| * FJKong fell asleep last night.. | 02:50 | |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:30 |
|---|---|---|
| didrocks | good morning | 06:03 |
| larsu | morning! | 06:10 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 06:12 |
| * pitti waves to the desktoppers, guten Morgen! | 06:34 | |
| didrocks | good morning pitti | 06:34 |
| seb128 | hey pitti! | 06:37 |
| willcooke | morningla | 07:53 |
| willcooke | er | 07:53 |
| willcooke | morning all | 07:53 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 07:55 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 07:56 |
| Laney | hup hup hup | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hup Laney too | 08:03 |
| Laney | hey didrocks | 08:06 |
| Laney | vat iz up | 08:06 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hoe gaat het? | 08:08 |
| Laney | alles goed! | 08:09 |
| Laney | en met jou? | 08:09 |
| seb128 | goed, danku :-) | 08:09 |
| Laney | dutch high five! | 08:10 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:10 |
| * Laney screams at all iso builds failing | 08:13 | |
| Laney | looks like debootstrap is busticated | 08:13 |
| Laney | woah | 08:21 |
| Laney | "Could not apply the stored configuration for monitors" | 08:21 |
| Laney | and it's in like 640x480 | 08:21 |
| Laney | okay, 1024x768, but that's just as bad :P | 08:22 |
| Laney | "Unknown display" | 08:22 |
| seb128 | Laney, when/how? | 08:25 |
| Laney | just now when I booted | 08:26 |
| Laney | could have been not quite plugged in correctly, works now after jiggling the cable | 08:26 |
| Laney | or re-detecting would have worked anyway | 08:26 |
| Laney | see if it happens again | 08:26 |
| seb128 | k, still weird :-/ if it can't apply the config it should default to whatever xorg is doing which should be the native resolution | 08:26 |
| Laney | it had a big error about not being able to query the EDID | 08:27 |
| Laney | so probably defaulted to some emergency/safe resolution | 08:27 |
| Laney | ah, pitti is fixing debootstrap already | 08:40 |
| Laney | that is the best news! | 08:40 |
| pitti | Laney: yeah, fixed now | 08:40 |
| pitti | Laney: yesterday evening's first attempt didn't work, so this morning I added some debugging to debootstrap (most importantly hte ability to use a local .deb), and fixed it for good | 08:41 |
| Laney | I got 36 or so emails about isos failing to build :-) | 08:41 |
| pitti | got accepted into wily some 20 mins ago (argh slow adt-nova argh), should hit archive.u.c. any minute now | 08:41 |
| * Laney retries ubuntu as a test | 08:41 | |
| seb128 | pitti, are you looking at the shotwell autopkgtest issue? just asking to not dup work | 08:44 |
| Laney | oh weird, I was going to merge that one soon, was on my list | 08:46 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm not; I just had a quick look, and it's due to uninstallability (so not infrastructure) | 08:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, k | 08:51 |
| seb128 | Laney, that one = ? | 08:51 |
| Laney | shotwell | 08:51 |
| seb128 | please do | 08:52 |
| seb128 | I just mentioned it because I got emailed by jenkins | 08:52 |
| Laney | seems someone already did? | 08:52 |
| Laney | or was it 0ubuntu1? | 08:52 |
| Laney | ah yes | 08:52 |
| Laney | uninstallability> doesn't look like it - seems like an autopilot failure to me | 08:53 |
| seb128 | shrug | 08:53 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell updated it | 08:53 |
| Laney | let the uploader deal with it ;-) | 08:54 |
| seb128 | yeah, I was unsure if those evdev warning were normal | 08:54 |
| Laney | seems you only get stdout if it fails, so can't confirm from a successful run | 08:55 |
| seb128 | I'm going to beat robert_ancell with a stack for that update | 08:56 |
| seb128 | well, after I try it :p | 08:56 |
| seb128 | I emailed upstream with https://mail.gnome.org/archives/shotwell-list/2015-February/msg00000.html | 09:01 |
| seb128 | unsure if robert_ancell did something about it | 09:02 |
| Laney | oh, it got a headerbar? | 09:03 |
| Laney | quite glad that he got to it first then :) | 09:03 |
| seb128 | hehe | 09:04 |
| pitti | Laney: ah, it is now; the previous run (#16) was uninstallability (http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/wily-adt-shotwell/16/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console) | 09:07 |
| pitti | but that's fixed now indeed | 09:07 |
| Laney | nod, sorry, didn't look back at all | 09:07 |
| pitti | Laney: so I suppose the UI changed, and the autopilot test needs adjusting | 09:07 |
