[04:46] <mazal> Morning everyone , this is interesting : http://www.webupd8.org/2015/05/how-to-hide-files-and-folders-in-your.html 
[04:46] <mazal> I never knew that trick
[04:51] <barrydk> More almal
[05:21] <Kilos> hi barrydk  and everyone else
[05:28] <Kilos> inetpro  it works ty
[05:28] <Kilos> oh and morning
[05:50] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[06:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> moo
[06:04] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:29] <pieter2627> morning all
[08:04] <Kilos> ai!
[08:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:20] <stickyboy> Raise your hand if you have a mug of hot coffee.
[09:20] <stickyboy> o/
[09:21] <Kilos> aw
[09:21] <Kilos> mine only warm
[09:24] <stickyboy> Aw
[09:26] <Kilos> uh oh mazal broke something
[09:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[09:29] <Squirm> Good day
[09:30]  * Squirm eyes ThatGraemeGuy
[09:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[09:32] <Squirm> Load Shedding at 12 :/
[09:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> we had ours early today
[09:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> at work
[09:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> 16:00 at home :-/
[09:34] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: what do you think of puppet?
[09:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> we use it
[09:34] <Squirm> I know
[09:34] <Squirm> That's why I ask :)
[09:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a steep learning curve
[09:34] <stickyboy> Man, crypto is tough.
[09:35] <stickyboy> Squirm: I use ansible... because it goes over SSH and doesn't need daemons.
[09:35] <Squirm> stickyboy: we use it to
[09:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't know enough about config management in general to debate the pros and cons of any of them
[09:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> it was here when i joined, its still here
[09:35] <Squirm> Just curious as to how you find it
[09:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> i find it necessary as soon as you're managing more than 5 servers
[09:36] <Squirm> stickyboy: ansible is great
[09:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> but again, its config management that's necessary, not specifically puppet
[09:36] <Squirm> Yeah
[09:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> i guess i don't really know how to answer your question
[09:37] <Squirm> Ok
[09:37] <Squirm> Don't worry then :P
[09:37] <Squirm> I think I need coffee
[09:38] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[09:38]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:39] <stickyboy> Squirm: We just put our infrastructure scripts on GitHub last week: https://github.com/ilri/rmg-ansible-public
[09:40] <stickyboy> ThatGraemeGuy: config management makes me so happy.
[09:40] <Squirm> stickyboy: cool. We have a private bitcucket repo
[09:40] <stickyboy> Squirm: :P
[09:40] <stickyboy> Ours is divided into public and private.
[09:40] <stickyboy> We inherit from the private one.
[09:40] <stickyboy> Open by default, yo.
[09:40] <stickyboy> Something to strive for. ;)
[09:40] <Squirm> I want to put them on github
[09:41] <Squirm> We have a secrets direcotry, where we use ansible-vault to encrypt everything inside
[09:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[09:42] <Squirm> Wooo
[09:42] <Squirm> Crap - I need coffee now
[09:42] <Squirm> 20min till load shedding
[09:45] <stickyboy> Squirm: ansible-vault can encrypt directories? :D
[09:45] <stickyboy> Who knew!
[09:46] <stickyboy> The ansible scripts for my personal blog are 100% on GitHub (including SSL private keys): http://github.com/alanorth/ansible-personal
[09:46] <stickyboy> I use ansible-vault there for the host_vars.
[09:46] <stickyboy> I dislike ansible-vault because it breaks grep. :P
[10:02] <Squirm> stickyboy: not really
[10:02] <Squirm> Used find
[10:05] <Squirm> and power's out
[10:05] <Squirm> me
[10:05] <Squirm> meh
[10:05] <Squirm> We stay up
[10:06] <Squirm> The office is dark
[10:06] <Squirm> bbl
[10:06] <Kilos> sigh
[10:42]  * Padroni waves
[10:43] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[10:43] <Padroni> hi
[10:43] <Padroni> how are you
[10:43] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[10:44] <Squirm> So, we use foreman to generate upstart scipts. When we do a foreman start, in the application directory, the app starts perfectly. When we do a sudo start <app_name>, upstart forks the process many times and uses all available RAM
[10:44] <Squirm> But why!
[10:52] <stickyboy> Squirm: Blame Canada.
[10:52] <stickyboy> Squirm: encrypted files breaks the ability to grep to find where you've set things.
