[01:14] <Ninjahmahs> anyone put cinnamon on kubuntu 15.04 ?
[02:34] <zxq9> Hrm... I am having a problem with LibreOffice not recognizing ibus/anthy IME input.
[02:34] <zxq9> It just shows normal latin characters, no Japanese. All other programs work fine, just LibreOffice doesn't seem to accept ibus input. ?
[04:19] <KsChoice_> keithzg: Just FYI, with the new nvidia 346 updates drivers, suspend also is working! actually, most of the bugs seem to have disappeared, yay!
[04:21] <KsChoice_> valorie: Also FYI, the nouveau driver I tried yesterday made my laptop go to initramfs this morning, AKA, it died.. I booted USB kubuntu, chrooted to the install, changed nouveau driver to the non recommended latest version nvidia 346 updates et voila, it appears that finally most bugs are gone
[04:32] <valorie> KsChoice_: bummer on the nouveau, but I'm happy you seem to have solved the problem
[04:33] <valorie> drivers used to be constant problems
[04:33] <valorie> I would not be happy to see that become true again
[04:34] <valorie> sucks that the various chipmakers can't just have free, open source drivers available
[04:34] <valorie> sheesh, we've already paid for your chips
[06:14] <Slayer> s
[06:15] <Slayer> any body have problem with change date on 15.04 ??
[06:16] <Slayer> Русские есть ?
[06:17] <Slayer> AAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[06:18] <Slayer> PEOPLEEEEEEEE
[06:18] <Slayer> all afk ?
[06:18] <Slayer> help
[06:20] <valorie> what?
[06:20] <valorie> how strange
[07:11] <excalibr> What is baloo_file process. I see it's consuming rather high cpu usage in top
[07:12] <valorie> excalibr: it is indexing
[07:13] <valorie> you can remove folders with large files such as videos if you like
[07:18] <excalibr> valorie, it's file indexing service for 'locate' command?
[07:19] <excalibr> valorie, how do I exclude path from being indexed by it?
[07:19] <valorie> systemsettings i think
[07:20] <valorie> yes, it's called file search
[07:20] <valorie> if you do alt+f2 and type baloo
[07:21] <valorie> that's what comes up, and you select to get directly to the kcm
[07:22] <excalibr> Is there way to set global settings for it?
[07:23] <valorie> that is where you exclude stuff
[07:23] <valorie> I suppose you could directly edit the rc file instead.....
[07:28] <excalibr> valorie, I mean system wide setting for it
[07:28] <excalibr> rather than per user setting
[07:29] <valorie> that I do not know
[07:29] <valorie> perhaps ask in #kde-devel
[07:55] <Walex> excalibr: there are system-wide settings for (nearly) everything but they are (almost?) all undocumented.
[08:03] <donniezazen> I can't get global menu to work with LibreOffice, Gimp, and Android Studio. They work flawlessly in Unity.
[08:08] <Walex> donniezazen: thanks for letting us know.
[08:53] <xennex81> I have never used file search actually, Is it for Dolphin?
[08:55] <soee_> prpbably used also by krunner etc
[09:09] <xennex81> I just turned it off in the Baloo screen, but.... how do you use it then?
[09:10] <xennex81> I always just do find -exec greps ;-)
[09:18] <mefisto> I'm looking for a troubleshooting guide for kubuntu sleep/hibernate that is up-to-date
[09:20] <mefisto> sleep doesn't work (screen goes black, but monitor stays on) and there is no hibernate in the launcher
[09:22] <Guest7854> Hi all!
[09:22] <Guest7854> I got a qq. I am about to install Kubuntu. But it doesn t allow me to partition the ntfs drive
[09:23] <Guest7854> If I use the option to use the complete hdd, I certainly will loose all my data on that hdd, right?
[09:23] <Guest7854> or will Kubuntu recognize, that there is data and just use the space available to it?
[09:24] <mefisto> Guest7854: is there an option to use available space? or is the whole disk filled with the ntfs partitions?
[09:24] <Guest7854> no, unfortunately not. It is indeed completly filled
[09:25] <s_20> Guest7854: you can always use windows itself to resize the partition
[09:25] <Guest7854> There is no windows on this hdd. That disk is dead
[09:26] <Guest7854> Or is there a way to do that with the Windows cd?
[09:26] <s_20> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoResizeWindowsPartitions
[09:26] <s_20> that i do not know, but behold, the first hit on google
[09:27] <Guest7854> Thank you s_20!  I am opening it now :)
[09:28] <Guest7854> ok, that does cover, if I would have had Windows on the hdd. Which I do not.
[09:29] <Guest7854> This going to be one of those painful experiences, mh?
[09:29] <s_20> might be
[09:29] <Guest7854> yeah. We learn everyday, :P
[09:29] <mefisto> Guest7854: the easy solution is a new disk to install on.
[09:29] <s_20> can't you put the HD into another machine?
[09:30] <Guest7854> unfortunately not. But buying a new Pc and going that road, might be an option.
[09:30] <mefisto> Guest7854: can you back up just the data and trash the rest of the partition?
