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pittiGood morning04:29
didrocksgood morning05:45
thumpero/ didrocks and pitti05:52
* thumper is finishing for the day now05:53
thumperhave a good friday and weekend folks05:53
willcookemorning all.  Look busy, there are shareholders watching07:00
didrockshey willcooke07:03
seb128hey willcooke07:11
pittiah, what a nice morning for running07:22
pittihey willcooke, hey seb12807:22
willcookeo/07:23
pittiwillcooke: ah, Instant Porsche Owner soon? :-)07:23
seb128hey pitti, wie gehts?07:23
seb128pitti is sport addict07:23
pittiseb128: prima, danke! und selbst?07:23
seb128auch gut, danke!07:23
pittiwillcooke: I assume you refer to http://www.zdnet.com/article/mark-shuttleworth-considering-canonical-ipo/ :)07:23
willcookeyeah07:23
willcookewrong button07:24
didrocksgood morning pitti!07:26
mptHuh, I’ve found a reliable way to crash Nautilus07:27
seb128mpt, oh, which one?07:27
mptUnfortunately, the error reporter came up only the first time07:27
mptseb128, :-P07:27
mptseb128, navigate to the “Screenshots” folder on the phone, then drag one of the screenshots over the “Places” area of Nautilus’s sidebar07:28
mpt(That’s probably needlessly specific, I haven’t investigated much yet)07:28
mptYeah, same happens with any image, doesn’t need to be on the phone07:29
seb128works for me07:29
mpt…Same happens with any file, doesn’t need to be an image07:29
mpt…Same happens with a folder, doesn’t need to be a file07:29
seb128mpt, that seems similar to bug #144784807:29
ubot5bug 1447848 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Cannot move "Videos" within the side panel" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144784807:29
seb128mpt, having an error report would be useful07:30
seb128or a backtrace07:30
mptseb128, https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/1abf28e6-0053-11e5-8191-fa163e22e46707:32
mptAh, it’s bug 129316807:33
ubot5Error: Launchpad bug 1293168 could not be found07:33
mpthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/129316807:33
mptAt least according to the bucketer07:33
seb128mpt, seems so07:34
seb128mpt, you are on the LTS I guess?07:37
mptyes07:37
seb128k, seems like it's fixed in newer versions from the e.u.c table07:37
seb128mpt, k, I can't get it to bug ... do you have anything that looks special/weird in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks? I tried to add duplicates or buggy entries without luck07:59
seb128mpt, do you use desktop as home?08:00
Laneyhullo08:04
larsumorning Laney!08:05
Laneyhey larsu08:06
Laneyhappy friday!08:06
seb128hey Laney08:08
seb128hey robert_ancell08:08
seb128mpt, ok, I found a way to reproduce by editing .config/user-dirs.dirs08:08
didrockshey Laney08:09
Laneyhello french friends08:09
LaneyI am going to a friend's house tonight to have tartiflette08:10
Laneyscared08:10
seb128yummmy08:10
seb128lucky you08:10
* seb128 wants that08:10
LaneyI had reblochon once before and ...08:10
Laneydidn't eat very much :)08:10
didrocksyou will just fallback on potatoes :)08:11
Laneymaybe it's different with all the other stuff08:12
seb128mpt, I can reproduce that nautilus bug now, looking for a fix, thanks for pointing it out ;-)08:16
mpt\o/08:39
=== JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland
Laneyseb128: what happens with systemd and your whoopsie writable fix?09:41
seb128Laney, you mean?09:42
Laneydoesn't that path rely on renaming files too?09:42
Laney(iirc)09:43
seb128oh09:43
seb128https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201618635/lac.debdiff you mean?09:43
seb128ogra_ was looking at it I think09:44
seb128but verification failed because the whoopsie side was missing09:44
Laneythat's upstart09:44
Laneydidrocks made it use update-rc.d disable for systemd09:44
seb128right, need to look at that09:44
LaneyI wonder if this is going to work or not09:44
seb128I'm going to do it after lunch09:44
Laneyokay09:44
didrocksit will create symlinks in /etc/systemd/09:44
seb128thanks for the reminder09:44
didrocksseb128: ^09:44
didrocksyou should look at that part :)09:45
didrocks(it's only one file to set as writable)09:45
