[05:40] <Etriaph> Anyone know how to force a window (from a specific application) to take focus when you switch to the desktop it's on?
[07:43] <xennex81> hiya, question. If support for 14.10 ends in July, does that mean the repos will go down too?
[07:44] <xennex81> or will it just be "end of updates stream"?
[07:44] <valorie> end of updates
[07:45] <valorie> even the very oldest ISOs are still available
[07:47] <xennex81> right, and the alternative is 14.04 point 2
[07:49] <xennex81> shame I don't have UEFI
[07:50] <valorie> what?
[07:50] <valorie> that causes problems
[07:52] <xennex81> I mean for dual booting, the Kubuntu installer can ostensibly install it right alongside the windows loader
[07:53] <xennex81> Now I have to use grub, but when I install Windows I won't have grub anymore, so I'll need to put grub on an usb stick prior to installing windows
[07:58] <xennex81> I am having a hard time choosing between 14.10, 14.04.2 and 15.04 on this computer, valorie
[07:58] <xennex81> 15.04 doesn't honour the Oxygen icons I have selected, which is a big problem for me, I cannot really work with the flat icons of Breeze
[07:59] <valorie> I wish I was daring enough to go for 15.10
[07:59] <valorie> ah, I like Breeze
[07:59] <xennex81> that is another option
[07:59] <valorie> change is good
[07:59] <xennex81> change is better, but it is not good ;-)
[07:59] <xennex81> haha
[07:59] <xennex81> besides, I haven't been a long Utopic or KDE 4 user ;-)
[07:59] <xennex81> I like being in the .10 versions
[08:00] <valorie> it all depends on what the change is from, and to
[08:00] <xennex81> So I am not yet Tired of KDE 4 look
[08:00] <xennex81> or Plasma 4 look
[08:00] <valorie> on grub -- yes, windows likes being first
[08:00] <xennex81> or Kubuntu 14.10 look
[08:00] <xennex81> which is it, lol
[08:01] <xennex81> is grub on usb stick a safe way to reboot into Linux?
[08:01] <valorie> not sure
[08:01] <xennex81> I merely have to do grub-install /dev/sdb
[08:01] <valorie> !grub
[08:01] <xennex81> thanks
[08:01] <valorie> see the docs for details
[08:05] <xennex81> it seems to be as easy as running grub-install from a live session
[08:05] <xennex81> I thought it would have required some chrooting or stuff like that :( :)
[08:07] <xennex81> going to try to reboot into the stick :)
[08:55] <xennex81> ha, guess what, I'm now in Ubuntu Server with kde-plasma-desktop installed :P
[08:57] <xennex81> I just don't know what it will do on reboot, whether it will start X
[09:05] <xennex81> boom KDE in Ubuntu Server
[09:06] <xennex81> and Konqueror is better than Dolphin (thus far)
[09:07] <xennex81> just no applications installed, but boohoo
[09:07] <xennex81> ;-)
[09:12] <xennex81> the kubuntu driver manager is kubuntu alone :/ :D
[09:13] <xennex81> this is fun
[09:18] <xennex81> the driver manager just doesn't proceed :(
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:44] <omerraja> Hello
[11:45] <KlassKlown> hi
[11:45] <omerraja> does anyone know a channel where we can discuss IT business analysis kinda stuff?
[11:50] <xennex81> So I installed ubuntu server and then eventually kubuntu-desktop
[11:50] <xennex81> as I couldn't get my sound to work, but maybe it would just have needed a reboot
[11:51] <xennex81> I installed the nvidia driver from "edgers" PPA
[11:52] <xennex81> At this point the Kubuntu driver manager now wants to install it AGAIN not knowing about the already-installed version.
[11:53] <BluesKaj> xennex81,those are graphics drivers, and will failaftger kernel upgrades because edgers doesn't keep them updated
[11:53] <BluesKaj> fast enough
[11:53] <xennex81> hehe
[11:53] <xennex81> the Kubuntu utility didn't work before I had installed kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <xennex81> or I would have used it
[11:54] <xennex81> it is now installing 352
[11:54] <BluesKaj> well you do need kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <xennex81> (installing 352 from the Kubuntu utility)
[11:55] <xennex81> it is fun being in Ubuntu Server but at this point there is not much of a difference anymore, except the initrd
[11:55] <BluesKaj> did you revert to 14.10?
[11:55] <xennex81> yes this is currently Ubuntu Server 14.10 but I am really planning to install 14.04.2
[11:56] <xennex81> I just had an ISO lying around (on DVD)
[11:56] <xennex81> so this is a test install currently.....
