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ahoneybun:)00:00
valorieEtriaph: be sure to talk to Sho_00:00
ahoneybunwell Ubuntu Documentation: A Unified Approach00:00
valorieas he is the sparkplug00:00
ahoneybunon the list at SELF00:00
valorievery nice, ahoneybun00:00
* ahoneybun needs to change that ss on his slideshow from kate to konsole00:00
valorieIt would be great to get all flavors sharing docs for sure00:00
ahoneybunwhite is not as readable as black00:00
valoriesince much of what we have to document is the same00:01
ahoneybunblack on white vs white on black00:01
ahoneybunhaving similar langs is one step00:01
ahoneybunsame place where they are being held is helpful to future contributors and users alike00:02
valorieyes00:03
ahoneybunI've been talking to the Lubuntu Docs team about this as well00:04
valorieexcellent00:05
ahoneybunI just need to get the ball rolling as you say for the other teams to see it is possible and very worth it00:05
valoriewe don't talk enough among the flavors00:05
ahoneybuntrue00:06
ahoneybunI'm trying to improve that00:07
ahoneybunhave true transparent comms00:07
valorieexcellent00:09
* valorie goes off to dinner00:09
ahoneybunvalorie: https://github.com/petermatulis/serverguide00:11
* ahoneybun pokes ovidiu-florin as he knows he is awake00:28
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: how do you know that?00:28
ahoneybunGoogle+ Post00:28
ovidiu-florin:P00:28
ahoneybunXD00:29
* ovidiu-florin is trying to install OneDrive with PlayOnLinux00:29
shadeslayerstalkers00:29
ahoneybunhave you seen the discussion between me and valorie00:29
ovidiu-florinahoneybun:  me?00:29
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: ^00:30
ahoneybunRiddell: I found a page on kubuntu.org that talked about the very very old docs00:31
shadeslayerdoes anyone know what happend to JonTheEchidna00:31
shadeslayerand rgreening00:31
ahoneybunyofel: or shadeslayer I'll be poking you tomorrow bout helping me setup LP for uploading again00:33
ahoneybundon't remember who helped me last time00:34
shadeslayerI'm busy from 10 AM CEST to 9 PM CEST00:34
shadeslayerso anytime around 9 PM CEST works for me00:34
shadeslayer( probably around dinner time I guess )\00:34
ahoneybunno clue what that is for me, let me look00:35
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: seems like a long conversation00:36
ahoneybunthats 3pm for me00:36
ovidiu-florinis is still about the stickers?00:36
ovidiu-florinor DVDs?00:36
ahoneybunno the Docs/Manual in RST00:36
ahoneybunand such00:36
ahoneybunjust asked if you saw it00:36
ahoneybunI'll be waiting shadeslayer lol00:36
shadeslayercool00:36
ahoneybunI do have the key files on Drive00:37
shadeslayer9 - 9:30 should work for me00:37
ahoneybunso I think I just have to upload them to LP or something00:37
shadeslayerunless I get caught up in something00:37
shadeslayerokay00:37
* ahoneybun looks at socks00:37
ahoneybunI have a keyFile and a secret.key00:38
QuintasanDo we have anyone with bug editing powers in KDE bugtracker?00:54
Quintasan#345403 and #345138 are duplicates of #34332100:57
QuintasanAh NVidia01:01
QuintasanHow can I not hate you?01:01
QuintasanEverything got smaller after installing the drivers01:01
Quintasanshadeslayer: Jon is probably busy with college if that's what you wanted to know01:02
shadeslayerI guess01:04
QuintasanI see him tweeting sometimes though :P01:06
shadeslayerhehe01:07
shadeslayerQuintasan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhDl5nOw6_A01:07
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sitterRiddell: did you run a merge of experimental for frameworks?08:34
Riddellsitter: no I'm afraid I've not had the opportunity08:55
sitterRiddell: going to push it then I guess, it's not like it could possibly get any more red08:56
sitterI, [2015-05-21T10:38:58.917309 #13568]  INFO -- : The following repos will have kubuntu_wily_archive pushed:08:56
sitter attica, extra-cmake-modules, karch08:56