[09:31] <Guest7854> mmmh...I cannot just pop out the dvd, right? - otherwise that or I get myself a external hdd.
[09:32] <Guest7854> Valid options indeed as well
[09:32] <Guest7854> Thank you mefisto!
[09:36] <Guest7854> ok
[09:37] <Guest7854> I have   no idea what just did happen.
[09:37] <Guest7854> I clicked frustrated in the installer around
[09:37] <Guest7854> now it shows me 88GB free space and 411 as used
[09:38] <Guest7854> I am desperate, so I will go for it.
[09:38] <Guest7854> Although, I don t understand what actually did happen just now
[09:59] <xennex81_> congratulations with your election @ valorie
[10:49] <remmas__> hello anyone
[10:52] <hyper_ch> hmmmm, KDE doesn't want to recognize one of my two external screens anymore. I tried to reboot... nada... the monitor settings don't even show the vga screen
[10:57] <hyper_ch> where does kde save the screen settings?
[11:34] <atox> Hello #kubuntu, my Digital Clock widget is stuck in AM/PM mode, no matter what regional settings I do, or what locale I set in /etc/default/locale
[11:34] <atox> I am running Kubuntu 15.04
[11:35] <atox> I have upgraded from 14.10
[11:41] <atox> Can anybody help me get my clock into 24 hours mode?
[12:18] <cyclick> Why could it take so long to mount a parition on boot according to dmesg: http://pastebin.com/ZTHCJyg6 ?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:05] <xennex81> hi Blues
[13:06] <BluesKaj> hey xennex81
[13:07] <xennex81> @cyclick: there is nothing in that dmesg fragment about mount times?
[13:07] <xennex81> @atox: there is or should be an option to select "regional" settings
[13:08] <xennex81> atox: the clock format depends on what region you have selected
[13:08] <xennex81> in those settings there is a format for the time, for am/pm versus military time
[13:08] <atox> xennex81: yes, I have set them to en_GB and other 24h regions, no effect
[13:09] <atox> in the Example time it is correctly rendered as 24h, but the clock widget ignores it
[13:09] <xennex81> is that kde 4 or 5?
[13:09] <xennex81> okay
[13:09] <xennex81> yes
[13:09] <xennex81> hmm
[13:09] <atox> kde5
[13:10] <xennex81> my panel just seems to have frozen ;-)
[13:10] <xennex81> oh it froze on the popup
[13:11] <xennex81> my example time was am/pm while my clock was at 24h ;-)
[13:11] <xennex81> i wonder if now on reboot/relog it will still be 24h ;-)
[13:11] <xennex81> i changed it to "detailed"
[13:11] <xennex81> but the weird thing is: in 14.10 the setting were more of the kind that you could change everything
[13:12] <atox> xennex81: I know, and this bugs me so much
[13:12] <atox> xennex81: on my other computer, also upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04, it works correctly
[13:12] <xennex81> it's a weird system, perhaps you can mail the maintainers or whatever mailinglist they are on
[13:14] <atox> xennex81: going to try something now, reset /etc/default/locale to, well, default
[13:14] <atox> brb
[13:15] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: I finally figured out what caused plasmashell crash on my system. Tricky: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348056
[13:17] <BluesKaj> pgquiles, did you try removing some plasma 4 dirs ?
[13:17] <xennex81> how can I find out who those maintainers are? Oh I'll ask in #plasma
[13:18] <BluesKaj> you could ask in #kubuntu-devel
[13:19] <BluesKaj> since plasma 5 is still in development
[13:20] <atox> xennex81: so, that didn't work
[13:21] <xennex81> i am asking around in #plasma, please join, they may want you to file a bug report though
[13:27] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: removing plasma 4 dirs did nothing. I described the problem in the bug report: Plasma finds Plasma5 directories, then tries to load ONLY from there. Even though directories are emtpy! Remove empty directories, problem solved.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> pgquiles, the reason I asked is that a lot of 15.04 apps still rely on plasma 4 to integrate with plasma 5, so plasma 4 dirs are definitely required for proper operation
[13:31] <steve-_-1> hi all. is this a problem using kde in vmware or is there a bug in kde not displaying the background over the full screensize? http://imgur.com/8bdkMsO kubuntu 15.04
[13:31] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, most likely it's your vmware setting for full screen
[13:33] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj: maybe. but this only happens with kubuntu. not with ubuntu or any other vm machine I have setup
[13:33] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, also make sure you have all th elatest updates/upgrades for 15.04
[13:33] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj: all updates installed
[13:33] <BluesKaj> and dist-upgrade
[13:34] <steve-_-1> hm updates says "system up to date" anything else to update?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, you might solve your problem by updating plasma 5.2.2 to 5.3 with the launchpad kubuntu-backports ppa
[13:35] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj: is there a tutorial for that?
[13:35] <steve-_-1> sorry I'm really new to linux
[13:36] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[13:36] <BluesKaj> !ppa
[13:39] <steve-_-1> hm, not sure what to do with that. so now I know what it is, but not what to do with your link
[13:40] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, click on "technical details about this PPA"
[13:44] <steve-_-1> hehe, so many problems. so I select ubuntu 15.04 (although using kubuntu) and then? paste the two lines into the temrinal?