| seb128 | don't fix it | 09:08 |
| seb128 | the update is buggy | 09:08 |
| seb128 | emailing rob | 09:08 |
| Laney | tag a bug "block-proposed" + assign | 09:09 |
| Laney | it looks okay to me though | 09:09 |
| Laney | where do you see a problem? | 09:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, open the preferences dialog | 09:10 |
| seb128 | or the export one | 09:10 |
| seb128 | or the publish one | 09:10 |
| seb128 | e.g any dialog | 09:10 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/shotwell-list/2015-February/msg00002.html has details | 09:10 |
| Laney | oh just the dialogs, I see! | 09:10 |
| seb128 | yeah | 09:12 |
| seb128 | "just" | 09:12 |
| seb128 | :-) | 09:12 |
| Laney | much better than it being the main UI | 09:13 |
| Laney | there's a property that you can watch for dialogs | 09:13 |
| seb128 | I should have Cced you on that email to robert_ancell | 09:17 |
| seb128 | want me to resend with you in Cc? | 09:17 |
| Laney | seb128: you can just give a link to https://git.gnome.org/browse/file-roller/commit/?id=0f2dab08dc8c577a89a32aeaa1f2467dcaf8c949 which is one I did a while ago | 09:22 |
| Laney | okay, shotwell is vala, but the idea is the same | 09:22 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 09:22 |
| Laney | other file-roller commits have more complex cases but it doesn't look like shotwell has those | 09:22 |
| Laney | e.g. custom items in the header, .ui files, etc | 09:22 |
| seb128 | Laney, done | 09:23 |
| Laney | thx | 09:23 |
| seb128 | thank *you* ;-) | 09:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shotwell/+bug/1456965 as well | 09:27 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1456965 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "Shouldn't use CSD under Unity" [Undecided,New] | 09:27 |
| Laney | great | 09:33 |
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| willcooke | upgraded my desktop-next machine and now all I have is a flashing caps-lock light | 10:38 |
| willcooke | :( | 10:38 |
| czajkowski | willcooke: oops | 10:38 |
| willcooke | One strange thing I noticed was that after the upgrade "reboot" and "shutdown" commands were seemingly missing | 10:39 |
| seb128 | willcooke, kernel issue? did you try booting a previous one? | 11:50 |
| seb128 | well at least the led is usually a kernel issue | 11:50 |
| willcooke | seb128, tbh I've screwed around with it so much I dont think there was a valid set up on there. | 11:51 |
| willcooke | I've resintalled and it's fine now | 11:51 |
| willcooke | Once I've got this demo sorted for the sales engineers I will see if I can break it again | 11:51 |
| seb128 | or maybe your init got screwed, reboot should be there with systemd-sysv but I don't think that has to be there for the system to work | 11:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti, ^ right? | 11:52 |
| seb128 | willcooke, k | 11:52 |
| didrocks | leds flashing generally means a kernel issue, indeed | 11:55 |
| pitti | seb128, willcooke: maybe your $PATH didn't include /sbin/ | 11:55 |
| pitti | ? | 11:55 |
| pitti | seb128, willcooke: reboot and friends are in upstart-sysv or systemd-sysv, and you should have either installed | 11:56 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti, seems like willcooke reinstalled so I guess we are not going to debug that... | 11:57 |
| pitti | yeah | 11:57 |
| pitti | although I just noticed that init depends on systemd-sysv | upstart | 11:58 |
| pitti | that needs to be | upstart-sysv | 11:58 |
| pitti | (fix uploaded) | 11:58 |
| pitti | but that only seems tangential | 11:58 |
| willcooke | don't sweat it, that machine has had so many strange hacks applied it's not a valid install | 11:58 |
| seb128 | pitti, I guess that .cache/upstart logs being mostly empty/non existant is a feature and session logs are supposed to be in the journal nowadays? (even things started from gnome-session) | 12:02 |
| pitti | seb128: no, not at all -- session bits haven't changed at all | 12:05 |
| pitti | I have tons of logs in ~/.cache/upstart | 12:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, I've only 6 non .gz logs in there and most of the things are missing | 12:06 |
| seb128 | journalctl seems to have a mix of session things as well | 12:07 |
| larsu | I thought everything started from gnome-session logs into the journal these days?! | 12:18 |
| seb128 | seems so | 12:21 |
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| didrocks | popey: my eyes! | 12:22 |
| larsu | think of his eyes! | 12:22 |
| seb128 | larsu, hey, that's a bit confusing still, need to get used to it I guess | 12:22 |