sitterthat's somewhat odd I suppose08:56
sitteralthough perhaps maxy merged more experimentals into master already08:56
sitterI wonder if we maybe should force merge commits for these mass merges09:00
sitterpottentially makes it easier to diff09:00
sitter-t09:00
sitterhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/207048292/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.attica-kf5_5.10.0%2Bgit20150521.0858%2B15.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz09:02
sitterOo09:03
sitterwgrant: ^ has launchpad gotten a new builder? output seems kinda broken09:03
wgrantsitter: yes, PPAs now use vivid's sbuild. The encoding fix is rolling out now.09:05
sitterok, groovy :)09:05
wgrant(we're currently doing a test rebuild before we roll out the new sbuild to the Ubuntu builders)09:05
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sitterRiddell: please setup the wrap-and-sort check hook http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/git-hooks.git/09:10
sitterkamoso isn't wrapped -.-09:10
* sitter wonders why the merger sets NOCI09:25
sitternot documented, very smart -.-09:26
sitterso who's gonna do something about the cmake debian build type thing?10:36
sitterno one it is ⊙īšâŠ™ 10:43
Riddellsitter: what's wrong with it?10:45
sittersee debian-kde list... pkg-kde-tools sets buildtype to Debian which we haven't implemented anywhere so we build without relevant no-debug flags10:46
sitterapparently it all comes down to this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=65391610:46
ubottuDebian bug 653916 in cmake "cmake does not support CPPFLAGS environment variable" [Normal,Open]10:47
sitteralas, I have no clue where we'd carry the Debian thing in kf5 since ECM does no longer override the build flags10:47
shadeslayerPass it in via kf5flags?10:48
Riddellshadeslayer: what's the magic command to make key generation faster?10:49
shadeslayerInstall haveged10:50
shadeslayerOr something like that10:50
wgrantsitter: Build logs are fixed now. Let us know if you see any issues that might be due to the sbuild upgrade.11:48
sitterwgrant: will do11:53
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BluesKajHiyas all12:36
* sick_rimmit waves12:38
sick_rimmitHi BluesKaj12:38
BluesKajHi sick_rimmit12:39
BluesKajis plasma 5.3 in the regular kubuntu-backports yet or is the ppa still needed ?13:39
Quintasanbug #1452408 - should we modify the kde-config-systemd to install the so files into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins or modify the search path?13:46
ubottubug 1452408 in kde-config-systemd (Ubuntu) "kde-config-systemd doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145240813:46
yofelBluesKaj: PPA, it won't get into backports14:14
yofelQuintasan: hm, maybe the pulugin path isn't correctly set during build? qt5 sounds correct14:15
Quintasanyofel: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/kcm_systemd.so14:16
QuintasanThat's probably the problem14:16
yofelQuintasan: right, all other kcms are in qt5/plugins/14:16
QuintasanThe libraries get installed somewhere where the framework doesn't even bother to look.14:16
QuintasanWeird thing is that the package doesn't even have any install file.14:17
BluesKajyofel, thanks, so it remains a ppa 14:17
QuintasanI'd check with upstream but I'm busy with AI14:17
yofelQuintasan: you don't need one if there's only one binary package14:17
Quintasanyofel: Well, if it doesn't get installed where you want it to then you probably need it :P14:17
yofelnah, just set the correct QT_PLUGIN_PATH during build I think14:18
QuintasanThere was no new release ;_;14:19
QuintasanI think -DQT_PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR would solve the issue14:19
yofellet me try --with=kf514:20
Quintasandh magic <314:20
yofelwe have *something* that does the right thing, I'm just not sure what ^^14:21
Quintasankde4-config --qt-plugins yields the proper path but I don't see any kf5 equivalent14:21
yofelqtpaths --plugin-dir does that14:22
