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Guest13971does anyone know how to install gcc for kubuntu 15.02?01:42
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QwikDoes anyone know how to set up the /etc/grub.d/40_custom file for grub4dos? Im trying to install by getting Windows' efi to boot the setup.exe02:51
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ryonaloli_is there any way to get kubuntu live cd to be more light-weight upon bootup? i have to open it with 512 MB of RAM in an ancient 500 MHz laptop in a virtual machine, so that i can use kwallet to extract some passwords..03:25
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xennex81_haha08:27
xennex81_don't call people trolls, it is not nice08:27
xennex81_everyone has issues, a troll is nothing special ;-) :P08:28
xennex81_valorie :P08:28
xennex81_I'm actually much more happy in 14.10 but still not very08:31
xennex81_not the way I was happy in Windows 7 before the TrueCrypt madness, and actually I was more happy than that in Windows XP as long as that lasted.08:33
xennex81_I don't know.08:33
xennex81_what kind of "support" is still ongoing for 14.04? Do new versions arive? Are bugs fixed? Or only backported bugs?08:37
valoriexennex81_: I don't think you were here for our special visit08:39
valoriefor 14.04 there are security updates of course, and also backports when there is testing08:40
valorieso if you want backports, do some testing08:40
valoriewindows -- I hate win7 actually08:41
valoriehave to use my husband's box to pay bills, and it is one horrible chore08:41
xennex81_hehe, but you are probably well-settled in Kubuntu ;-)09:02
xennex81_in Kubuntu land09:02
xennex81_your special visit? :D09:02
valorieyes, I've been using kubuntu for many years09:07
valoriehusband is hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, leaving me a widow for a half-year09:08
omerrajahello09:47
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voicu!fastboot10:34
voicudoes anyone know if ubuntu (or linux in general) has support for fastboot?10:36
xennex81_don't even know what it is ;-).10:52
ahoxHi, I have a rathe rannoying bug, my mouse emmits a left-buttn press (xev: ButtonPress event, serial 40, state 0x2000, button 1 whenever I stop moving the mouse. How do i change that?11:15
crakhi all11:25
craki am using kubuntu 15.04. adding a new entry into k menu works but i can't add an icon. the 'browse' button does not show up a dialog window. can anyone confirm this problem?11:27
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BluesKajHey folks12:21
netrunner_fuck you NS12:58
netrunner_NSA12:58
BluesKajnetrunner_, that kind of statement and language isn't necessary here13:00
netrunner_where is the finfisherman??come out13:00
xennex81_I think it is wholly necessary, it is just inappropriate :P13:02
Graf_WesterholtNSA does not read this statement, they have a filter that deletes this statement. :D13:03
metallicNSA = native speakers of Arab?13:05
Graf_Westerholtmetallic, no, it is “network storage access”13:06
BluesKajnetrunner seems to be in china so he probly doesn't understand what this chat is about13:06
xennex81_it's about girls, and women, too.13:13
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xennex81BluesKaj: I'm going to be installing Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 now with then kubuntu-desktop on top of it13:16
xennex81that was my original desire (with 14.10) but I have no feel for installing a distribution that will be supported for only 2 more months13:16
xennex81I'm not sure what the differences will be between this 14.10 and that 14.04.213:16
xennex81It's a bit weird to mix server with desktop though....13:17
xennex81Maybe later on I'll go with 15.10 and hope that will work.13:17
ejayhi all13:18
BluesKajxennex81, why not just install kubuntu 14.04.2 LTS ? why the server again? I've forgotten13:18
xennex81I just feel happy about the server ;-)13:19
xennex81and besides I'd have to burn another disk :S13:20
xennex81Gives me a more solid feel to it :-/13:20
xennex81Having a server installed, even though almost nothing remains of it, except the login message13:20
xennex81and a different installation environment13:21
xennex81I wanted to do the server install back in februari I believe on my laptop, but I couldn't get my wifi working and I didn't know about w3m and because of that couldn't get a http link going13:21
xennex81links and lynx weren't installed13:22
xennex81and how do you find a program that you don't know the name of?13:22
xennex81yes, you write a script that does "whatis" on every program in /usr/bin ;-)13:22
xennex81and then you scan the resulting list for "web browser" :P13:23
xennex81alright, time to get it going13:25
xennex81brb "be RIGHT back ;-)" let's see how long it takes :P13:26
