[00:07] <ahoneybun> can I get that link to the github page with the Server Docs in RST>
[00:09] <pleia2> ahoneybun: https://github.com/petermatulis/serverguide
[00:10] <ahoneybun> thanks pleia2
[00:10] <pleia2> it's a year old, so lots of bitrot
[00:10] <ahoneybun> pleia2: link back for you https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual
[00:11] <pleia2> ahoneybun: also converting to rst?
[00:11] <ahoneybun> yep
[00:11] <ahoneybun> going to get a talk about my ideas for docs in general
[00:11] <ahoneybun> they align with pmatulis and you
[00:12] <ahoneybun> pleia2: I'm guessing the current guide is on LP?
[00:13] <pleia2> I dunno about me, while I do agree that consistent tooling is valuable, I'm not the one doing the doc work so I can't really speak for the teams using mallard, docbook, etc
[00:13] <ahoneybun> Yea I know
[00:13] <ahoneybun> just getting the ball going (trying anyway)
[00:14] <ahoneybun> I'm a fan of the "if it works" rule but it could always be better for everyone
[00:15]  * pleia2 nods
[00:29] <pleia2> ahoneybun: server guide in launchpad: https://launchpad.net/serverguide
[00:30] <ahoneybun> opps yea he gave a link on the github page that I should have saw, sorry pleia2
[00:30] <ahoneybun> thank you
[00:30]  * ahoneybun should read the README's more
[00:31] <pleia2> aha :)
[00:31] <pleia2> launchpad has experimental git support now, so it may be valuable to bring it back in if git is a preferred tool
[00:32] <pleia2> but I think github was just used as a proof of concept
[00:33] <ahoneybun> yes it was for me anyway
[00:33] <ahoneybun> plus I don't have my keys setup for LP atm
[00:37] <pmatulis> hey ahoneybun
[00:37] <ahoneybun> hey pmatulis
[00:38] <pmatulis> put your ideas down on our next team meeting's agenda if you will be there to speak about them
[00:39] <pmatulis> i need to update it (clear out old stuff), but here it is
[00:39] <pmatulis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
[00:39] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: I do have a slideshow if you would like to look at that
[00:41] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: would it be useful for those attending the meeting to see it? if so, fill in the agenda and send a msg to ubuntu-doc mailing list asking people to look at it before the meeting
[00:42] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: just saying it is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[00:42] <ahoneybun> I'll be using it for a talk at SELF
[00:42] <pmatulis> what is SELF?
[00:43] <ahoneybun> South East Linux Fest
[00:43] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu will have UbuCon
[00:43] <ahoneybun> one day event
[00:43] <ahoneybun> at the conf
[00:43] <ahoneybun> fest
[00:43] <pmatulis> ok
[00:44] <pleia2> ahoneybun: still, please do add it as a discussion item :) presenting it at a conference is not so useful when you haven't formally presented it to the actual teams involved
[00:44] <ahoneybun> should I wait till you clean up that page first?
[00:45] <ahoneybun> the fest is on June 11-13 so we have time
[00:45] <ahoneybun> next meeting is June 1
[00:45] <ahoneybun> 2
[00:48] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: is https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu the official docs for Kubuntu?
[00:48] <ahoneybun> yea
[00:49] <pmatulis> interesting
[00:49] <ahoneybun> it is the same content that is in kubuntu-docs package
[00:52] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: anyway, like i mentioned to you before, i raised in the past the idea of migrating to markdown for the serverguide but there was no help offered. also, the usual reaction is "what good will this bring? is it worth the trouble?" so you might want to think about it
[00:52] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/tutorials/using_bazaar_with_launchpad.html they are using Sphinx lol
[00:53] <ahoneybun> I have some benefits on my slides I can bring over
[00:53] <pmatulis> specifically i was gunning for
[00:53] <pmatulis> https://help.github.com/articles/github-flavored-markdown/
[00:53] <pmatulis> b/c i am involved in other projects using it
[00:54] <pmatulis> would like to hear about why you chose the markdown you did, among all the alternative
[00:54] <pmatulis> s
[00:54] <ahoneybun> it has some really nice addons
[00:54] <ahoneybun> but we would prefer LP no?
[00:54] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: Sphinx support markdown but I just liked RST
[00:55] <pmatulis> ok, i get that :)
[00:55] <pmatulis> how many people are helping with this kubuntu manual?
[00:55] <ahoneybun> tbh I'm the main one
[00:55] <pmatulis> wow ok
[00:55] <ahoneybun> someothers have helped
[00:56] <ahoneybun> but I have np being the only one
[00:56] <ahoneybun> just need others to brainstorm
[00:56] <pleia2> hopefully simplifying the format will help gain contributors
[00:56] <pmatulis> so same problem over here then, lack of people-power
[00:56] <ahoneybun> yes that is main goal for me
[00:56] <ahoneybun> other then having the docs/manual being easy to access and in many formats
[00:57] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: I'm up for helping you if I can
[00:57] <pleia2> formats aren't an issue for ubuntu and xubuntu since the current docs formats support output to lots of things
[00:57]  * ahoneybun tries to upload the manual to LP
[00:57] <ahoneybun> pandoc supports to A LOT
[00:57] <pmatulis> there are people who disagree that the format is a detriment to participation
[00:57] <ahoneybun> Sphinx has a few as well
[00:58] <ahoneybun> having it somewhere easy to find is key I think
[00:58] <ahoneybun> and get
[00:58] <pleia2> pmatulis: indeed, barrier to entry isn't everything, could just be standard lack of volunteers :\
[00:58] <ahoneybun> I do not work on the Ubuntu Manual as I hate the way it is layed out
[00:58] <ahoneybun> also LaTeX makes my head hurt
[00:59] <pleia2> they seem to really love it
[00:59] <ahoneybun> LaTeX?
[00:59] <pleia2> I have conference things to run off to, have a nice evening :)
[00:59] <pleia2> yeah
[01:00] <ahoneybun> it is ugly as sin
[01:00] <ahoneybun> to me anyway
[01:00] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: even if they stick with LaTeX you have shown that pandoc can convert very well
[01:02] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: i think i've given you the context around here. please do be prepared to discuss. and a msg to the m/l will be a good idea telling people about your initiative. the docs project is fairly sleepy and sometimes *everyone* forgets to come to the meeting
[01:03]  * ahoneybun throws a stick at LP
[01:04] <ahoneybun> I'm off for the night
[01:04] <ahoneybun> thanks pmatulis and pleia2
[01:23] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: welcome
[20:55] <evertheylen> Hi guys, I found an error in a page on the wiki I cannot edit.
[20:56] <evertheylen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/lighttpd
[20:56] <evertheylen> ` The root of the web server is at "/var/www/" ` --> should be "/var/www/html"
[21:08]  * ahoneybun looks
[21:11] <ahoneybun> foixed
[21:12] <ahoneybun> *fixed