Quintasank14:22
yofel-- Installing: /tmp/buildd/kde-config-systemd-1.1.0+git20150330/debian/kde-config-systemd/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_systemd.so14:24
yofelyep, that helped14:24
yofelQuintasan: so add pkg-kde-tools and --with=kf514:24
QuintasanRight.14:25
RiddellKDDA: I'm going away soon and won't be back online until monday evening I'm afraid we won't have time to look at the packaging14:32
RiddellKDDA: but the next step is easy, just run   debuild  it'll ask for some stuff to be installed, install that and run debuild again14:32
Riddelland then it'll take an age to compile14:32
sitterQuintasan, yofel: assuming you use pkg-kde-tools (whihc you should) do note that the dhmk include needs to be version /3/ respectively if you use the dh sequencer you have to run it --with kf514:39
yofelI did latter14:39
sittergetting the wrong plugin path is indicative of you using the kde4 version 14:40
yofelit used neither14:40
sitter(or of course upstream's cmake foo is crap, in which case that should be fixed ^^)14:40
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KDDAyofel: ping17:15
yofelKDDA: hm?17:15
KDDAdo you know about debuild?17:16
yofelsure17:16
KDDARiddell said to run debuild17:16
KDDAbut Im hitting an error17:16
KDDAUnmet build dependencies and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc failed17:17
yofelit should list which dependencies are missing17:17
KDDAyup17:17
yofeljust install them17:17
KDDAapt-get?17:17
yofelyep17:18
KDDAor in the build environment?17:18
yofelwherever you run debuild17:18
yofel(which should be in the build environment)17:18
KDDAIm on the Amazon box Riddell set me up on17:19
yofelright, so that should be your build environment at the same time17:19
KDDAIm assuming apt-get would install the packages system wide, but I think it just needs to be in the build environment17:19
yofelunless you use a chroot, that's the same thing17:20
KDDAis there a flag for debuild to auto install them?17:20
KDDAin its environment?17:20
yofelno, there's tools like pbuilder that will automatically setup a chroot, install the dependencies there and run debuild there17:21
yofelbut for now just install them system wide17:21
yofelwe'll get to pbuilder later17:21
KDDAhis last instruction were "KDDA: but the next step is easy, just run   debuild  it'll ask for some stuff to be installed, install that and run debuild again"17:21
KDDAso just do it via apt-get?17:22
yofelyep17:22
KDDAdont want to break the VPS :/17:26
yofelthe point of them is that they're resettable ;P17:27
KDDAwhy does digikam need mysql-server ?17:29
yofelit uses an SQL DB for metadata storage I think17:31
KDDAimage meta data?17:31
yofelI really don't know17:31
KDDAok done17:37
KDDArerunning debuild17:37
KDDAseems to be doing something17:37
KDDAdo you guys do this on your our machines?17:38
KDDAown17:38
yofelusually yes17:39
yofelalthough for the mass for KDE packages we just let a script prepare the packages, throw everything a PPA and then parse the build logs for problems17:40
KDDAclever17:40
yofelfor fixing those problems we then build on our systems. Some use a prepared chroot, some use pbuilder/pbuilder-dist for clean builds, some sbuild17:41
yofelpbuilder-dist is an easy way to start17:42
KDDAso is debuild actually compiling the c++ files now?17:43
yofeldebuild runs a sequence of build targets on debian/rules, that file then has the job of building the package (where today most of that is actually taken care of by debhelper sequences, so rules is usually pretty small)17:44
KDDAIm seeing a lot of output!17:45
yofelyeah, digikam is huge, that'll take a while ^^17:46
KDDAoh great, plasma has crashed again17:46
KDDAwhat is KF5ThreadWeaver?17:48
KDDAhummm maybe its nvidia causing these crashes17:51
yofelif it is it should say nvidia somewhere in the trace..17:51
KDDAit does17:51
KDDA#12 0x00007f2693de03c8 in glXSwapBuffers () from /usr/lib/nvidia-340/libGL.so.117:51
