=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === salem_ is now known as _salem === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [06:31] good morning [07:20] can you backup sms and call logs in ubuntu-touch stable 14.09 ? === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === Lihis- is now known as Lihis [07:28] jcbjoe: The call history is stored in ~/.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite [07:28] jcbjoe: Also SMS messages === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [08:32] Good morning all; happy Weights and Measures Day! 😃 [08:33] measure twice, cut once :) [08:36] Then realise your measurement was perfect, but your maths was wrong. 😉 [08:36] hehe [09:19] Hi! there is this problem that came out on the Italian Ubuntu forum ( http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=597732 ), and I can definitely confirm it. If you remove an application (say Reminder, or Cut the Rope Free) it still occupies space on the phone, as one can easily see through Settings>Informations on the phone>Memory. Moreover there are many duplicated entries there (Music, Camera, Telegram and others), [09:19] see this screenshot ( http://i59.tinypic.com/8xmvbn.png ). I could not find any bug report on this. Is this a known problem? Can you point out the correct bug report? Or should I write a new report? Against which package? [09:21] dadexix86: weird, do you also a bug in launchpad open? [09:23] Trevinho, before opening a new one I wanted to know whether it is a known problem and then add informations there. Or I would like to know against which package one should fill it, before filling it against some wrong package :) [09:23] dadexix86: not sure... [09:26] dadexix86: known bug [09:26] popey, great, which keywords do you suggest to look for, to find it? [09:26] Hey guys, I'm a software engineer who really want to support ubuntu touch. First of, can the E4.5 phone be used as a daily driver? Second, anyone here that develops for ubuntu phone? [09:27] i'm trying to find it [09:27] dadexix86: bug 1454448 [09:27] bug 1454448 in click (Ubuntu) "Uninstalling app does not delete its data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454448 [09:29] dupe of bug 1377180 [09:29] bug 1377180 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "[App Scope] No way to clean up app data" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377180 [09:29] popey, not the same thing. it states "app is not even installed to be shown in storage view in the Settings app" while here apps are shown... [09:30] there are multiple bugs which all cover the same thing really [09:38] so you think that it is the same thing? [09:43] yes [09:43] it's all about click not cleaning up [09:47] Anyone? [09:47] popey, thanks! [10:00] fixxxer: what? [10:00] fixxxer: yes, and yes. [10:01] Cool. I figure that C++ is a native language to use for development? [10:01] we do use c++, yes. [10:01] as well as qml [10:02] Very well, using C++ and QT to develop for PC. So, I guess it will be an easy transistion then === oSoMoN__ is now known as oSoMoN [11:43] Are there any emulators in the SDK or do we need to test every build in real hardware? [11:49] fixxxer, there is an emulator ... but only with basic functions [11:50] (no sound or sensors etc) [11:50] good for osk stuff [11:50] fixxxer, you can usually develop, build and run on e.g. x86 ubuntu 'desktop' [11:50] cool [11:51] Cool :) [11:51] depends what you build :) once you go off into the C++ world it gets arch specific ... [11:51] if you stay with QML and javascript it shoulld be arch independent though [11:53] I see [11:54] Gonna order the E4.5 in some time, but cant wait to start my project.. :) [11:56] kenvandine, mornin, has importing failed for [1]? Seems to be out of date. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/libqofono/wily === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:20] oSoMoN, every time i open a remote URL from an app the browser session seems to be re-set [12:20] (all my tabs are gone) === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth === mibofra_ is now known as mibofra === vrruiz is now known as rvr [13:51] abeato, updated pr [13:51] jgdx, great, thanks! [13:51] * jgdx quickly returns to bzr [13:52] :D [13:52] Uhmmm [13:53] pressed around with the power button on bq phone and ended up in the manufacture mode or sometthing [13:54] pressed trying to get out but now on another odd screen in it [13:54] just press and hold ... that will cause a hard reset after 20sec or 30 or so [13:56] Well presses around in it more by trying to get out with the power button and now in another screen on it [13:56] with red borders [13:57] red squares mainly as a border and some green