BluesKajuhm , look in the software center or install muon package manager to find installed apps13:26
xennex81it is 15:30 now13:26
xennex81yes but I had a Server install with only text-mode interface ;-)13:26
xennex81and I was trying to get kubuntu-desktop on it13:26
xennex81and I couldn't manage, or I would have done that for 14.10 months ago13:26
xennex81and would probably still have had my laptop, but that aside13:26
xennex81I broke it some time ago13:27
xennex81threw it to the floor13:27
xennex81in rage13:27
xennex81I guess13:27
ejayguys, got question. when can we expect new plasma update for kubuntu 15?13:27
xennex81and to clear my mind13:27
xennex81you mean to say ejay when will plasma 5.3 arrive in 15.04?13:28
BluesKajin a week or 2, ejay plasma 5.3.1 i believe13:28
xennex81you are a nice person BluesKaj13:28
ejayBluesKaj thank you.13:29
xennex81and the only one who chats other than Valorie or perhaps soee_ or lordievader13:29
BluesKajejay, for 5.3 there's a ppa on launchpad13:30
xennex81okay going to reboot into the installer for server 15.04.213:30
xennex81brb13:30
BluesKajejay, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports13:30
ejayBluesKaj: I rather stay with stable stuff. But, yeah, thanks for link. It's not like I really want to see whats new in plasma - just courious.13:33
ejaythanks for the link*13:33
BluesKajejay, actually installing plsama 5.3 made my install more stable than 5.213:34
BluesKajerr plasma13:34
ejayBluesKaj: my installation is stable right now and I've got everything I need and I'm one of those "if it's working - don't change it" kind of person. ;)13:35
BluesKajok , ejay, understood13:36
ejaythere is just one bug that's drive me crazy - this one with kate and dolphin when you are opening more then one file and I'm really looking forward to get rid of it, but beside this I'm cool with current version of plasma.13:37
BluesKajejay, there are bugs that should be fixed once plasma 4 apps are no longer required to run in plsama 5 environment, like dolphin13:43
xennex81my 14.04.2 Ubuntu Server image is broken, it tries to mount all sorts of devices to /media and keeps failing.13:43
xennex81very weird, I have no recourse but to just use Kubuntu 14.04.2  then13:44
xennex81what's the big difference between plasma 4 and 5 really?13:46
BluesKajlook and links mostly13:49
xennex81but if it is only a looks thing then surely they would not have crafted a completely new platform??13:50
xennex81sometimes I don't know why people do what they do anyway...13:53
Tin_manHello all, i'm using kubuntu 9.4 on an old Compaq with 256MB memory, runs fairly good, but i've seemed to messed up my task bar, and don't know how to get my programs that I've got open to show on the task bar, I can still alt-tab to them, but there not on the bar, any idea how to get them back?13:54
ejay xennex81 well they changed API to make everything cleaner and more powerful. Also - they are, probably, learning and a lot of things they found not as good as they thought they will be. And that's why they made new framework. This is my IMHO.13:56
ejayxennex81: ^ it's almost in english. Hope you will get what I mean. :P13:57
xennex81I mean I have a feel to it that the changes are good, I just don't know what they are. Scarcely anyone in FOSS really spends time really documenting and selling the system.13:57
BluesKajxennex81, dunno what the underlying structure is tiplasma 5is vs plasma4 and I don't care to speculate, I'm just telling what I see on the surface.13:57
xennex81BluesKaj: burning my Kubuntu 14.04.2 disc now.... hope I can install that one. Multiple users on the interwebs had the same issue I had with Ubuntu Server 14.04.213:58
BluesKajerr underlying structure is to plasma 5 vs plasma413:58
ejayxennex81: if they changed whole (??) API and you can't spot any difference but better performance then they are doin' a good job.13:59
sbivolTin_man: try to move the file /home/sergiu/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc to a backup location, then logout and login. it should help. please report back13:59
sbivolsorry, the file would be ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc13:59
xennex81I would love to read documents on architectural design but they are scarce to be had, I believe........13:59
xennex81BluesKaj: some solved it by disabling FDD and manually mounting the CD14:00
xennex81BBL14:00
Tin_mank14:01
BluesKajejay, the devs also dumped some of the more complex links like separate wallpapers for each desktop14:02
BluesKajI heard a lot of talk about simplificatiion by the devs14:02
ejayBluesKaj: yeah, this and many other smaller things that we are got used to but I's prolly not as important as makeing this whole mess not explode while using it. ;)14:03
Tin_manviewing home but don't see an /sergiu folder and i've got view hidden on14:05
Tin_manno such file or directory in bash14:12
