypt everything :) that is the best
[15:52] <xennex81> well I'll just shrink this / I guess
[15:52] <moparisthebest> hyper_ch: where would I find a mini install cd ?
[15:52] <xennex81> i like to encrypt everything but it is difficult in Linux
[15:52] <xennex81> very difficult
[15:52] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: 15.04?
[15:52] <moparisthebest> no 14.04
[15:52] <hyper_ch> xennex81: not really
[15:52] <xennex81> LUKS is not very user friendly
[15:52] <xennex81> having a kind of separate volume setup is difficult, in Windows it is very easy
[15:52] <moparisthebest> xennex81: if you just go with a standard setup it's perfectly user friendly
[15:53] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[15:53] <hyper_ch> what's not user friendly about luks?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, stop spouting BS please
[15:53] <xennex81> you just load the system and up pops a screen that says "there are additional volumes that could be mounted"
[15:53] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: what are you refering to?
[15:53] <xennex81> luks is user friendly at least as you don't want to change anything, same with grub2
[15:54] <xennex81> try to have a different volume with a different key/password
[15:54] <xennex81> and have it mounted when you log in to your user
[15:54] <hyper_ch> luks offers multiple passwords and keys for access
[15:54] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, about encrypting everything
[15:54] <xennex81> i know
[15:54] <hyper_ch> so multiple users can use it
[15:54] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: that's still the best way
[15:54] <xennex81> it's not the system, it is the user tools
[15:54] <moparisthebest> thank you hyper_ch
[15:54] <BluesKaj> for what?
[15:54] <hyper_ch> temp, swap... nothing to worry about
[15:54] <xennex81> i know I have had LUKSed LVM
[15:54] <xennex81> I still have it
[15:54] <xennex81> I like it, but there is no differentiation
[15:55] <hyper_ch> I don't believe in lvm :)
[15:55] <moparisthebest> xennex81: a different non-root luks volume couldn't be easier
[15:55] <xennex81> a real good encryption setup needs plausible deniability levels
[15:55] <xennex81> how so?
[15:55] <moparisthebest> you put the keyfile on the root luks partition, and it gets automounted and set up
[15:55] <xennex81> right but for plausible deniability and/or multiple levels of safety you need it NOT be automounted
[15:55] <hyper_ch> xennex81: depends on where you live
[15:55] <xennex81> although it is better than a single setup
[15:55] <moparisthebest> xennex81: an entry in /etc/crypttab looks like:
[15:56] <xennex81> no just personal interests
[15:56] <moparisthebest> fourtb4  UUID=7bfe404f-142a-4356-bf19-dff43038fbfb /root/comp.key luks
[15:56] <xennex81> I know
[15:56] <moparisthebest> I have like 8 drives set up that way
[15:56] <xennex81> you can even have the LUKS key to the root fs copied to your initramfs
[15:56] <moparisthebest> so I type 1 password to unlock the root partition, the others are automatic
[15:56] <xennex81> right
[15:56] <BluesKaj> xennex81, hyper_ch do you guys think that anyone who asks for support here is on the job? is that it?
[15:56] <xennex81> that's better than nothing
[15:56] <moparisthebest> luks is not for plausible deniability, that'd be all manual
[15:56] <xennex81> hm?
[15:56] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: I don't understand your question
[15:56] <BluesKaj> just read it
[15:56] <xennex81> what
[15:57] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: I still don't understand what you mean by that
[15:57] <xennex81> we are just chatting?
[15:57] <xennex81> system is installed
[15:57] <xennex81> rebooting now, cya soon
[15:57] <BluesKaj> there home users here who don't need encyption and lvm etc etc ...it's nonsense for them
[15:57] <hyper_ch> why is encryption nonsense to them?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> because it's not needed
[15:58] <hyper_ch> you may think it's not neede
[15:58] <hyper_ch> d
[15:59] <BluesKaj> iand it's dangerous for those who don't know how to usew it ptoperly
[15:59] <hyper_ch> I think it is very much needed
[15:59] <moparisthebest> I disagree, anyone's computer can be stolen right?
[15:59] <moparisthebest> also your drive could die in a way where you can't wipe it
[15:59] <BluesKaj> well I don't
[15:59] <moparisthebest> especially under warranty or something?
