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| dholbach | good morning | 06:31 |
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| jcbjoe | can you backup sms and call logs in ubuntu-touch stable 14.09 ? | 07:20 |
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| sturmflut2 | jcbjoe: The call history is stored in ~/.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite | 07:28 |
| sturmflut2 | jcbjoe: Also SMS messages | 07:28 |
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| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Weights and Measures Day! 😃 | 08:32 |
| k1l_ | measure twice, cut once :) | 08:33 |
| JamesTait | Then realise your measurement was perfect, but your maths was wrong. 😉 | 08:36 |
| k1l_ | hehe | 08:36 |
| dadexix86 | Hi! there is this problem that came out on the Italian Ubuntu forum ( http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=597732 ), and I can definitely confirm it. If you remove an application (say Reminder, or Cut the Rope Free) it still occupies space on the phone, as one can easily see through Settings>Informations on the phone>Memory. Moreover there are many duplicated entries there (Music, Camera, Telegram and others), | 09:19 |
| dadexix86 | see this screenshot ( http://i59.tinypic.com/8xmvbn.png ). I could not find any bug report on this. Is this a known problem? Can you point out the correct bug report? Or should I write a new report? Against which package? | 09:19 |
| Trevinho | dadexix86: weird, do you also a bug in launchpad open? | 09:21 |
| dadexix86 | Trevinho, before opening a new one I wanted to know whether it is a known problem and then add informations there. Or I would like to know against which package one should fill it, before filling it against some wrong package :) | 09:23 |
| Trevinho | dadexix86: not sure... | 09:23 |
| popey | dadexix86: known bug | 09:26 |
| dadexix86 | popey, great, which keywords do you suggest to look for, to find it? | 09:26 |
| fixxxer | Hey guys, I'm a software engineer who really want to support ubuntu touch. First of, can the E4.5 phone be used as a daily driver? Second, anyone here that develops for ubuntu phone? | 09:26 |
| popey | i'm trying to find it | 09:27 |
| popey | dadexix86: bug 1454448 | 09:27 |
| ubot5 | bug 1454448 in click (Ubuntu) "Uninstalling app does not delete its data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454448 | 09:27 |
| popey | dupe of bug 1377180 | 09:29 |
| ubot5 | bug 1377180 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "[App Scope] No way to clean up app data" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377180 | 09:29 |
| dadexix86 | popey, not the same thing. it states "app is not even installed to be shown in storage view in the Settings app" while here apps are shown... | 09:29 |
| popey | there are multiple bugs which all cover the same thing really | 09:30 |
| dadexix86 | so you think that it is the same thing? | 09:38 |
| popey | yes | 09:43 |
| popey | it's all about click not cleaning up | 09:43 |
| fixxxer | Anyone? | 09:47 |
| dadexix86 | popey, thanks! | 09:47 |
| popey | fixxxer: what? | 10:00 |
| popey | fixxxer: yes, and yes. | 10:00 |
| fixxxer | Cool. I figure that C++ is a native language to use for development? | 10:01 |
| popey | we do use c++, yes. | 10:01 |
| popey | as well as qml | 10:01 |
| fixxxer | Very well, using C++ and QT to develop for PC. So, I guess it will be an easy transistion then | 10:02 |
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| fixxxer | Are there any emulators in the SDK or do we need to test every build in real hardware? | 11:43 |
| ogra_ | fixxxer, there is an emulator ... but only with basic functions | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | (no sound or sensors etc) | 11:50 |
| jgdx | good for osk stuff | 11:50 |
| jgdx | fixxxer, you can usually develop, build and run on e.g. x86 ubuntu 'desktop' | 11:50 |
| fixxxer | cool | 11:50 |
| fixxxer | Cool :) | 11:51 |
| ogra_ | depends what you build :) once you go off into the C++ world it gets arch specific ... | 11:51 |
| ogra_ | if you stay with QML and javascript it shoulld be arch independent though | 11:51 |
| fixxxer | I see | 11:53 |
| fixxxer | Gonna order the E4.5 in some time, but cant wait to start my project.. :) | 11:54 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, mornin, has importing failed for [1]? Seems to be out of date. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/libqofono/wily | 11:56 |
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| ogra_ | oSoMoN, every time i open a remote URL from an app the browser session seems to be re-set | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | (all my tabs are gone) | 12:20 |