and can actually draw using the finger in that one [13:58] ogra_ yeah maybe I should just try holding power button down [13:59] it is the factory test mode [13:59] but panicked so [13:59] yeah it does seem to be a test thing that on [14:01] Yay unresponsive power button again yay being sarcasm === Tassadar_ is now known as Tassadar [15:01] abeato, quick question, any thing special I have to do to compile ofono (rilmodem)? [15:02] jgdx, well, just grab dependencies and do bzr bd [15:02] jgdx, or bootstrap-configure / make [15:02] abeato, thanks [15:03] jgdx, np... any particular change that you are implementing? [15:03] abeato, in libqofono, yes. Based off your ResetContext api [15:03] just want passing tests [15:04] jgdx, ah, I see... let me know if you have any problems, I can send you a compiled ofono if you prefer [15:04] abeato, nah, it seems to work. bootstrap-configure installs not in local. This expected? [15:05] jgdx, expected if you use the bzr branch [15:05] abeato, used git [15:05] jgdx, but wait... if you want to test ResetContexts that's only in github [15:06] :) [15:06] :D [15:06] abeato, and ResetContexts will emit ContextRemoved signals, right? [15:06] jgdx, right, and ContextAdded too === oSoMoN__ is now known as oSoMoN [15:07] abeato, … but only if it actually provisioned something [15:07] jgdx, sure [15:07] abeato, thanks [15:07] jgdx, yw [15:25] abeato, I'm using dfeet and if I call ResetContexts, I get "not allowed" [15:25] while calling DisconnectAll e.g. yields no such error [15:26] abeato, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11246574/ [15:27] jgdx, the prerequisites for the method to work are: no active contexts and ConnectionManager.Powered=false [15:28] AND Powered false? :o [15:28] jgdx, and that there are no pending DBus methods [15:28] yes [15:28] it tries to make things safer and avoid races [15:28] okk [15:28] you are removing all contexts anyway [15:28] so it should be fine === salem_ is now known as _salem === andreas__ is now known as theandy [16:02] Hi guys, I'm trying to follow the Porting guide. My device is the Moto G 2014. It is up and running with CM12.1. Anyone who has experience porting using the CM git? In the porting guide it says there will be another guide for CM Ports, but I have not found it. === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === _salem is now known as salem_ [16:10] abeato, so is there a way for e.g. uss to know when the contexts have been Reset? [16:10] abeato, since we're powering down connman, we'd like to know when to power it back up === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [16:37] jgdx, you will always receive one ContextAdded as a minimum [16:37] even if there is no apn defined for that operator [16:37] a default context is created in that case [16:38] anyway you can just way for the method to return too [16:58] Am I the only one whose Telegram takes AGES to load a chat? [16:58] depends on the chat [16:59] many pictures and text :D [16:59] i'm in a ~200ppl group, that one usually takes a while [16:59] the others not === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === mibofra is now known as Guest19095 [17:23] brunch875, ogra_ : On my bq everything Telegram does takes ages. [17:23] file a bug ;) [17:27] AHAHAHA [17:27] Oh, sorry, wrong window [17:34] Wellark: Ping [17:37] Oh cool, Bluetooth Audio just works out of the box on krillin r22 :) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [18:31] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-Could-Really-Use-An-Android-Runtime-to-Emulate-Apps-481735.shtml [18:31] hmm lack of apps? [18:32] I have asked if bug1 could be extended with android. [18:33] but that was not in the filosofything of opensource. [18:33] it's not so much the philosophy of open source [18:34] being able to run android apps with an emulator on the device will never be the class of experience we want [18:35] who wants unsecure android apps on ubuntu anyways :p [18:58] lotuspsychje: Well, it's just Silviu Stahie again, trying to grab a few clicks with some cheap article. Happens all the time. [18:58] SturmFlut: yeah === Tassadar_ is now known as Tassadar [19:08] Pah, ubuntu touch doesn't need android apps [19:08] this will all be solved when the convergence hits and we're able to run desktop apps [19:08] lack of games? Just install steam and run counter strike [19:09] brunch875: right havent thought of that [19:10] after I'm done with the exams and learning django I'm going to port a magnificent game I made for XNA on C# [19:11] issue with that game is it didn't run anywhere other than windows [19:11] and to be honest, it wasn't extensible at all. Had to 'compile' the maps with the game so third party maps were entirely