| seb128 | the journalctl log is just not well formatted and not easy to read | 12:23 |
| larsu | seb128: yeah... it's definitely worse right now than what we had, since some things are in the journal and some aren't | 12:23 |
| larsu | seb128: use gnome-logs ;) (and read the journalctl man page, it's got some good stuff) | 12:23 |
| seb128 | larsu, is gnome-logs packaged? | 12:24 |
| seb128 | seems it is | 12:24 |
| larsu | seb128: yes, but I don't know which version tbh (you need the one with my patches *cough*) | 12:24 |
| seb128 | I should perhaps try it (or we should perhaps ship it by default if it's good?) | 12:24 |
| seb128 | 3.14.2 it seems | 12:24 |
| larsu | yes, it is and we should | 12:24 |
| larsu | I've been planning some more stuff for it, but didn't have time yet | 12:24 |
| larsu | I can add menubar etc. upstream if we decide to ship it | 12:25 |
| seb128 | cool | 12:26 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: you're upower upstreeam, aren't you? | 12:41 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: think you could review my patch when you get a chance? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90222 | 12:41 |
| ubot5 | Freedesktop bug 90222 in general "Upower no longer handles bluetooth mice properly" [Normal,New] | 12:41 |
| popey | didrocks: :D | 12:43 |
| pitti | mdeslaur: oh, with a test case! ♥ | 12:44 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: of course! :) | 12:46 |
| seb128 | some other potential patches on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+patches ;-) | 12:46 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: hey, mine first :) | 12:47 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, I didn't know about +patches, nice! | 12:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/206524480/0001-rules-support-Logitech-Unifying-in-Linux-3.19.patch seems like something useful | 12:47 |
| seb128 | that's bug #1448834 | 12:47 |
| ubot5 | bug 1448834 in upower (Ubuntu) "mouse battery not shown after upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1448834 | 12:47 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: I think that's upstream already | 12:48 |
| * mdeslaur remembers seeing something similar | 12:48 | |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, right, that bug is a request to backport to vivid | 12:48 |
| pitti | mdeslaur: how is your test different from _add_bt_mouse()? | 12:48 |
| * pitti compares the code in more detail | 12:48 | |
| mdeslaur | pitti: device is "hid" and there is an extra "input" subdirectory | 12:48 |
| mdeslaur | ("hid" instead of "bluetooth") | 12:50 |
| pitti | mdeslaur: applied | 13:08 |
| pitti | seb128: cleaned up | 13:08 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: sweet! thanks! :) | 13:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 13:12 |
| willcooke | qengho, pingaling | 13:14 |
| willcooke | hrm, contextless pings. Must stop doing that | 13:15 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 13:25 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, what's the status of approved u-s-s fixes and landing? | 13:25 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it's a bit ridiculous that trivial/obvious one liner fixes like https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/battery-correct-init-height/+merge/256115 don't land | 13:26 |
| kenvandine | seb128, hey, i'm trying to land a few at a time | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | but it's slow going | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | i can't land to wily first | 13:28 |
| seb128 | why not? | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | because of the adt failures from autopilot/uitk | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | it gets held in proposed | 13:29 |
| seb128 | can't we just flush think to wily? | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | they are working on that | 13:29 |
| seb128 | are those real failures? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | or buggy tools? | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | tools | 13:29 |
| seb128 | can't we just override the results? | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | autopilot stuff that needs upstart | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | they have a fix, just last i heard it wasn't landed yet | 13:30 |
| kenvandine | seb128, do you know where the setting to enable ntp gets stored on disk? | 13:33 |