[13:44] <steve-_-1> *terminal
[13:44] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, here's a tutorial http://askubuntu.com/questions/496495/can-a-ppa-repository-be-added-to-etc-apt-source-list
[13:44] <steve-_-1> ok sth happened in terminal
[13:45] <steve-_-1> but now what?
[13:45] <steve-_-1> I'm not sure but installing things on linux is somewhat confusing to an end user I guess
[13:46] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/MpAYjmWU
[13:49] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, follow the tutorial examples in the URL I posted above, it's very comprehensive and it will teach you haow to add ppas
[13:50] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj:  tutorial. you mean "answer 1" ?
[13:52] <steve-_-1> hm, wouldn't all of this be much easier if those ppas just included a link which opened a form of software center, where the user confirms the action via UI?
[13:58] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj:  ok, this is over my head. I see I need to add sudo add-apt-repository and then add the stuff from the details box from your link
[13:58] <steve-_-1> but that does not work
[13:59] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1,  sorry I was called away, click on "what's this ' in the launchpad url
[13:59] <steve-_-1> behind the signing key?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:00] <steve-_-1> so  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name
[14:00] <steve-_-1> Replace ppa:user/ppa-name with the PPA's location that you noted above.
[14:00] <steve-_-1> user = my user name?
[14:00] <steve-_-1> and ppa-name = deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu vivid main
[14:01] <steve-_-1> ? I find it really hard to determine which is which. user name, ppa, ppa url, ppa name
[14:04] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, ok just copy the deb lines from the launchpad , then alt+F2, type kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , the paste the debs to the bottom of the list
[14:04] <BluesKaj> the=then
[14:04] <steve-_-1> well for starters I can't even type a "-" pressing that key in kubuntu results in a /
[14:04] <BluesKaj>  save the soures.list file and sudo apt-get update in the konsole
[14:05] <BluesKaj> what key?
[14:06] <steve-_-1> if I press the - on my mac keyboard and in kubuntu that produces a /
[14:07] <xennex81> I think add-apt-respository is easier or has an easier format, for what it's worth.. ;-)
[14:07] <steve-_-1> ok some stuff is happening here. installing packages QApt batch installer installed
[14:08] <steve-_-1> hmm. so is there any way to adjust the keyboard settings? very strange this is not solved during the setup process.
[14:09] <steve-_-1> lol during all those things popping up, the background issue is now fixed.
[14:09] <steve-_-1> yey
[14:09] <steve-_-1> wow this is confusing.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, you need to reset in system settings>regional settings>formats
[14:10] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj: yep. I#ve put that to germany.
[14:10] <steve-_-1> logged out and back in BluesKaj
[14:11] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, ok I repeat, just copy the deb lines from the launchpad , then alt+F2, type kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , then paste the debs to the bottom of the list
[14:13] <steve-_-1> if I copy the lines from the launchpad site after adjusting to 15.04 vivid, terminal says "command not found"
[14:14] <xennex81> the deb lines are not commands
[14:14] <xennex81> they are for inclusion into the file
[14:14] <xennex81> you have to do that through an editor
[14:16] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, you need to do alt+F2 a box will open  ,type kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , then paste the debs to the bottom of the list
[14:17] <xennex81> but "sudo add-apt-respository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports" should do the trick, right?
[14:18] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj:  I really appreciate your patience. but typing is hard. "-" produces a "/" while the "/" produces a "&". I think I should get that fixed
[14:18] <BluesKaj> xennex81, no it doesn't
[14:18] <steve-_-1> once I can type, things should improve
[14:19] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, if your keyboard is acting up then theres' no point in going any further, that problem needs fixing
[14:19] <steve-_-1> but I don't know how to get that solved. I switched to german already but even after a restart z and y are still switched
[14:20] <xennex81> regular keyboards (in the Netherlands) have US International layout
[14:20] <xennex81> we don't use Netherlands layout, for what it's worth
[14:23] <steve-_-1> hmm, so system settings > regional settings > formats > I select german. but I don't see any keyboard settings
[14:23] <steve-_-1> ah got it
[14:24] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm not familiar with these locale problems since my default is always US altho I live in Canada :-)
[14:24] <xennex81> (The Netherlands layout (as used on older type machines) also replaces - with / and vice versa. The / is next to the shift (right shift) but on an older type machine, that is the - ).
[14:24] <BluesKaj> xennex81, this ommand should work , then signinbg needs to be added ,  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[14:24] <steve-_-1> so in system settings  > keyboard hardware and layout there are a few apple keyboards.
[14:25] <steve-_-1> but even all apple keyboards do not work as expected
[14:26] <xennex81> for what it's worth, BluesKaj, do you recommend using the backports on this Vivid install of mine?
[14:26] <xennex81> I have no issues at this point
[14:27] <BluesKaj> xennex81, only if you want to upgrade to plasma 5.3
[14:27] <xennex81> is there a noticable difference?
