[00:08] <awilkins> daftykins, have got it working
[00:08] <awilkins> daftykins, not passthrough AFAIK
[00:09] <daftykins> so just getting stereo from 5 channels or decoding a surround audio'd film to it?
[00:09] <awilkins> Watching Oblivion on Netflix in Chrome
[00:09] <awilkins> Seems to have all the appropriate postitional noises
[00:10] <awilkins> And bowel juddering
[00:10]  * diddledan loses his bowels
[00:10] <awilkins> Small "decode" light on my speaker console is lit
[00:10] <daftykins> ah i don't know what Netflix'd do re: audio
[00:10] <diddledan> yey for another ssl vuln
[00:10] <diddledan> logjam!
[00:11] <daftykins> \o/
[00:11] <diddledan> because no vulnerability is worth it's salt without a catchy name
[00:11] <daftykins> diddledan: gotta catch 'em all
[00:11] <awilkins> The speaker test correctly makes the speakers speak
[00:11] <diddledan> obviously I mean salt in the non-cryptographic sense :-p
[00:11] <awilkins> Not tried a DVD yet
[00:11]  * diddledan jams logs in the loo
[00:12] <daftykins> is that this loo-owl i keep hearing of?
[00:12] <diddledan> well I wasn't the one who mentioned bowel juddering!
[00:12] <daftykins> awilkins: sounds like passthrough to me ^_^ aka bitstreaming
[00:13] <diddledan> steaming pile of bits :-p
[00:13] <daftykins> anyone ever try out ultraviolet btw?
[00:13] <awilkins> Had to do this thing to PulseAudio to make it use the 5.1
[00:13] <diddledan> yeah I use uv
[00:13] <diddledan> but I'm on 'dows
[00:13] <daftykins> same sir
[00:13] <daftykins> if you buy a DVD only copy do you get the aitch-dee stream?
[00:13] <diddledan> don't you love how "'dows" can be so easily misspelt as 'dos
[00:13] <awilkins> All my vidya-rips are stereo because I made them for my tablet, I think
[00:13] <daftykins> eww :D
[00:13] <diddledan> no, a dvd will only give an SD digital copy
[00:14] <daftykins> aww that's rude
[00:14] <diddledan> indeed
[00:14] <daftykins> it's ok i didn't buy a film, just thought about it up at the boss'
[00:14] <daftykins> as i was adding some of his collection onto the file server today
[00:14] <diddledan> because you didn't license it in HD when you bought the license in sainsburys - because we all know we license the movie on a dvd
[00:15] <diddledan> having a physical disc doesn't mean we "own" anything
[00:16] <diddledan> I've had good success with the bluray ripping thing
[00:16] <diddledan> can't remember what it's called
[00:16]  * awilkins plays a DTS 5.1 tet vid on Youtibe
[00:16] <awilkins> Ok, that doesn't work properly
[00:16] <awilkins> Front left also coming from rear left
[00:17] <diddledan> makemkv
[00:17] <diddledan> thassit I think
[00:18] <awilkins> Maybe it's the browse as a player
[00:18] <daftykins> yeah i have swapped out the libs on my HTPC with makemkv and that made Kodi play bluray
[00:18] <diddledan> of course now we've got 4k bluray looks a bit blurray
[00:19] <awilkins> Ok, so VLC correctly identifies this as a DTS file
[00:20] <awilkins> But no sound
[00:20] <awilkins> Gnnarg
[00:20] <daftykins> did you enable Dolby digital 5.1 bitstreaming but not DTS?
[00:20] <daftykins> that's the theory anyway, not the practice
[00:21] <awilkins> I have a "Digital Surround 5.1" device
[00:21] <awilkins> The "Advanced" tab with the DTS option box isn't enabled
[00:25] <awilkins> Interesting. The DTS file blocks all the other audio
[00:25] <daftykins> yeah bitstreaming typically owns a device
[00:26] <awilkins> But it's silent
[00:26] <daftykins> is your receiver capable 0o
[00:26] <awilkins> It has a wee DTS digital surround logo on it
[00:26] <daftykins> ah
[00:26] <awilkins> This is a DTS-hd file
[00:27] <awilkins> This may be the problem?