didrocksseb128: /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/whoopsie.service09:45
didrocksit's creating/deleting that symlink09:45
seb128didrocks, under systemd pid1 right?09:46
didrocksyep09:46
seb128not under upstart09:46
seb128which the phone currently still use09:46
seb128but yeah, we should make both work09:46
Laneyfuture proofing09:46
didrockswell, the phone will use soon systemd09:46
didrocksso, I guess it worthes it09:46
LaneyI'm going a bit cross eyed at this code09:46
seb128not sure, maybe /etc/systemd/system should be writable as a dir09:46
LaneyI can't find where it makes the upstart override09:46
didrocksLaney: whoopsie-preferences?09:47
Laneyye09:47
seb128need to go for lunch, bbl09:47
didrocksit's using update-rc.d09:47
Laneydoes update-rc.d make an override?09:47
didrocksgood week-end seb128 :)09:47
didrocksIIRC, yeah, let me check, one sec09:47
seb128didrocks, oh right, thanks, you too09:47
didrocksenjoy the "north"09:47
didrocks:)09:47
Laneyyes, it does09:47
seb128hehe, and you enjoy Paris ;-)09:48
didrockswell, it's far enough from Paris, thanks god!09:48
Laneydo we need to pre-create this file?09:48
Laneylike we do for ssh.override it seems09:48
didrocksLaney: yeah, so update-rc.d does this09:48
didrocksLaney: I'm afraid you do09:48
didrocksfor the bindmount09:49
Laneyfair enough09:49
* didrocks imagines how pitti enjoys that conversation :)09:49
pittididrocks: what, what?09:49
didrockspitti: speaking about mounting hacks needed for whoopsie on touch09:50
Laneyoh, just doing some butchery09:50
didrocks"sorry for the blood"09:50
pittididrocks: ah, you mean https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201618635/lac.debdiff ?09:51
didrockspitti: yeah, and now, adding the systemd part09:52
pittiyeah, every time we add another bind mount, a little kitten dies somewhere :(09:52
LaneyI think they are open to doing something different for snappy09:52
didrockspitti: you mean http://ikonal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/100-chats-1662099.jpg is next?09:52
didrocksLaney: depends on who you talk to09:53
didrocksLaney: there is a very long email thread about it a couple of months ago09:53
pittididrocks: right, and now imagine that with a blunt fork in its belly!09:53
LaneyI started a new one a couple of days ago09:53
didrocksyeah, I saw it09:53
LaneyI think asac recognises the problem so ...09:53
Laneythere is hope09:53
didrockslet's cross fingers09:53
didrocksLaney: I was referencing this email: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-February/000285.html09:55
didrocksespecially:09:56
didrocks"using read-only bind-mounts and09:56
didrockstmpfs mounts instead (possibly hundreds/thousands of them)"09:56
Laneyis ubuntu-rtm still relevant?10:07
didrocksyes, AFAIK10:08
asacLaney: which problem?10:09
asac:)10:09
asacme? :P10:09
Laneyrenaming thing10:09
Laneyogra_: confirm/deny ubuntu-rtm please10:09
asacso far i didnt get it :(10:09
asacbut i didnt have time to even ask anyone to explain it to me10:09
Laneyok10:10
ogra_Laney, not relevant anymore10:20
ogra_vivid+overlay is the relevant one now ...10:21
ogra_(wily is not supposed to have a phone release at all (might change indeed, but not planned atm))10:21
Laneythx10:25
LaneyI think for whoopsie vivid=wily so fix is the same10:25
* didrocks is going to catch a train and work offline. Have a good week-end everyone!11:05
willcookesee ya didrocks11:05
Laneybye didrocks!11:05
didrockssee you on Tuesday, enjoy the long week-end willcooke, Laney :)11:05
Laneyand to you11:06
LaneyGOD11:06
Laneyspeedquitting11:06
willcooke:D11:06
* Laney keeps forgetting that it is a long weekend11:08
willcookeonly if we survive the earth quake apocalypse11:08
Laneymaybe the south will slide into the sea11:09
willcookeIt's the collective will of the Tories in Kent trying to distance themselves from Scotland11:10
larsuLaney: what are we updating totem to this cycle?11:24
* larsu wonders if he should backport patches11:24
Laney16 probably11:25
larsuk11:25
Laneyhas that code changed?11:25
larsuwell, let's see what hadess says first11:25