[11:56] <BluesKaj> xennex81, which nvidia card ?
[11:56] <xennex81> it feels much more comfy than 15.04 but not really comfy enough...
[11:57] <xennex81> that is GT 640
[11:57] <xennex81> I first installed the driver from the nvidia site but it wouldn't install the 32-bit version (driver) because of ..ialibs32 missing?
[11:57] <xennex81> I didn't know how to proceed so I went Edgers
[11:58] <xennex81> 32-bit GLX direct rendering did not work
[11:58] <xennex81> I don't know enough about this system, keep skipping steps
[11:58] <xennex81> at least I made notes about Edgers
[11:59] <xennex81> the 32-bit build environment for the kernel module was not there, I believe.
[11:59] <xennex81> ialibs32 was a transitional package that was removed?
[12:00] <xennex81> now the network manager icon thinks I am disconnected or have a problem but my internet works fine
[12:00] <BluesKaj> why 32 bit?
[12:00] <xennex81> Stream requires 32-bit
[12:00] <xennex81> Steam*
[12:00] <BluesKaj> oh yeah games
[12:00] <xennex81> it is a compatibility layer or something like that
[12:01] <BluesKaj> you can run 32 bit apps on 64 bit architecture
[12:01] <xennex81> the driver from nVidia warned me about it, and it provided an command line option to specify the directory, but I had no idea where to get it from
[12:01] <xennex81> or what it was even
[12:01] <xennex81> the Edgers thing installs it, and the Kubuntu helper also installs it
[12:02] <xennex81> whatever 32 bit libs are required for that
[12:02] <xennex81> I believe under the hood it does the same thing as the nVidia driver package, ie. build a kernel module based on existing sources and DKMS
[12:02] <xennex81> but the nVidia installer requires you to go to single user mode (or exit the X server)
[12:03] <xennex81> then it will disable the nouveau driver and so on
[12:03] <xennex81> i still like being on Ubuntu Server, it feels more solid
[12:03] <xennex81> but it is almost Kubuntu now
[12:04] <xennex81> the installer is great, the textmode installer
[12:05] <xennex81> kde-plasma-desktop allows a selection between LightDM and KDM
[12:05] <xennex81> almost nothing is installed, ie. I had to install kmix, kdemultimedia, ksnapshot, kdeplasma-addons
[12:06] <BluesKaj> if you have 64 bit ubuntu-server , multiarch should work , and install kde-userspace
[12:06] <xennex81> I think i'm in trouble with the nVidia driver now
[12:06] <xennex81> okay
[12:06] <xennex81> the driver is now jumping back to Nouveau driver I believe.
[12:07] <xennex81> but I'll reboot see what goes.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> actually I meant kde-workspace
[12:25] <xennex81> nvidia driver works as intended, no more notifications/buggings either
[12:26] <xennex81> sound also works
[12:26] <xennex81> but now Quassel doesn't work
[12:26] <xennex81> complains about SQLite missing
[12:28] <xennex81> of all things Quassel fails to work...
[12:29] <xennex81> this blows my hat off
[12:29] <xennex81> oh, config issue with plasma5 probably
[12:30] <xennex81> yup :)
[12:31] <xennex81_> Quassel is not that amazing, but yeah you gotta have something
[12:32] <xennex81_> But now BluesKaj I'm still left with the choice of what to install. I had a ride on Ubuntu Server 14.10 and I like it better than Kubuntu 15.04, but Now I have a Weird INITRD and nothing good is come of Ubuntu Server yet, I've had to install kubuntu-desktop anyway, I just feel safer in Ubuntu-Server but that's all there is to it.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> xennex81_,  actually I meant install kde-workspace
[12:33] <xennex81_> okay
[12:33] <xennex81_> it is probably installed right now
[12:33] <BluesKaj> maybe not
[12:33] <xennex81> it is
[12:33] <xennex81_> :)
[12:34] <xennex81_> it's put on automatic, so it could have come along with kubuntu-desktop
[12:35] <xennex81_> anyway, I feel the richer for it, but I'm gonna get some food
[12:35] <xennex81_> be back in 30 I guess
[12:35] <xennex81_> I still want to do Server 14.04.2
[12:35] <xennex81_> and just stick to that for a while
[12:35] <xennex81_> I just wish it was a more complete product (everything)
[12:35] <xennex81_> I am left always with dangling things
[12:35] <xennex81_> such as screenshots not working correctly from KSnapshot
[12:35] <xennex81_> I just filed a bug report
[12:36] <xennex81_> Oxygen screenshots of a single window do not work
[12:36] <xennex81_> as intented, they include a very large border margin due to window decorations, and the option to turn off the window decorations in the screenshot (snapshot) does not work at all.