[00:27] <daftykins> definitely
[00:28] <daftykins> but typically those files still contain a DTS core audio track
[00:28] <daftykins> so you need to disable DTS HD in VLC perhaps
[00:28] <awilkins> Only one track in it
[00:28] <daftykins> yeah they're kinda wrapped
[00:28] <daftykins> run mediainfo on the file
[00:29] <daftykins> my amp in the lounge supports DTS HD MA but the HTPC doesn't bitstream it, so i just get standard DTS films
[00:30] <awilkins> So specs of thing say :
[00:30] <awilkins> THX certified
[00:30] <awilkins> Dolby Digital 5.1 decoding
[00:30] <awilkins> DTS decoding
[00:30] <daftykins> mmhmm
[00:30] <awilkins> Mediainfo says
[00:31] <awilkins> It's a BDAV file
[00:31] <daftykins> o0 a 1:1 dump?
[00:31] <awilkins> Format DTS / MA / Core
[00:31] <daftykins> ah there you go
[00:31] <daftykins> so you need to fight VLC to tell it your receiver doesn't support DTS HD MA
[00:31] <daftykins> so that it falls back to DTS core
[00:32] <daftykins> i don't use it so can't comment sadly
[00:42] <awilkins> Oh, ok, I must have reset something
[00:42] <awilkins> Had to poke pulseaudio to reset card
[00:42] <awilkins> profile
[00:43] <awilkins> 5.1 test vid is working so far
[00:45] <awilkins> Cool, even the phase tests work
[00:47] <awilkins> Ok, definitely capable of fivepointoneiness
[00:48] <daftykins> \o/
[00:48] <awilkins> Not sure this is the std. operating mode of Netflix though
[00:49] <awilkins> Ok, so they mostly use pro-logic
[00:49] <awilkins> Have pavumeter running and no difference between front and rear channels
[00:52] <awilkins> Will try this movie from the DVD instead of the Netflix
[00:52] <awilkins> But tomorrow, probably
[01:06] <intrbiz> does ubuntu 14.04 use logind?
[01:10] <awilkins> systemd-logind
[01:54] <Azelphur> um...did we just have an earthquake or something?
[01:57] <Azelphur> https://twitter.com/search?q=margate&src=typd&vertical=default&f=tweets holy moly...I think that was an earthquake
[01:59] <diddledan> nothing here in hampshire
[02:01] <Azelphur> guess it was a small one that only hit thanet
[02:01] <Azelphur> I'mma go check for damage I guess
[02:02] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/bitcalm/status/601507792109707264/photo/1
[02:04] <Azelphur> http://m.emsc.eu/earthquake/earthquake.php?evid=443215 yup, confirmed
[02:04] <Azelphur> that happened o.O
[02:04] <diddledan> 4.3 isn't very small
[02:04] <diddledan> that's a reasonable size IIRC
[02:04] <diddledan> certainly for britain
[02:06] <Azelphur> yea was definitely a reasonable bumpe
[02:06] <diddledan> about 18 miles from margate?
[02:06] <diddledan> 23km apparently
[02:06] <Azelphur> yup
[02:07] <diddledan> looks like that page is still getting updated
[02:07] <diddledan> it's gone from 2km depth to 10
[02:07] <diddledan> and macroseimic intensity has changed from F(Felt) to IV(Largely Observed)
[02:08] <diddledan> and depth is now 1km
[02:11] <Azelphur> yea, definitely largely observed
[02:11] <Azelphur> I have family and stuff all messaging me at 3am in the morning after being woke up by it, and my mates TV fell down.