Tin_manokay looking kinda cooking and keep track here also sorry.14:14
blyethow do i disable the black bar sliding up when having the cursor at the bottom14:23
sbivolTin_man: /home/sergiu would be my home folder, just look for some file called plasma-desktop-appletsrc in .kde/share/config/, which is hidden inside your Home folder14:29
netrunner_nash died14:42
BluesKajnetrunner_, do you have a kubuntu support question?14:45
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no-passwordi just donwloaded and copied in the usb the KUBUNT LIVE SESSION to show it to a friends.. When i booted with it, on the loggin screen asks me for a password.. Blank password is not allowed..15:06
no-passwordhow come there is this hindrance to linux-newbies like me?15:07
BluesKajno-password, how did you copy the kubuntu image to the usb ?15:12
no-passwordwith the Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.6.015:13
no-passwordfrom windows 8.115:13
no-passwordand i am trying to boot on a broken-ubuntu laptop15:13
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xennex81heya15:59
xennex81BluesKaj: Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 wouldn't install, and Kubuntu 14.04.2 wouldn't boot after install15:59
xennex81seriously15:59
xennex81now I'm back in Kubuntu 14.1016:00
xennex81(How I hate the sound of the DVD running in the live session ;-))16:00
xennex81the live sessions ;-)16:00
xennex81now I'm back in 14.10.... that I've used for some time on my laptop16:03
metallicxennex81: you installed Kubuntu on your laptop?16:03
xennex81earlier16:04
metallicand it didn't boot?16:04
xennex8114.04.2 that I just installed here on this computer would not boot16:04
metallicwhere did you place the bootloader?16:04
xennex81it kept stuck at a "Starting Reading ahead files. (For other mounts)"16:05
xennex81bootloader was fine, it just got stuck booting16:05
metallicmmm... Did you checked the partition(s) were large enough to host Kubuntu?16:06
xennex81of course, this current install uses the exact same partition setup, but it does boot16:06
metallic:/16:06
xennex81I'm a bit disappointed though, I wanted something new, and now I have the same old same old16:07
metallicWeird16:07
xennex81and I hope I don't run into the same issues16:07
xennex81and no support after 2 monhts16:07
xennex81months*16:07
metallicxennex81: the partition which host the root (/), did you formatted it?16:08
metallicduring the installation process?16:08
metallichosts*16:09
xennex81yes I am pretty sure I formatted it16:09
metallic...16:09
metallicI am running out of ideas16:09
xennex81Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 also wouldn't boot during the installer, or rather, it would not advance due to a mount issue16:09
xennex81maybe this was a mount issue also16:10
xennex81beh, I wanted something new16:10
BluesKajare you using / amd /home partitions, xennex81 ?16:10
metallicit certainly is odd16:10
BluesKajamd=and16:11
xennex81yes But I wiped them both16:11
BluesKajusually just installing to / works16:11
xennex81ooh nice Edgers gives access to the newest nVidia drivers16:11
xennex81I now have 50GB windows,  50GB free, LVM of 130GB with root swap and home, and another 230GB orso of free space at the end for data16:12
metallicevery time I hear/read NVidia the image of Linus raising his second finger comes to my mind16:12
xennex81hehe16:12
xennex81Linus is a bad boy :P16:12
metallicwait, LVM?16:13
metallicWhat is that ?16:13
xennex81haha16:13
xennex81logical volume manager16:13
xennex81i always use it for linux partitions16:13
xennex81but it can't be a problem16:13
xennex81oh and there's a windows boot partition (windows is not installed at present) at the very beginning16:14
xennex81I'm not sure my partition setup doesn't have anything to do with it but it can also normally not be an issue16:14
blyethow do i disable the black space when moving the cursor over the edges16:16
metallicwell, I use normal partitions on a drive with an msdos partition table and it works, xennex8116:16
xennex81you mean you have used 14.04.2?16:16
metallicCurrently I have 3 Debian derived OSes16:17
metallicso... :/16:17
xennex81I mean particularly 14.04 point TWO16:17
metallicI have 14.something16:17
metallicwait16:17
xennex81not that I have tried to the others, but....16:17
xennex81blyet: do you mean in what Kubuntu version? 14.04? 14.10? 15.04?16:18
xennex81I just wanted a LTS version now since I don't like 15.04 so much, but I wanted a new version that I hadn't tried before16:19
xennex81a few hours ago I still had a test install of Ubuntu Server 14.1016:19
xennex81I liked that better than what I have now, but I wasn't going to go back to it16:19
metallicxennex81: I am using right now Kubuntu 14.04, Kinfocentre16:19
xennex81yes but I used an ISO of the .2 release, it could have been different in the installer16:19
