[00:17] <intrbiz> yay, I have sheepdog up and running
[00:19] <daftykins> how long until you're on one man and his dog?
[00:20] <intrbiz> well I guess I might be able to borrow on of those boston dynamics creations
[00:57]  * OerHeks takes a ride on his chihuahua, yipeee!
[00:57] <daftykins> hahaha
[04:36] <mapps> morming
[04:46] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:04] <MooDoo> morning
[07:20] <diplo> Morning all
[07:33] <MooDoo> howdy diplo
[07:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:36] <SuperMatt> g'day mates
[07:37] <MooDoo> howdy howdy howdy
[07:38] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt and MooDoo
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Weights and Measures Day! 😃
[08:33]  * directhex measures JamesTait 
[08:34] <JamesTait> How many cubits?
[08:37] <MooDoo> 1.21 jiggawatts isn't it
[08:37] <popey> Morning slackers
[08:37] <MooDoo> morning ;)
[08:40] <brobostigon> gigawatts, MooDoo
[10:38] <kjvarley> Got a weird apache2 problem after doing updates last night. All of my virtualhosts have stopped working.
[10:39] <kjvarley> Chrome reports ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED for them
[10:40] <kjvarley> My entries are still present in /etc/hosts and here is the content of my /var/log/apache2/error.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/11242632/
[10:49] <diplo> They're not errors, just notices, basically just sayings its restarted. Could set the servername to drop that one
[10:50] <diplo> So no sites work at all ?
[10:50] <kjvarley> diplo: Correct
[10:50] <kjvarley> It's weird, because I ahven
[10:50] <kjvarley> It's weird because I haven't changed the virtualhost files
[10:50] <diplo> Was it a big update? or just a security one, changes from apache 2.2 -> 2.4 had some major config changes
[10:51] <kjvarley> Is there a way to view what I updated last ?
[10:52] <kjvarley> Got it
[10:52] <diplo> Maybe, not sure of that.. I'll check.. can check your apache configs I think by apache2 -t
[10:52] <kjvarley> Software centre lets you view it
[10:52] <diplo> Ah is this running locally then ?
[10:53] <kjvarley> Yeah, sorry I forgot to say
[10:53] <kjvarley> Here's the error from apache2 -t http://paste.ubuntu.com/11242824/
[10:54] <kjvarley> The APACHE_LOCK_DIR variable is set in /etc/apache2/envvars tho
[10:54] <diplo> Not seen that before, that is set in /etc/apache2/envvar
[10:54] <diplo> Does that exisit on yours
[10:55] <kjvarley> Yeah it seems to
[10:55] <kjvarley> My /etc/apache2/envvars http://paste.ubuntu.com/11242834/
[10:56] <diplo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/452042/why-is-my-apache-not-working-after-upgrading-to-ubuntu-14-04
[10:57] <kjvarley> I have disabled the default config tho
[10:57] <kjvarley> Via sudo a2dissite 000-default
[10:59] <kjvarley> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11242874/
[10:59] <diplo> Ah, reading another post.. it is because you haven't defined servername apprently
[11:00] <diplo> add localhost to servername in apache2.conf or your preferred fqdn
[11:00] <diplo> I've not had that on mine, odd
[11:02] <diplo> http://serverfault.com/questions/558283/apache2-config-variable-is-not-defined
[11:02] <diplo> Was the post, mines not set either though
[11:02] <diplo> But... I updated today.. not sure if that was a apache update though
[11:04] <diplo> Hmm tis confusing as others are putting down different reasons, your site.conf is set to /var/www or /var/www/html ? as that seems it could be the issue too. Also why I may not have seen it as I change my DocumentRoot to something completely different than /var/www
[11:07] <kjvarley> I'm not using the default config
[11:07] <kjvarley> my web roots are in /srv
[11:08] <kjvarley> /srv/domain.localhost/public_html
[11:08] <kjvarley> I've managed to get it to show me something
[11:08] <kjvarley> But now the magento install is saying invalid PHP version. Saying 5.3.0 or newer...But I'm on 5.6
[11:09] <kjvarley> It's odd
[11:12] <diplo> Does sound like something is odd about your install
[11:12] <diplo> php -v returns the same ?