[02:16] <zmoylan-pi> at what point does facebooks send a status in an emergency situation kick in? :-)
[02:17] <diddledan> I think this should qualify
[02:17]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if the no to gay marriage in ireland will see this as a /sign/
[02:18] <diddledan_> well it was a sign of something
[02:18] <daftykins> whoa it shook so hard diddledan got cloned
[02:18] <diddledan_> heh different pc
[02:18] <daftykins> ;]
[02:18] <Azelphur> lol
[02:18] <diddledan_> trying to get the latest win10 on the other one
[02:18] <zmoylan-pi> his bunker pc with a years worth of food and internet... :-D
[02:18] <daftykins> ah yes i just installed that new build
[02:19] <daftykins> it trashed a lot of things for me
[02:19] <daftykins> blank start menu tiles, spartan kept becoming the default browser even when changed to FF
[02:19] <daftykins> very odd indeed
[02:19] <diddledan_> I tried it earlier but hit the issue of install hanging at 18% that the twits have been moaning about
[02:19] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:19] <daftykins> Roald Dahl never meant for them to have computers, after all
[02:20] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/601566306731593728
[02:20] <diddledan_> that's what I'm trying right now
[02:21] <diddledan_> it's prepareing right now
[02:21] <diddledan_> --e
[04:05] <diddledan_> finally got win10 installing
[04:06] <diddledan_> I had to uninstall "apple device support" or the winusb packages (I actually did both so can't say which was the culprit)
[04:06] <diddledan_> winusb is the usb drivers for interacting with windows phones
[04:08] <diddledan_> daftykins: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFlLIOTWIAEMvJU.png
[04:09] <daftykins> i just passed my cat on the stairs, her leaving the bedroom, me heading to it
[04:09] <daftykins> unsure what her plan is, could be dermur
[04:11] <zmoylan-pi> cat is going to find a place to sleep in the sunrise
[04:11] <daftykins> could well be
[04:11] <zmoylan-pi> cats do not waste sunbeams... :-)
[04:12] <daftykins> that made me think of the Nirvana track/cover Jesus don't want me for a Sunbeam ~
[04:12] <diddledan_> the sun is only useful for sleeping under
[04:13] <diddledan_> yey! build 10122 is installed!
[04:13] <zmoylan-pi> for a cat sleeping in the sun or in a really warm spot means they don't need to waste energy warming themselves.
[04:14] <daftykins> ten wan tutu
[04:14] <diddledan_> my internet connection: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFlC3BCVAAA8qWm.jpg
[04:14] <daftykins> Mischief doesn't need to either, she curls up to me and steals my heat
[04:14] <daftykins> are you Matthew Broderick by any chance?
[04:15] <diddledan_> lol
[04:15] <diddledan_> yes. yes I am
[04:15] <zmoylan-pi> so you're merely a mobile warmspot
[04:15] <diddledan_> I found a cool game server the other day
[04:16] <diddledan_> it thinks I'm some dude by the name falcon
[04:17] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i'm putting that on my CV
[04:19] <daftykins> ok nn guys \o
[04:19] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[04:19] <diddledan_> :-o
[04:19] <diddledan_> it's early yet
[04:20] <daftykins> a night in the pub gave me the alearm clock effect yesterday
[04:21] <daftykins> i actually woke up O_O
[04:21] <daftykins> now i've ruined it by being up again
[04:38] <_1_Mansfield> hi
[05:13] <mapps> hi all
[05:28] <diddledan> morning
[06:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:12] <ali1234> Azelphur: intents don't work in firefox for android
[06:21] <diddledan> o_O
[06:22] <ali1234> (still, after four years)
[06:55] <diddledan> ooh, that's fun
[06:55] <diddledan> ms surface pro 3 with ms edge browser - drawing on webpages
[07:34] <andrewebdev> Is there _any_ way to make ubuntu alt-tab behave sanely when using multiple monitors?
[07:34] <nucc1> define sanely
[07:34] <andrewebdev> (busy ... :) )
[07:35] <andrewebdev> I have multiple terminals and windows open at the on two monitors, when I hit alt tab, I'd like the order to be prioritized for the current monitor
[07:36] <andrewebdev> or is that hoping for too much?
[07:37] <nucc1> it is ordered by recently used
[07:37] <andrewebdev> It makes it really hard sometimes to get to the actual window I'm looking for, without using the mouse, especially with multiple terminals open, cause they then get grouped up even
[07:40] <andrewebdev> looks like I'm not the only one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211863
[07:40] <andrewebdev> maybe I'll try that, but I really didn't want to install the ccsm
[07:41] <nucc1> lol
[07:41] <nucc1> you don't want to install the tool that will give you what you want.
[07:43] <andrewebdev> no need to be patronizing ... I'm just asking if there something built into unity to disable the window grouping, without having to install extra stuff.