| kenvandine | we need to add the path to the whitelist so it persists on the read-only image | 13:33 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hum, let me check | 13:36 |
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| seb128 | kenvandine, what settings are you talking about? how do you enable/disable ntp? using the set-ntp timedated flag? | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | that | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | org.freedesktop.timedate1 | 13:52 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it enable/disable the job, at least under systemd | 13:54 |
| kenvandine | yeah, i just need to know how that gets stored | 13:54 |
| kenvandine | it's only persisting over reboots if the device is writable | 13:54 |
| kenvandine | not on read-only | 13:54 |
| kenvandine | so we're missing a path in the writable whitelist | 13:54 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, seems to rename /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate to /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate.disabled | 13:55 |
| kenvandine | oh... | 13:55 |
| kenvandine | thanks! | 13:56 |
| seb128 | yw! | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | seb128, about the landings, they'll speed up once the autopilot issue gets resolved | 13:57 |
| kenvandine | which should be soon... | 13:57 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, can't we just override the test to get it to migrate? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | or keep it in proposed and do other landings | 13:58 |
| kenvandine | there are lots of things we could do :) | 13:58 |
| seb128 | that "charge graph has a wrong initial value" bug is stupid, that fix shouldn't take that long to land | 13:58 |
| kenvandine | but the fix should have been quicker than this | 13:58 |
| seb128 | it should land in vivid as well imho | 13:58 |
| seb128 | graphs look wrong atm | 13:58 |
| tjaalton | evolution-source-registry takes 370MB RAM on my desktop.. can I disable it somehow? | 13:58 |
| kenvandine | yeah, agreed | 13:58 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, rm? mv? apt-get remove? | 13:58 |
| kenvandine | it has to be on the ota4 milestone or qa isn't going to look at it | 13:58 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, let me ping Pat | 13:59 |
| tjaalton | good idea | 13:59 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, does it take as much if you restart it? | 13:59 |
| kenvandine | seb128, and i'm quite busy on content-hub right now, so not much time to spin wheels on settings landings... i'd love some help getting landings in wily :) | 13:59 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I would be happy to handle landing if you refresh my memory on what to do | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | seb128, this systemd-shim and persistance is on the ota4 milestone, so gotta get that done too | 14:00 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I know how to drive the system, I'm just not uptodate on "politics" | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | easier for wily :) | 14:00 |
| seb128 | no qa needed there? | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | and i bet you could get away with more than 3 fixes per silo for wily :) | 14:00 |
| seb128 | can we just flush the pending queue to wily? | 14:01 |
| kenvandine | afaik we aren't gating on qa for wily right now | 14:01 |
| seb128 | great | 14:01 |
| tjaalton | seb128: the parent seems to be upstart --user, but initctl doesn't show it | 14:01 |
| kenvandine | which worries me... because then if they block a backport to vivid later we have to rework stuff | 14:01 |
| kenvandine | but... they don't have the resources to verify every fix for wily and vivid | 14:01 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, confirmed the file rename on my bq rtm rw btw | 14:02 |
| kenvandine | yeah, i did too | 14:02 |
| kenvandine | thanks for that!~ | 14:02 |
| seb128 | yw! | 14:02 |
| kenvandine | now to figure out who to go to about fixing that in lxc-android-config now | 14:02 |
| Laney | ... | 14:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, good luck, I think rename don't play along with the bind mount hack | 14:03 |
| Laney | renames are bad | 14:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you might need something along http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-systemd/systemd.git/commit/?h=ubuntu&id=10f312d34a39cb2c5738d48705498fdfec38e9f0 | 14:04 |
| seb128 | in systemd-shim | 14:04 |