[10:53] <stickyboy> That's what I meant earlier.
[10:55] <Squirm> Oh
[10:55] <Squirm> yeah
[10:55] <Squirm> but then you just know where things are :)
[11:12] <stickyboy> Squirm: I got 40 servers. :)
[11:13] <stickyboy> I need to grep to see where I set something heeheh, like which hosts override apt_mirror, or whatever.
[11:47] <Padroni> any good php coders here?
[11:47] <Padroni> I gots me a question...
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
[11:48] <Padroni> in that case, I got a few questions...
[11:49] <Kilos> hehe
[11:49] <mazal> Ok , I want one of two things
[11:49] <Padroni> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[11:49] <mazal> Either 6 beers , or a big hammer
[11:49]  * Padroni does not share beer
[11:50] <Kilos> Tinuva  you the php guy arent you?
[11:50] <mazal> K , hand the hammer then :P
[11:55] <Tinuva> i know some php
[11:55] <Tinuva> not a guru
[11:55] <Kilos> Padroni  ask him
[11:57] <Kilos> when you have a problem just state the problem clearly and hope for the best someone sees it and knows the answer
[11:57] <Padroni> Tinuva: check your pvt
[12:05] <MaNI> pvt, you're doing IRC wrong, if its long just pastebin it and then ask your question where everyone can see it, those best able to help will help when they can :p
[12:09] <Padroni> You asume I will actually go and paste code instead of using pastebin....
[12:09] <Padroni> shame on you, sir.
[13:36] <Kilosbento> hmm... power again, now new modem doesnt want to connect
[13:37] <Kilosbento> wbb
[14:03] <Kilos> sigh
[14:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:10] <Squirm> Home time
[15:12] <Kilos> later Squirm  
[16:06] <Squirm> Meh
[16:06] <Squirm> Load Shedding at home now
[16:07] <Kilos> ai!
[16:18] <MaNI2> fun
[16:21] <Kilos> and more than 4 more years of it
[16:24] <MaNI2> I imagine most of us will have installed systems to work around it within two years
[17:30] <inetpro> good evening
[17:30] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[17:30] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[17:30] <inetpro> what did I miss?
[17:31] <Kilos> power offs thats about it
[17:31] <Kilos> oh i needed your find capabiliies 
[17:32] <inetpro> for?
[17:33] <Kilos> that command the fly gave to put in a site please
[17:33] <inetpro> oi
[17:33] <inetpro> Kilos: it's just a link
[17:34] <inetpro> HTML without links is almost useless
[17:34] <inetpro> so it is just a very normal link to your site
[17:35] <Kilos> i want to put the whole thing in my google site
[17:35] <inetpro> only difference is that you add the title attribute so the search engines will know what to put as the title
[17:36] <Kilos> oh
[17:36] <Kilos> i can never find the correct logs
[17:37] <inetpro> Kilos: <a href="http://ubuntu-africa.info/" title="Ubuntu Africa">Ubuntu Africa</a>
[17:37] <Kilos> ty my pro
[17:38] <inetpro> in the browser you will just see Ubuntu Africa
[17:38] <inetpro> a = anchor 
[17:39] <Kilos> cool, i have that google site someone made for me, i want to make it work
[17:41] <Kilos> https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/ that ok?
[17:42] <inetpro> href = Document base URL
[17:43] <Kilos> did i do it wrong?
[17:43] <inetpro> obviously
[17:44] <Kilos> uh oh
[17:45] <inetpro> in the browser you should see Ubuntu Africa and it should be clickable
[17:46] <inetpro> Kilos: you must edit in code view
[17:46] <Kilos> ai! whats that
[17:46]  * inetpro has no idea how you do that with a google site
[17:47] <inetpro> maybe there is even a widget for it
[17:47] <inetpro> RTFS
[17:47] <Kilos> ai!
[17:47] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[17:48] <Kilos> either him or/and wesley made the site
[17:48] <inetpro> nee man... just do it!
[17:49] <Kilos> i have no idea what you are talking about inetpro  
[17:49] <inetpro> show us a screenshot where you edited that ^
[17:49] <Kilos> pling pling pling all the time and boem boem from pidgin
[17:49] <Kilos> meeting place very busy and im not even following
[17:51] <Kilos> oh do you mean it must show as a clickable link
[17:51] <Kilos> ?
[17:57] <inetpro> ai!