[11:13] <kjvarley> Sorted
[11:14] <kjvarley> Added this to the virtualhost
[11:14] <kjvarley> <Directory />
[11:14] <kjvarley> 	  Options FollowSymLinks
[11:14] <kjvarley> 	  AllowOverride All
[11:14] <kjvarley> 	  Require all granted
[11:14] <kjvarley> 	</Directory>
[11:14] <kjvarley> Ooops sorry for the spam...
[11:15] <kjvarley> I think I removed the newrelic php module and that disabled PHP. But that wasn't causing the virtual host issue
[11:15] <kjvarley> Fixed now anyway :)
[11:18] <diplo> That change is the 2.2 -> 2.4 apache thing I mentioned earlier, but I got a completely different error from memory
[11:21] <kjvarley> Haha thanks for your help diplo :)
[15:59]  * diddledan picks his nose
[15:59] <diddledan> quiet in here today
[16:00] <popey> davmor2 isn't around, that's why
[16:00] <diddledan> aah
[16:00] <zmoylan-pi> maybe we could clone davmor2 to davmor3...
[16:00] <diddledan> ooh good idea
[16:00] <zmoylan-pi> a backup
[16:02] <zmoylan-pi> or davmor2 could get an apprentice to fill in for their absences
[16:02] <diddledan> so what pet projects are folk working on? I'm personally messing about with polymer webcomponents
[16:03] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: an intern will do a reasonable job plus they never sleep
[16:04] <diddledan> do interns get paid?
[16:05] <zmoylan-pi> all the coffee and biscuits they can stomach
[16:05] <zmoylan-pi> rich tea and digestive biscuits and instant coffee
[16:05] <diddledan> lol, chrome's omnibar - I wrote "do interns" and the top suggestion was "do interns get paid?"
[16:05] <zmoylan-pi> an occasional custard cream...
[16:11] <diddledan> I'm assuming a custard tart is something NSFW
[16:11] <zmoylan-pi> tescos do a very nice custard donut
[16:11] <diddledan> the french refer to custard as "creme anglais"
[16:12] <diddledan> as in "english cream"
[16:13] <diddledan> one of my polymer webcomponents contributions: http://diddledan.github.io/validate-string/
[16:13] <diddledan> a utility component
[16:14] <diddledan> I even wrote a testsuite for it : http://diddledan.github.io/validate-string/test/
[16:14] <diddledan> that was the first time I have ever done Test Driven Development
[16:15] <diddledan> I impressed myself
[16:15] <shauno> o/
[16:15] <diddledan> I think I probably would have been bashing my head for longer than I did if I hadn't had the testsuite
[16:15] <diddledan> allo shauno
[16:15] <shauno> evening cupcake
[16:15] <diddledan> how are you sweetheart?
[16:16] <shauno> hm.  how come it only creeps me out when you do it
[16:16] <diddledan> lol
[16:17] <diddledan> for some reason I come-across creepy no matter what I say - it's a gift I guess
[16:17] <shauno> I'm panicking.  or packing.  I'm not sure what the difference is at this point
[16:17] <diddledan> going away?
[16:18] <shauno> kinda.  spending 3 days sailing offshore
[16:18] <diddledan> eep
[16:18] <diddledan> will you be able to remain civilised (connected)?
[16:19] <shauno> so my bag so far has socks and dramamine
[16:19] <diddledan> if there's one thing you want when you're at sea, it's to be intertted
[16:19] <diddledan> internetted*
[16:20] <diddledan> you only need socks - other clothes are overrated
[16:20] <shauno> just one of those "I should have put more thought into this" moments :)
[16:20] <diddledan> may want something waterproof
[16:20] <diddledan> e.g. a boat
[16:21] <shauno> anyhow, projects .. my pi thing is gathering dust waiting for me to get the faceplate cnc'd
[16:21] <diddledan> and probably a rubber ducky for when you fall in
[16:22] <shauno> it mostly works, it just looks like it all fell out of a shoebox and accidentally worked
[16:22] <diddledan> lol
[16:23] <shauno> this does seem to be a trend with the pi though.  it's very difficult to do anything that doesn't look like a spider
[16:24] <diddledan> a dead spider!