[15:59] <hyper_ch> besides, that guys already wants encryption and encrypting everything is a lot more convenient than just making sure that only the stuff you actually want to encrypt is encrypted
[16:00] <hyper_ch> laptops get stolen all the time
[16:00] <BluesKaj> it's not necessary for home users and you know it ...ridiculous , just because you can doen't mean it's needed, hyper_ch
[16:01] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: it's necessary for home users and you know it
[16:01] <moparisthebest> BluesKaj: so home user's computers can't be stolen?
[16:02] <hyper_ch> also cell phones and tablets should be encrypted etc
[16:02] <hyper_ch> oh wait.... google and apple have started to autoencrypt cell phones
[16:02] <BluesKaj> never used it , and it's not necessary...most theives wouldn't know how toi linux anyway \
[16:03] <BluesKaj> run
[16:03] <moparisthebest> they don't need to know how to use it if they can just turn it on and log into your bank accounts with firefox
[16:03] <BluesKaj> moparisthebest, how if they can't get past the login even
[16:04] <moparisthebest> a lot of computers are set to auto-login no?
[16:05] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: he probably lives in a country where online banking access is protected by some rsa smart card where you get presented a code, you need to enter your smart card into a device, punch in that code and you'll get a reply gcode
[16:05] <BluesKaj> moparisthebest that's dumb
[16:05] <moparisthebest> hyper_ch: do countries like that exist? haha
[16:05] <BluesKaj> autologin
[16:05] <rattking> common folks can we agree to stop telling people they are doing it wrong because they are doing something different then the way you do it?
[16:05] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: not sure... but IIRC some country requires IE 6 for online banking
[16:06] <BluesKaj> is dumb , and that's your reason for encryption ...gimme a break
[16:06] <moparisthebest> no my reason for encryption is to know if someone steals my stuff, they can't get my passwords/data etc, I don't have to just hope they aren't technical in the least
[16:07] <BluesKaj> autologin that is
[16:07] <moparisthebest> especially when encryption is for all intents and purposes free
[16:07] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: people are lazy... so there's autologin of course
[16:07] <rattking> OTOH I have encryption and auto login. I already have to type 3 passwords to boot the system who cares about the user login once the disk is unlocked and decrypted ..
[16:07] <moparisthebest> if you think an account password protects your data on the disk there is no point in continuing this conversation
[16:08] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: with all the info on your computer, identity theft is very easy
[16:08] <BluesKaj> do you really think a lazy person is going to encrypt their data?
[16:08] <xennex81> okay my system still runs as it did before, ie. it still starts up the way the live session started up
[16:08] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, paranoia
[16:08] <moparisthebest> why not? they are already used to typing a password no? and afterwards it's invisible
[16:09] <hyper_ch> identity theft is paranoia?
[16:09] <xennex81> don't care, that's for everyone else to decide, on their own, what they want with that
[16:09] <BluesKaj> you're paranoid hyper_ch
[16:09] <xennex81> then we're all paranoid
[16:09] <xennex81> anyway
[16:09] <xennex81> if he wants that, then he wants that (and So DO I)
[16:09] <xennex81> but
[16:09] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: no, actaully I see on a daily base how law enforcement searches peoples home and just collect everything
[16:09] <xennex81> I have no really functioning kde5
[16:10] <xennex81> law enforcement collected everything from me and everything was encrypted :P
[16:10] <hyper_ch> also I see on daily base where computers and stuff is stolen from homes
[16:10] <xennex81> tough luck buddies
[16:10] <xennex81> truecrypted everything
[16:10] <hyper_ch> xennex81: it would suck if you lived in the UK ;)
[16:10] <xennex81> they almost begged me for the data
[16:10] <xennex81> hehe
[16:11] <xennex81> actually, they literally pleaded me
[16:11] <hyper_ch> they have that anti-terror law where they can compell you to tell the password or you'll go to jail for several years
[16:11] <xennex81> ah nice
[16:11] <xennex81> so you have different levels
[16:11] <xennex81> hidden containers ;-)
[16:11] <hyper_ch> I'm still not convinced that this is in accordance with the ECHR
[16:11] <BluesKaj> you guys have your computer set to autologin.?..seeing the grub menu will confusea thief then the login screen requireing a decent pw is usually enouigh to make them give up
[16:11] <xennex81> plausible deniability :P
[16:12] <xennex81> I set it up so that I could want to give them the password to the main system
[16:12] <xennex81> but they could not guess the password or the existence of the password to the hidden systems or parts
[16:12] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: you think the thieves use that stuff? No, they just sell it to others and those are whom you need to worry about
[16:12] <BluesKaj> blah blah , plausible denyability ...the catchphrase for the day I guess ....means nothing
[16:12] <xennex81> it means a lot
[16:12] <xennex81> anyway
[16:12] <xennex81> you are smart hyper_ch
[16:12] <BluesKaj> anyway I have more productive things to do ...BBL
[16:13] <hyper_ch> xennex81: I'm just security concius
[16:13] <xennex81> but I could only set up my thing the way I did because I had truecrypt on Windows, I cannot achieve the same on LInux
[16:13] <xennex81> on Linux
[16:13] <hyper_ch> and since aes-ni there's no noticeable difference in speed anymore IMHO
[16:13] <xennex81> not for the life of me, it even tells you what partitions it is going to decrypt in the decryption screen
[16:13] <xennex81> leak of information
[16:13] <moparisthebest> BluesKaj: again, depends if you want to hope a theif isn't technical at all, and doesn't know anyone technical, or KNOW your data is safe, and since KNOWING requires no extra work, I'll stick with that thanks
[16:14] <moparisthebest> either way you type in a single password on boot, so who cares? why NOT encrypt is the better question?