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| jgdx | abeato, updated pr | 13:51 |
| abeato | jgdx, great, thanks! | 13:51 |
| * jgdx quickly returns to bzr | 13:51 | |
| abeato | :D | 13:52 |
| Sebsebsebb | Uhmmm | 13:52 |
| Sebsebsebb | pressed around with the power button on bq phone and ended up in the manufacture mode or sometthing | 13:53 |
| Sebsebsebb | pressed trying to get out but now on another odd screen in it | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | just press and hold ... that will cause a hard reset after 20sec or 30 or so | 13:54 |
| Sebsebsebb | Well presses around in it more by trying to get out with the power button and now in another screen on it | 13:56 |
| Sebsebsebb | with red borders | 13:56 |
| Sebsebsebb | red squares mainly as a border and some green and can actually draw using the finger in that one | 13:57 |
| Sebsebsebb | ogra_ yeah maybe I should just try holding power button down | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | it is the factory test mode | 13:59 |
| Sebsebsebb | but panicked so | 13:59 |
| Sebsebsebb | yeah it does seem to be a test thing that on | 13:59 |
| Sebsebsebb | Yay unresponsive power button again yay being sarcasm | 14:01 |
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| jgdx | abeato, quick question, any thing special I have to do to compile ofono (rilmodem)? | 15:01 |
| abeato | jgdx, well, just grab dependencies and do bzr bd | 15:02 |
| abeato | jgdx, or bootstrap-configure / make | 15:02 |
| jgdx | abeato, thanks | 15:02 |
| abeato | jgdx, np... any particular change that you are implementing? | 15:03 |
| jgdx | abeato, in libqofono, yes. Based off your ResetContext api | 15:03 |
| jgdx | just want passing tests | 15:03 |
| abeato | jgdx, ah, I see... let me know if you have any problems, I can send you a compiled ofono if you prefer | 15:04 |
| jgdx | abeato, nah, it seems to work. bootstrap-configure installs not in local. This expected? | 15:04 |
| abeato | jgdx, expected if you use the bzr branch | 15:05 |
| jgdx | abeato, used git | 15:05 |
| abeato | jgdx, but wait... if you want to test ResetContexts that's only in github | 15:05 |
| jgdx | :) | 15:06 |
| abeato | :D | 15:06 |
| jgdx | abeato, and ResetContexts will emit ContextRemoved signals, right? | 15:06 |
| abeato | jgdx, right, and ContextAdded too | 15:06 |
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| jgdx | abeato, … but only if it actually provisioned something | 15:07 |
| abeato | jgdx, sure | 15:07 |
| jgdx | abeato, thanks | 15:07 |
| abeato | jgdx, yw | 15:07 |
| jgdx | abeato, I'm using dfeet and if I call ResetContexts, I get "not allowed" | 15:25 |
| jgdx | while calling DisconnectAll e.g. yields no such error | 15:25 |
| jgdx | abeato, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11246574/ | 15:26 |
| abeato | jgdx, the prerequisites for the method to work are: no active contexts and ConnectionManager.Powered=false | 15:27 |
| jgdx | AND Powered false? :o | 15:28 |
| abeato | jgdx, and that there are no pending DBus methods | 15:28 |
| abeato | yes | 15:28 |
| abeato | it tries to make things safer and avoid races | 15:28 |
| jgdx | okk | 15:28 |
| abeato | you are removing all contexts anyway | 15:28 |
| abeato | so it should be fine | 15:28 |
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| theandy | Hi guys, I'm trying to follow the Porting guide. My device is the Moto G 2014. It is up and running with CM12.1. Anyone who has experience porting using the CM git? In the porting guide it says there will be another guide for CM Ports, but I have not found it. | 16:02 |
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| jgdx | abeato, so is there a way for e.g. uss to know when the contexts have been Reset? | 16:10 |
| jgdx | abeato, since we're powering down connman, we'd like to know when to power it back up | 16:10 |
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| abeato | jgdx, you will always receive one ContextAdded as a minimum | 16:37 |
| abeato | even if there is no apn defined for that operator | 16:37 |
| abeato | a default context is created in that case | 16:37 |
| abeato | anyway you can just way for the method to return too | 16:38 |
| brunch875 | Am I the only one whose Telegram takes AGES to load a chat? | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | depends on the chat | 16:58 |
| brunch875 | many pictures and text :D | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | i'm in a ~200ppl group, that one usually takes a while | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | the others not | 16:59 |
