[01:01] <LjL> so uhm. i don't know if i should make a last attempt to settle this in a less than either abrupt or protocollar manner
[01:02] <LjL> i will anyway. phunyguy, do you not at all see your actions as possibly an unwarranted attack on me in #u-o?
[01:02] <bazhang> hi LjL
[01:03] <bazhang> missed you buddy
[01:03] <LjL> and IdleOne, do you not at all appreciate how a consistent requiring one party to "behave" and not the same of other, more in-power, parties (or only when pointed out) as provoking?
[01:03] <LjL> bazhang, there are techniques to improve your aim.
[01:08] <phunyguy> LjL: I said the first thing, about grudges, etc, but that was meant as a joke.  I am sorry if you got offended. I really do sincerely wish you were back in the channels as you, and it wasn't a personal attack.
[01:08] <phunyguy> I thought it had been long enough that we could kind of put it behind us.
[01:13] <LjL> phunyguy, i have the logs of what was said in front of me. i made a joke where i said erec was petty (and despite you perhaps having your reasons to think i was also calling you petty, i factually wasn't), and you went, "Look, until you stop hiding behind a nick, keep quiet."
[01:13] <LjL> is that something about grudges that was meant as a joke? do you think it could have been an honest step to bring me back in the channels?
[01:14] <phunyguy> [19:42:34] <A_bee> it's NOT THE PROCEDURE  <--- this was actually first.
[01:14] <phunyguy> If you want to get factual.
[01:14] <LjL> that was ages before it.
[01:15] <LjL> but i see you're wanting to get this... procedural indeed.
[01:15] <phunyguy> [19:50:57] <phunyguy> why isn't the other you here?
[01:15] <phunyguy> [19:51:08] <phunyguy> :<
[01:15] <phunyguy> that was sincere
[01:15] <phunyguy> not me being a turd.
[01:16] <phunyguy> and the "procedural" is all you.  You joined this channel to talk about it... we are talking about it.
[01:16] <LjL> phunyguy: i can accept that. but could we please concentrate on the escalation of things that happened before i nicked back to LjL`? because if you want to go back ages into logs, i can do that too, but it'd just murk waters.
[01:16] <phunyguy> I just want you to not be offended at every thing everyone says.
[01:16] <LjL> okay, should you prefer that we talk about this in another venue or manner?
[01:21] <phunyguy> I think here is fine.  I am sorry for reacting the way I did.  I didn't realize what I said hit you that way.
[01:23] <LjL> phunyguy: do you see the following reading of what happened as roughly accurate? i made a joke involving #ubuntu, you and erec, involving the word "petty", that you interpreted badly (because you already though i think you're petty? i guess) - so since you haven't accepted the fact i usually join #u-o now as the A_bee alter ego, instead of LjL, you told me i should stop speaking unless i could stop "hiding" behind that nickname, in a somewhat resentful
[01:23] <LjL> manner - then i called you "butthurt", and you called me an "asshole", and IdleOne intervened
[01:24] <phunyguy> Oh good grief
[01:25] <phunyguy> You really think what you said wasn't directed at me?  Come on, man.
[01:26] <phunyguy> I interpreted it badly after actually being petty.
[01:26] <phunyguy> go figure.
[01:26] <phunyguy> (petty by your definition anyway)
[01:26] <LjL> uhm, what i said was "you, phunyguy and erec because he's petty like that" - that was referring to people in #ubuntu changing their nickname in a spammy manner.
[01:27] <phunyguy> yep, still see it as directed at me.
[01:27] <LjL> that seems to be your problem.
[01:27] <phunyguy> or maybe I am too stupid to follow.
[01:28] <phunyguy> considering I mentioned the nickname spam.,
[01:28] <LjL> the "you" was also another person (SonikkuAmerica), and yet the "petty" didn't seem to refer to him, did it
[01:29] <LjL> English is pretty unequivocal about this - you can use pronouns like "they", or "you all"
[01:29] <LjL> "he" refers to one person, in that specific case, erec.
[01:29] <phunyguy> yep.  I am too stupid.
[01:29] <phunyguy> UH DURR I AM PHUNYGUY AND I CAN'T ENGLISH.
[01:29]  * phunyguy wanders off.
[01:29] <LjL> this doesn't seem constructuve.
[01:30] <LjL> !appeal
[01:30] <LjL> I will be sending the IRC Council a note about what happened, with attached logs. If any IRC Council member, or other ops, are willing to chime in with opinions now, i will be around for some more minutes to listen.
[01:31] <LjL> I also should point out that since IdleOne doesn't seem to be around now, I haven't discussed his intervention after the incident with phunyguy, but I will also discuss that later with the IRC Council because I'm unhappy with how that was handled.
[03:33] <IdleOne> For the record. I asked A_bee to please stop first because the first thing I saw was him calling phunyguy names. I didn't have a chance to ask phunyguy before A_bee pointed out that I had not. Second of all, I have no problem kicking or even banning a fellow op if it is needed and phunyguy is aware of that. I asked them both to stop or I would kick them both.
[03:33] <IdleOne> from what I can see in my scroll back it did stop.
[03:34] <IdleOne> although my client bugs out sometimes and I lose bits and bites
[16:49] <bazhang> @random manjaro HURD
[16:49] <bazhang> ok then
[16:50] <bazhang> manjaro spammer hitting #ubuntu
[16:50] <bazhang> the nerve
[16:50] <chu> <3 HURD
[16:50] <bazhang> you got emacs in my HURD
[16:50] <chu> :D
[16:50] <bazhang> two great tastes!
[16:50] <k1l> it hurds so much
[16:51] <bazhang> ouch!
[16:51] <bazhang> reeses cups reference above
[16:51] <chu> lol
[17:50] <bazhang> down 2pts!