[07:43] <nucc1> i'm not patronizing you. you may realize that silence usually means "I don't know". but then, you found a tool that probably does just what you want, and then "you don't want to install it". Pardon me if I find that funny.
[07:46] <andrewebdev> np, I'm just reluctant to "keep installing" stuff just to make the core system be more usable. To me that feels like windows
[07:46] <nucc1> the whole idea of apps is that you install those that you want/need
[07:47] <nucc1> and as you can imagine, not everyone is dissatisfied with the default alt-tab behaviour
[07:47] <nucc1> I personally never found it wanting, but then, I don't use it much. I use the mouse for pretty much everything
[07:50] <andrewebdev> As a keyboard user the current alt-tab behaviour is infuriating
[07:50] <andrewebdev> ... that said
[07:50] <popey> uh
[07:50] <popey> ccsm is what you need
[07:50] <andrewebdev> if there are no way to do this using default settings then I'll install ccsml
[07:51] <nucc1> popey: he found it, he he. he just wants to argue that it should be part of the default suite of apps in ubuntu
[07:51] <popey> I know
[07:51] <popey> I'm re-iterating it's what's needed
[07:51] <ali1234> i recommend xubuntu :)
[07:51] <andrewebdev> I just didn't want to bloat  my system that's all :)
[07:51] <nucc1> ali1234: another funny one. Because that ships with ccsm by default?
[07:51] <ali1234> no, it doesn't even use compiz
[07:51] <nucc1> andrewebdev: let me guess, your system has 8G of RAM perhaps? and you run CCSM and quit it. How is that bloat?
[07:52] <ali1234> if it was installed by default, how would it be less bloated then if you installed it manually?
[07:52] <andrewebdev> ...
[07:52] <nucc1> bloat… unless you're so poor that you can't afford a better machine, that is a very lazy complaint
[07:53] <ali1234> the bloat *is* starting to get out of hand...
[07:53] <nucc1> you can get a computer today that will run default ubuntu and a ton of other apps you can throw at it for less than 300 quid
[07:53] <ali1234> but it's not really the fault of ubuntu
[07:53] <nucc1> there were people who argued that the GUI was bloat
[07:53] <ali1234> firefox is the worst resource hog
[07:54] <nucc1> ali1234: you open 200 tabs and then complain that it is using too much RAM.
[07:54] <ali1234> nah, they've fixed the ram problems
[07:54] <ali1234> the problem now is that background tabs keep running loads of javascript
[07:54] <ali1234> there's no good reason for that; background tabs should be paused
[07:54] <nucc1> it's not a mobile phone
[07:54] <ali1234> unless it's a music player, but those could be whitelisted
[07:55] <ali1234> it will be in a couple of years
[07:55] <popey> there are plugins for that
[07:55] <diddledan> chrome is the main offender of background processes
[07:55] <ali1234> remember all that "phones can run a desktop now" talk?
[07:56] <nucc1> ali1234: the reason phones behave like that is to conserve limited battery. of course it would be nice for desktops to behave like that, because it's more efficient, but that is not quite the same thing as bloat
[07:56] <ali1234> sure it is
[07:57] <nucc1> well, as you said, you have a ton of options
[07:57] <nucc1> plugins, different browsers etc.
[07:57] <ali1234> there's really only two browsers and neither of them is known for efficiency
[07:57] <nucc1> it helps to remember that the resources on your computer are meant to be used.
[07:58] <popey> hmm https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/05/21/help-test-changes-to-new-tab-in-firefox-beta/
[07:58] <nucc1> popey: which plugin?
[07:58] <popey> nucc1: I'm using chrome, there's a few
[07:59] <nucc1> i use opera :), but lemme know the names so i can know what to search for
[07:59] <nucc1> the only time i actually value this kind of functionality is when i'm running off battery
[08:00] <popey> just search for suspend tabs
[08:00] <ali1234> https://hg.adblockplus.org/suspendbackgroundtabs <- removed from mozilla app store
[08:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Don’t Fry Day! 😃
[08:08] <andrewebdev> well there we go... ccsm crashed my desktop just now attempting to enable another window switcher
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Morning. Remember that video about YouTube and metadata? Remember how it also said that one should be careful of the thumbnail one chooses? Nothing too provocative etc?