[17:59] <Kilos> if i just add spaces either side of the link it should show
[18:00] <superfly> inetpro: http://libreboard.com/
[18:00] <inetpro> superfly: hi
[18:00] <inetpro> have you moved to it?
[18:01] <superfly> not yet, about to install it
[18:01] <inetpro> does it have an android app?
[18:03] <inetpro> superfly: when you say about to install you mean as in on your own infrastructure?
[18:08] <superfly> yes, on my own infrastructure
[18:08] <superfly> inetpro: I don't know if it has an Android app. Probably not. BUT it wasn't unusable when I tried it out
[18:08] <inetpro> hmm... you know anyone using it?
[18:10] <superfly> Not specifically. I saw it on Google+
[18:11] <superfly> inetpro: they use it themselves ;-) http://libreboard.com/boards/MeSsFJaSqeuo9M6bs/libreboard-roadmap
[18:11] <inetpro> the basics look very very similar, but keyboard shortcuts and mouse navigation seem different
[18:12] <inetpro> no checklists
[18:12] <inetpro> no due dates
[18:15] <superfly> http://libreboard.com/boards/MeSsFJaSqeuo9M6bs/libreboard-roadmap/8WRaDfPynA8K5pGys
[18:16] <inetpro> seems slow to me as well, but that could be due to multiple factors
[18:20] <inetpro> superfly: let me know when you've installed on your side, I'll join in to test
[18:21] <superfly> inetpro: not going to install it just yet, I'm going to watch and wait for them to finish up checklists first
[18:21] <inetpro> ah... ok
[18:21]  * inetpro also thought to give them a chance to improve a bit
[18:22] <inetpro> trello works perfectly for me, at least for now
[18:23] <inetpro> import and export between trello and libreboard will also be nice
[18:23] <inetpro> when done
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: you coming right?
[18:25] <inetpro> so who's here for the chairman discussion?
[18:25] <superfly> inetpro: I also found this: https://pintask.me/
[18:26] <inetpro> superfly: are you tired of trello? :-)
[18:27] <superfly> no, I just prefer an open source solution
[18:27] <superfly> just came across pintask while looking at libreboard
[18:27] <inetpro> ahh, Nested lists looks like a nice feature
[18:27] <Kilos> i found a think in the format button that says code but i dont see a change inetpro  
[18:28] <Kilos> s/think/thing
[18:29] <Kilos> inetpro  https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/
[18:29] <inetpro> ai!
[18:29] <Kilos> oh my
[18:30] <Kilos> something changed
[18:30] <inetpro> superfly: the first impression of that looks good
[18:30] <inetpro> but I'll stick with trello at least for a bit
[18:31] <Kilos> isnt there a last merge to do inetpro  superfly  ?
[18:31] <Kilos> the spelling thing
[18:32] <Kilos> or have i missed something again
[18:32] <inetpro> am just busy getting a few users at the office used to this thing and can't jump around between different systems all the time 
[18:34] <melodie> hi all
[18:35] <Kilos> hi melodie  
[18:36] <melodie> inetpro which one is best? Libreboard, or Kanboard?
[18:37] <melodie> http://kanboard.net/  vs http://git.libreboard.com/libreboard/libreboard/ ?
[18:37] <inetpro> melodie: I have no idea
[18:37] <inetpro> melodie: which one do you use?
[18:39] <inetpro> actually I think I could live with kanboard
[18:39] <inetpro> looks very nice and basic to me
[18:40] <inetpro> but the others are visually more attractive
[18:41] <melodie> inetpro I use a wordpress plugin for now but I would consider moving to something more elaborate
[18:41] <melodie> but not Trello
[18:41] <melodie> and as it's not in a hurry I am interested about other's experience with open source kan boards?
[18:42] <inetpro> I really haven't tried any of them for real projects
[18:43] <melodie> inetpro if you do, I'll be interested in your feedback
[18:48] <gremble> Good evening
[18:48] <inetpro> melodie: I made a note of that 
[18:48] <inetpro> gremble: hi and wb
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: so, what do we say about the meeting
[18:49] <Kilos> i havent read
[18:49] <Kilos> oh you mean the 20.00?
[18:49] <inetpro> anyone else interested in doing the chairing next week Tuesday?
[18:49] <Kilos> we can do it, 
[18:49] <inetpro> or shall we decide tomorrow?