[16:14] <xennex81> but plasma5 currently sucks, I have to wait 5 minutes for a cursor to appear
[16:14] <xennex81> he is just a sour grape ;-) :P
[16:14] <xennex81> this is the worst Kubuntu experience ever
[16:15] <xennex81> fresh install, doesn't work
[16:15] <xennex81> complains at boot that something is not supported and then boots anyway
[16:15] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: don't forget SSDs... it's really hard to delete specific data on there
[16:15] <xennex81> yeah I don't use them
[16:15] <moparisthebest> I used to have mixed experiances with new versions too xennex81, until I started sticking with LTS releases, it's been great since then hehe
[16:15] <hyper_ch> so even if you have nothing incriminating/sensitive on your ssd and even if you delete it when you don't need anymore... there's a good chance it's still there
[16:15] <xennex81> except 15.04 LTS release then ;-)
[16:16] <moparisthebest> that isn't lts
[16:16] <xennex81> oh
[16:16] <hyper_ch> xennex81: 15.04 has a couple of aweful bugs
[16:16] <xennex81> 16.04 will be? :P
[16:16] <moparisthebest> yes
[16:16] <xennex81> hmm
[16:16] <moparisthebest> but until then i'm on 14.04
[16:16] <xennex81> I need to go back to 14.10 now or 14.04
[16:16] <xennex81> this is just shabby
[16:16] <xennex81> stupid errors, and then it doesn't even work
[16:16] <hyper_ch> so the only way to protect sensitive information on SSDs is encryption
[16:16] <moparisthebest> BluesKaj: it'd also be different if there were ANY downsides to full disk encryption, but there aren't? :P
[16:17] <hyper_ch> well, it uses more power
[16:17] <hyper_ch> so shortens battery life on a notebook
[16:17] <xennex81> BluesKay is gone for a while I think
[16:17] <xennex81> the downside to FDE is Linux ;-)
[16:17] <moparisthebest> not really, and especially not with modern cpus that implement aes
[16:17] <hyper_ch> and if you forget your password you're out of luck
[16:17] <xennex81> now I am going to have a separate root / home for the first time
[16:17] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: aes still requires more power... it has to compute the stuff...
[16:17] <moparisthebest> if you are a non-technical 'home user' and you forget your login password you are still out of luck
[16:17] <xennex81> I'll shrink my root fs and then shrink the logical volume
[16:18] <rattking> the real downside is the 'fde' isnt really 'fd'.. /boot is the problem
[16:18] <moparisthebest> hyper_ch: it's negligble though
[16:18] <hyper_ch> but still there ;)
[16:18] <Etriaph> I still have had no major show-stoppers since 15.04 was released
[16:18] <Etriaph> Is everyone running laptops?
[16:18] <hyper_ch> yes
[16:18] <Etriaph> Ah.  I'm a desktop user.