killed === aaron is now known as ahoneybuni === ahoneybuni is now known as ahoneybun [19:14] I wish they had let us choose the platform in college. XNA is even deprecated from what I know [19:14] otherwise the game was veeery fun and original :D [19:17] brunch875: yeah, i dobut you'll be installing steam and running half life on your phone :) [19:17] mmmhh maybe it's fun with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse! [19:17] brunch875: i mean, they aren't for ARM [19:17] ouch, that's true [19:18] and probably won't be fun on a low end x86 either [19:18] but you know, valve's giving a lot of love to linux [19:18] like, playing team fortress on an atom might be painful [19:18] maybe they recompile for the sake of it [19:18] TFC ran neatly on my dead-end computer :D [19:19] but I know what you mean [19:19] it's definitely not a phone game [19:19] even if valve does make steam itself, and their games available for arm, most people selling games on steam probably won't [19:20] yeah, that's certain [19:20] like, the steam app on android only does chat and such. they don't sell games through steam there. [19:20] they should probably open up that market [19:21] so i wouldn't expect them to do so on ubuntu either. they're way more interested in getting their console out than adding more platforms or games right now, i think :) [19:21] They probably don't sell games via steam on android because it conflicts with google's marketplace [19:21] could be different with utouch [19:21] mobile games are the future after all [19:23] i doubt the lack of games on android is because it conflicts with the marketplace [19:24] it's probably more because they don't want to deal with multiple architectures [19:25] I believe it's because google's marketplace is an obstacle since apps can only be installed through there [19:25] 90% of android games hold malware lol [19:26] nope [19:26] i'm like 110% certain it's because ARM is a pain :) [19:26] haha [19:26] they didn't support OSX until Apple switched completely away from PPC [19:27] but aside from that, just leaving steam as a game distribution service [19:27] and they only added Linux support when they decided to make a console [19:27] still wouldn't work because it competes with the marketplace [19:27] nope [19:27] steam would work fine on android [19:27] just the same as amazon music works fine [19:27] wouldn't everything have to funnel through the marketplace? [19:28] otherwise you'd have to enable third party apks or something from settings [19:28] * brunch875 flees to grab dinner [19:29] no [19:29] steam games don't need to be .apks themselves [19:29] just like when you install a game in steam on linux, it doesn't grab a deb an install it [19:32] good evening [19:32] any chance to see the the changes made by any update? [19:32] like yesterday camera got an update and today Telegram [19:33] there is a changelog somewhere [19:33] dont have url by hand here [19:34] bqphone: if you view the preview for apps, it should show the changes in the latest version, down under "What's new" [19:35] where i can find this preview? [19:36] bqphone: long press on the app icon in the app scope, or search for the app in the store scope [19:37] okay saw it, thx === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [19:38] about Telegram if i have a question i need to mail them or someone here can give the answer? [19:41] Is there a way to launch an app on the screen of the phone from an adb shell session? I can't connect to Mir when I try [19:47] awe: will there be any progress on this bug in the next cycle ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1323837 [19:47] Launchpad bug 1323837 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Sim toolkit is not available on UT" [Wishlist,Triaged] [19:48] taiebot, there hasn't been any commercial demand for it, so probably not [19:48] taiebot, patches are always welcome though... [19:49] ;)- [19:49] awe: i have found a meego app https://gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-app-satk/source/6296ebb569697c5a80ee6b518ccf8c331d7cb840:doc/sim_toolkit_design_draft.txt#L7 [19:49] awe: Do you think it could be used in ut without too much work? [19:50] mcphail: "ubuntu-app-launch `ubuntu-app-triplet com.ubuntu.calculator`" for example [19:50] I'm really not the person to ask. I work on the low-level network stack. This is really a framework/unity/app question... [19:51] taiebot, feel free to add that link in a bug comment though... it might be helpful as a reference [19:51] awe: i did long time ago :'( [19:51] ok [19:53] taiebot, sorry... I realize this is important to you; but we haven't gotten any feedback from OEMs that this is important to their current markets [19:53] it's