[14:27] <xennex81> I'd like to stick with stable as much as I can, but sometimes newest is more stable than oldest ;-)
[14:27] <steve-_-1> wow all this is very crazy https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard
[14:28] <BluesKaj> xennex81,  it did solve some graphics issues and crashes
[14:28] <BluesKaj> on my install at least
[14:29] <xennex81> I seem to run into kernel pagefaults on this machine, I'm not sure the motherboard is still good
[14:29] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, are you on a mac ?
[14:30] <steve-_-1> yep. mac and kubuntu is in vmware fusion
[14:30] <steve-_-1> A1314 keyboard in use here
[14:30] <BluesKaj> kind of advanced for a new linbux user
[14:30] <BluesKaj> err linux
[14:30] <steve-_-1> http://www.digicircle.com/images/product_image/AppleWireless%20Keyboard%20A1314.gif
[14:31] <xennex81> I had a keyboard almost like that on Windows, it used regular US International layout
[14:31] <xennex81> I dread to ask, but have you selected a normal US layout already?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> vmware isn't my cuppa tea, most vms aren't for that matter
[14:31] <steve-_-1> well I know computers a little bit and I know software. but linux is really new and I keep trying but end up in a state that I'm in right now: typing not working and I'm too stupid too understand the ppa system
[14:32] <xennex81> ppa is not easy, I have not used it myself
[14:32] <xennex81> there is something un-understandable about it ;-)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> well dealing with vmware and running linux as a new user can be a bit complicated
[14:32] <xennex81> yes I agree
[14:33] <steve-_-1> ah intersting note: the keyboard in the picture is US style. and my keyboard does exactly what is shown there. but I actually use this keyboard layout: http://www.thelaptopcentre.co.uk/user/products/A1314-DE.jpg
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ppas are like anything else , once you learn what they do and how they work it';s relatively simple, you just have to learn the steps required
[14:34] <steve-_-1> yes but installing stuff on osx is really simple. I just don#t get why it is such a big fuzz on linux
[14:35] <BluesKaj> it's not , you can use thew software center
[14:35] <BluesKaj> it's the package manager gui
[14:36] <xennex81> the PPA selection is just a bit unguided
[14:36] <xennex81> and I don't like the deb format, but that's why I stay away from it
[14:36] <xennex81> other than that most software in Linux is very easy to install
[14:36] <BluesKaj> yes, I'm disappointed in askubuntu tutorial . it's examples are poor
[14:37] <steve-_-1> well the initial issue with the background seems to be solved. so I don#t need to install anything atm. but I need to adjust the keyboard locale. but I can't seem to do that.
[14:37] <xennex81> it's better than in the past, when you sometimes had to get newest versions loaded through RPMs
[14:37] <steve-_-1> yep, but I just don't understand, why the UI isn't cleaner in general. launchpad is pretty cluttered and unwelcoming to users.
[14:38] <steve-_-1> and those page long help docs don't do any good to get things solved
[14:38] <xennex81> the package system in debian is more stable and quite dependable
[14:38] <xennex81> I know
[14:38] <BluesKaj> RPMs were dangerous when translated to dpkg/apt , they boke a lot of systems
[14:38] <xennex81> It's not very user friendly mostly
[14:38] <BluesKaj> broke
[14:38] <xennex81> I haven't had an issue with any package since I returned to Linux this year
[14:39] <xennex81> except that BlueGriffon crashes :(
[14:39] <xennex81> one of the few attractive HTML editors, but that aside
[14:39] <BluesKaj> BBL... stuff to dfo for a few mins
[14:40] <xennex81> it used the Mozilla engine, but still no good if it crashes, anyway...
[14:40] <xennex81> I agree Steve that the documents are often not very helpful
[14:40] <xennex81> they place a lot of the burden on the reader instead of on the writer of the documentation
[14:40] <steve-_-1> I have to say though while I'm still stuck with a few issues, Kubuntu looks much better than ubuntu. I'm glad I tried it out
[14:40] <xennex81> There is a big sense in Linux of gettting everyone involved even when they don't want to
[14:41] <Voyage> what are "unsupported" sources in muon or other package managers? I guess "prereleased" are beta versions though.
[14:41] <xennex81> and so a lot of time is wasted because a reader can't do what a writer has to do, and a reader can only do it for himself, while a writer can do it for millions
[14:41] <xennex81> (So thgis Sense of "get your hands dirty"  wastes a lot of Time)
[14:42] <steve-_-1> xennex81: also this sense keeps a ton of users from using linux
[14:42] <xennex81> because people are having to do the same thing over and over, instead of someone (responsible) doing it for everyone just once right
[14:43] <xennex81> true, I just wish the attitude would change (even more) and become more user friendly
[14:43] <xennex81> filing a bug report and it takes you 15 minutes to file it, is not a user friendly way of getting help
[14:45] <xennex81> it takes so long because the users (the developers) want the other users (the clients) to file an as detailed report as possible, there are even counters that say when you have written enough words
[14:45] <steve-_-1> does anybody know how to ge kubuntu to use a german keyboard leyout?
[14:45] <xennex81> but this wastes time
[14:46] <xennex81> I'm sorry to say, but it should work in any case already
[14:46] <xennex81> one of these "shoulds"
[14:46] <steve-_-1> I think I found it
[14:46] <xennex81> I hope so
[14:47] <xennex81> maybe you should find yourself a separate keyboard if this is what you want to do this urgently ;-)
[14:47] <xennex81> not a solution and not a friendly notice, but that is what it comes down to often...
