=== aaron is now known as Guest69666 === aaron is now known as Guest32030 === shuduo_ is now known as shuduo === aaron is now known as Guest90122 === kickinzA|afk is now known as kickinz1 === shuduo is now known as shuduo_afk [09:02] hi elfy and everyone else === kickinz1 is now known as kickinz1|afk === kickinz1|afk is now known as kickinz1 === aaron is now known as Guest25522 === Guest25522 is now known as ahoneybun === aaron is now known as Guest71030 === Kick is now known as Guest72582 === Guest72582 is now known as kickinz1_ === kickinz1_ is now known as kickinz2 === kickinz2 is now known as kickinz1_ [15:00] o/ [15:01] o/ [15:02] hi [15:02] o/ [15:03] hello! [15:03] i guess slangasek is still stuck in his meeting? [15:04] * slangasek waves [15:05] o/ [15:05] #startmeeting [15:05] Meeting started Thu May 21 15:05:24 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:05] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:05] [TOPIC] Lighting round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lighting round [15:05] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru cyphermox) [15:05] cyphermox infinity bdmurray stgraber sil2100 caribou mvo doko barry jodh slangasek robru [15:05] I win! [15:06] * moar grub2 triage [15:06] * discussions with Tony on how to deal with NM>ofono bugs. [15:06] * discussion on versioning for NM with phone overlay [15:06] * debugging NM routing bug; almost done (still has an extra no-metric network route) [15:06] * Monday was a national holiday [15:06] * grub2 cherry-picks (in debian git) [15:06] * Fix handling of --disk-module option (debian 746596, bug 1309735) [15:06] * Fix double-free of LV names for mdraid (bug 1330963) [15:06] Debian bug 746596 in grub2-common "grub-install --disk-module option is referenced in the help, but no longer works" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/746596 [15:06] * debug grub2-signed chaining when multiple bootable media are available (bug 1097570) [15:06] bug 1309735 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "The "--disk-module=MODULE" option of "grub-install" works wrong in Grub 2.02~beta2-9" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309735 [15:06] bug 1330963 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-probe: double free or corruption in some rare cases" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1330963 [15:06] bug 1097570 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "grub2-signed can not find the right device when there are two filesystems containing the file '.disk/info'." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1097570 [15:06] * considering merging tzsetup: [15:06] - looked at it, reviewed server oem setup [15:06] (done) [15:08] no infinity? [15:08] bdmurray: [15:08] modified errors to reduce number of releases shown in legend so we can see more of it [15:08] modified daisy to log more information when encountering a MaximumRetryException [15:08] call regarding assets.ubuntu.com and errors.u.c use of it [15:08] worked with pitti / jibel regarding autopkg tests for utopic being in progress [15:08] worked on launchpad ddeb grabbing in apport [15:08] talked to ci about boottest failures for vivid and proposed-migration [15:08] tested whoopsie on wily live cd [15:08] investigation into python-pip - LP: #1324391 [15:08] Launchpad bug 1324391 in python-pip (Ubuntu Trusty) "pip 1.5.4 import an invalid dependencies " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324391 [15:08] overrode python-pip regressions for phased updater [15:08] ✔ done [15:09] No stgraber? [15:10] ODS I suppose ? [15:10] sorry, around [15:10] o/ [15:10] I've been doing LXD stuff all this time, well, that and sprinting and vacation. [15:10] (done) [15:10] \o/ [15:10] This week more or less: [15:10] - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails [15:10] - Created a list of channels as per the new channel rearrangements [15:10] - Synced the new info to the developer.ubuntu.com channel webpage [15:10] - RTM status meetings and discussions [15:10] - Preparations for OTA-4 [15:10] - Updating various parts of the landing documentation [15:10] - CI Train development: [15:10] * Fixed syncing code to work for the new landing schemas [15:10] * Started poking on possible dual-landing approaches [15:11] - System-image server: [15:11] * Helped Barry with the system-image server .es alias/redirect madness [15:11] * Picked up dropped branch for keep-orphaned [15:11] - Updated landing tracker scripts to stop caring about RTM [15:11] - Work on enabling commitlogs once again - not finished yet [15:11] - Setup William's script to auto-close RTM bugs on overlay uploads [15:11] - Added modifications to the script above to e-mail changes for uploads (like to MLs) [15:11] - Sent out bi-monthly status update to Alan for the EOW podcast [15:11] (done) [15:11] Bugfix: [15:11] - Squid deb proxy startup race condition (Bug: 1456662) [15:11] bug 1456662 in squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu Trusty) "squid-deb-proxy fails to resolve dns entry : needs to be