really out of my hands [19:54] dobey: thanks, I'll have a look at that [19:54] awe: i do understand it s not on the priority list. I could change network provider as well [19:55] taiebot: the jolla one is based on that, so i'd say yes [19:56] Stskeeps: What would i need to do to port it to UT? [19:56] i wouldn't know, but if the ofono sim kit is anything like it used to be.. then it's a UI excersise and a background process one [20:05] taiebot: if as Stskeeps says Jolla is using that as a base, then it should be pretty doable [20:06] faenil: i have downloaded ubuntu STK, downloaded the code what should i do next [20:08] taiebot: port the app? :D [20:08] change the UI, keep the backend, stuff like that [20:09] faenil: i suppose i need to keep the folder structure. How do i do this on the STK [20:10] ? [20:10] there's a .pro file which you open [20:13] faenil: yeah it opens but it opens as a QT creator application not as a UT app [20:13] what do you mean? [20:13] it opens a .pro file, it's a project [20:14] then you have to modify it to build on ubuntu [20:14] you could create a new app template and see what's missing from the .pro of the app template [20:14] faenil. OK got it. [20:15] taiebot: good :) [20:20] I wonder if wine will run on utouch [20:20] sounds unlikely but there's no hard on dreaming :p [20:20] brunch875: unlock dir and try install via terminal :p [20:20] s_hard_harm [20:21] haha it definitely won't work now [20:25] wine on arm O.o [20:27] brunch875: wine + qemu-static works === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [20:27] whaaat === aaron is now known as Guest85752 === Guest85752 is now known as ahoneybun [20:57] oh taiebot left [21:02] hi === Mike is now known as Guest44869 [21:03] hi === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [22:36] bschaefer: ping [22:37] mcphail, hello [22:38] bschaefer: Hi - there are a few of us struggling to get sdl2 working with mir on ubuntu-touch. Various segfaults etc when launching an app. Do you have any pointers to what we are doing wrong? [22:38] bschaefer: example backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11249985/ [22:39] hmm i've seen that protobuff crash before (but usually the stack is corrupt) [22:39] mcphail, one thing would be to try to print out SDL_GetError() [22:39] double check the screen size is correct [22:40] what app are you trying to run? [22:40] bschaefer: it is crashing in SDL_Init, so can't even get that far [22:40] bschaefer: various things, but, for example https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template [22:41] o hmm, another issue (i think i had fixed?) was it tries to use OpenGL [22:41] since there are opengl headers around === salem_ is now known as _salem [22:42] (well i have fixed the opengl issue somewhere... im pretty sure its upstream/debian) [22:42] bschaefer: SDL_INIT_VIDEO is def calling mir, but everything gets lost after that [22:42] mcphail, do any SDL2 apps work for you? [22:43] mcphail, also i was running into this weird issue where i needed sudo to actually connect with the server [22:43] try running sudo ./app [22:43] bschaefer: I had built a custom sdl2 stack (directly on the phone) a few weeks ago which seemed to run. But I lost it with an update (didn't know it would destroy /usr/local). Been trying for a couple of days to recreate in a click chroot but that hasn't worked [22:44] the issue i was having needing sudo to run an app started sometime this month [22:44] not really sure how that happened... [22:44] * bschaefer also isn't sure if thats even relevant here [22:44] mcphail, if you're compiling it your self make sure you've --disable-video-opengl [22:45] since it thinks opengl is on the phones since the GL*/ headers are there [22:45] should be in the debain/rules file though [22:45] bschaefer: ok, I'll try that. Been compiling from upstream rather than the debian source [22:46] hmm that could be an issue, the upstream source doesn't have anything new mir wise [22:47] bschaefer: doesn't seem to in the changelogs. stock ubuntu build does the same, anyway [22:48] bschaefer: I was making a custom build because sdl does everything it can to avoid building mir support! Didn't know if the Ubuntu/debian config had picked up on that [22:48] bschaefer: I'm off to bed now, but thanks for the pointers. I'll experiment over the next few evenings [22:48] mcphail, i had patched it to where it should be supporting mir [22:48] mcphail, another thing to try [22:48] --disable-mir-shared [22:48] err [22:49] --disable-mir-shared [22:49] --disable-shared-mir [22:49] one of those haha [22:49] :) [22:49] i forgot off the top of my head [22:49] mcphail, have a good night! Poke me if its still failing [22:49] bschaefer: cheers