[18:50] <Kilos> oh that
[18:51] <melodie> inetpro thanks!
[18:52] <inetpro> superfly: I actually enjoy the calendar feature on Trello as well 
[18:53] <inetpro> part of the power-ups
[18:55] <melodie> power-ups ? 
[18:55] <melodie> something you pay for? or what?
[18:57] <Kilos> inetpro  https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/
[18:58] <inetpro> melodie: I'm not sure what happens when my Trello Gold status runs out, whether those features will fall away
[18:58] <gremble> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/africas-worst-new-internet-censorship-law-could-be-coming-south-africa
[18:59] <inetpro> for every person you get to join Trello, we'll give you a free month of Trello Gold, up to 12 months
[18:59] <kulelu88> they probably do
[18:59]  * Kilos waits
[19:00] <Kilos> gremble  kulelu88  https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/
[19:00] <Kilos> that link works hey
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: no just change to the correct text 
[19:01] <melodie> inetpro you can ask the Trello team about that
[19:01] <inetpro> now*
[19:01] <inetpro> melodie: not serious
[19:01] <inetpro> if it's gone, it give me more reason to switch to something else
[19:01] <melodie> what is not serious ?
[19:02] <melodie> you should switch to something else
[19:02] <melodie> but Trello is nice to try
[19:02] <kulelu88> ehh don't be linking me to the source of evil aka google
[19:02] <inetpro> sorry kulelu88
[19:03] <kulelu88> gremble: it's to stop you young guys and your pornhub 
[19:03] <kulelu88> I'm kidding inetpro :P
[19:03] <Kilos> trello works well
[19:03] <Kilos> inetpro   dont understand
[19:03] <gremble> That is indeed a website Kilos 
[19:03] <inetpro> lol
[19:04] <gremble> I've refreshed a few times.. no change
[19:04] <Kilos> oh my
[19:04] <gremble> I don't know what I'm looking at
[19:04] <Kilos> the background is supposed to change
[19:04] <Kilos> what do you see
[19:05] <gremble> White with an incorrectly enclosed anchor tag to take me to the ubuntu-za site
[19:05] <Kilos> oh my now you broke it inetpro  
[19:05] <gremble> ubuntu-africa.info site
[19:05] <gremble> sorry
[19:06] <Kilos> i mean once you tick the link it must go to the site then refresh must change background
[19:06] <kulelu88> it's not broken. it's possibly cached
[19:06] <Kilos> it doesnt work so it is broken
[19:06] <gremble> Fuck ton of JavaScript for such a tiny site
[19:06] <gremble> haha
[19:06] <kulelu88> Kilos was using angular and ember for a redirect :D
[19:07] <Kilos> google broke it
[19:07]  * Kilos cries
[19:07] <inetpro> obviously inetpro had everything to do with it
[19:07] <Kilos> yes yes
[19:08] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:08] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[19:08] <gremble> Speaking of inetpro, I'm going to go make tea and think of a cartoon for the newspaper
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:08] <Kilos> mr fixit broke it
[19:09] <kulelu88> you work for Die Perdeby???? :D
[19:09] <Kilos> inetpro  dont sit there smirking. can i delete that code and just put the link there and will the command still work
[19:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:10] <Kilos> lemme try again
[19:10] <kulelu88> Kilos: show us the code: pastee.org
[19:11] <Kilos> that one command?
[19:11] <Kilos> don you see it
[19:11] <kulelu88> show us the code Kilos 
[19:12] <Kilos> <a href="http://ubuntu-africa.info/" title="Ubuntu Africa">Ubuntu Africa</a>
[19:12] <kulelu88> there's no other code?
[19:13] <Kilos> no thats all then i used the edit function to create a link
[19:13] <kulelu88> you already created the link right there
[19:13] <Kilos> from here https://support.google.com/sites/answer/153196?hl=en
[19:13] <Kilos> it didnt light up
[19:14] <kulelu88> it should be purple now if you've already clicked on it
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: do you see the thing that says <HTML> at the end?
[19:14] <inetpro> click it
[19:15] <Kilos> oh that code
[19:15] <inetpro> ai!