[08:10] <ali1234> andrewebdev: yeah it does that, everything should just start up again with the new options you set
[08:10] <ali1234> TwistedLucidity: yes i remember it
[08:11] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Well, imagine my surprise when I switch on the TV and was greeted by a massive pair of boobs thanks to YouTube ("The Barber" movie trailer). Someone really should report that.
[08:11] <TwistedLucidity> Think of the children!
[08:12] <nucc1> TwistedLucidity: the kids are probably unconcerned with it. it's your dirty mind playing tricks on you.
[08:13] <nucc1> unless they were bare of course :p
[08:49] <popey> wow, that tab pausing extension made a massive difference
[09:05] <diddledan> does ubuntu phone do tethering?
[09:05] <popey> it can
[09:06] <diddledan> is it a manual commandline thing or has the ui caught-up?
[09:06] <popey> both
[09:06] <diddledan> lol
[09:06] <popey> there's a command line way and there's a separate app which can do it
[09:06] <diddledan> aah
[09:07] <diddledan> I spotted that the bq device is listed as dual sim so I thought maybe I might plop this month's excess on it
[09:07] <bashrc> cool
[09:07] <popey> I see rumours of another device coming soon
[09:07] <diddledan> the meizu?
[09:08] <diddledan> or a third?
[09:09] <bashrc> I'm thinking of maybe getting a bq phone as a secondary phone for development
[09:09] <bashrc> I'll stick with android as my main phone OS for now, because it has all the secure messaging apps
[09:09] <popey> a third
[09:10] <diddledan> ooh
[09:10]  * diddledan goes to omgubuntu to see what the news is
[09:10] <bashrc> potentially I could develop some messaging apps for ubuntutouch, although it would be a long process because I don't have much time to do that kind of stuff
[09:11] <popey> diddledan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices last one on that list
[09:12] <diddledan> the WorkInProgress list?
[09:12] <popey> right at the bottom
[09:12] <diddledan> VegetaHD?
[09:13] <diddledan> ooh
[09:13] <diddledan> yes it would seem so. John is a member of the canonical devices team
[09:14] <diddledan> curiouser and curiouser :-p
[09:14] <diddledan> aha the github gives away alot
[09:15] <diddledan> i.e. the manufacturer and device name
[09:18]  * diddledan wonders if this is the high-end device mark mentioned in the UoS the other week
[09:18] <popey> don't think so
[09:19] <diddledan> it's got some pretty amazing specs
[09:19] <diddledan> for the price
[09:21] <Myrtti> wheee
[09:21] <diddledan> ello Myrtti
[09:21] <Myrtti> turned the home server on finally
[09:21] <Myrtti> well, back on
[09:23] <Myrtti> dishwasher decided to protest me fiddling in the undersink cupboard few weeks back, relocating the extension cord it was plugged to, tripped the power in the whole house a few times and then went on melting and fusing its plug to the extension cord
[09:24] <Myrtti> decided to keep sensitive computing gear off until repairman came and assured us the house wasn't going to burn
[09:24] <diddledan> Myrtti: it's trying to kill you, like arnie would
[09:25] <Myrtti> possibly yeah
[09:25] <Myrtti> we've also had an IKEA puzzle to assemble
[09:25] <Myrtti> which is still ongoing
[09:26] <Myrtti> fun times.
[09:28] <nigelb> Myrtti: Heh, I've discovered that you can never assemble furniture without getting halfway and realizing you did something wrong initially (and having to start over)
[09:28] <Myrtti> our only problem is that it's huge
[09:28] <diddledan> said the actress to the..
[09:29] <nigelb> Oh dear. what is it? A bed? Dining table?
[09:29] <Myrtti> set of four Pax wardrobes taking a whole wall of the main bedroom
[09:29] <Myrtti> 3x50cm and 1x100cm
[09:29] <nigelb> wooooo
[09:30] <Myrtti> we've assembled the frames, but haven't attached anything to each other or the wall yet.
[09:30] <Myrtti> just fiddled with the order they're in last night, installed few of the inbuilt led strips and decided which doors to put where
[09:33] <directhex> i'm waiting on an IKEA delivery
[09:33] <ujjain> I'm planning to visit the USA for 9 days. If I could visit 3 cities... New York - Las Vegas, and?