Laneybecause ... we'd probably want to SRU the fix11:25
larsunot by much I don't think11:25
larsuI think I'd like to SRU the gsettings-on-startup one11:25
Laneypeas?11:25
larsuno. gregier wasn't impressed11:26
larsuI filed a bug though, let's see11:26
larsuput a workaround in totem at gnome bug #74972211:26
ubot5Gnome bug 749722 in general "Totem writes to gsettings on startup" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74972211:26
mitya57attente, seb128: Qt 5.4.2 is not released yet, but we'll update when it is11:26
Laneyi see11:26
mitya57(that might take a while though)11:26
Laneywell, we'll want it on 3.14 for the SRU either way11:27
larsuindeed11:29
Laneythanks for fixing it!11:30
Laneysorry for the yaks11:30
seb128mitya57, thanks11:31
seb128back11:36
seb128Laney, for systemd, any reason we just don't make the whole /etc/system.d/system writable? that should work for any enabling/disabling of systemd jobs then?11:37
LaneyI don't know - we could have done that for /etc/init too11:37
larsuLaney: I also found a bug in the dbus action group exporter in the process :)11:38
Laneyheh11:38
larsudon't think I've ever had that many yaks while working on a "I just need to drop this menubar xml here"11:39
seb128Laney, yeah, I'm fine doing it for /etc/init as well11:40
seb128ogra_, ^ do you know why we didn't do that?11:40
Laneyit's probably a principled th ing11:40
Laneyman this pear is really messy11:40
ogra_seb128, security ... then you could as well make all of /etc writable which we dont want11:40
seb128ogra_, if you can adb and use sudo on the device security is out anyway11:44
ogra_well, it is the concept ...11:44
seb128you can as well set the image to rw11:44
seb128and change the password11:44
seb128what concept?11:44
seb128even mdeslaur gave a +1 on the phone list to pitti's suggestion to have /etc rw with some bits ro symlinked somewhere11:45
ogra_that only a minimal set of files are made writable ... only in cases where something needs a cache dir or some such dirs are allowed writable11:45
ogra_the idea was to have complete control over each file ...11:45
seb128well experience show it doesn't work11:45
seb128we keep piling hacks to make things writable11:46
ogra_that is why snappy will make that better ;)11:46
seb128how?11:46
ogra_if you want to change the security concept of the whole system some days before an OTA, feel free to discuss that with the new phone team11:46
seb128no, I don't11:47
ogra_snappy will most likely use overlayfs with a whitelist11:47
seb128but I don't want snappy to have the same limitations11:47
seb128ah, cool11:47
ogra_depends on how hard the backporting of it to the android kernels will be11:47
seb128so we are making overlayfs work? ;-)11:47
seb128great11:47
ogra_not decided yet ... we need to look into the kernel work11:47
ogra_but i thnk thats the long term goal in any case11:48
seb128k11:48
seb128that's good to know11:48
seb128thanks11:48
seb128ogra_, meanwhile can we land https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201618635/lac.debdiff? you or rsalveti were looking at it I think?11:48
ogra_(if it is as easy as patching apparmor (drop the upstream apparmor dir, unpack ours in there) we will surely do it)11:49
ogra_seb128, well, is whoopsie ready for that now ?11:49
seb128ogra_, yes, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/whoopsie-preferences/touch-writable-image/+merge/259531 got merged today11:49
ogra_iirc there was the systemd-like patch needed11:50
ogra_ah, perfect11:50
seb128seems like  lxc-android-config  has already some landing up in the system11:51
ogra_yeah11:51
ogra_kenvandine was handling the last one ... i think  once his is in we can try landing the whoopsie one11:51
seb128great, thanks11:51
ogra_the others should all only be test silos or leftover ones (ken merged most of them in one landing)11:52
Laneyseb128: I uploaded whoopsie-preferences12:05
seb128Laney, thanks!12:05
Laneycommented on what's left12:05
seb128thanks12:06