restarted" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1456662 [15:11] * Found tentative solution with mvo's help. Need to talk to maas [15:11] before SRU [15:11] - kdump startup issues with runlevel S [15:11] * CEPH startup seems to be the culprit. Still starts even before [15:11] runlevel is issued [15:12] - makedumpfile kernel support [15:12] * Investigate "unsupported [15:12] kernel" messages [15:12] (done) [15:14] and no mvo, so doko: [15:15] we'll come back to doko [15:15] barry: [15:15] si: LP: #1455119; LP: #1455077; LP: #1454447; si client 3.0 (finally!) landed in wily; convert si client vcs to git [15:15] Launchpad bug 1455119 in Ubuntu system image "'copy-image' resulted in an image embedding the wrong channel name" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1455119 [15:16] Error: Launchpad bug 1455077 could not be found [15:16] Launchpad bug 1454447 in Ubuntu system image "/etc/system-image/config.d created with too restricted permissions" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454447 [15:16] debuntu: python-lockfile sponsorship; debian bug #785242; debian bug #785059; debian bug #785633 (still unresolved); python-cachecontrol 0.11.4-1; distlib packaging converted to git and moved to lp:~pythoneers (w/ 0.2.0-2 uploaded); DPMT git migration script work [15:16] Debian bug 785242 in wnpp "ITP: python-pluggy -- plugin and hook calling mechanism for python" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/785242 [15:16] Debian bug 785059 in wnpp "ITP: python-cachecontrol -- a port of the caching algorithms in httplib2 for use with requests session object" [Wishlist,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/785059 [15:16] Debian bug 785633 in schroot "schroot: union-type has broken" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/785633 [15:16] other: bisect dist-upgrades and discovered wily regression in unity (LP: #1456761) [15:16] Launchpad bug 1456761 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity upgrade prevents full desktop after login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1456761 [15:16] --done-- [15:17] * upstart [15:17] - Testing and process to get the fix for bug 1447756 landed for the [15:17] bug 1447756 in Canonical System Image "segfault in log.c code causes phone reboot loops" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447756 [15:17] next touch OTA. Thanks to sil2100 for all his help! [15:17] * snappy [15:17] - Improving tests for upgrader and selftest. [15:17] * misc [15:17] - Out Monday-Wednesday next week. [15:17] ??? [15:18] is that an end marker? :) [15:18] sorry, locale issues :) [15:19] but yes, an end marker of sorts [15:19] haha, ok [15:19] jodh: move on to ascii art. [15:19] * phone work: [15:19] cyphermox: :D [15:19] * some work reviewing/shepherding bug #1447756 [15:19] * reconfiguring the phone channels per the proposed naming scheme earlier, to coincide with the move to wily [15:20] bug 1447756 in Canonical System Image "segfault in log.c code causes phone reboot loops" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447756 [15:20] * worked with ondra on a cache corruption bug #1455605 when a user downloads images from both public and private system-image servers [15:20] bug 1455605 in goget-ubuntu-touch (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-device-flash should verify signature in cache matches current keyring before flashing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1455605 [15:20] * will be rotating the signing key for system-images today [15:20] * after that, have one more round of channel renames to finish, probably not today [15:20] * off tomorrow and Monday for Memorial Day, back Tuesday [15:20] (done) [15:20] robru: [15:20] CI Train spreadsheet replacement: [15:20] * several iterations of the charm [15:20] - configured for apache2 reverseproxy setup [15:20] - setting up to launch gunicorn effectively [15:20] - fixed a pile of runtime permission issues [15:20] * backported gunicorn3, python3-flask-openid, python3-openid to trusty-cat-ue [15:20] * lp:canonical-mojo-specs [15:20] - tons of fiddly little work enabling and integrating new spreadsheet replacement charm [15:20] * various landings as usual [15:20] (done) [15:20] robru: bileto looking nice so far! [15:20] sil2100: thanks! [15:21] :) [15:21] alright [15:21] so no infinity doko or mvo showing up [15:21] any questions on the above? [15:21] I assume bileto is the name for the new spreadsheet? [15:21] cyphermox: yep [15:22] cool. [15:22] cyphermox: yes, since calling it 'spreadsheet replacement' all the time was really a bit sad ;) [15:22] robru: what's the eta for no-spreadsheet? [15:22] or is that bileto? [15:22] barry: tough to say. there's lots of little fiddly bits to iron out, and some other priorities just popped up. but Soon(TM) [15:22] barry: it's bileto, that's the codename alright [15:23] aha, an mvo! [15:23] mvo: [15:23] did: vacation (yay), snappy work, little bit of apt work [15:23] (done) [15:23] sil2100, robru we will have to pop some e-champagne on that day [15:23] :-) [15:23] barry: hell yes [15:23] sorry guys, conflicting meeting :/ [15:24] e-champagne? how do you put champagne in an e-cigarette? [15:24] slangasek: well, i've heard they have this powered alcohol now [15:24] barry: it gives you quite the buzz [15:25] robru: git gives me all the buzz i need [15:25] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:25] I say that instead of bileto what we really should do is implement our own google spreadsheet, and make our train spreadsheet working on that! [15:25] monday is a usa holiday; i'll be out [15:26] as will I [15:26] sil2100: nah, sharing odf's is easier. [15:26] sil2100: http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/twitchy.gif [15:26] Uh oh! [15:26] oops [15:26] doko: hi [15:26] want to update us? [15:26] robru: is that a screen share? [15:27] live video feed [15:27] barry: yeah I found a way to share google hangouts in irc [15:27] not much, basically openjdk-9 now in the archive, python3.5 in the archive, and still working on gcc-5 [15:27] doko: py3.5 -- \o/ [15:27] doko: any ETA on gcc-5? [15:28] sil2100, as default? [15:28] Yeah [15:28] sil2100, start fixing ftbfs ... [15:28] Since I saw uploads happening recently [15:28] hah, ok, so unknown for now [15:28] ;) [15:28] no, not yet, currently documenting things in https://wiki.debian.org/GCC5 [15:29] but really, every fixed build failure would help [15:30] * slangasek nods [15:30] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=ftbfs-gcc-5;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org [15:30] doko: can you remind us the current list of GCC5 build failures? I was looking for it the other day and the latest that turned up in my search was from February [15:30] doko: ah, maybe it's that :) [15:30] I would volunteer to help, but I don't want to declare myself without being sure to have time [15:31] slangasek, and see the two links at the bottom of the wiki package [15:31] ok [15:31] But I'll try to squeeze some cycles, wouldn't mind some C/C++ once in a while [15:31] and build logs for the ubuntu builds are at http://people.canonical.com/~doko/tmp/test-rebuilds-20150402/ [15:32] ok - anything else today? [15:34] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:34] Meeting ended Thu May 21 15:34:04 2015 UTC. [15:34] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-05-21-15.05.moin.txt [15:34] ok, thanks all! [15:34] o/ [15:34] thanks! [15:34] thanks! [15:34] Thanks :) [15:34] thanks ! [15:34] \o/ [15:35] thanks! === kickinz1_ is now known as kickinz1|afk [17:02] #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Council meeting [17:02] Meeting started Thu May 21 17:02:41 2015 UTC. The chair is mhall119. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:02] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Community Council meeting | Current topic: [17:02] Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [17:02] hello all [17:03] o/ [17:03] #chair czajkowski cprofitt elfy pleia2 [17:03] Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski elfy mhall119 pleia2 [17:03] it seems I remember the meetingology commands [17:03] always useful [17:03] we have nothing on our Agenda wiki for today [17:04] is there anybody around who has a topic they would like to discuss with the Community Council? [17:04] ummm mhall119 [17:04] Forums Council 17:00UTC 21st May / Core Apps/Phone 17:30UTC 21st May [17:04] that's today ;) [17:04] Yeah mhall119! [17:04] elfy: ah, that's down further on the page, sorry I didn't see it [17:04] :D [17:04] * popey rolls mhall119's mouse wheel a bit [17:04] #topic Forums Council check-in === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Community Council meeting | Current topic: Forums Council check-in [17:05] anybody from the Forums Council here today? [17:05] I went and found the hat especially ... [17:05] popey: :-) [17:05] suits you [17:06] only me mhall119 :) [17:07] pretty much all's good [17:07] elfy: how has the forums activity been since the last checkin? [17:07] elfy: any specific events or activities to share? [17:07] pretty much static month by month [17:08] we've just finished trying to get people involved in nominating themselves for mod team [17:08] elfy: how successful was that? [17:08] that's not gone well really, not sure what we're going to do about that [17:08] pretty much the same as everywhere - hard to get people to want to 'leader' up [17:09] what did you do to attract people? [17:09] threads - public and in the area members can see, blog post [17:10] elfy: and in general have the the FC seen an increase in users or is it just static ? [17:10] elfy: how about directly asking people who you think would be a good mod if you can nominate them [17:10] ? [17:10] czajkowski: mostly static - get increases at release time [17:11] mhall119: that is an option open to us still - but we're trying to make it a bit more open [17:11] elfy: ack, but sometimes having a personal invite makes people more willing, we identified that in one of the UOS sessions earlier in the month [17:12] yes - and that's the way the forum has done it for 10 years [17:12] ah, ok, so a public call is something new that's being tried? [17:12] yea [17:12] ok [17:13] elfy: any highlights or praises you'd like to give? [17:13] well - not brand new, we tried a while back - same [17:13] we're thinking on next steps [17:14] we still get people applying for membership via us - that's still working [17:14] elfy: what do you think might be causing people to now want to step up and be a moderator? [17:14] not [17:15] * mhall119 guesses inertia is the most likely cause [17:15] cprofitt: not sure - could be the process, could be them seeing the 'troublesome' ones [17:15] and that mhall119 [17:16] the new supermod group's making transition for people to FC much easier all round [17:16] elfy: is there anything the CC can do to help with recruiting mods, or anything else for the Forums? [17:16] not with Mods no [17:16] as far as anything else - we're pretty good thanks [17:17] rt's are always a bit of an issue - but other than bumping old ones [17:17] things sitting around for 6 months or more get to be annoying [17:17] just finding one ... [17:17] elfy: is there anything outstanding on rt or in general the CC can help with ? [17:18] https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=25642 [17:18] we can try and bump priority on RTs, or at least get some action on old ones [17:18] I opened that last October -seems that all that's required is edit a config file [17:18] we of course don't have that access anymore [17:19] ugh [17:19] mhall119: surely we can get some bump on that RT [17:19] October is a long time ago [17:19] yup, I'll take an action item to do that [17:20] #action mhall119 to request a response to RT#25642 for the Forums Council [17:20] ACTION: mhall119 to request a response to RT#25642 for the Forums Council [17:20] 24227 - April last - mods can't set their own passwords [17:21] generally though - positive [17:21] elfy: as in april just gone ? [17:21] elfy: you said 24228 was solved, is 24227 still open? [17:21] oh - sorry we're in May ... 2015 [17:22] 24228 is nothing to do with us afaik [17:22] #action mhall119 request a response to RT#24227 for Forums Council [17:22] ACTION: mhall119 request a response to RT#24227 for Forums Council [17:22] elfy: ok [17:23] elfy: which is the most urgent? [17:23] 24227 [17:23] ok, I'll push for that one first [17:23] but I think this is tied up with http/https/sso - knotty problem [17:23] elfy: anything else the FC is blocked on or waiting on? [17:24] nope [17:24] anything else the FC would like to discuss during this meeting? [17:24] well - waiting, but I'd not be worrying about recent ones [17:24] nope - I'm good thanks mhall119 [17:24] I can take the hat off now ;) [17:25] elfy: if you get to where you feel you've waited long enough, ask the CC to escelate it [17:25] yep [17:25] you don't need to wait for the next checkin :) [17:25] well no - but they hang around for so long we forget lol [17:26] cprofitt: czajkowski pleia2 anything else to talk to the FC about? [17:26] narp all good [17:27] I am good [17:27] thanks elfy for representing the FC today [17:27] elfy: shout earlir if the FC need help with RTs [17:27] czajkowski: :~) [17:27] seems crazy waiting that long [17:28] hard to know what else they're up to - mostly just a note on the ticket 'soon'orsomething helps [17:28] syrup under space bar apparently ... [17:29] #topic Core Apps checkin === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Community Council meeting | Current topic: Core Apps checkin [17:29] popey: your turn [17:29] o/ [17:29] well if everyone is good - we can move on to popey fidgeting in the corner :) [17:29] Yo, wassup? [17:29] hi popey :) [17:29] I was passing time providing support in #ubuntu :) [17:30] [17:30] oh yes - words [17:30] so - anything awesome you can tell us about Phone :) [17:30] popey: ok, first off then, any notable activity on the core apps? [17:31] * mhall119 asks knowing there is [17:31] lol [17:31] Ok, so we had UOS between last time we spoke and now [17:31] Had a bunch of sessions for core apps [17:31] Lots of discussion and planning done for the coming months. [17:32] However, there's one overriding issue which I want to braindump at you. [17:32] if you don't mind. [17:32] go for it [17:32] Contribution is down, and it's quite hard to get more people involved and I have some theories why. [17:32] 1) Some aspects (such as writing autopilot tests) are not exciting but incredibly dull, and hard to 'sell' [17:33] 2) many people don't have a device. [17:33] 1 we can work on, we can make the tests easier to write [17:33] we can also find those strange people who like writing them [17:33] * popey looks at balloons [17:33] However, 2 is a bit harder. [17:33] yeah, I was a bit disappointed when I found my nexus 7 could not help test [17:33] if they were easy I would [17:33] The knock on effect of people not having a device is that they don't feel empowered to help in many ways [17:33] and they don't feel like they're scratching an itch [17:34] e.g. "Why would I work on the Ubuntu music app on ubuntu phone, when I have an