xennex81in any case16:19
xennex81I had a loading screen16:19
xennex81no16:19
xennex81first my monitor went to standby16:20
xennex81on booting16:20
xennex81then after pressing esc, I got a screen with the list of started or starting services16:20
xennex81that list was populated with a lot of starting but also a lot of stopping16:20
metallicmy ISO says 14.04.216:20
xennex81e.g. starting whatever... and then after that.... stopping whatever16:20
metallicso right now I am using Kubuntu 14.04.2 :/16:20
xennex81almost everything that got started, also got stopped16:20
xennex81I considered that odd16:20
xennex81okay16:20
xennex81maybe it is correct, and I don't know enough about it, and that is my biggest problem with Kubuntu now16:21
xennex81I can't learn about it because everything has already been done for me16:21
xennex81in Ubuntu Server at least I had to figure out how to manually install all the needed packages and it was a lean system16:21
xennex81that was fun16:21
xennex81this isn't so16:21
metallicxennex81: I would say it has something to do with the LVM thingy, since I have done this process several times with different GNU/linux systems and never got such results16:21
xennex81LVM is automatically loaded / mapped by the kernel or the initrd16:22
xennex81I can't see why an older version (14.04) would have a problem with that16:22
xennex81and I also don't know what went wrong16:22
xennex81let me reboot in a sec, see if I see the same messages or not16:22
BluesKajpersonally i don't see the point of lvm for home use if one has a 15G / and the remainder a /home partitions . one just needs to autoe=remove autoclean once in a while to prevent / from becoming full16:24
xennex81back16:25
xennex81definitely not seeing the same messages at all, I hardly see any boot messages in this 14.10 image16:25
xennex81I just get a text-mode interface16:25
xennex81text-mode splash screen16:26
xennex81If I press ESC I see very little in terms of messages16:26
xennex81so I can't compare, they changed that16:26
xennex81if there's no one here who knows about that, I don't know where to go16:26
xennex81I feel a bit handicapped in Linux because the graphical tools are not up to par with Windows and I have to do everything almost via the console16:27
metallicI am reading about LVM but... I don't think that is necessary for your purposes16:27
BluesKajyou are using the text install for a server edition are you not ?16:27
xennex81rI don't care16:27
xennex81I don't care*... erm... for the server yes16:28
xennex81but not for Kubuntu 14.04.216:28
xennex81(I don't want to have a zillion partitions running around ;-))16:28
xennex81I already have 3 primary and 2 logical now16:28
xennex81plus 3 LVM inside the logical LVM16:28
BluesKajnevermind I have no idea what you're talking abouit then ...sounds to me like you're just making it difficult for yourself16:29
xennex81BluesKaj: the text install for Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 had issues that were also prevalent on the internet, they were reported (mount issues)16:29
xennex81BluesKaj: but my current thing is.... that I installed 14.04.2 successfully (Kubuntu 14.04.2) and it would not get past booting16:30
xennex81which is just too bad, but I installed Kubuntu 14.10 now I am supposed to be happy with it for a while again ;-)16:31
xennex81BluesKaj: I first attempted Ubuntu Server install. Booting into the installer failed. I could select my languge, but nothing else. It kept stuck at a certain error message. "mounting ..... on /media". Many users experienced that problem apparently. After that, with no other recourse at that point, I installed Kubuntu 14.04.2. That worked, but the system wouldn't boot, or wouldn't boot in a normal way at least. So I had nothing to go for that. At that16:34
xennex81point I just bailed and installed 14.10 again16:34
metallicxennex81: my partition table http://pasteboard.co/HKMWZ3K.png16:35
metallicand I don't get "crazy"16:35
metallicas BluesKaj says, I think you are making it too difficult :/16:35
xennex81I just don't want extra partitions that are hard to move around or modify16:36
xennex81for swap etc16:37
xennex81LVM works fine in Linux, you just can't read it with Windows16:37
xennex81and it is more difficult to setup with the graphical installer (or, not at all)16:37
xennex81they just badly designed the Linux boot process that it fails on every error and often hangs on stuff that keeps waiting forever16:38
metallicI don't think you need to resize a partition too often either :/16:38
xennex81there is no overlaying process that supervises when something gets stuck16:38
xennex81depends on whether you have space enough ;-)16:38
xennex81I sometimes want to create another root fs and stuff like that16:39
xennex81but now it is just so that everything is neat16:39