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| SturmFlut | brunch875, ogra_ : On my bq everything Telegram does takes ages. | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | file a bug ;) | 17:23 |
| SturmFlut | AHAHAHA | 17:27 |
| SturmFlut | Oh, sorry, wrong window | 17:27 |
| SturmFlut | Wellark: Ping | 17:34 |
| SturmFlut | Oh cool, Bluetooth Audio just works out of the box on krillin r22 :) | 17:37 |
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| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-Could-Really-Use-An-Android-Runtime-to-Emulate-Apps-481735.shtml | 18:31 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm lack of apps? | 18:31 |
| OerHeks | I have asked if bug1 could be extended with android. | 18:32 |
| OerHeks | but that was not in the filosofything of opensource. | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | it's not so much the philosophy of open source | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | being able to run android apps with an emulator on the device will never be the class of experience we want | 18:34 |
| lotuspsychje | who wants unsecure android apps on ubuntu anyways :p | 18:35 |
| SturmFlut | lotuspsychje: Well, it's just Silviu Stahie again, trying to grab a few clicks with some cheap article. Happens all the time. | 18:58 |
| lotuspsychje | SturmFlut: yeah | 18:58 |
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| brunch875 | Pah, ubuntu touch doesn't need android apps | 19:08 |
| brunch875 | this will all be solved when the convergence hits and we're able to run desktop apps | 19:08 |
| brunch875 | lack of games? Just install steam and run counter strike | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: right havent thought of that | 19:09 |
| brunch875 | after I'm done with the exams and learning django I'm going to port a magnificent game I made for XNA on C# | 19:10 |
| brunch875 | issue with that game is it didn't run anywhere other than windows | 19:11 |
| brunch875 | and to be honest, it wasn't extensible at all. Had to 'compile' the maps with the game so third party maps were entirely killed | 19:11 |
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| brunch875 | I wish they had let us choose the platform in college. XNA is even deprecated from what I know | 19:14 |
| brunch875 | otherwise the game was veeery fun and original :D | 19:14 |
| dobey | brunch875: yeah, i dobut you'll be installing steam and running half life on your phone :) | 19:17 |
| brunch875 | mmmhh maybe it's fun with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse! | 19:17 |
| dobey | brunch875: i mean, they aren't for ARM | 19:17 |
| brunch875 | ouch, that's true | 19:17 |
| dobey | and probably won't be fun on a low end x86 either | 19:18 |
| brunch875 | but you know, valve's giving a lot of love to linux | 19:18 |
| dobey | like, playing team fortress on an atom might be painful | 19:18 |
| brunch875 | maybe they recompile for the sake of it | 19:18 |
| brunch875 | TFC ran neatly on my dead-end computer :D | 19:18 |
| brunch875 | but I know what you mean | 19:19 |
| brunch875 | it's definitely not a phone game | 19:19 |
| dobey | even if valve does make steam itself, and their games available for arm, most people selling games on steam probably won't | 19:19 |
| brunch875 | yeah, that's certain | 19:20 |
| dobey | like, the steam app on android only does chat and such. they don't sell games through steam there. | 19:20 |
| brunch875 | they should probably open up that market | 19:20 |
| dobey | so i wouldn't expect them to do so on ubuntu either. they're way more interested in getting their console out than adding more platforms or games right now, i think :) | 19:21 |
| brunch875 | They probably don't sell games via steam on android because it conflicts with google's marketplace | 19:21 |
| brunch875 | could be different with utouch | 19:21 |
| brunch875 | mobile games are the future after all | 19:21 |
| dobey | i doubt the lack of games on android is because it conflicts with the marketplace | 19:23 |
| dobey | it's probably more because they don't want to deal with multiple architectures | 19:24 |
| brunch875 | I believe it's because google's marketplace is an obstacle since apps can only be installed through there | 19:25 |
| lotuspsychje_ | 90% of android games hold malware lol | 19:25 |
| dobey | nope | 19:26 |
| dobey | i'm like 110% certain it's because ARM is a pain :) | 19:26 |
| brunch875 | haha | 19:26 |
| dobey | they didn't support OSX until Apple switched completely away from PPC | 19:26 |
| brunch875 | but aside from that, just leaving steam as a game distribution service | 19:27 |