[12:37] <xennex81_> I feel I'm in the midst of a development effort and we're already in a newer version that might work completely different.
[12:37] <xennex81_> And now there is also this "Snappy" thing that I feel is going to ruin Ubuntu for a large margin
[12:38] <xennex81_> I don't see good on the horizon and Windows has already gone down a pretty dead road... but now Ubuntu might in the end do the same, and then what are we left with?
[12:38] <xennex81_> There is scarcely any alternative to Ubuntu and it is not in good hands....
[12:39] <xennex81_> sure improvements are nice but.... I see improvements on the horizon all the time that are detriments.
[12:39] <xennex81_> python 3 was not even accepted by the community, sqlite 3 was scarcely accepted I believe
[12:39] <xennex81_> only PHP is doing well
[12:40] <xennex81_> because it blew off the 6 release
[12:40] <xennex81_> and stuck to 5, just backporting good stuff
[12:41] <xennex81_> people improve stuff in a bad direction, anyway my bananas are gone, I need food ;-)
[12:41] <xennex81_> bye
[13:15] <netrunner_> gltron
[13:15] <netrunner_> good game
[13:16] <soee> :)
[14:18] <mertozbek> herkese selam
[14:22] <mertozbek> bir sorum olucaktı :)
[14:28] <montana-house> hi there
[14:28] <montana-house> got a question about kubuntu 14.04, anyone in here that can help?
[14:30] <soee> just ask
[14:30] <montana-house> i've been searching the internet for two days now, but I can't find a good tutorial about how to install themes i've downloaded
[14:32] <montana-house> I got myself 'papirus' theme and icons, but it comes in .zip and it seems I can't get it to work. I've unpacked it but when I add new theme it doesnt work
[14:33] <montana-house> I pasted it in the hidden .kde folder, under icons
[14:33] <montana-house> whatever I do, can't choose it
[14:35] <montana-house> it's papirus-plasma-theme-master.tar.gz
[14:35] <montana-house> already changed it to .tar.gz
[14:36] <BluesKaj> montana-house, I use unp to extract zip files in the terminal , works well ...also you're navigating the file in "install from file" and the theme isn't loading into the theme list?
[14:36] <montana-house> no it isn't loading
[14:37] <BluesKaj> which theme is it, so we can see what's wrong
[14:37] <BluesKaj> from kde-look I assume
[14:37] <montana-house> i get the following message: not a valid picto theme
[14:38] <montana-house> it's papirus-plasma-theme-master.tar.gz
[14:38] <montana-house> the icons are papirus icons
[14:38] <montana-house> https://opendesktop.org/content/show.php/Papirus+icon+theme?content=169962&PHPSESSID=a0c13709630d04da9c88365311398243
[14:41] <danger_> hi, can anyone tell me how to map Windows+D to display the desktop in Kubuntu and to map pressing the Windows key to open the "K" menu?
[14:46] <montana-house> do you see what is wrong blueskaj?
[14:51] <montana-house> or anyone?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> montana-house, having trouble with DL , the adblock is disabled but nothing happens, and i don't want to sign into an acct just foe one apps
[14:52] <BluesKaj> for one app
[14:53] <montana-house> well then let's do it in general
[14:53] <montana-house> you see a nice theme or icon package. It comes in .zip
[14:53] <danger_> Just to answer my own question you can do it in system settings under keyboard shortcuts
[14:53] <montana-house> what can you do next to install it right
[14:53] <montana-house> which packages do you need to paste in to loading new theme or something
[14:55] <BluesKaj> montana-house, system settings>icons>theme click on 'install theme file' , then navigate to where it downloaded, probly ~/Downloads
[14:56] <montana-house> the extracted map?
[14:56] <montana-house> or the .tar.gz?
[14:56] <montana-house> do I need to unpack/extract it first
[14:57] <montana-house> because in both situations I get the mssg that is not a valid pictotheme
[14:57] <BluesKaj> extract the tar.gz then you should have a folder with the theme file
[14:57] <BluesKaj> extract here
[14:57] <BluesKaj> it will probly extract to /home/user
[14:58] <montana-house> can I extract it in personal?
[14:58] <montana-house> downloads
[14:59] <montana-house> how does a theme file look like?
[14:59] <montana-house> index.theme ??