xennex81and it works perfectly in Kubuntu 14.10, besides, it is also required for encryption etc.16:39
xennex81it's just what I like, not very difficult.16:39
xennex81hrm... how can I assign a shortcut key to an application (like dolphin)?16:42
metallicxennex81: you mean a shortcut to cause the application to launch?16:42
metallicthere is something for that on the system settings16:43
xennex81okay works you have to get a custom shortcut operating from there16:45
xennex81I would expect it to be done in the application menu, first thought16:45
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xennex81I like my Windows shortcuts :)16:47
xennex81I hope I can stick to this current setup I have before I start changing it again :(16:49
xennex81everything is a work in progress it seems16:49
xennex81the downside of using Linux, everything is shifty all the time16:49
xennex81my current setup doesn't feel very stable :( ....16:50
xennex81:S16:50
xennex81i mean16:50
xennex81oh well16:51
xennex81how can I do CD ripping in Linux? Last time I tried I could not find a KDE applicaiton16:52
xennex81except KSoundConvertor16:52
xennex81SoundKonverter it is16:57
Mamarokxennex81: default is k3b17:27
Mamarokand very easy to find, in the menu, just look for CD burning17:28
xennex81for ripping?17:30
Mamarokthe same applications can be use for ripping and for burning17:31
Mamarokand even easier: mount the CD in Dolphin and copy to a folder, it will rip in the format you want17:33
droftwareHow to install kdelibs using sudo apt-get17:41
xennex81kdelibs-bin should already be installed17:44
xennex81droftware17:44
droftwarexennex81: so I dont need any extra packages in order to start developing for KDE on kubuntu ?17:46
xennex81Mamarok: I am using SoundKonverter now, it has good options the quality of that Windows CD ripper for audiophiles.... what is its name?17:46
xennex81In order to compile stuff you may need kdelibs5-dev17:46
Mamarokdon't know I haven't use Windows for music in over 16 years17:46
xennex81Exact Audio Copy17:47
xennex81droftware: for instance, to compile Calligra I needed a whole bunch of development packages17:47
xennex81droftware: but there was a meta package for that, that installed everything17:48
Mamarokdroftware: depends on what development you are talking about, and which Kubuntu version17:49
droftwarexennex81: I wanted to try out a few KDE programming examples given on their website,what all extra packages do I need to install17:50
droftwareMamarok: I am running Kubuntu Trusty Tahr17:51
MamarokBTW,  released versions have numbers, not names :)17:52
Mamarokand you use 14.04, which is totally unfit for dervelopment, too old17:52
droftwareMamarok: Ok,but I just wanted to try out a few examples given on  - https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials17:53
Mamarokyou should first decide wether you want to develop for plasma5, in that case you need to have Kubutnu 15.04, or if you want to do development for KDE4, then 14.04 could work, but you  would need the Kubuntu PPA and backports PPA to have at least a recent KDE release17:55
Mamarokdroftware: if you want to go into KDE develoment anyway, go for plasm5, nobody develops for KDE4 anymore17:56
xennex81Mamarok: but trying out a few examples should be easy.17:58
xennex81I have not tried anything myself droftware, I bet you don't need much for a few simple examples.17:59
Mamarokxennex81: if it is just for trying, yes, but he should be aware that the versions will not be recent and therefor he can't submit anything17:59
Mamarokas patches and code needs to be submittetd with the most recent versions only18:00
xennex81that's fine I think, submitting or "contributing" comes later18:00
xennex81that's true (I read that! :P)18:00
xennex81let's not put the bar too high for anyone18:00
xennex81myself I want to develop Calligra18:00
xennex81I think I am going to be reading that document that was linked18:00
Mamarokthe bar is not too high IMHO, it is astonigly low, comapred to other projects18:01
xennex81I was able to compile Calligra without issue on Kub 14.1018:01
xennex81what bar?18:01
droftwareMamarok: But how is developing for Plasma5 very different from developing for KDE4?18:02
xennex81I mean you shouldn't worry about development if you are currently using 14.04, it should be possible for anyone18:02
Mamarokdroftware: different libraries18:02
xennex81every experience is beneficial18:02
droftwareMamarok: I am really confused as I am quite new18:02
Mamarokvery different actually, especially different Qt version18:02
xennex81don't be, just go with what you like and if it doesn't work out, you'll find out that soon enough, don't worry18:02
xennex81you'll discover that soon enough18:03
Mamarokso if you want to do plasma5 developemnt, you need a Qt5 environment, that you can get with 15.04 only18:03