| seb128 | e.g make it rename /etc/writable/... rather than the normal file | 14:05 |
| seb128 | I just did a hack like that for whoopsie yesterday | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | seb128, so you know how to fix something like this? | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | maybe you could do it :) | 14:08 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, lol, nice try | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | i have the partial systemd-shim fix in silo 35 | 14:08 |
| seb128 | well, I'm unsure that's needed there | 14:08 |
| seb128 | and I can't see I'm a fan of the change I submitted for whoopsie | 14:09 |
| seb128 | waiting for somebody to review that one first before considering copying that somewhere else | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | rsalveti, i assume you're not the guy to go to for lxc-android-config anymore? | 14:09 |
| Laney | it feels disturbing to be sprinkling this around everywhere | 14:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, well, less disturbing that having our phone buggy for users | 14:10 |
| Laney | ... | 14:10 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you see any other option? | 14:10 |
| seb128 | +doable | 14:10 |
| Laney | don't know, could try to think | 14:11 |
| Laney | not interested in a trolling argument | 14:11 |
| seb128 | well, me neither | 14:11 |
| Laney | I'm not saying that not fixing it is better | 14:11 |
| seb128 | I'm just saying that we didn't figure out a better way to do this | 14:11 |
| Laney | but also doing weird hacks is not good | 14:11 |
| seb128 | I don't like it either | 14:11 |
| seb128 | right, I think we agree | 14:11 |
| seb128 | I just don't have anything better to propose | 14:11 |
| seb128 | it's the less sucky option we have atm afaik | 14:12 |
| kenvandine | rsalveti, got a minute to look at a fix we'll need related to writable paths and lxc-android-config to let us know if it would work? | 14:17 |
| kenvandine | enabling/disabling ntp renames between /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate and /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate.disabled | 14:18 |
| kenvandine | rsalveti, is that something we can handle? | 14:18 |
| rsalveti | kenvandine: got a minute now :-) | 15:35 |
| rsalveti | guess this is the conversation that is happening at phablet now | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:38 |
| * Laney screams at jffi | 15:45 | |
| * larsu calms down Laney with a cookie and some tea (with milk) | 15:46 | |
| Laney | I have jelly and tea atm | 15:46 |
| * Laney transmits a picture | 15:46 | |
| larsu | ooh nice | 15:46 |
| larsu | please do transmit | 15:46 |
| * larsu wonders why totem resets active-plugins gsettings key when starting | 15:47 | |
| Laney | I wonder what sin I committed in a previous life to be having to try and compehend java build systems | 15:48 |
| larsu | :( | 15:48 |
| larsu | wow. totem writes that key thrice on startup | 15:51 |
| Laney | hadessssssssssssssssssssssss | 15:51 |
| * larsu shaves yet another yak | 15:51 | |
| larsu | seems to be libpeas' fault though | 15:51 |
| Laney | you have to fix this for that bug? | 15:51 |
| larsu | nope, I don't have to | 15:52 |
| larsu | I guess you're telling me to get my priorities straight? >P | 15:52 |
| Laney | ah, one of those | 15:52 |
| Laney | :P | 15:52 |
| Laney | up to you | 15:52 |
| larsu | I mostly need it to work to test turning on/off plugins | 15:52 |
| larsu | because they insert menu items | 15:53 |
| larsu | and apparently some are not turn-aoofable | 15:53 |
| larsu | *turn-offable | 15:53 |
| seb128 | Laney, kenvandine, pitti, any comment/opinion on http://paste.ubuntu.com/11246865/ to filter out locales which correspond to a separate language? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | Laney, kenvandine, pitti, basically list xx_YY.UTF-8 locales if xx=YY (to have e.g de_DE work, that's a "de" directory on disk) or if "xx_YY" exists in /usr/share/locale-langpacks | 15:56 |
| Laney | I think assuming that the country and the language are the same is a bad heuristic | 15:58 |
| Laney | fails for zh_CN for example | 15:58 |
| seb128 | zh_CN has a dir with that name | 15:58 |
| Laney | It's just an example | 15:59 |
| seb128 | it's to catch fr_FR having no fr_FR but only "fr" on disk | 15:59 |
| seb128 | same for de_DE being de | 15:59 |
| Laney | I think that libicu has a facility for this if you are trying to keep the 'main' language | 15:59 |
| seb128 | no, I don't want to keep the main language | 15:59 |