[16:18] <moparisthebest> rattking: still much better than nothing, and that's the same problem everywhere
[16:18] <xennex81> this is a desktop, but big show-stopper
[16:18]  * rattking agrees
[16:18] <xennex81> I'll reboot once to see if that fixes it
[16:19] <xennex81> then it is back to 14.10
[16:19] <hyper_ch> I have 16 open bug reports on 15.04
[16:19] <xennex81> only one here, but the spam is incessant
[16:19] <rattking> well there are disks that support encryption without the OS
[16:19] <hyper_ch> I don't trust them
[16:20] <Etriaph> How long have you all been linux users?
[16:20] <rattking> also some raid cards..  but yes its hard to trust 'black box' encryption
[16:20] <hyper_ch> depends what you consider as linux users
[16:20] <hyper_ch> somewhere around 2000 I had ssh access to a debian server
[16:20] <moparisthebest> yea just not *trustable* encryption hehe
[16:20] <hyper_ch> rattking: I prefer software raid also :)
[16:20] <rattking> since 95.. full time since 2000
[16:20]  * rattking nods
[16:21] <moparisthebest> I started using it as my primary os with kubuntu 6.04 I think
[16:21] <xennex81> linux since 1996 perhaps, but not all the time
[16:21] <Etriaph> My first desktop PC, a P90, was RedHat 5.0
[16:21] <hyper_ch> and 2006 I threw out my CP
[16:21] <hyper_ch> XP
[16:21] <xennex81> i have to reboot to resize my root fs
[16:21] <Etriaph> That's a long time ago :D
[16:21] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: 6.06 - dapper drake ;)
[16:21] <xennex81> I had SuSE 6 or something of the kind
[16:21] <Etriaph> I did SuSE for a while after RH
[16:21] <xennex81> later in 1999 / 2000 I was doing some Debian
[16:21] <moparisthebest> yea dapper drake, that was the one, how awful haha
[16:21] <xennex81> but need to reboot, brb
[16:21] <Etriaph> I don't like their modifications to KDE, that's why I'm a Kubuntu user.
[16:22] <moparisthebest> anyone remember that crazy layer that let you try and use windows wifi drivers?
[16:22] <hyper_ch> moparisthebest: the only one where the version isn't in line with the rest
[16:22] <moparisthebest> i'm glad I haven't had to use that in 10 years haha
[16:22] <Etriaph> Also, RPM makes me a little ill.
[16:22] <moparisthebest> well 7 or 8 anyway
[16:23] <hyper_ch> people still like my repo generator :)
[16:45] <xennex81> sorry about earlier, it was not Kubuntu's fault that it didn't work, but nVidia's
[16:45] <xennex81> the bastard card gives preference to hdmi whenever it is plugged in even if the receiving device doesn't give an image
[16:46] <xennex81> so basically I was getting the "second image" on my monitor, for a second desktop
[16:46] <xennex81> *and I didn't know*
[16:46] <xennex81> stupid card does the same in Windows :(
[16:46] <xennex81> I have to manually set preference in nVidia driver thing
[16:47] <xennex81> or disconnect HDMI always
[16:47] <xennex81> which is.... erm. yeah.
[16:47] <xennex81> nvidia driver does this
[16:47] <BluesKaj> which nvidia driver?
[16:47] <xennex81> not sure but it happens *after* a display driver is loaded
[16:48] <xennex81> so, I get a screen while it is in text mode
[16:48] <xennex81> but afterwards it selects the (defunct) HDMI for output
[16:48] <BluesKaj> did you install the recommended driver in driver manager?
[16:49] <xennex81> I haven't done anything yet, I will do so later
[16:49] <xennex81> this is a live session again to do some resizing
[16:49] <xennex81> i was wondering why I didn't get a cursor ;-) but it was on the other screen all the time
[16:50] <BluesKaj> well I think installing the proper driver before tryin g to setup multiple monitors is probly best
[16:50] <xennex81> now disconnecting the HDMI finally have the correct image
[16:50] <xennex81> yeah, it is just used for audio output to a receiver
[16:52] <BluesKaj> you could use spdif out to a receiver dac as well, and use the hdmi for the video
[16:52] <BluesKaj> to the tv
[16:52] <BluesKaj> id=f that's your setup
[16:52] <BluesKaj> if
[16:53] <BluesKaj> I find that setup more flexible
[16:56] <xennex81> i have spdif now operating
[16:56] <xennex81> TV will have to wait
[16:57] <xennex81> 8GB should be enough for root if home is elsewhere, right? on another partition
[16:59] <xennex81> rebooting
[17:18] <SJr> I installed a fresh Kubuntu 15.04, upgraded to Plasma 3. But when I try and use dual monitors on my system, one of the screens doesn't have a desktop on it.