[14:47] <steve-_-1> before I put a second keyboard on my desk, I delete the linux vm (:
[14:47] <Voyage> what are "unsupported" sources in muon or other package managers? I guess "prereleased" are beta versions though.
[14:48] <xennex81> unsupported is probably commercial
[14:48] <xennex81> stuff that the Kubuntu community will not support because it doesn't come from official open source repositories
[14:48] <steve-_-1> SUCCESS
[14:48] <xennex81> :)
[14:49] <xennex81> great :)
[14:49] <steve-_-1> wow, that was really difficult.
[14:49] <xennex81> so what did you need the Ubuntu VM for?
[14:49] <xennex81> and what did you do?
[14:49] <steve-_-1> I'm pretty sure none of my friends or my parents would have been able to get this done. it's not under hardware model but under "layout" . there you have to select "configure layout" then you have to add a new layout select german and then move that new layout to the top
[14:50] <steve-_-1> on osx you just select the country flag and you're done.
[14:50] <steve-_-1> and this is why linux finds so little adaption
[14:50] <xennex81> Ah, I also noticed that, took me a while to discover also
[14:50] <xennex81> no, not just this
[14:50] <xennex81> but it takes part of it
[14:50] <xennex81> lots of things are not intuitive
[14:51] <steve-_-1> xennex81: I think we agree. but why is it, that such a large community fails to see such things as a problem?
[14:51] <johngreco> How can I add an Away-Screen effect? Instead of it just going black
[14:51] <xennex81> because they are mired in a belief that says everyone needs to get their hands dirty in order to even use the system
[14:51] <steve-_-1> for most people I know they would have stopped the linux experiment and go back to windows 45 minutes ago
[14:51] <xennex81> they call it "contribution"
[14:52] <steve-_-1> xennex81:  well I hope this changes because I really think linux on the desktop is important
[14:52] <xennex81> "how to contribute" is often the first thing they tell you
[14:52] <xennex81> even when you are a new user, that has no need to contribute anything
[14:52] <steve-_-1> xennex81: this article here is a perfect example how not to help the user: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard
[14:53] <steve-_-1> instead of just pointing out the steps I just described they bore you to death with the entire history of linux and apple keyboards
[14:53] <xennex81> yes, pretty unreadable no?
[14:53] <steve-_-1> that is really sad
[14:53] <xennex81> I'm of a different mind, but I hope to contribute more myself in that department
[14:53] <xennex81> it is just a mindset........
[14:53] <xennex81> bad writing
[14:53] <steve-_-1> xennex81:  are you involved in coding for linux?
[14:53] <xennex81> i never read any docu
[14:53] <xennex81> i wish to be
[14:54] <xennex81> just to make a word processor workable ;-)
[14:54] <xennex81> Calligra
[14:54] <xennex81> and perhaps other stuff, I like coding in Linux, I have never liked coding in e.g. Windows this last part of my life
[14:54] <steve-_-1> so you are contributing to calligra? why not contribute to Libreoffice?
[14:54] <xennex81> I hate LibreOffice (OpenOffice) and I have hated it since it began
[14:55] <xennex81> it is so hideous, so ugly
[14:55] <steve-_-1> hehe ok. valid point. LO has taking a few steps in the right direction in the past 18 months I think
[14:55] <xennex81> I could never work in it, although it looks better in Linux than it does in Windows
[14:55] <xennex81> I have not seen any real difference since 10 years ago
[14:55] <steve-_-1> breeze icons are a huge win
[14:55] <xennex81> the user interface are still as bad
[14:55] <steve-_-1> they are starting to clean it up here and there
[14:56] <xennex81> seriously, I used Linux in 1996 and in 2000 OpenOffice was already around
[14:56] <xennex81> I have not seen it improve
[14:56] <xennex81> they should tackle some usability issues, just as in the Gimp, but they ("they") don't do it
[14:57] <xennex81> it is also a tiredness
[14:57] <xennex81> from operating in this system
[14:57] <xennex81> this development environment
[14:57] <xennex81> will all the constant stress
[14:57] <xennex81> you have to stop moving before you can find another direction, and most are stuck in a movement
[14:57] <xennex81> literally
[14:57] <steve-_-1> I hear you… so If I wanted to try out calligra on osx I have to self compile
[14:58] <steve-_-1> why not offer user ready builds?
[14:58] <xennex81> yeah but it is very buggy
[14:58] <xennex81> calligra is still small...
 seriously, I used Linux in 1996 and in 2000 OpenOffice was already around
 I have not seen it improve
[14:58] <EvilRoey> hear, hear
[14:58] <xennex81> and only geared towards linux at this point
[14:58] <EvilRoey> same with GNOME for me
[14:58] <EvilRoey> I kept hearing about how they plan to improve it in the next release, etc.--nothing, bupkes.
[14:59] <xennex81> yeah but now they are very different also, right?