[19:16] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/55haj
[19:16] <Kilos> not much
[19:16] <inetpro> that is not all of it
[19:17] <kulelu88> I don't understand what you guys are struggling with
[19:17] <inetpro> kulelu88: don't worry, me neither
[19:17] <Kilos> thats all that shows when i tick html
[19:17] <gremble> kulelu88: It's just Perdeby but yes
[19:17] <Kilos> oh my
[19:18] <kulelu88> gremble: I need to get a copy and stalk your photo there
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: put the code in there and save and see what it does
[19:18] <gremble> I'm a copy editor/cartoonist. You wouldn't see my picture in it
[19:18] <gremble> :P
[19:19] <Kilos> put the code in where
[19:19] <Kilos> ai!
[19:19] <Kilos> you mean there where that long command is?
[19:20] <gremble> Are you guys teaching Kilos to write HTML, remotely?
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: the help page you gave us a link to says, "Remove formatting and edit HTML"
[19:20] <Kilos> nono he is telling me how to get that command to do its job
[19:20] <inetpro> "You can remove the formatting from any part of your page by highlighting the relevant text and clicking this icon."
[19:20] <inetpro> "Click the HTML button to edit the HTML on your site. Please keep in mind that we do limit the amount of editing that can be done. Some advanced coding won't work."
[19:20] <inetpro> what is so difficult to understand from that?
[19:21] <inetpro> what superfly gave you is not just any junk piece of text, and is not a command, it is HTML code
[19:28] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/rswyp
[19:28] <inetpro> fix it
[19:28] <Kilos> oh must i remove the refresh bit
[19:28] <inetpro> superfly: help!
[19:28] <inetpro> where's that grease can of yours?
[19:28] <Kilos> ai!
[19:28] <kulelu88> are you guys trying to make the link into just words and not the actual link?
[19:28] <inetpro> kulelu88: you guys?
[19:28] <kulelu88> I mean Kilos 
[19:28] <Kilos> wait a bit and let me try something
[19:28] <kulelu88> Kilos: try learning on codecademy.com
[19:28] <superfly> Kilos: http://htmldog.com/
[19:28] <inetpro> I'm sure he will get it right with just a little bit of thinking
[19:28] <gremble> htmldog.com is one of the best introductory references to html and css that I have come across
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: just try again, before you jump to something else
[19:29]  * inetpro likes the suggestions
[19:29] <inetpro> just go to the HTML code where you remove the refresh text and press ENTER and ENTER and paste the code exactly like superfly gave it and save
[19:30] <inetpro> don't worry about anything else
[19:30] <inetpro> removed*
[19:30] <gremble> Does the site.google thing use some of that newfangled magic to WYSIWYG edit the page?
[19:30] <inetpro> gremble: exactly
[19:30]  * gremble shudders
[19:31] <Kilos> something changed now, can i just remove the code line
[19:31] <Kilos> https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: just go to the HTML code where you removed the refresh text and press ENTER and ENTER and paste the code exactly like superfly gave it and save
[19:32] <gremble> That didn't fix it
[19:32] <Kilos> but now above it shows Ubuntu africa and it lights up
[19:32] <inetpro> gremble: I don't think he read that just yet
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh... nou praat ons
[19:33] <Kilos> so can i just remove the code now
[19:33] <inetpro> now he just needs to find the right place to edit things
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:33] <Kilos> julle maak my mal
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: it's all yours, you can edit everything there
[19:34] <gremble> Now we just have to teach him how to set up an apache config file and he is ready to become a UX Architect
[19:34] <Kilos> man what i mean is can i remove the code and the link will still work
[19:34] <inetpro> try it and see what it does
[19:34] <gremble> Kilos: Try it and see what breaks. 
[19:34] <Kilos> snap
[19:34] <Kilos> you two are in cohoots
[19:34] <inetpro> :-)
[19:34] <Kilos> cahoots
[19:35] <gremble> We've self-learnt programming at some time or another
[19:35] <gremble> :P
[19:36] <Mopkop> Good evening friends!
[19:36] <kulelu88> how does an Apache config file may you good at user experience? O.o
[19:36] <gremble> Learning to program is a lot more fun than learning to fix your car. You can break things while learning and not worry about any consequences
[19:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:36] <Kilos> i Mopkop  
[19:36] <inetpro> Kilos: giving up is the only sure way to fail
[19:36] <gremble> kulelu88: Nothing.
[19:36] <Mopkop> gremble: I like your style!
[19:36] <inetpro> wb Mopkop
[19:37] <gremble> Haha
[19:37] <Mopkop> Did I miss the meeting? We had loadshedding.