[17:18] <SJr> It is just black
[17:18] <SJr> Also changing monitor configurations involves like 100% cpu usage for 90 seconds.
[17:28] <netrunner_> raditray
[17:42] <pgquiles> yesterday I did something to my Vivid (don't know what) and now plasma shell is not starting: "plasma cannot start: all shell packages missing". I've checked and plasma-desktop, plasma-workspace, kubuntu-desktop, etc are there. I've tried with a new user account but same problem. It seems to be system-wide. Help?
[17:46] <vitfalkbc> hello guys
[17:46] <xennex81> hey
[17:47] <BluesKaj> try install plasma-desktop pgquiles
[17:47] <vitfalkbc> hi kennex8
[17:48] <xennex81> what were the oxygen packages you need to select an oxygen theme? in plasma5
[17:48] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: already installed
[17:48] <BluesKaj> pgquiles, in the the tty/vt ?
[17:49] <pgquiles> in fact running plasmashell -ap org.kde.plasma.desktop gives me a desktop but no taskbar, or anything, and I cannot add them from the cashew (they keep floating on the screen)
[17:49] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: alt+f2 works, I can get a konsole, systemsettings, etc
[17:50] <BluesKaj> pg ctl+alt+f1-f6 or if you get a terminal on the desktop
[17:50] <BluesKaj> pgquiles,^
[17:51] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: ?
[17:51] <xennex81> oh my god, so beautiful
[17:51] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: I already have terminals
[17:51] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: what I need is a desktop, a full one, with taskbar, start menu, etc
[17:52] <xennex81> breeze background under oxygen taskbar/panel
[18:01] <BluesKaj> pgquiles, what I meant was , try reinstalling plasma-desktop , or remove it and install it
[18:02] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: already tried that :-( In fact, also tried to install different (newer) versions: kubuntu-ppa/backports and kubuntu-ci/unstable-weekly. Nothing seems to work.
[18:02] <pgquiles> this "all shell packages missing. This is an installation issue, please contact your distribution" is driving me crazy :-(
[18:07] <BluesKaj> pgquiles, did you try the launchpad kubuntu-backports ppa for plasma 5.3?
[18:08] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: yup
[18:08] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: and it used to work fine, until yesterday
[18:08] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: I have also tried downgrading to 5.2.2, same problem
[18:09] <pgquiles> and removing .kde and .cache, same problem
[18:09] <BluesKaj> could be a plasma4/kde 4 problem then
[18:10] <pgquiles> may be
[18:10] <BluesKaj> a lot of apps like dolphin still use plsam 4
[18:10] <pgquiles> I do have a lot of kde4 packages installed but it seems I cannot get rid of them
[18:10] <BluesKaj> err plasma4 is still needed
[18:10] <Blubberbop> How can I re-enable CTRL-DELETE to delete the word in front of the cursor like all releases for the past 10 years used to do?
[18:11] <BluesKaj> Blubberbop, try the backspace
[18:17] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: backspace?
[18:18] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: CTRL-Backspace deletes the entire word in front of the cursor, CTRL-DELETE would delete the entire word in front of the cursor... This has been like that for like the past decade, and right now that no longer works.. Since I do development and a LOT of writing, these small shortcuts help a lot, and having them gone is an anoyance, so I would liike to reenable them.. But how?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> as an alterntive to delete text, if the ctl-dlete doesn't work, hightligt the word and backspace,..there are a lot of shortcuts not working during the transition to plasma 5 ... guess we just have to use alternatives and live with it for now
[18:25] <BluesKaj> and phoenixz it would be nice if you stuck with one nick , since seem to have a need to lecture :-)
[18:26] <BluesKaj> anyway , it's time to do some yardwork ...BBL
[18:26] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: What is your problem exactly?
[18:27] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: Sorry if it bothers you that users have the expectation that things actually work, even when it concerns open source software
[18:28] <phoenixz> BluesKaj: Which is also the reason why my nick changes a lot, quassel is kind of trigger happy in changing that, but then again, according you what you said, I guess you have to live with that for now..
[18:45] <MichaelP> is there a chromium-browser 43 for ubuntu kubuntu ?