[16:24] <diddledan> or maybe a colony of dead spiders
[16:25] <shauno> I did get some pigtails to dress it up though.  that's helping a lot
[16:25] <bashrc> morning
[16:27] <shauno> evening bashrc
[17:10] <daftykins> hrmm just ordered an Amazon FireTV stick for £20 delivered - should be fun for a tinker
[17:10] <daftykins> especially with Kodi installed 8D
[17:45] <shauno> hm.  pulled two chips and put them Somewhere Safe.  looks like I'll have to order new ones :(
[17:50] <daftykins> damn.
[17:50] <daftykins> that'll teach you for being careful!
[17:50] <shauno> I took pics to keep track of which way around they went on the board.  I should have took one of where I put them!
[17:57] <daftykins> :D
[18:03] <zmoylan-pi> don't worry, once you open the packet the new ones come in, you'll remember :-)
[18:10] <ChunkzZ> is this a pure uk channel?
[18:11] <daftykins> in what sense?
[18:11] <daftykins> i don't think anyone demands proof of ID ;)
[18:11] <ChunkzZ> lmao
[18:11] <ChunkzZ> can anyone recommend a car for cheap insurance in the uk?
[18:14] <intrbiz> ChunkzZ: http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/insurance/car-insurance-groups/
[18:15] <ChunkzZ> yeah, not what I was looking for.
[18:17] <daftykins> brb going to the insurance company next door for help with Ubuntu
[18:17] <daftykins> :D
[18:18] <ChunkzZ> hence why I asked daftykins no need to be an arse
[18:19] <daftykins> oh that's what you meant by pure UK 0o
[18:19] <daftykins> genuinely that was impossible to understand
[18:19] <daftykins> anyway, calm down - it's called humour
[18:22] <ChunkzZ> you're always doing it, funny humour.
[18:23] <daftykins> ah relax.
[18:26] <directhex> insurance groups are silly
[18:26] <directhex> my chevy is a higher group than an identical-model vauxhall, which only differs by badge on the bodywork
[18:27] <daftykins> heh
[18:31] <intrbiz> one assumes there is more profiling involved that just the mechanics of the car
[18:33] <shauno> bookies don't always offer 50/50 odds on a toincoss either.  almost exactly the same deal.  it doesn't depend on logical odds, it depends on the odds of "the house" losing money
[18:34] <intrbiz> indeed
[18:34] <intrbiz> or the reality that younger drivers are more likely to crash etc
[18:34] <intrbiz> along with people who do it often
[18:37] <daftykins> i could see directhex driving like Ace Ventura
[18:37] <directhex> ._.
[18:43] <DJones> daftykins: Erm, do you meam Driving Miss Daisy's chaufeer
[18:43] <daftykins> ;)
[18:43] <daftykins> i have no data!
[18:49] <shauno> we won't mention daftykins' driving, there was enough stitches last time ;)
[18:52] <daftykins> was that of laughter or the ones in hospital
[18:52] <daftykins> i don't actually have a driving license, never bothered
[18:53] <shauno> you only need one if you get caught anyway ;)
[18:53] <daftykins> not many places to run on an island ^_^
[18:54] <shauno> I just got an odd mental picture of the police using the benny hill tune as a siren :|
[18:54] <daftykins> i was told a great story the other day by a guy who had his parked car crashed into by someone
[18:55] <daftykins> the police phoned him up and asked him to attend his vehicle, then the 18 year old copper tried to get him breathalised
[18:55] <daftykins> for a parked car :>
[18:56] <shauno> hmmm
[18:56] <shauno> devil's advocate: the police don't know the car wasn't moving at the time, and want to rule out that he ran away for fault?