ChrisTownsendseb128: Hi!  dkessel was asking yesterday about the login credentials of Ubuntu Desktop Next Live session.  dkessel wants to switch to a VT to do some debugging, but it's requiring a username and password.  1) I thought VT's were automatically logged in on a Live session 2) he tried ubuntu/<blank> and ubuntu/ubuntu with no success.  Do you have any ideas?12:08
seb128ChrisTownsend, hey, replied on #ubuntu-unity12:09
Laneywhat happened to the work to turn that into a preinstalled image btw?12:09
seb128preinstalled? you mean the container thing? or snappy personal?12:10
Laneydidrocks was preparing the bits to make it a snappy image12:11
Laneythe live desktop-next was going to go away12:11
didrocksok, staying connected as long as we are not at 300kms/h!12:11
Laneyoh hello!12:11
didrocksno promise though :p12:11
didrocksbut EMISSCONTEXT with ping12:11
* pitti waves to didrocks while he zips through the landscape12:11
LaneyI was asking about the 'new' desktop-next that you were working on at the sprint12:11
pittididrocks: btw, good news! fsckd works fairly well with the /run/systemd/fsck.progress in systemd 22012:12
pittididrocks: I just had to drop the fsck modifications and clean up the patch a bit12:12
seb128Laney, right, but didrocks did rage quit that project, I'm looking at it with robert_ancell next, we just aren't there yet12:13
Laneyhaha12:13
Laneyok, I was just asking :)12:13
seb128:-)12:13
seb128Laney, though I'm unsure what the changes didrocks did in London were about exactly, he changed the livecd scripts to prepare some of the work I think, but not sure how that fit with the snappy image build12:19
didrocksseb128: well, if it's another name, you "just" need to do the same with another name12:20
didrocksthere are livecd changes and at least another component to change12:20
didrocks+the seed creation of course if it's a new name12:20
Laneyno new name, just finishing up what you did i think12:20
seb128didrocks, well, snappy images are built like livecd?12:20
Laneythey are driven from the same scripts12:20
* seb128 still doesn't have a good picture of how those pieces fit12:20
didrocksseb128: yeah, with special propertie12:20
didrocksproperties*12:21
Laneybut they produce a different type of image at the end12:21
didrocksthat's why I did the changes there12:21
seb128k12:21
didrocksLaney: it's normally "done", just need to be in production12:21
didrocksand fix ;)12:21
Laneydoes it use the seeds still?12:21
didrocksyep12:21
seb128did you upload your changes at the end?12:22
didrocksit's just the output elements that are differents12:22
Laneyya12:22
seb128do we have some wiki/documentation about building a snappy image from a seed?12:22
LaneyI don't know what unknown surprises there will be, surely some12:22
didrocksseb128: no, we were stuck in willy to open, and then, I retargeted myself12:22
Laneyunlikely12:22
seb128didrocks, did you stack your wip work somewhere?12:22
didrocksseb128: nothing AFAIK, just needed to dive into the code12:23
seb128k12:23
* Laney senses some lag12:23
seb128didrocks, thanks12:23
Laneythere were some branches pushed12:25
LaneyI saw cjwatson doing some reviews12:25
didrocksseb128: it's in ~ubuntu-desktop12:25
didrocksjust check for recent branches, I guess I don't have enough bandwith12:25
didrocksseb128: there are MPs as well (approved)12:25
pittiseb128: if you find some documentation, I'd be interested in that as well12:25
seb128didrocks, great, thanks12:26
seb128pitti, ok, if I do I let you know ;-)12:26
pittiit seems to me that building a snappy image shouldn't be much more than calling vmdebootstrap with a 30-liner shell script to install additional things?12:26
seb128Laney, thanks for catching that absolute/relative symlink thing12:26
Laneynp!12:27
Laneylunch time12:28
Laneyaka courgette time12:28
Laneyyum yum12:28
seb128Laney, enjoy! better to eat light, keep some space for the cheese tonight12:29
ogra_oh, poetry !12:41
=== vrruiz is now known as rvr
* willcooke -> kids school13:31
willcookebbl13:31
Laneyseb128: do you remember a bug about the font preview thing in gedit?14:58
LaneyI thought that was fixed but still seems to be happening here14:58
seb128Laney, no, what's wrong with it?14:58
Laneyno sample text14:58
seb128oh, that14:59