[18:54] <OerHeks> MichaelP, no, still on 42.0.2311.90 here, that is universal for ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu
[18:55] <MichaelP> OerHeks: it gets glitchy in plasma 5
[19:15] <hyper_ch> so, fixed my servers....
[19:16] <contentsafe_> hellloPingpong:client().
[19:17] <contentsafe_> i'm sorry, that was the wrong window :/
[19:20] <Happy_the_Exceed> OMG, I'm loving the alt+tab behavior effects.
[19:42] <siente> Hello guys, which is the best way to create a bootable usb flash drive?
[19:45] <hyper_ch> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[20:38] <Ninjahmahs> hi
[20:54] <phoenixz> keithzg: Hey, just to let you know, I'
[20:55] <phoenixz> keithzg: I'm KsChoice, from yesterday with the heavy problems on Kubunt 15.04
[20:55] <phoenixz> keithzg: I switched to nouveau driver, and when I booted this morning, I had initramfs, system was completely dead and dmesg gave me loads of nouveau errors, so that did not work out
[20:56] <keithzg> phoenixz: Well drat.
[20:57] <phoenixz> keithzg: Next I did was boot USB kubuntu installer, chrooted to my system, and changed driver to Nvidia 346 updates (instead of the recommended, and crappy working 346.59) and after rebooting 3 times now, I get the sddm login screen right away, no black screen so far (whcih is a small miracle already), no hangs in amarok, no hangs in krunner or kdialog, and though I haven't tried suspend, I have high hopes at this point
[20:57] <phoenixz> So I'
[20:57] <phoenixz> Damned new keyboard, I keep tapping enter
[20:57] <keithzg> heh
[20:57] <phoenixz> So I'd say that the new updated driver is working QUITE well,,,
[20:58] <keithzg> Well that's good, sounds like the rest of the stack was just a bit too new for the non-updates NVIDIA driver.
[20:58] <phoenixz> I've disabled auto updates so I should see whenever updates come in
[20:58] <phoenixz> Yeah, could be.. At least in combination with this laptop, I imagine it is all a bit too new for the driver
[20:59] <phoenixz> keithzg: In any case, loads of thanks for the help so far yesterday
[20:59] <phoenixz> I basically got to the point where I could not care less anymore about trying other stuff
[20:59] <keithzg> phoenixz: No problem, always glad to help, and very glad to hear things are working out in the end :)
[20:59] <phoenixz> Well, I'm still a bit "affraid" to say so, but so far, I have hope again lol
[21:00] <Happy_the_Exceed> 1 thing I am disliking about KDE desktop is that I can not select 1 folder, and have desktop wallpaper wizard/dialog/desktop settings to load all pictures in that Directory.
[21:01] <Happy_the_Exceed> Or at least a quick shortcut to right click on a picture and set that as desktop wallpaper.
[21:03] <keithzg> Happy_the_Exceed: I wouldn't be surprised if that was possible to hook up, but you can certainly do both things easily the other way around, ex. just right-click on the *desktop* and then tell it "load all pictures in such-and-such directory/directories as a slideshow for wallpapers"
[21:04] <keithzg> Or if you have it as a single image, you can hit "Open" in the wallpaper selector and then click-drag the existing file you're eying in your file manager into the field there.
[21:04] <Happy_the_Exceed> keithzg, previewing a lot of pictures is just annoying. Since it's 1 by 1.
[21:04] <keithzg> Happy_the_Exceed: Huh? Not sure I follow you there.
[21:10] <Happy_the_Exceed> keithzg, basically, I have to add 1 picture at a time to that GUI on the left. Before I can preview each picture in there. http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-9j31LBIZ.png
[21:11] <keithzg> Or you could use a fullscreen viewer like Gwenview to go through them, no? Or if they're all in the same folder you could point the Slideshow background option at that folder and then just page through them to try them out that way?
[21:18] <keithzg> Happy_the_Exceed: You could also create a service for dolphin (or just a script associated with image files) to run something like https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=109437&p=256319 to change the wallpaper to a specific image supplied.
[21:18] <Happy_the_Exceed> keithzg, too many clicks though to get to the point of previewing. Compared to, selecting a folder, or selecting multiple pictures in the  common "Open file and browse" dialog window.  - http://segfault.linuxmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Screenshot-from-2014-09-23-210958.png  I'm used to this.