[18:57] <daftykins> nah it would've been along the side of a narrow local street, where cars all park end to end
[18:57] <daftykins> *one way street no less
[18:57] <daftykins> but nah he went into the station and suggested the young PC be educated in the ways of not breathalising someone who was at home
[18:58] <shauno> most my silly police stories are from the states.  like the one who showed up to bust a bride & groom for underaged drinking at a wedding reception
[18:58] <shauno> which isn't the punchline!  his car got stolen while he was inside =x
[18:59] <daftykins> the copper or the groom? :D
[18:59] <shauno> the copper
[19:00] <shauno> it takes a very special sense of humour to steal a policecar in a town of <1000
[19:00] <daftykins> was it the Blues Brothers?
[19:00] <shauno> no :(  just someone else who was drunk at the same party
[19:00] <daftykins> :D
[19:01] <shauno> (and yes, busted at their own wedding.  one of the sillier side effects of having a 21 agelimit)
[19:01] <daftykins> \o/
[19:02] <shauno> the silliest one, naturally, being moving there at 20 and being told you're not old enough to drink anymore
[19:02] <daftykins> that's pretty silly
[19:20] <KrimZon> when I run "sudo lshw -C network", what does "*-network DISABLED" actually mean?
[19:20] <KrimZon> as in, who or what disabled it and can it be enabled?
[19:21] <KrimZon> I'm trying to get atl1e drivers to work for wired lan
[19:21] <daftykins> is the interface down?
[19:22] <KrimZon> i think so
[19:22] <KrimZon> ifdown says the interface isn't configured
[19:25] <intrbiz> KrimZon: what does `ip link` show as up / down
[19:26] <KrimZon> lo up, eth1 down, wlan1 up
[19:29] <KrimZon> oh... "sudo ifup eth1" responds "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" "Failed to bring up eth1."
[19:31] <daftykins> http://serverfault.com/questions/601450/dhclient-what-does-rtnetlink-answers-file-exists-mean
[19:31] <KrimZon> aha, fiddling got it to come up
[19:32] <intrbiz> looks like eth1 has no link
[19:36] <KrimZon> I gave too many things a gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:39] <KrimZon> oh it's forgotten its nameservers again
[19:40] <KrimZon> I could've sworn I put them in the place where it'd remember
[19:43] <KrimZon> I can't figure it out now either... does anybody know?
[19:45] <intrbiz> KrimZon: dnsmasq or /etc/resolv.conf ?
[19:46] <diddledan> first minute is some reminiscing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eu23_if6Lw
[19:46] <KrimZon> actually, it's right in resolv.conf
[19:53] <KrimZon> it can't connect to any non-lan IP now
[19:54] <KrimZon> should "ifconfig" show the gateway if it has one configured?
[19:59] <davmor2> we haz t'interwebz
[20:01] <daftykins> diddledan: typical mac owners, icons along the finder bar as wide as the screen ;)
[20:01] <diddledan> lol
[20:28] <shauno> :|
[20:30] <diddledan> wow, github's api is seriously rate-limited
[20:30] <davmor2> popey: you are lucky I'm in Orlando and can't jump in my car ;)
[20:30] <diddledan> 60 requests per hour for anonymous or 5000 for authenticated
[20:31] <diddledan> that really sucky
[20:31] <diddledan> means my fix might not be accepted :-( (https://github.com/PolymerElements/iron-doc-viewer/pull/25)
[21:09] <ali1234> popey: i saw an interesting link on xubuntu mailing list today
[21:10] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candle_problem#Glucksberg
[21:10] <ali1234> specifically:
[21:10] <ali1234> "turning the task into a competition for limited resources can create mild levels of stress"
[21:11] <ali1234> "This stress response effectively shuts down the creative thinking and problem solving areas of the brain"
[21:27] <popey> ali1234: where'd that come from?
[21:28] <ali1234> which part?
[21:28] <popey> just wondered why you pinged me about that
[21:28] <ali1234> popey: because of that thing we talked about on PM a few months ago :)
[21:29] <popey> you have a way better memory than me :)
[21:29] <popey> also, combined with my terrible memory