[09:33] <directhex> they didn't have what i wanted in stock in MK
[09:44] <Myrtti> directhex: we went there three-ish weeks ago, realised the frames and doors wouldn't fit our Volvo and went and ordered online, as the delivery charge was the same either way. As a bonus got extra set of soft closing hinges - they're included in the price when shopping online but have to pick and pay separately in store
[09:44] <Myrtti> they've got their online whatamajig in Peterborough. It's a shame they don't do click and collect there.
[10:37] <ujjain> what does gbp hedged mean?
[10:38] <foobarry> context
[10:38] <ujjain> iShares S&P 500 GBP Hedged UCITS ETF
[10:38] <foobarry> do you know waht hedging is
[10:39] <popey> is it like cottaging?
[10:39] <ujjain> I thought a hedge funds was a "risky" funds
[10:39] <foobarry> thats not the definition
[10:40] <foobarry> hedging is when you take a position that reduces any potential loss
[10:40] <foobarry> its an insurance
[10:40] <foobarry> e.g.
[10:40] <directhex> hedge funds are funds where you'd get a beter return by just shoring your money in a hedge
[10:40] <directhex> storing
[10:40] <directhex> or shoving
[10:40] <nucc1> shoring works too :p
[10:40] <foobarry> ARM get a lot of income in international markets, but they are a UK company
[10:40] <ujjain> GBP hedged means they make sure they don't get screwd if the USD value goes down then
[10:40] <foobarry> their profits depend on the strength of pound
[10:40] <directhex> there's a reasonable chance the damage to your cash by wildlife is less than the damage to your cash by hedge fund managers
[10:41] <foobarry> so they would trade in FX markets to ensure they hold a position in USD to offset any large swing either way that would reduce profits
[10:41] <foobarry> or an emotional hedge...
[10:41] <foobarry> i support arsenal, so i might bet on chelsea winning the league
[10:42] <foobarry> i offset my emotional loss (arsenal losing makes me sad) by a financial gain
[10:42] <foobarry> :)
[10:42]  * arsen must improve highlight regex
[10:42] <foobarry> if arsenal win then i don't mind losing the stake i put into the chelsea bet
[10:42] <arsen> can't keep coming back here to find i've been highlighted for 'cottaging' ;)
[10:43] <ujjain> ah lol
[10:45] <arsen> the idea behind a hedgefund is a portfolio of hedged investments, so that whatever happens, you should make just above market growth. combine that with huge funds (multi-billions), the profits are significant, though range from losses up to around ~17-18% for the best in the world.
[10:46] <arsen> investment A might make me 15%, but if it doesnt, investment B will cover it and return me 5% instead.
[10:46] <foobarry> but there is a safety net in theory
[10:46] <foobarry> to reduce masssvie swings up or down
[10:47] <foobarry> its like putting a chip on a black number in roulette
[10:47] <foobarry> but also poping a chip on red too
[10:48] <ujjain> ah ok, I don't think I'll take a hedged fund for Europe or US, although US dollar might evaluate (opposite of devaluate)
[10:49] <arsen> the fund you pasted looks like S&P hedged against sterling
[10:49] <arsen> so that works on the premise that one of them is gona do well.
[10:49]  * bashrc hedges against hedge funds
[10:49] <ujjain> makes me wonder if I pay currency conversion costs if I make a ETF S&P 500 purchase.
[10:50] <arsen> not a bad investment, if we have no further financial crises
[10:50]  * foobarry puts his house on the red square
[10:50] <bashrc> that's got to be a losing bet
[10:50] <arsen> typically, investing in the S&P isnt a bad shout, the mark of a good hedgefund is one that can continually beat S&P
[10:52] <arsen> for example: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-22/hedge-funds-underperform-sp-7th-year-row-here-are-their-top-holdings
[10:52]  * arsen goes back in his box
[10:52] <ujjain> Yeah, but the majority of funds does not beat the market
[10:52] <ujjain> if you also claculate the cost of the fund itself, so yeah
[10:52] <ujjain> I'm going for a long-term passive investment anyway, I don't want to waste my free time on thinknig about this too much
[10:59] <ujjain> maybe I should just invest all my money 1000x hedged in a company
[10:59] <ujjain> 1000x leveraged*
[11:14] <awilkins> So : 5.1 working nicely ; if I switch outputs away from the 5.1 the output disappears from the Sound config panel and I have to set it with a pacmd manually
[11:58] <diddledan> m00
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> mú?