yofel:S17:52
KDDAthere are 51 threads, how do I know which thread caused the crash17:53
yofelthere should only be one that starts with #617:53
KDDAsorry 5317:53
yofelthat's the one where the top is the drkonqi trace symbols, so they're hidden17:54
KDDAoh yes17:55
KDDAThread 1617:55
KDDAgot [KCrash Handler] in red17:55
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KDDAyofel: https://paste.kde.org/pe9kh5wl517:57
KDDAmean anything to you?17:57
yofellooks very nvidia to me..  but otherwise no, maybe poke mgraesslin when he's around17:59
KDDAIm on wily by the way18:00
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EtriaphMan Krita is really coming along.18:50
ovidiu-florinRiddell: ping19:02
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: ping19:02
aaron__yea ovidiu-florin?19:11
yofelovidiu-florin: Riddell is off until monday19:11
ovidiu-florinca you please send me your phone number?19:12
ovidiu-florinincluding prefix19:12
ovidiu-florinthank you to19:12
ovidiu-florinyofel: 19:12
ovidiu-florin^^19:12
KDDAyofel: how long should debuild take?19:12
KDDAit is still scrolling output!19:12
yofeldepends on how fast the system is..19:13
yofelcmake should print at which percentage of the build process it currently is19:13
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KDDAhavent seen a percentage19:14
yofelthen the output might be too large19:15
KDDAoh wait19:16
KDDAthere is19:16
KDDA[35%]19:16
KDDAthis is as bad as windows update!19:16
KDDAhours and hours of bull!19:17
yofelhm, that ec2 machine is rather slow...19:17
yofelokay, digikam is huge, but that's still slow19:18
KDDAshould have picked a smaller project!19:18
yofelpossibly, but if you later run "debuild -nc" (no-clean) you can skip the compiling while you fix the packaging19:20
yofelso this should be a one-time thing19:20
KDDAdoes debuild generate the package too, or is that a separate step? 19:20
yofeldebuild calls dpkg-buildpackage, which does everything. You'll see the individual steps later19:21
KDDAso it will create all the packages of binarys and sources?19:28
yofelright19:28
KDDAnice19:28
KDDAlike magic19:28
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ahoneybunovidiu-florin: you pinged me19:31
ovidiu-florinca you please send me your phone number?19:31
ovidiu-florinincluding prefix19:31
* ahoneybun pokes shadeslayer about his LP account19:32
ahoneybunfor ovidiu-florin? You can reach me on Hangouts19:32
* ahoneybun has no idea what it would cost him for those long distance calls19:32
ovidiu-florinI have skype minutes19:33
ahoneybunI have no skype19:33
ovidiu-florinyou don't have to19:33
ahoneybundo we need to have voice for a reason though19:33
KDDAget an VoIP number19:35
KDDAshould be free to call it19:35
* ahoneybun gives up19:35
KDDAresistance is futile19:36
KDDAyou guys ever tried mumble for meetings?19:47
yofelwe did, does work, but I can't say I liked it19:51
KDDAjust curious19:51
KDDAopen meetings?19:51
yofelwe used mumble for the past release meetings, only this time we decided to do it as part of UOS19:52
yofelthe recordings should be somewhere..19:52
KDDAIve seen recordings on google hangouts19:52
KDDAoh we are sucking diesel now20:06
KDDA72%20:06
KDDA7520:07
KDDA8420:07
KDDA9120:08
KDDA9920:08
KDDAeak20:09
KDDAits gone back to 020:09
yofelnow it's running "make install", should be pretty fast20:10
KDDA21%20:10
KDDAso almost there?20:10
yofelit completed the "build" target successfully, now it's at "install", there's still a bit left20:11
shadeslayerahoneybun: ah sorry20:21
shadeslayerahoneybun: I'm just too stressed out20:21
shadeslayerI hope someone else can help out20:22
ahoneybunits all good shadeslayer don't worry :)20:24
KDDAwhat are you up to ahoneybun?20:24
shadeslayerahoneybun: maybe #ubuntu-devel and/or #ubuntu-packaging20:25
KDDAyippeee its making packages!!20:25
* KDDA does a wee dance20:25
KDDAlintian is a package checker?20:28
geniiBasically20:29
KDDAso to package this for 64bit, I need to run this all again on my own system?20:30