| seb128 | because en_AU would give me "en" which is a dir on disk | 16:00 |
| seb128 | but we don't want en_AU listed | 16:00 |
| Laney | what is this comparison doing in addition to looking at the directory? | 16:00 |
| seb128 | making de_DE listed | 16:00 |
| seb128 | because /usr/share/locale-langpack/de_DE doesn't exists | 16:00 |
| seb128 | only /usr/share/locale-langpack/de | 16:01 |
| seb128 | we would have no german listed at all without that bit | 16:01 |
| seb128 | I assume that "xx_XX" is shortened to dir "xx" | 16:01 |
| seb128 | but I might be wrong | 16:01 |
| Laney | the code already builds a list | 16:01 |
| Laney | so you can say 'give me the likely locale for "de"' | 16:01 |
| seb128 | list of? | 16:01 |
| Laney | I think | 16:02 |
| Laney | or at least you could make it do that | 16:02 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:02 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure to understand what you mean "likely locale" | 16:02 |
| Laney | I remember attente adding some knowledge of this concept | 16:02 |
| Laney | he called it likely, it's what you're trying to do here I think | 16:02 |
| seb128 | // Should be true if locale is the default for its language. | 16:02 |
| seb128 | // e.g. 'en_US' is the likely locale for 'en', 'en_CA' is not. | 16:02 |
| seb128 | bool likely; | 16:02 |
| seb128 | no | 16:02 |
| seb128 | en_US has its own dir | 16:03 |
| seb128 | I don't want that shortened | 16:03 |
| Laney | no | 16:03 |
| Laney | you could only do this lookup if you need to | 16:03 |
| seb128 | that is reverse compared to what I want no? | 16:03 |
| Laney | so you have 'de', that's not a locale, so find out what the likely locale for 'de' is | 16:04 |
| seb128 | well, I don't have "de" | 16:04 |
| seb128 | I've the output of locale -a | 16:04 |
| seb128 | de_CH.utf8 | 16:04 |
| seb128 | de_DE.utf8 | 16:04 |
| seb128 | de_LI.utf8 | 16:04 |
| seb128 | etc | 16:04 |
| seb128 | and I want to filter out the ones with no translation installed in /usr/share/locale-langpacks | 16:04 |
| seb128 | so my current way is to split .utf-8 and check if the remaining bit exists in the dir | 16:05 |
| desrt | pitti: hey... question... | 16:05 |
| seb128 | that works for e.g en_US | 16:05 |
| seb128 | or en_GB | 16:05 |
| Laney | so you want to list that directory, make sure they are all locales by doing this 'likely' lookup | 16:05 |
| desrt | pitti: is there some API i can use for apport to report an issue? | 16:05 |
| Laney | and then intersect this with the locale -a output | 16:05 |
| desrt | ie: i have a library that detects a critical problem, but can proceed anyway... and i don't want to bother the user | 16:06 |
| desrt | and i want apport to file a bug against the correct program, etc. | 16:06 |
| Laney | or do this step by step, whatever | 16:06 |
| larsu | desrt: yes, but please don't | 16:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, sorry I don't understand :-( | 16:06 |
| larsu | desrt: instead, let's route all criticals to apport | 16:06 |
| desrt | larsu: that's sort of what i'm getting at... | 16:06 |
| larsu | desrt: ah, I thought you wanted to do that for the specific case we were discussing | 16:07 |
| desrt | well, that too | 16:07 |
| desrt | :) | 16:07 |
| seb128 | Laney, what you described, the dir has "en", the locale list not, that wouldn't intersect ... or you would suggest to transform "en" to the likely locale, e.g "en_US"? | 16:07 |
| larsu | desrt: well, don't. :) | 16:07 |
| desrt | (for those who were not watching our private conversation: we're talking about the dconf-writes-on-startup problem) | 16:07 |
| attente | u-s-s should already be converting en to en_US iirc | 16:07 |
| larsu | man, I wanted to keep the mystery alive | 16:08 |
| desrt | larsu: sorry. not friday yet :) | 16:08 |
| attente | at least for the purpose of listing it as the first 'en' locale | 16:08 |
| seb128 | attente, right, what I'm trying to do is reverse | 16:08 |
| seb128 | from the locales list, filter out those which don't have translations in /usr/share/locale-langpacks | 16:08 |
| Laney | seb128: Indeed | 16:09 |
| attente | seb128: oh, so if only 'en' is installed, then 'en_US' should still work even if it doesn't exist? | 16:09 |
| seb128 | no | 16:09 |
| seb128 | en_US has its own dir | 16:09 |
| seb128 | but e.g de_DE doesn't | 16:09 |
| Laney | use de instead of en | 16:09 |
| Laney | :P | 16:10 |
| seb128 | I though that maybe xx_XX cases would short to "xx" | 16:10 |
| seb128 | so I check for that | 16:10 |
| attente | oh. that doesn't work? | 16:10 |