| dobey | and they only added Linux support when they decided to make a console | 19:27 |
| brunch875 | still wouldn't work because it competes with the marketplace | 19:27 |
| dobey | nope | 19:27 |
| dobey | steam would work fine on android | 19:27 |
| dobey | just the same as amazon music works fine | 19:27 |
| brunch875 | wouldn't everything have to funnel through the marketplace? | 19:27 |
| brunch875 | otherwise you'd have to enable third party apks or something from settings | 19:28 |
| * brunch875 flees to grab dinner | 19:28 | |
| dobey | no | 19:29 |
| dobey | steam games don't need to be .apks themselves | 19:29 |
| dobey | just like when you install a game in steam on linux, it doesn't grab a deb an install it | 19:29 |
| bqphone | good evening | 19:32 |
| bqphone | any chance to see the the changes made by any update? | 19:32 |
| bqphone | like yesterday camera got an update and today Telegram | 19:32 |
| lotuspsychje_ | there is a changelog somewhere | 19:33 |
| lotuspsychje_ | dont have url by hand here | 19:33 |
| dobey | bqphone: if you view the preview for apps, it should show the changes in the latest version, down under "What's new" | 19:34 |
| bqphone | where i can find this preview? | 19:35 |
| dobey | bqphone: long press on the app icon in the app scope, or search for the app in the store scope | 19:36 |
| bqphone | okay saw it, thx | 19:37 |
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| bqphone | about Telegram if i have a question i need to mail them or someone here can give the answer? | 19:38 |
| mcphail | Is there a way to launch an app on the screen of the phone from an adb shell session? I can't connect to Mir when I try | 19:41 |
| taiebot | awe: will there be any progress on this bug in the next cycle ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1323837 | 19:47 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1323837 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Sim toolkit is not available on UT" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 19:47 |
| awe | taiebot, there hasn't been any commercial demand for it, so probably not | 19:48 |
| awe | taiebot, patches are always welcome though... | 19:48 |
| awe | ;)- | 19:49 |
| taiebot | awe: i have found a meego app https://gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-app-satk/source/6296ebb569697c5a80ee6b518ccf8c331d7cb840:doc/sim_toolkit_design_draft.txt#L7 | 19:49 |
| taiebot | awe: Do you think it could be used in ut without too much work? | 19:49 |
| dobey | mcphail: "ubuntu-app-launch `ubuntu-app-triplet com.ubuntu.calculator`" for example | 19:50 |
| awe | I'm really not the person to ask. I work on the low-level network stack. This is really a framework/unity/app question... | 19:50 |
| awe | taiebot, feel free to add that link in a bug comment though... it might be helpful as a reference | 19:51 |
| taiebot | awe: i did long time ago :'( | 19:51 |
| awe | ok | 19:51 |
| awe | taiebot, sorry... I realize this is important to you; but we haven't gotten any feedback from OEMs that this is important to their current markets | 19:53 |
| awe | it's really out of my hands | 19:53 |
| mcphail | dobey: thanks, I'll have a look at that | 19:54 |
| taiebot | awe: i do understand it s not on the priority list. I could change network provider as well | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | taiebot: the jolla one is based on that, so i'd say yes | 19:55 |
| taiebot | Stskeeps: What would i need to do to port it to UT? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't know, but if the ofono sim kit is anything like it used to be.. then it's a UI excersise and a background process one | 19:56 |
| faenil | taiebot: if as Stskeeps says Jolla is using that as a base, then it should be pretty doable | 20:05 |
| taiebot | faenil: i have downloaded ubuntu STK, downloaded the code what should i do next | 20:06 |
| faenil | taiebot: port the app? :D | 20:08 |
| faenil | change the UI, keep the backend, stuff like that | 20:08 |
| taiebot | faenil: i suppose i need to keep the folder structure. How do i do this on the STK | 20:09 |
| faenil | ? | 20:10 |
| faenil | there's a .pro file which you open | 20:10 |
| taiebot | faenil: yeah it opens but it opens as a QT creator application not as a UT app | 20:13 |
| faenil | what do you mean? | 20:13 |
| faenil | it opens a .pro file, it's a project | 20:13 |
| faenil | then you have to modify it to build on ubuntu | 20:14 |
| faenil | you could create a new app template and see what's missing from the .pro of the app template | 20:14 |
| taiebot | faenil. OK got it. | 20:14 |
| faenil | taiebot: good :) | 20:15 |