KDDAor send it to the build farm?20:31
KDDAwhat does this mean "out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.5 (current is 3.9.6)"?20:31
KDDAok so debsign failed, I guess it knows Im not Riddell!20:32
KDDAyofel: where does it store the .deb files?20:33
yofelin the same place the tarball is at (the .orig.tar.*)20:34
yofelthe easiest way to look up lintian tags is to simply look them up on the web, so google/... for out-of-date-standards-version20:35
yofel(in our case, you can ignore that tag, that's more for debian)20:36
ahoneybunKDDA: need to redo keys on LP to upload20:36
KDDAyeah, I need to sort out my public ID20:37
ahoneybundamn over 600 bucks for 150 flashdrives20:37
KDDAahoneybun: how big?20:38
ahoneybun2GB20:40
ahoneybunbut they are printed with the Kubuntu logo20:41
KDDAstill expensive20:41
KDDAI dont really like the kubuntu logo :/20:41
ahoneybun4.42 per unit20:41
ahoneybunUSD20:41
* KDDA hides20:41
ahoneybunI wanted to have some for SELF20:42
* ahoneybun thinks shirts would be cooler and cheaper20:42
ahoneybunI would love a KDE/Kubuntu shirt20:42
KDDAwill they preinstall kubuntu?20:42
ahoneybunnope20:42
ahoneybunI think maybe idk20:42
ahoneybunI know someone who can do that in mass20:42
ahoneybun16 or so at a time20:43
KDDAso if I was Jonathan Riddell, what is the next step to get these packages on to the build farm?20:44
ahoneybunor Harald Sitter20:44
KDDAhow many people have the authority to upload packages ?20:46
ahoneybunI would think Riddell, yofel, sitter to name a few20:46
KDDAahoneybun: you dont?20:47
ahoneybunnope20:47
ahoneybunI work on Docs/The Manual mostly so I would not need it, I poke Riddell to push20:50
KDDAI see20:52
yofelKDDA: next step would be to verify that the build was correct by looking at the build log, then maybe uploading to a PPA for testing, otherwise directly to the archive20:53
yofelin your case it would be a PPA20:54
KDDAbut what happens for multi arch?20:54
KDDAI think those packages are i38620:54
yofelah right, you have to make a *source only* package with "debuild -S", binaries aren't accepted by launchpad20:55
yofelthe build farm will do the rest20:55
KDDAah20:55
KDDAnice one20:55
yofelneed to run, someone else will have to help you with uploading ;)20:57
KDDAno problem, thanks for your help20:57
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valorieahoneybun: I have the stickers all cut and packed, just need to take the envelope to the PO21:46
valoriethere are only 60 left, so we really should get more printed21:47
KDDAvalorie: have you a pic of what they look like?21:50
valoriehmmm, I think I posted on G+ when jussi sent them to me21:50
KDDAmay I see?21:50
valorielooking21:51
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valoriehmmm, not there21:54
valoriemust be on my phone; getting the backup of that onto this box as we speak22:03
d_edwhere can I forward this to: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34808522:13
ubottuKDE bug 348085 in general "Opening Driver Manager segfaults" [Crash,Unconfirmed]22:13
d_edwe don't have a driver manager, it's a Kubuntu extra22:13
yofel86 level trace, wth22:16
yofeld_ed: looks like a qapt issue to me22:17
yofelshadeslayer: where do we track that? ^22:17
shadeslayeryofel: lunchpad22:35
shadeslayerd_ed: yofel tbh that looks like a crash in qapt22:36
shadeslayer#13 0x00007fdc99df3bd6 in QApt::Backend::reloadCache() () from /usr/lib/libqapt.so.222:36
shadeslayeror well, something in QApt that gets down to libapt22:36
shadeslayerI'll poke apol with it tomorrow22:36
* shadeslayer goes back into his hidey hole22:37
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KDDAwhen running debuild and I get dep errors, is there an easy way to auto install these?22:58
valorieKDDA: I can't find a photo and have no more time to look23:12
KDDAno problem, was just being nosy 23:12
KDDAany devs here?23:18

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