seb128Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/commit/?id=af6d3204ec4a71efff8521f2df7ffb69960279f415:02
seb128need to backport that15:02
Laneyya, can do15:03
Laneyjust got forgotten?15:03
seb128well, I think it was "fixed with new gedit" and larsu was looking at updating gedit15:03
seb128so we didn't bother doing backporting15:03
Laney'kay15:03
seb128you can maybe just commit that to the vcs to batch for the next upload15:04
seb128that doesn't seem important enough to bother uploading15:04
Laneybah15:11
Laney9 and 10 aren't in bzr15:11
Laneyjust 1015:11
* Laney can't read15:11
qenghoHey hey. I'm testing a new chromium, and I want a few others to test, especially if you're using a non-default input method.  https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage16:02
qenghoI see some weird problem with typing at a new tab, and I don't know if it's fcitx or Cr or my machine.16:03
seb128qengho, I can test but I'm not using an im for input16:03
qenghoseb128: well, that is data too. Please give it a try.16:04
seb128qengho, installing16:04
seb128qengho, seems to work fine here, no input issue in tabs16:11
seb128the tab UI is weird16:12
seb128if you select the entry in the middle of the page an start typing the input/focus goes to the top bar16:12
seb128is that expected?16:12
seb128it works, just looks weird16:12
qenghoseb128: so, C-n new tab, "foo"+enter, sends text to location bar and searches for "foo"?16:12
seb128yes16:13
seb128I can ctrl-t and type, enter and get google result16:13
seb128same for new instances16:13
seb128https://www.google.nl/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&client=ubuntu#q=ubuntu16:14
seb128is what I get typing "ubuntu"16:14
seb128is that sourceid correct?16:14
qenghoseb128: you mean beneath the new-tab "Google   [     ]    eight frequent sites" page?  Clicking in that search box and typing "should" (or has gone for a while in Cr and G-C) to what you and I call the location bar. That part is normal.16:15
nessitaseb128, hi! remmber I had some issues with the desktop where all the characters in the browser (firefox) and terminal completely messed up? it happened again, and not sure hot to go back to a sane state without rebooting. What I see is https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B-cmfDncRJmYbEROaFhPRGJCTlk/view?usp=sharing16:15
seb128qengho, I mean I type in the box on the middle of the page and the focus/text goes to the url bar at the top16:16
qenghoseb128: right. Normal.16:16
seb128k16:16
seb128weird experience16:16
seb128nessita, yeah, seems to be an intel driver bug...16:17
seb128nessita, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8858416:17
qenghoseb128: I think it's training users to just search already, instead of searching for "google" and then searching.16:17
ubot5Freedesktop bug 88584 in Driver/intel "[ilk] Font and screen corruption in GTK+ applications" [Major,New]16:17
seb128qengho, I see :-)16:17
seb128qengho, which tag is our client is? client=ubuntu?16:18
seb128qengho, not sourceid?16:18
qenghoseb128: the source id is not used by us. Only "client" matters.16:18
seb128k16:18
seb128good16:18
seb128I was unsure so checking ;-)16:18
seb128nessita, usually when I get that changing fonts or zoom fixes it16:18
seb128that can be a workaround you can try16:19
seb128if you don't want to reboot16:19
seb128nessita, "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface font-name"16:19
seb128then try to set that to a with a small difference to the size for example16:19
nessitaseb128, thanks (had to re-open the chat in the text terminal because I couldn't read what you were saying :-))16:20
seb128nessita, sometime selecting works as well16:20
seb128qengho, confirmed that I've no input issue here, sorry ...16:21
nessitaseb128, you are right! and then pasting on a gmail draft ;-)16:21
seb128hehe16:22
qenghoseb128: Thanks!16:22
seb128yw!16:23
nessitahum, changing fonts does not fix it (tried Arial, Verdana)16:23
nessitawill reboot :-)16:23
seb128k16:25
seb128sorry, I don't have a better suggestion...16:25
Laneybye, happy one day holiday!17:07
Laneyof^17:07

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