| brunch875 | I wonder if wine will run on utouch | 20:20 |
| brunch875 | sounds unlikely but there's no hard on dreaming :p | 20:20 |
| lotuspsychje | brunch875: unlock dir and try install via terminal :p | 20:20 |
| brunch875 | s_hard_harm | 20:20 |
| brunch875 | haha it definitely won't work now | 20:21 |
| BOHverkill | wine on arm O.o | 20:25 |
| K1773R | brunch875: wine + qemu-static works | 20:27 |
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| brunch875 | whaaat | 20:27 |
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| dobey | oh taiebot left | 20:57 |
| Mike | hi | 21:02 |
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| Guest44869 | hi | 21:03 |
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| mcphail | bschaefer: ping | 22:36 |
| bschaefer | mcphail, hello | 22:37 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: Hi - there are a few of us struggling to get sdl2 working with mir on ubuntu-touch. Various segfaults etc when launching an app. Do you have any pointers to what we are doing wrong? | 22:38 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: example backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11249985/ | 22:38 |
| bschaefer | hmm i've seen that protobuff crash before (but usually the stack is corrupt) | 22:39 |
| bschaefer | mcphail, one thing would be to try to print out SDL_GetError() | 22:39 |
| bschaefer | double check the screen size is correct | 22:39 |
| bschaefer | what app are you trying to run? | 22:40 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: it is crashing in SDL_Init, so can't even get that far | 22:40 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: various things, but, for example https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template | 22:40 |
| bschaefer | o hmm, another issue (i think i had fixed?) was it tries to use OpenGL | 22:41 |
| bschaefer | since there are opengl headers around | 22:41 |
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| bschaefer | (well i have fixed the opengl issue somewhere... im pretty sure its upstream/debian) | 22:42 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: SDL_INIT_VIDEO is def calling mir, but everything gets lost after that | 22:42 |
| bschaefer | mcphail, do any SDL2 apps work for you? | 22:42 |
| bschaefer | mcphail, also i was running into this weird issue where i needed sudo to actually connect with the server | 22:43 |
| bschaefer | try running sudo ./app | 22:43 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: I had built a custom sdl2 stack (directly on the phone) a few weeks ago which seemed to run. But I lost it with an update (didn't know it would destroy /usr/local). Been trying for a couple of days to recreate in a click chroot but that hasn't worked | 22:43 |
| bschaefer | the issue i was having needing sudo to run an app started sometime this month | 22:44 |
| bschaefer | not really sure how that happened... | 22:44 |
| * bschaefer also isn't sure if thats even relevant here | 22:44 | |
| bschaefer | mcphail, if you're compiling it your self make sure you've --disable-video-opengl | 22:44 |
| bschaefer | since it thinks opengl is on the phones since the GL*/ headers are there | 22:45 |
| bschaefer | should be in the debain/rules file though | 22:45 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: ok, I'll try that. Been compiling from upstream rather than the debian source | 22:45 |
| bschaefer | hmm that could be an issue, the upstream source doesn't have anything new mir wise | 22:46 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: doesn't seem to in the changelogs. stock ubuntu build does the same, anyway | 22:47 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: I was making a custom build because sdl does everything it can to avoid building mir support! Didn't know if the Ubuntu/debian config had picked up on that | 22:48 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: I'm off to bed now, but thanks for the pointers. I'll experiment over the next few evenings | 22:48 |
| bschaefer | mcphail, i had patched it to where it should be supporting mir | 22:48 |
| bschaefer | mcphail, another thing to try | 22:48 |
| bschaefer | --disable-mir-shared | 22:48 |
| bschaefer | err | 22:48 |
| bschaefer | --disable-mir-shared | 22:49 |
| bschaefer | --disable-shared-mir | 22:49 |
| bschaefer | one of those haha | 22:49 |
| mcphail | :) | 22:49 |
| bschaefer | i forgot off the top of my head | 22:49 |
| bschaefer | mcphail, have a good night! Poke me if its still failing | 22:49 |
| mcphail | bschaefer: cheers | 22:49 |
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