[19:37] <Kilos> easier to fix cars trucks tractors and forklift trucks
[19:37] <gremble> Kilos: only after you've done it for a couple of years
[19:37] <superfly> Mopkop: meeting is next week tuesday
[19:38] <Mopkop> superfly: Oh, I thought there was one tonight. Did we get a chairperson yet?
[19:38] <Kilos> https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/
[19:39] <superfly> Mopkop: no
[19:39] <inetpro> Mopkop: nobody interested just yet, I guess that means I do the chairing
[19:39] <inetpro> unless you want to try
[19:39] <Kilos> oh gremble  i remembered, this is all to save doing the SEO thing
[19:40] <gremble> What does search engine optimisation have to do with it?
[19:40] <Kilos> well you couldnt find it by googling ubuntu africa
[19:40] <Kilos> yahoo cant find it at all
[19:40] <gremble> You're not. Ubuntu is one of the key elements of african philosophy
[19:41] <gremble> So googling ubuntu africa is going to give you links of that nature
[19:41] <Kilos> yes but i wanted this one to show in the list
[19:41] <Kilos> it didnt before
[19:42] <gremble> Don't think it'll get there without more citations. At least ubuntu-za.org is second if you search "ubuntu africa linux"
[19:42] <Kilos> now the link is in a google sit
[19:42] <superfly> A better phrase would probably be "Ubuntu Linux Africa"
[19:42] <Kilos> e
[19:42] <kulelu88> in theory it's a key philosophy. then xenophobia starts
[19:42] <Mopkop> inetpro: Oh no, I do not feel comfortable yet. I've only attended one meeting. But I'm sure everyone want you to chair it anyway.
[19:42] <kulelu88> +1 superfly 
[19:42] <Kilos> ok ill try do that
[19:43] <inetpro> kulelu88: superfly is not available unfortunately
[19:43] <gremble> superfly: that is actually worse :P
[19:43] <gremble> well, if I search it
[19:43] <kulelu88> inetpro: wrong reference
[19:44] <inetpro> hmm... again :-)
[19:44] <Mopkop> lol
[19:45] <kulelu88> Somebody needs to proof-read the EFFs documents, "South Africa is one of Africa's largest and fastest growing economies," is a lie 
[19:45] <kulelu88> it is large, but not fastest growing
[19:47] <Kilos> https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/
[19:47]  * Kilos waits
[19:48] <melodie> ha ha !
[19:48] <melodie> what are you going to write there? :)
[19:48] <Kilos> they make me old melodie  
[19:48] <melodie> how is that? 
[19:48] <Kilos> just click Ubuntu Linux Africa
[19:49] <melodie> hi kulelu88 : which country in Africa is the fastest growing economically?
[19:49] <gremble> Nigeria
[19:49]  * Kilos still waiting
[19:49] <melodie> gremble ?
[19:49] <kulelu88> wrong gremble 
[19:49] <gremble> Oh?
[19:50] <melodie> Kilos what are you waiting? the pic is beautiful
[19:50] <inetpro> Kilos: you waiting to grow older?
[19:50] <superfly> Nigeria is the largest
[19:50] <kulelu88> It's the smaller economies that start from bases of nothing. Angola is growing at like 8-10%
[19:50] <superfly> I don't know which is the fastest growing
[19:50] <Kilos> does it change when you refresh
[19:50] <melodie> Kilos everything works, it seems
[19:50] <Kilos> wooo
[19:50] <kulelu88> World Bank data should have the accurate estimate
[19:51] <Kilos> ty melodie  
[19:51] <melodie> Kilos yes, the image changes
[19:51] <melodie> you need to refresh with Shift+F5
[19:51] <gremble> Oh Nigeria has the largest GDP. I stand corrected. Neat
[19:51] <melodie> so you force the browser to refresh it's cache
[19:51] <Kilos> ah
[19:51] <melodie> gremble GDP ?
[19:52] <kulelu88> Gross Domestic Product
[19:52] <melodie> x y product ?
[19:52] <melodie> oh !
[19:52] <Kilos> if you tick the rload button it changes for me
[19:52] <Kilos> reload
[19:53] <Kilos> so now google should find it
[19:53] <melodie> what is the "Gross Domestic Product" referring to? Over here they use "PIB" which is "inside brut product" (which is as meaningless to me btw)
[19:53] <Kilos> now to teach yahoo and bing
[19:53] <kulelu88> It is how much value the economy produces 
[19:53] <Kilos> what the country produces
[19:54] <Kilos> inetpro  are you happy with that now??