[11:59] <diddledan> μ
[11:59] <diddledan> (I had to google to get a copy+paste :-p)
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> all irish keyboards have ú...
[12:01] <diddledan> ú isn't μ
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> true but it does alter the pronounciation of the u
[12:05] <dutchie> it's not even a u
[12:06] <dutchie> more like an m
[12:20] <nucc1> there's a way to automatically choose a uk mirror for apt right?
[12:23] <popey> you can force which mirror you want, yes
[12:23] <popey> i find the .de mirror is faster than the UK one
[12:24] <Myrtti> I just use the "choose the fastest" tool
[12:24] <popey> that too
[12:24] <Myrtti> "select the best server" that is
[12:24] <popey> germany usually wins for me
[12:24] <Myrtti> goscomb for us
[12:25] <popey> oh yes, that one is good too
[12:27] <nucc1> so how do i do that?
[12:27] <nucc1> somehow mine is retrieving files from us
[12:27] <nucc1> US
[12:28] <brobostigon> i find the ocford uni mirror to be very fast.
[12:28] <brobostigon> oxford*
[12:28] <Myrtti> nucc1: "software and updates"
[12:28] <Myrtti> "download from:" "Other..."
[12:28] <nucc1> Myrtti: thanks :)
[12:29] <Myrtti> "Select Best Server"
[12:29] <nucc1> i wish this thing chose the mirror based on locale :)
[12:29] <nucc1> it chose goscombe for me.
[12:30] <nucc1> pity their ISP stuff is too expensive
[13:26]  * diddledan just installed owncloud
[13:27] <nigelb> diddledan: It's pretty nice.
[13:27] <nigelb> Though, I've had issues with Android sync which I haven't been able to pin down.
[13:32] <diddledan> huh? ms are being rumoured to buy crackberry?!
[13:32] <diddledan> http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/is-microsoft-about-to-buy-blackberry--1294712
[13:36] <nigelb> They will serve the enterprise market gloriously.
[13:41] <TwistedLucidity> If you can't build a good product, destory the competition
[13:45] <brobostigon> as steve jobs vowed to do to google.
[13:46] <brobostigon> i mean, like he tried to do to google.
[14:37] <diddledan> so a colleague just got php to talk ntlm2 by making it pretend that it talks ntlm2
[14:37] <diddledan> he just fiddled with the flag that it embeds in the stream to say "yo I is totally a v2!"
[14:52] <bigcalm>  /ignore-on-twitter popey
[14:53] <diddledan> oh? is he twitting?
[14:53]  * diddledan fires-up the twittle
[14:54] <bigcalm> diddledan: he's trolling me, nothing out of the ordinary
[14:54] <diddledan> popey: +1
[14:54] <diddledan> :-p
[14:55] <popey> I am so not
[14:57] <bigcalm> Missread n as h
[14:58] <diddledan> I could try freaking shauno out by agreeing that popey is so hot
[14:58] <popey> heh
[14:58] <diddledan> shauno: are you at sea yet?
[14:59] <diddledan> I take that as a resounding yes
[15:00] <diddledan> obviously shauno sits around waiting for me to mention his name when he's not at sea
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> the ferries claim to have wifi though how sucky it is is another story
[15:42] <directhex> "X has wifi" is generally code for "X has a single 3G MiFi, shared amongst all users"
[15:43] <zmoylan-pi> pretty much.  though the ferries between uk and ireland have tried to up their game to compete with cheap airlines.  i do miss the hydrofoil service they had in 80s.  that looked coolest.
[15:50] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: seacat?
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> it's fast but not as exciting
[15:51] <directhex> or hoverspeed.
[15:51] <directhex> both companies died about 10 years ago
[15:51] <zmoylan-pi> hovercraft were seriously cool but once the chunnel came along...
[15:51] <zmoylan-pi> they wouldn't work on uk ireland route well enough to be reliable.  ditto northsea...