[21:18] <keithzg> Can't say I've played around with the plasma configuration tool much, though, I mostly just stick with the Weather wallpaper (which I really hope is coming back for Plasma 5)
[21:19] <keithzg> Happy_the_Exceed: Err, isn't that exactly what selecting an entire folder would be like then with the slideshow view?
[21:19] <Happy_the_Exceed> Thanks for the suggestions though. I do not feel like getting my handswet for this.
[21:22] <Happy_the_Exceed> keithzg, nope. Cinnamon let's you select a folder.  The folder you specified will be used as a base directory from where you can select your pictures from . If any is in there.  ---  Each folder would represent a "group of pictures".  In that screenshot, there are pre-installed groups of pictures.
[21:23] <Happy_the_Exceed> 1 group of wallpapers from linux mint Version Qiana. Another from version Petra.   Then you can customize, and add your own "groups of wallpapers"
[21:23] <Happy_the_Exceed> Recently in Cinnamon, there is the new Slideshow feature. Where you can optionally use a group of pictures as a slideshow.
[21:24] <keithzg> Ah, yeah, KDE has had the slideshow option since KDE 4 was first released, at least.
[21:25] <keithzg> But I see what you mean about groups. Yeah, not the way it's done in the default solo wallpaper setup.
[21:27] <Happy_the_Exceed> Though I am  looking for a way to group my wallpaper.   Group from author of http://davidlanham.com/    1 from  Animes,   Christmas,  Halloween, etc.
[21:27] <Happy_the_Exceed> I just like the way makes more than 1 pictures selectable so I do not have to use a different software to preview.
[21:28] <Happy_the_Exceed> Thanks for your time.
[21:33] <Happy_the_Exceed> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342685  Wow, I'm having this problem, and it's going to be a deal breaker.
[21:40] <keithzg> Happy_the_Exceed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345174#c55
[21:42] <Happy_the_Exceed> keithzg, I'll see what I can do about that. I hope it doesn't involve compiling. I've already ran the updater as soon as I got the latest stable kubuntu installed. >.<
[21:43] <keithzg> Happy_the_Exceed: Well, the fix is in KDE Applications 15.04.1, so as soon as that's packaged for Kubuntu (and perhaps it's already in the Backports PPA?) you can just install it that way.
[21:44]  * keithzg is at work, and runs LTS exclusively at work, so isn't sure of the current status
[21:54] <rattking> I cam in earlier talking about "kscreen_backend[5390]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f7bcaf0dc40 sp 00007ffd605f4d28 error 4 in KSC_XRandR.so[7f7bcaef8000+22000]" and wanted to mention that deleting ~/.local/share/kscreen got plasma5 working agian..
[22:09] <jalcine> 8
[22:25] <Telvana> I'm having a few issues with Kubuntu 15.04 ... 1.) When a system sound is going to play, it lags the error box. I turned off the system sounds and now the error box works correctly. 2.) I'm having issues with screen tearing in Youtube using Nvidia 349 drivers
[22:33] <soee> Telvana: sadly the tearing problem is not something that can be fix totally
[22:33] <soee> do you have Full screen repaint set in Compositor settings ?
[22:34] <Telvana> If it is used as default, yes, I'll check though
[22:36] <Telvana> It's set to auto, is that the setting I should try?
[22:37] <Telvana> Meaning, change it to "full screen repaint"
[22:38] <Telvana> Actually, it seems like setting "disable compositor on full screen" seems to have fixed the issue
[22:40] <soee> :)
[22:41] <Telvana> I searched for hours about that issue ... I never put "compositor" plus "screen tearing" together, even looked at that option, just never though about it.
[22:41] <Telvana> Thanks, I'll let you know if it does it again. :)
[23:24] <Telvana> Hey, what's the easiest way to switch between two sound cards on the fly? (in 15.04)
[23:30] <petzku> yea and how maybe effectively set a new default audio playback and recording device?
[23:31] <soee> Telvana: im not usre, but i think you can do it in System Setings -> Multimedia
[23:34] <Telvana> Sadly, I looked there. It only gives me a "default" and I can't change the default
[23:35] <petzku> Telvana, same problem here. I have a usb headset connected and I have to manually select apps to use it to hear any sound
[23:36] <petzku> despite having selected the device as preferred in the multimediasettings
[23:36] <Telvana> So far this is the only thing that's really frustrating me about KDE
[23:39] <petzku> yea to me too kde has been the most working environment :)