android phone" [17:34] In the past, the desktop was 'easier' to get contributions to, because anyone could install it on any system [17:34] The fact that we need to port to specific devices actually makes it hard to get devices for people [17:34] especially when in some regions (USA) there's limited options (bq and meizu devices don't work well over there on all of their frequencies for example) [17:35] Is this making sense? [17:35] popey: do you forsee that getting easier once we have a usable Unity 8 desktop? [17:35] popey: it is [17:35] popey: yep [17:35] Ok. [17:35] Well, there's a few things that will help. [17:35] more devices being available, and having a better end user experience helps [17:35] as people will be more inclined to use them as their daily driver [17:36] if you use it daily and you notice janky things, you're way more likely to file bugs / patches / translations / documentation [17:36] we have seen this on the ubuntu-phone list [17:36] there's people writing their own documentation, prototyping apps, translating things etc [17:36] all things we used to get lots of contributions for on the desktop [17:36] but at a MUCH smaller scale [17:37] because few people have the devices. and those that do, don't use it daily, so don't see the issues, or don't feel motivated to fix them [17:37] Now, this leads ot a bit of a chicken and egg issue. [17:37] I feel like ubuntu phone is where ubuntu desktop was in ~2005 [17:37] works well for a subset of users, on specific hardware. [17:38] Oh, and another thing! [17:38] many regular contributors to ubuntu are students - people who traditionally have limited desposable income [17:38] so they often (generalising here) make the best of the equipment they have [17:39] popey: it's a daft idea but why not organise some some of phone jam - where you or others bring along hand sets and people play with them and use them and file bugs. New users = new bugs and new users = new ideas on the phone [17:39] people come and get to meet one another [17:39] and are more inclined to fix things because "It's my only PC". whereas everyone (mostly) already has a smartphone - even students with low / no / income [17:39] and you get some community interaction [17:39] Well. [17:39] Good idea to have events. [17:39] I will certainly note that. [17:40] However, right now, bugs we are not short of :) [17:40] we have encouraged people to bring their devices to loco team events [17:40] but that doesn't let others use it as a daily driver [17:40] well it's more about interaction and if you provide the devices then people can get involved [17:40] popey: perhaps for a student meet up you could give away one to the person who files the most bugs, or writes the best test case [17:40] put bounty on it [17:41] hmm. incentivising [17:41] you know how I feel about that :) [17:41] popey: I do :) [17:41] popey: next co working day bring devices and let people play and run the tests on them! [17:41] like I say, bugs we have. contributions we don't [17:42] I know in the past we have used the community donations to send devices to core apps developers, but we haven't expanded it to more general phone users/contributors [17:42] people often say "it doesn't do X or Y" and I already have the bug on my screen for them [17:42] even for core apps devs, we were bending the guidelines for them [17:42] I would love to have a bunch of devices i could take somewhere and get people to contribute [17:42] as many were not (yet) Ubuntu Members [17:43] Going back to the previous question, I do believe that things will get easier as we have snappy desktop in 15.10 [17:43] and converged device coming this year [17:43] right, it won't give a phone use experience, but it will at least make it easier for people to run the apps themselves [17:43] both of those should have an impact and we should make certain to capture those poeple who are interested in contributing [17:43] popey: is there anything we can do to encourage people to use core apps on current desktops? [17:44] popey: mhall119 could a loco team apply for funnds via the fund to buy phones for their team to get more involved? [17:44] yes and no [17:44] Perhaps the perception is you have to be a core dev to get a phone [17:44] so to mhall119, yes, i need to delete all the core apps wiki page and replace it with a pretty page on developer.ubuntu.com :) [17:45] czajkowski: I would think so, yes, but they would need to show that it would be money well spent [17:45] i dont want to buy a bunch of phones to sit in a drawer somewhere [17:45] ^^ that [17:46] we've loaned devices to loco teams for use in events, but the expectation was that it would come back to Canonical afterwards so it can be loaned to someone else [17:46] nods [17:46] popey: got to run here - I'll read up in a bit - thanks :) [17:46] thanks elfy [17:46] I do know some locos are very proactive in QA and might enjoy this [17:46] perhaps they don;t know they could avail of the fund [17:46] maybe one thing they'd have to do is provide a bi weekly report of their work ? [17:47] elfy: thanks [17:47]