[14:59] <EvilRoey> so after like 1.5 years with GNOME I found KDE and have been very happy ever since
[14:59] <xennex81> I used Ubuntu GNOME for a while but it is very ....nothing?
[14:59] <EvilRoey> relatively
[14:59] <johngreco> How can I add an Away-Screen?
[14:59] <xennex81> KDE improved a lot since that time
[14:59] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  oh I don't know about GNOME now; I was using GNOME around the 1998 era
[14:59] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  I mean I'm sure that GNOME is fine for most people
[14:59] <xennex81> They changed Gnome to look like Unity
[14:59] <EvilRoey> (not for me though)
[14:59] <EvilRoey> oh
[14:59] <EvilRoey> \meh/
[15:00] <xennex81> like Mac OS a little
[15:00] <xennex81> but very poorly coloured ;-)
[15:00] <xennex81> greys
[15:00] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  what I care about >now< is getting my KDE Plasma 5 desktop to take on the settings from my KDE Plasma 4 one.
[15:00] <xennex81> dark
[15:00] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  ^
[15:00] <EvilRoey> valorie:  ^
[15:00] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  yeah them GNOMEies are all in mourning.
[15:00] <xennex81> hehe
[15:00] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  that dark scheme really turned me off
[15:01] <EvilRoey> I and look what happened to Bonobo
[15:01] <xennex81> yeah but KDE Plasma 5 is still an ongoing project and a lot of work is being done, but it is no where near completion I think
[15:01] <xennex81> at least everyone is trying very hard
[15:01] <EvilRoey> nothing.  It got replaced.  KDE's KParts are still going strong though.
[15:01] <EvilRoey> aye
[15:01] <xennex81> what is Bonobo?
[15:01] <xennex81> was that the search engine?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> hi EvilRoey
[15:01] <steve-_-1> so if I want to prevent the lock screen, how'd I do that? I found http://askubuntu.com/questions/610410/how-do-i-stop-the-screen-from-being-locked-on-resume-on-kubuntu-kde but lock screen on resume does not show
[15:01] <xennex81> not sure what KParts is also
[15:02] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  they moved settings from ~/.kde/share/config/* to ~/.local/* and ~/.config/*.  None of my desktop settings appeared retained I upgraded Kubuntu from 14.10 (Plasma 4) -> 15.04 (Plasma 5)
[15:02] <EvilRoey> heya BluesKaj
[15:02] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  bonobo was GNOME's OLE-alike
[15:02] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  so is KParts.
[15:03] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  it's a component library
[15:03] <xennex81> okay
[15:03] <xennex81> I don't know, I'm on Gnome's mailing list just to see what goes, but I don't really use it anymore nor do I really want to, except to see what goes
[15:03] <EvilRoey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Platform_4#KParts
[15:04] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  watch them dig further into their own hole
[15:04] <EvilRoey> it's also shit like the GNOME Registrar that grinds my gears.
[15:04] <xennex81> right, I like componenents, I used Delphi for a long time
[15:04] <EvilRoey> which is the same idea as the Microsoft Windows Registry
[15:04] <EvilRoey> aye
[15:04] <xennex81> oeh, registry was always a bad idea
[15:04] <xennex81> programs storing configuration inside a central hub
[15:04] <xennex81> not good
[15:05] <xennex81> the model of OS X is really what you want: programs being self contained in their own directory
[15:05] <EvilRoey> hmm.
[15:05] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  I need to investigate this further.
[15:05] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  there is no library hell in Mac OSX?
[15:05] <EvilRoey> *library dependency hell
[15:05] <xennex81> not sure but I doubt it
[15:05] <EvilRoey> ah
[15:05] <xennex81> you can move a program around like that
[15:06] <EvilRoey> well now there is this new "Snappy" idea
[15:06] <EvilRoey> to move from .deb packages to Snappy ones.
[15:06] <xennex81> I even have difficulty compiling Calligra in a variable location, once I compile it, it has to run from that location or it won't find the KDE libraries
[15:07] <EvilRoey> in order to..er..something.  Whatever Shuttleworth says.
[15:07] <EvilRoey> ah
[15:07] <EvilRoey> did you set the appropriate environment variables?
[15:07] <EvilRoey> also it's 2015 why are you compiling?
[15:07] <EvilRoey> unless you develop?
[15:08] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  you know they have nightly build PPAs
[15:08] <xennex81> I wanted to develop and still do
[15:09] <xennex81> I have to get this pc fixed though
[15:09] <xennex81> I am kinda wasting my time in this chat ;-)
[15:09] <xennex81> but it's soothing
[15:09] <xennex81> I had to set the appropriate "run" environment while creating the build files
[15:10] <xennex81> then make install would install into that directory, and it will run only from that directory
[15:10] <xennex81> weirdness
[15:11] <xennex81> Snappy sounds bad
[15:11] <xennex81> the name sounds bad
[15:11] <xennex81> the idea sounds pretty bad also
[15:11] <xennex81> I have heard Mark Shuttleworth is pretty dictatorial ;-)
[15:11] <xennex81> or was that someone else :P
[15:12] <BluesKaj> well, a little bit of power changes some people
[15:13] <EvilRoey> heh
[15:13] <xennex81> Snappy is going to be a nightmare
[15:13] <EvilRoey> change for the sake of change! yeay!!