[15:01] <BluesKaj> what file extensions do you see there
[15:01] <montana-house> .svg
[15:01] <omerraja> Hello any freelancers here?
[15:02] <montana-house> do I need to download a program to recognize the index.theme file?
[15:02] <montana-house> because that is the only other file than .svg that's in the map
[15:02] <montana-house> folder
[15:03] <BluesKaj> svg would be it
[15:03] <BluesKaj> afaik
[15:04] <montana-house> but there are like 500 .svg files
[15:04] <montana-house> I think .svg are all the icons in there
[15:05] <BluesKaj> normally I stick with the default icon themes in kde , so I'm not really up to speed on icon themes
[15:06] <montana-house> do I need to download gnome tweak tool?
[15:06] <montana-house> I'm such a noob in these things
[15:06] <BluesKaj> omerraja, freelancers?
[15:06] <montana-house> just started working with kubuntu two days a go
[15:07] <omerraja> BluesKaj people working on there own
[15:07] <omerraja> their*
[15:10] <BluesKaj> omerraja, doing what"?
[15:10] <omerraja> anything
[15:10] <BluesKaj> omerraja, you have the wrong chat, this is for Kubuntu support
[15:11] <omerraja> new to IRC
[15:11] <omerraja> sorry
[15:11] <omerraja> :x
[15:25] <excalibr> COuld you recommend me a decent alternative calc app. I'm looking for one that has buuilt in unit converter feature
[15:25] <montana-house> is there anyone who can help me with installing themes?
[15:59] <_lore__> hi all
[15:59] <_lore__> how are you?
[16:00] <_lore__> one brief question, I upgraded from kubuntu 14.10 to 15.04 and I have an issue with mouse cursor
[16:00] <_lore__> it is not shown at bootstrap
[16:01] <_lore__> untill I open a widget or application, like chrome
[16:02] <_lore__> I have an old nvidia card (GeForce 9200)
[16:02] <_lore__> does anyoune have faced that issue?
[16:02] <_lore__> *anyone
[16:04] <BluesKaj> _lore__, have you installed the rcommended driver in system settings>driver manager?
[16:05] <_lore__> hi BluesKaj
[16:05] <_lore__> do you mean nvidia propietary driver?
[16:05] <_lore__> I am running nouveau driver
[16:06] <_lore__> it was running fine with 14.10
[16:06] <BluesKaj> hi _lore__  recommended that is
[16:06] <_lore__> ok, I will try the propiertary one
[16:07] <BluesKaj> it's not proprietary
[16:07] <BluesKaj> if it's in the repos
[16:07] <_lore__> thx
[17:14] <sn33zy> how do i change my dns settings?
[17:20] <sn33zy> i mean i found this  https://www.kubuntuforums.net/archive/index.php/t-66269.html  but i cant find the wrench
[17:20] <sn33zy> noticing this is dated for kubuntu 13.10... and now im using 15.04
[17:22] <sn33zy> woops... so can anyone answer my dns question?
[19:15] <Graf_Westerholt> Oi!
[19:17] <Graf_Westerholt> Google Earth “freeze” when I enter Street View. It starts to need more and more RAM until the system hang.
[19:20] <shurtagul> so ktorrent isnt starting anything when I add it is anyone else getting this?
[19:23] <OerHeks> shurtagul, torrents might take some time to get started.
[19:24] <shurtagul> okay.. I did try to force start them, I restarted kubuntu and some stuff. I guess Ill leave them their awhile
[19:24] <OerHeks> official torrents should start in a minute or so. others i cannot tell, that depends on the availability
[19:25] <OerHeks> official = http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[19:26] <Walex> shurtagul: torrents start when some "seeds" are available. no seeds, no start.
[19:26] <Walex> Graf_Westerholt: probably depends on browser bugs
[19:27] <Graf_Westerholt> Walex, Google Earth is a software, not a Webbrowser.
[19:31] <shurtagul> Walex: the torrents have seeds
[19:32] <shurtagul> one of them shows 0(2780) the rest show 0(0) but they all have seeds
[19:33] <shurtagul> And the same ones worked on a different machine
[19:40] <casablanca> hello
[19:42] <shurtagul> updated them now they all show seeds
[19:46] <casablanca> hello
[19:56] <casablanca> I am looking for people interested in working with a tech startup, I have a small setup almost ready, need somebody who can bring in work from his or her local market preferably UK, US & Europe. I currently have resources for Software development, Web Apps, Mobile apps IOS Android both and graphic design. The facility is in South Asia, Resources are hired at comparatively very low costs as compared to UK, US & Europe so both
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[22:49] <juhele> Hi guys :-)
[22:50] <juhele> Does anybody of you have problems with system lagging after upgrade to Plasma 5?