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, I had a problem with it?
[19:55] <Kilos> well duh!
[19:55] <Kilos> not the site man the link from my site
[19:56] <melodie> kulelu88 what is the value supposed to be: exported goods, sum (plus or minus) between exports and imports, or what the people in the country generate as income? 
[19:57] <melodie> what is it and what should be really considered, for the sake/well-being of the people?
[19:57] <kulelu88> shit, I can't recall
[19:57] <kulelu88> GDP is just a reflection of production/value, not of equality 
[19:57] <Kilos> i think its what we produce for export purposes
[19:58] <Kilos> or else every thing we propuce
[19:58] <kulelu88> http://www.investorwords.com/2153/GDP.html
[19:58] <Kilos> gold platinum veggies and fruit etc
[19:58] <kulelu88> total value of final goods and services
[20:00] <melodie> humm
[20:03] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: adding the link to your site will be like adding a grain of sand to sandcastle
[20:04] <inetpro> it will take a bit more to alter search results than that
[20:04] <inetpro> to a sandcastle*
[20:04] <Kilos> yes inetpro   so maybe i must still do the SEO thing
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: I wouldn't worry too much about it
[20:05] <Kilos> and then google it from  3 browsers every day
[20:05] <inetpro> won't help
[20:05] <Kilos> you dont have time to worry
[20:05] <Kilos> sigh
[20:05] <inetpro> remember, your results are not the same as other's results
[20:06] <inetpro> google knows you
[20:06] <Kilos> and post the link on twit place and facebook
 and then google it from  3 browsers every day || + 1 for inetpro 
[20:06] <melodie> well, Kilos you can do it, but just remove all your cookies 
[20:06] <melodie> XD
[20:06] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: google may even know you better than you know yourself
[20:06] <Kilos> ya most likely
[20:06] <melodie> and change your mac adress with macchanger
[20:06] <melodie> and also your ip 
[20:07] <Kilos> oo much work
[20:07] <Kilos> too
[20:07] <melodie> of course
[20:07] <melodie> you want to know what Google loves : I tell you
[20:08] <Kilos> tell
[20:08] <melodie> I know what Google loves and how they put your words in their search engines
[20:08] <melodie> figure out: they sell adds. then for the final target, the add must be on the pages that they are looking for
[20:08] <Kilos> then just tell them to prioritize ubuntu linux africa
[20:08] <melodie> so what do you need to do for that to happen? just write interesting content !
[20:09] <melodie> and do that as often as possible
[20:09] <Kilos> eish
[20:09] <Kilos> you want me to work more
[20:09] <melodie> so with your website, you also need a blog
[20:09] <melodie> no, to work intelligently
[20:09] <melodie> which you do!
[20:09] <Kilos> nono i use the guys intelligence
[20:09] <melodie> but for seo you need to write articles and post content
[20:09] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:10] <melodie> inetpro good night 
[20:10] <Mopkop> inetpro: Lekker slaap!
[20:10] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[20:10] <melodie> Kilos well maybe a planet attached to the website could help?
[20:10] <Kilos> what kind of planet?
[20:10] <melodie> then all the people joining ubuntu africa would have their content seen there
[20:10] <melodie> I show you
[20:12] <melodie> hard to find a working one in English right now
[20:12] <melodie> hold on, I keep seeking for one
[20:12] <Kilos> ok
[20:13] <melodie> got one!
[20:13] <melodie> http://linuxmint.com/planet/index2.php
[20:13] <melodie> I miss the word in English
[20:13] <melodie> people have the link to their blog added there
[20:13] <melodie> and when they post, it appears on the planet
[20:14] <Kilos> oh
[20:14] <melodie> some provide the full article, some an extract... 
[20:14] <melodie> best would be full articles
[20:14] <Kilos> oh like planet.ubuntu.com
[20:15] <melodie> http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[20:15] <melodie> yes !
[20:15] <Kilos> ill look into that tomorrow
[20:15] <melodie> :)
[20:15] <Kilos> very tired now
[20:15] <melodie> let me know then
[20:15] <melodie> sure, it's late
[20:15] <Kilos> ty for the help lady
[20:16] <Kilos> im here all day when we got power