[15:13] <EvilRoey> what could possibleye go wrong!
[15:13] <EvilRoey> the good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from?
[15:13] <EvilRoey> s/\?/\!
[15:13] <xennex81> hehe :)
[15:13] <xennex81> :)
[15:14] <EvilRoey> and also I would still lik,e to see how it would ensure that if I have a program P that depends on library L, then if I upgrade library L, P will use this new version of L and not the stale L that was packaged in with P (assuming Mac OSX-like program bundles, or if SNappy does that too)
[15:15] <EvilRoey> xennex81:  btw you're 33? I'm 34
[15:17] <xennex81> yeah i'm 33
[15:17] <EvilRoey> cool
[15:17] <xennex81> 34 in august
[15:17] <xennex81> ;-)
[15:17] <EvilRoey> i'll be 35 in August
[15:18] <xennex81> ah nice
[15:18] <EvilRoey> <- 19800804
[15:18] <xennex81> I have to get going I believe
[15:18] <xennex81> sure
[15:18] <EvilRoey> alright.  Such a good conversation!  See you later!
[15:18] <xennex81> Time To Eat Somewhere
[15:18] <xennex81> I'll leave a truecrypt decryption running :P
[15:19] <xennex81> bye, bbl
[15:58] <Voyage>  "unsupported updates and sources" what are those and do I need them?
[15:59] <hyper_ch> paste full line
[16:28] <genii> "unsupported sources" is usually PPAs
[17:33] <xennex81> hiya, just a quick question (and I'm a bit testy)
[17:34] <xennex81> in plasma5 in dolphin the "open terminal here" is gone
[17:34] <xennex81> in 15.04
[17:34] <xennex81> is there a way to get it back? I dearly miss it
[17:36] <xennex81> dolphin could really use some improvement, I feel so weak now
[17:37] <xennex81> and I don't even know how to mount a samba share somewhere
[17:37] <xennex81> which is so easy in Windows
[17:38] <xennex81> "map drive as..."
[17:38] <xennex81> or map folder as drive
[17:39] <xennex81> and WinRAR is such a marvellous tool compared to Ark
[17:40] <xennex81> I just don't know where to begin, or where to end
[17:54] <BluesKaj> xennex81, dolphin still running in plasma 4, hence the problems
[17:55] <BluesKaj> bbl
[17:57] <xennex81> I first lost my access to my windows system (due to truecrypt) and then I lost access to my linux system (due to restoring the truecrypt loader) and then I had access to neither (because Windows wouldn't load) :P
[17:57] <xennex81> :(
[18:44] <Irish_canon> I am a use of Ubuntu for a few years and have seen the virus and malware starting to climb as to attach linux based OS. Cant anyone tell me a scanner that tey use that they trust... using rkhunter at the moment
[18:49] <Etriaph> Irish_canon: I don't use any kind of malware detection on my PC, but all the ports are closed.
[18:49] <Etriaph> Irish_canon: It will always come down to the situation your PC is in.
[18:50] <Irish_canon> thats true, but I amtalking from a bacis system....
[18:50] <Etriaph> Irish_canon: Do you have a router between your PC and the internet?
[18:51] <Irish_canon> yes of course
[18:51] <Etriaph> Irish_canon: Do you forward any ports to your PC?
[18:52] <Irish_canon> A few within the network none outside
[18:53] <Etriaph> OK, in that situation the only way you could end up with any kind of malware or a virus is if you open an SH script that someone mails you or something like that.
[18:53] <Etriaph> I would say you're at very slim to zero risk.
[18:54] <Etriaph> The largest threat any Ubuntu user has is a PPA being compromised.
[18:54] <Etriaph> I'm certain Canonical spends quite a bit of coin to ensure that their network is as impenetrable as possible.
[19:03] <xennex81> heya
[19:03] <xennex81> so I'm installing 15.04 again
[19:03] <xennex81> I hope to install windows later and then restore grub
[19:03] <xennex81> but I'm not sure how to do that ;-)
[19:03] <xennex81> :-/
[19:04] <xennex81> how do you "rescue boot" a linux system?
[19:04] <xennex81> if Grub is gone?
[19:06] <xennex81> is it possible to create a writable disc or usb stick with a rescue? of course you can create an usb stick with grub on it, at least the loader
[19:08] <xennex81> that's not more difficult than "grub-install /dev/sdb" if sdb is the stick
[19:09] <xennex81> i just wish the experience was more solid, more dependable
[19:10] <xennex81> i just wish the experience was more solid...
[19:12] <xennex81> rebooting
[21:01] <mekanik> Is there an equalizer for Alsa sound?
[21:18] <khughes222> Hello, anyone out there currently?
[21:19] <khughes222> Looking for some support with a plasma 5 issue.
[21:34] <Cameron_> Hi team, please help. Running 15.04 and system load with no apps running and a fresh restart seem very high
[21:35] <Cameron_> 25% load and 1.3GB memory
[21:35] <Cameron_> plasma is using 250~ and mysqld is using 110~
[21:36] <Cameron_> shouldn't normal load be around 500-600?