[23:01] <Ninjahmahs> yes juhele
[23:01] <Ninjahmahs> i tried using cinnamon on kubuntu to see if was any smoother
[23:02] <Ninjahmahs> im now about to reinstall another distro tbh
[23:02] <Ninjahmahs> kubuntu is great, but this current release is just in need of some work tbh
[23:03] <juhele> Ninjahmahs: bad news for me. Not sure whether this is Plasma5 problem or distro related.
[23:04] <Ninjahmahs> had a lot of app crashes, and when i tried to send debug reports, debug files would not update and i couldnt even send reports without a lot of faffing around so im back to something a little more stable
[23:04] <Ninjahmahs> its a bit of both
[23:04] <Ninjahmahs> plasma was crashing all over the place for me,
[23:04] <Ninjahmahs> just in general use
[23:04] <Ninjahmahs> after trying to use cinnamon things got really interesting lol
[23:05] <juhele> I also have Lubuntu on my other machine and it is fine but too light for me. Used on KDE.
[23:05] <Ninjahmahs> yeh im going back to mint for now, maybe even going to try out bbqlinux
[23:06] <Ninjahmahs> (using linux mainly to build android) so
[23:07] <Ninjahmahs> talking of which, off to reinstall :/
[23:07] <Ninjahmahs> lol
[23:07] <juhele> Hmm. I have it as my working OS and chose *buntu because of the large app base - no time to compile apps for me.
[23:21] <Ninjahmahs> im not compiling apps, im more on about compiling android os itself
[23:21] <Ninjahmahs> from source
[23:27] <juhele> Ok. Posted some details to forum so will see. Hope there will be other solution than changing a distro.
[23:30] <MichaelP> Is 15.04 full KF5 Plasma5 or is it still mixed with kde4 ?
[23:36] <juhele> I think that 15.04 has full Plasma 5
[23:37] <Ninjahmahs> plasma 5 and kde
[23:37] <Ninjahmahs> doesnt plasma sit on kde?
[23:39] <juhele> I think that Plasma is desktop for KDE
[23:41] <juhele> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_4
[23:43] <MichaelP> Netrunner 16 is plasma 5. But it still using kde.baseapps4.. Netrunner 16 comes from kubuntu 15.04 so it not full kf5 plasma5
[23:44] <juhele> ok, good night guys. :-)
[23:44] <MichaelP> just realised that
[23:44] <Ninjahmahs> later, im off to reinstall
[23:45] <MichaelP> reinstall always full
[23:45] <MichaelP> fun
[23:45] <Ninjahmahs> tbh
[23:45] <Ninjahmahs> i dont even know i want mint on
[23:46] <Ninjahmahs> but kubuntus been acting up a lot from begining and when i put cinnamon on top its just gotten stressful lol
[23:47] <MichaelP> I alway spend time trying get vlc play video's right.. Then today i realised.. Ati vlc linux don't like 1080 video's to well
[23:47] <Ninjahmahs> i was gonna try out an arch distro bbqlinux but it would mean learning so much again
[23:47] <MichaelP> Arch not hard
[23:47] <Ninjahmahs> probably not
[23:48] <Ninjahmahs> until everyone your talking to about android compile issues cant help cos they only know ubuntu
[23:48] <Ninjahmahs> XD
[23:48] <MichaelP> i do arch install in about 20 minutes
[23:48] <Ninjahmahs> its not the install im worried about
[23:48] <Ninjahmahs> i know google can save all but
[23:49] <Ninjahmahs> right im out, putting mint on, then gonna look at bbq dload and maybe try it out on a live boot
[23:49] <Ninjahmahs> peace
[23:49] <MichaelP> there irc cannel can be full of ass's alot times
[23:50] <Ninjahmahs> lol
[23:50] <Ninjahmahs> sounds like open source channels in general
[23:50] <Ninjahmahs> :P
[23:50] <Ninjahmahs> you find great people
[23:50] <Ninjahmahs> then you find complete dbaggery
[23:50] <MichaelP> yeah true... but a lot of them say read the wiki
[23:51] <Ninjahmahs> like you didnt get to the irc after reading half a tonne of wiki
[23:51] <Ninjahmahs>  laters
[23:51] <Ninjahmahs> :P
[23:51] <MichaelP> right
[23:51] <MichaelP> have fun
[23:51] <Ninjahmahs> thanks lol