[15:53] <zmoylan-pi> both the russians the usa operate large landing hovercraft, the rest of the world seems to have given up on the tech sadly
[15:58] <intrbiz> the hydrofoils on lake garda were pretty neat
[15:59] <zmoylan-pi> my mother was a fan of the dublin -> liverpool run as the weather made it really exciting
[16:12] <ali1234> what's the best london transport map for android tablets?
[16:53] <diddledan> ali1234: is there not a TFL app?
[16:54] <diddledan> the oracle says: http://www.london24.com/entertainment/top_5_london_transport_apps_on_iphone_and_android_1_1180640
[16:54] <ali1234> this is the best one https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jamsoftltd.tubeassistant
[16:56] <ali1234> teh TfL one is rubbish
[17:38] <diddledan> how do you get owncloud to recognise filesystem changes that it didn't make itself
[17:41]  * diddledan maps mappps mapping
[18:09] <diddledan> popey: you've thrown a spanner in the works, haven't you! I can't decide whether to wait around for the potential secret sauce suggested by the workinprogress list in the wiki or drop a ton on the currently available e4.5
[18:10] <diddledan> e4.5 - not to be confused with a beauty cream
[18:14] <ali1234> wait for goku
[18:54] <popey> haha diddledan
[19:15] <davmor2> Back to a real timezone soon \o/
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> paris time \o/ :-D
[19:21] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: more the fact that I'm in orlando currently and will be so happy to be home now :D
[19:37] <jpds> http://www.ubuntu.com/ - cool.
[19:41] <diddledan> oooh
[19:56] <DJones> Hmmh, does that mean popey has "00" status, "008 3/4 Licenced to thrill"?
[22:42] <diddledan> ergh http://www.networkworld.com/article/2923882/opensource-subnet/ubuntus-shuttleworths-call-to-arms-in-open-source-stirs-up-controversy.html
[22:44] <intrbiz> diddledan: 'ergh' at the statement or article?
[22:44] <daftykins> what the KDE guy says makes sense
[22:46] <diddledan> it annoys me that ubuntu seems to be the new whipping boy
[22:46] <intrbiz> how competition works in regards to open source, seems somewhat taboo in the open source community
[22:46] <diddledan> as in the boy that get a royal flogging
[22:46] <intrbiz> diddledan: success = get whipped
[22:47] <diddledan> mark sums up well with "live and let live"
[22:48] <daftykins> it would be nicer if competing plans weren't made though
[22:48] <intrbiz> frankly it's ironic for mr shuttlecock to argue that we should all band together
[22:49] <intrbiz> for two reasons, a) that is not what he has practised, and b) (more importantly) people don't work that way
[22:50] <intrbiz> if we accept that competition (ie: forking in open source parlance) creates better results, then his statement is somewhat misguided
[22:51] <intrbiz> in addition I wouldn't have said that ubuntu get adversely criticised, when you consider its size
[22:54] <intrbiz> Bryan Lunduke's Linux Sucks talk is an interesting listen
[22:54] <diddledan> its time for me to snooze. nn
[22:55] <diddledan> ill try to remember to look him up tomorrow
[22:57] <intrbiz> IIRC Bryan Lunduke works for suse these days
[22:57] <daftykins> says right there on the page
[22:58] <intrbiz> hehe, tech me for skim reading everything
[23:13] <daftykins> :>
[23:13] <daftykins> not fond of this guy, watching the Linux sucks 2014
[23:13] <intrbiz> hehe
[23:13] <intrbiz> that was my reaction at first
[23:13] <daftykins> he does say to hold on for the second half though XD
[23:14] <intrbiz> hold out to the second half
[23:14] <daftykins> so i can let most of it slide, just not how 'muricans can't even pronounce ubuntu
[23:14] <intrbiz> it kinda explains the concept of the talk
[23:14] <intrbiz> once you dial back your rage, it makes sense
[23:14] <intrbiz> he's a bit jeremy clarkson IMHO
[23:22] <daftykins> i bet even he wouldn't like that comparison :>
[23:26] <intrbiz> which one
[23:26] <daftykins> maybe both
[23:26] <intrbiz> IMHO he is being deliberately inflamatory to demonstrate our internal biases