| seb128 | Laney is challenging it being the right thing to do | 16:10 |
| seb128 | it does | 16:10 |
| attente | lol | 16:10 |
| larsu | desrt: ARGH this is even wrong in the docs: https://developer.gnome.org/libpeas/1.14/PeasEngine.html#PeasEngine--loaded-plugins | 16:10 |
| seb128 | it's just that Laney think the likey thing is better | 16:10 |
| seb128 | so I'm trying to wrap my head around that | 16:10 |
| attente | the likely thing is only going from 'en' -> 'en_US' though | 16:11 |
| seb128 | it seems more complex to me so far, but maybe I'm going to be able to grasp it ;-) | 16:11 |
| attente | not in the other direction | 16:11 |
| seb128 | yeah | 16:11 |
| Laney | you have en_US in the list of locales | 16:11 |
| attente | i'm not sure how to do the other direction other than just trim the suffix | 16:11 |
| seb128 | I think Laney wants me to throw the dirnames to the likely() converter | 16:11 |
| Laney | yes | 16:11 |
| seb128 | and use that list | 16:11 |
| seb128 | that seems more work though | 16:11 |
| seb128 | I'm trying to think if I agree it's a better way ;-) | 16:11 |
| Laney | doesn't the code have this list anyway? | 16:11 |
| Laney | or almost have it | 16:12 |
| seb128 | not yet at the place I want to exclude locales | 16:12 |
| Laney | is there going to be a separate place for format locales? | 16:13 |
| seb128 | not in the current design | 16:14 |
| seb128 | but who knows in the futur | 16:14 |
| Laney | what about things which aren't translated via langpacks? | 16:15 |
| Laney | I suppose we don't include all locales currently | 16:16 |
| seb128 | huum | 16:16 |
| seb128 | no, the goal is to list things that have translations on the device | 16:16 |
| seb128 | no point picking a language which is not installed | 16:16 |
| Laney | they're not all installed centrally though | 16:17 |
| seb128 | if a language has no string in the langpack I guess we can claim it's not translated enough to be supported | 16:17 |
| Laney | not sure how click packages are translated | 16:17 |
| seb128 | you mean? | 16:17 |
| Laney | but I would guess that they ship that themselves | 16:17 |
| Laney | or any universe app | 16:17 |
| seb128 | right | 16:17 |
| Laney | can't select those languages | 16:17 |
| seb128 | well, you don't want to advertise a language if the base OS has 0 translation for it | 16:18 |
| seb128 | even if some click has some | 16:18 |
| seb128 | it's like "oh, nice, esperanto is listed in the languages (because d_sert submitted and app and included some translations) | 16:19 |
| seb128 | but then you select it and nothing displays in esperanto | 16:19 |
| seb128 | -> disappointed | 16:19 |
| seb128 | the langpack approximation is not perfect but I think it's good enough? | 16:20 |
| Laney | oh I translated my favourite app to my language becaue my english isn't very good but the system won't let me pick it :( | 16:20 |
| attente | oh. so this is a question of whether filtering by installed langpacks is the right thing to do to begin with | 16:21 |
| Laney | I moved it on a bit ;-) | 16:21 |
| Laney | that is also a problem with what we have atm | 16:21 |
| seb128 | Laney, well, it's about setting expectations as well | 16:22 |
| seb128 | anyway, I discussed it for over an hour yesterday with mpt | 16:22 |
| Laney | I could imagine "install additional languages" which downloads the langpack | 16:22 |
| Laney | and maybe shows you % translated if that's possible | 16:22 |
| seb128 | we didn't find a good/robust way to flag valid languages | 16:22 |
| seb128 | we need something that simply the current list even if not perfect | 16:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, sure, I'm happy to revisit our code the day we have click langpacks | 16:23 |
| Laney | I'm not rejecting your solution | 16:23 |
| seb128 | which is on the roadmap | 16:23 |
| seb128 | but not being worked on yet | 16:23 |
| Laney | it's okay to suggest ways in which it could be better though | 16:23 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:23 |
| seb128 | I would like to land the first step though | 16:23 |
| seb128 | then we can discuss futur | 16:23 |
| seb128 | we sort of collide both topics now and I'm unsure which ones you would like to see fixed for the first landing | 16:24 |
| Laney | that's why I gave you feedback on the code first | 16:24 |
| Laney | and then started talking about the merts of the approach | 16:24 |
| seb128 | yeah, just trying to recap what needs to be changed | 16:24 |
| seb128 | so you would for the first landing do a dirList.likelyLocale() iteration to transform the list | 16:25 |