[21:40] <Cameron_> hello?
[21:45] <Cameron_> anyone around today?
[21:49] <valorie> Cameron_: yes, but I have no input
[21:49] <Cameron_> aww shucks lol
[22:11]  * denza252 pokes Cameron_
[22:16] <Etriaph> Cameron_: Are you using a laptop?
[22:19] <Cameron_> etriaph: yes a dell latitude e6410
[22:19] <Cameron_> Denza!!
[22:20] <Etriaph> There is no 6410, 6440 or 6540
[22:20] <Etriaph> Not that I can find anyway
[22:21] <Cameron_> dell latitude e6410
[22:22] <Cameron_> http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-e6410/pd
[22:24] <Etriaph> Turn off desktop effects and you may want to stop akonadi; you won't be able to run kontact under those circumstances though.
[22:24] <Etriaph> akonadi is spawning mysqld
[22:25] <Etriaph> akonadi_baloo I think
[22:25] <Etriaph> akonadiserver spawns it for me
[22:25] <Etriaph> 193 mb of memory
[22:30] <Cameron_> Etriaph: tried your suggestions and this reduced memory load to 1.2gib
[22:30] <Cameron_> still seems very high
[22:30] <Etriaph> Modern systems 8Gb of memory is normal.
[22:31] <Etriaph> For physical available
[22:31] <Cameron_> I agree but would like to optimize 15.04 if possible. Others have reported to me a resting load of 500gib
[22:31] <valorie> Cameron_: any reason in particular?
[22:31] <Cameron_> that seems correct, with my load being abnormal
[22:32] <Etriaph> If someone has 500Gb of RAM in their laptop, I'd like to make them an offer on it
[22:33] <Etriaph> Do you mean Mb?
[22:33] <Cameron_> yes mb sorry lol
[22:33] <Etriaph> Right now my system is at 4.3Gb used, but I'm running Krita
[22:34] <Cameron_> valorie: what is your question?
[22:34] <Cameron_> This laptop is dual boot. resting load on the win7 side is 400-500mb
[22:39] <valorie> Cameron_: why do you want such a low resting load? why is it important?
[22:39] <Etriaph> The laptop probably has 2Gb of RAM in it.
[22:40] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Running inside KDE Plasma 5 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-18-generic, CPU: AMD Turion(tm) X2 Dual-Core Mobile RM-74 at 2200 MHz, RAM: 3455/3785 MB, Storage: 1085/2059 GB, 201 procs, 19.86h up
[22:41] <valorie> my son's former gaming laptop
[22:41] <Etriaph> Those are good specs for a laptop.
[22:41] <valorie> err, no, I bought this one years ago
[22:41] <denza252> Sysinfo for 'lcom': Running inside KDE Plasma 5 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-16-generic, CPU: AMD E2-1800 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics at 1700 MHz, RAM: 3343/3501 MB, Storage: 27/289 GB, 188 procs, 93.42h up
[22:42] <denza252> dat uptime <3
[22:42] <valorie> I seed all the *buntu ISOs, so I leave it on all the time
[22:44] <denza252> so valorie, what's your opinion on snappy?
[22:44] <denza252> wait, lemme take it to -offtopic
[22:44] <Cameron_> where do i get the sysinfo reprot
[22:44] <Cameron_> report
[22:44] <valorie> Cameron_: it is built into Konversation
[22:45] <valorie> you just command: /sysinfo
[22:45] <valorie> not sure about other clients
[22:45] <Cameron_> thx imma noob
[22:47] <Cameron_> Sysinfo for 'cameron-Latitude-E6410': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.2.2 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-18-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 560 @ 2.67GHz at 1333-2667/2667 MHz, RAM: 2512/3816 MB, Storage: 16/88 GB, 218 procs, 1.65h up
[22:56] <valorie> Cameron_: there are a number of nice features in Konvi which I've found by googling around, looking at docs, etc.
[23:03] <valorie> do not PM without permission
[23:04] <Etriaph> Sysinfo for 'eden': Running inside KDE Plasma 5 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-18-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz at 1795-2781/3900 MHz, RAM: 6650/7945 MB, Storage: 465/1047 GB, 293 procs, 5.18h up
[23:04] <Etriaph> Neat.
[23:13] <Finetundra> hello folks, is it possible to adjust audio on a per program bsis. i.e. adjust for chromium or for amarok?
[23:14] <Finetundra> but individually
[23:32] <Aerides> Finetundra: Yes, it should be rather easy to do so in the Mixer. See the "Playback Streams" tab.
[23:34] <Finetundra> Aerides: Mixer?
[23:36] <Aerides> You should be able to open the mixer by clicking on the miniature speaker icon in the taskbar, then on "Mixer" in the global volume window that will appear.
[23:41] <Finetundra> Aerides: is there another way to get to it?
[23:43] <Aerides> Perhaps K Menu-->Application-->Multimedia-->Sound Mixer or just ALT+F2 then "KMix". But if the mixer is already running in the background and is accessible via the taskbar, that probably won't do anything.