| seb128 | then match on that? | 16:25 |
| Laney | one second, moving back upstairs | 16:25 |
| Laney | getting cold | 16:25 |
| seb128 | why do you think it's better than the simple xx=XX check? | 16:25 |
| pitti | seb128: that won't work in some cases like sv_SE, or sr_RS@latin, but probably a good first heuristics | 16:25 |
| * pitti <- just a quick drive by; sorry, uber-busy today, and need to leave to sports | 16:26 | |
| pitti | desrt: the python API is quite rich; for C, you basically need to drop a report file into /var/crash | 16:26 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, thanks | 16:26 |
| pitti | desrt: we have some helpers like /usr/share/apport/recoverable_problem which you can call with arguments | 16:26 |
| pitti | desrt: maybe you can already use that, maybe we need someting similar | 16:27 |
| * pitti waves, sorry | 16:27 | |
| seb128 | pitti, do you know of a better heuristic? | 16:27 |
| desrt | pitti: i'll take a look | 16:27 |
| desrt | thanks | 16:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, have a good evening | 16:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, let's chat tomorrow | 16:27 |
| Laney | seb128: I just installed all langpacks and there's 'xh' which corresponds to 'xh_ZA' and 'te' -> 'te_IN' for example | 16:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, pitti mentioned sr_RS | 16:35 |
| Laney | ya | 16:35 |
| Laney | actually only en and zh have variants translated it seems | 16:36 |
| didrocks | have good evening guys | 16:38 |
| Laney | this guy quits too fast | 16:38 |
| desrt | +1 | 16:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, so you think maybe not listing variants out of en_XX zn_XX ones? | 16:43 |
| Laney | those are the ones we have now but I guess there could be more in future | 16:45 |
| Laney | I was mainly trying to support my original idea ;) | 16:46 |
| larsu | desrt: I need a hidden-when=action-missing-or-disabled | 16:46 |
| seb128 | Laney, would your original idea work in all cases? | 16:46 |
| seb128 | I'm trying to do that bug get some issues | 16:46 |
| Laney | if the likely information is right ... | 16:47 |
| seb128 | qWarning() << "likely" << likelyLocaleForLanguage[language]; | 16:48 |
| seb128 | that always return "" for me | 16:48 |
| seb128 | I'm probably doing something wrong | 16:48 |
| seb128 | or that code doesn't work | 16:48 |
| seb128 | shrug, the likely things works by calling "/usr/share/language-tools/language2locale" | 16:50 |
| seb128 | which is some script hackery | 16:50 |
| Laney | ah that contains the mapping | 16:56 |
| Laney | would be better if that was dynamic, not sure if anywhere has this info | 16:56 |
| desrt | larsu: 'disabled' also hides actions when they're missing | 16:57 |
| desrt | since missing actions are always disabled... | 16:57 |
| larsu | oh that makes sense of course! thanks :) | 16:57 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks for the input, I think I'm going to think about this overnight | 17:00 |
| seb128 | I don't like much that likely thing | 17:00 |
| seb128 | calling some external shell script on every locale | 17:01 |
| seb128 | that probably contribute to that panel being slow to open | 17:01 |
| seb128 | I would like to remove that rather than stack more use to it | 17:01 |
| Laney | it's not going to make it be called any more times ... | 17:01 |
| seb128 | so maybe just loading the file with the map list | 17:01 |
| seb128 | right, but I want to remove those calls now that I saw them :p | 17:02 |
| Laney | I don't care for the specifics, it's the idea | 17:02 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:02 |
| Laney | it basically comes down to reading this main-countries file and some fallback cases | 17:02 |
| seb128 | yeah | 17:03 |
| seb128 | those locales things are more difficult that they should be :-/ | 17:03 |
| seb128 | on that note have a good evening everyone | 17:03 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks again for the feedback ;-) | 17:04 |
| Laney | seb128: you could make it accept multiple inputs and output them all, then you only have to call it once | 17:04 |
| Laney | instead of reimplementing it in C++ ;-) | 17:04 |
| Laney | no worries | 17:04 |
| Laney | bye from me too! | 17:04 |
| seb128 | bye :-) | 17:05 |
| Laney | god damn jffi defeated me | 17:05 |
| Laney | i'll be back tomorrow to take it on again | 17:05 |
| * willcooke -> EOD | 17:08 | |
| desrt | this guy quits too fast | 17:09 |
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