xennex81but then you'll be more experienced18:03
xennex81and ready for the next challenge18:03
xennex81if he is new (or she is new) just let him play along and be good at what he does, which is to experiment and to learn ;-).18:04
xennex81haha18:04
xennex81Mamarok: are you a developer?18:04
MamarokI didn't say otherwise, but ever<y developer, even as beginner as they might be, should learn one basic stuff,k as in: being precise about what you want, what you work on, as versions is the basics to understanding each other18:05
Mamarokxennex81: no, I am not, but around long enough to understand enough18:05
MamarokI know how to code, but I don't code18:05
xennex81yeah but you can't expect someone to have the end goal of finishing a product in sight when he just wants to learn a few things or try out a few things18:06
xennex81being on KDE 4 or 5 is not very important then18:06
xennex81you just wanna get it going, worry comes later ;-)18:06
Mamarokstill, versions are important, to the extend if you try to compile with a wrong library version ti will not work at all, so let's be precise from the start18:06
Mamarokas coding is also about precision18:06
xennex81sure but this document is about KDE 418:06
Mamaroknot only18:06
Mamarokscroll down18:07
xennex81sigh....18:07
xennex81what does it matter18:07
xennex81relax18:07
Mamarokno worries, I am relaxed, I just try to avoid confusion, as imprecision leads to exactly that, and a lot of frustration, especially at the beginning18:07
xennex81not at all, if there are simple examples they should be simple to execute18:08
xennex81you don't have to do a university study just to do a simple example, jeez18:08
MamarokI agtree, but if you try to compile plasma5 on KDE4 it will not work, ditto if you try to compile with a wrong library version18:08
xennex81well you find that out soon enough, but you don't even know what libs that user needed18:09
droftwareSince yesterday I have been trying to build kdelibs but everytime some kind of error is popping up18:09
xennex81so don't run ahead of yourself18:09
xennex81okay18:09
Mamarokxennex81: precision  is not about zuniversity studies, it is about starting on the right food18:09
xennex81you mean: build against kdelibs?18:09
Mamarokfoot* actually18:09
droftwareno18:09
droftwarebuilding kdelibs itself18:09
xennex81you can't start out on the right foot, by goddammit ;-)18:09
xennex81okay but why do you want to build that?18:09
Mamarokdroftware: and why do you want to build kdelibs?18:09
xennex81that doesn't sound like a simple example ;-)18:10
Mamarokxennex81: please watch your langauge, some wording is not allowed here18:10
xennex81i mean the wrong foot18:10
xennex81you can't start out on the wrong foot, sir18:10
Mamarok*sigh*...18:10
droftwaresince it was given that you to have the following software installed18:10
xennex81you're just pissing me off a bit18:10
droftwarehttps://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/First_program18:10
Mamarokxennex81: this is a support channel if you want to do random chitchat you should do that in #kubuntu-offtopic18:10
Mamarokxennex81: again: watch your language, please18:11
droftwareand in the kde-devel ebook18:11
xennex81you mean you're not okay with someone being angry at you, I'm okay with that18:11
xennex81and this was not random chitchat, you are just frustrating someone18:12
xennex81droftware: you don't need to compile kdelibs to do that example, right?18:12
Mamarokdroftware: that should be doable with your current settings, provide you have all basic source package, that is not "compiling kdelibs"18:12
droftwareI thought that I have to build kdelibs before doing anything ..18:13
Mamarokof course you need the source pacakges, and the libraries required for it, that is explained in the KDE devel book as well18:13
Mamarokbut you do not neecd to cimpile the libraries18:13
Mamaroksorry, my typing is not the best18:13
xennex81droftware: that would make it rather hard, wouldn't it ;-)18:13
droftwareyes18:14
droftwarethe whole build process is giving me immense trouble18:14
xennex81so what is the error?18:14
Mamarokdroftware: did you read this page: https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Environment ?18:14
droftwareyes18:14
xennex81and what gives the error?18:14
droftwarei was reading18:14
droftwarethat and related pages18:14
Mamarokthat is the starting point, as it sets a development environment18:14
droftwareyes18:14
droftwareI thought that I have to18:14
Mamarokonce you have that, the "Hello, World-example should just work18:15
droftwareyes18:15
droftwarethat was my plan18:15
Mamarokso read through that page, do all the suggested adjustments, then you can start coding18:15
xennex81so what was the error, droftware?18:15
droftwarexennex81: During the build of kdelibs I got and " undefined reference to UDevQT::something ..."18:16
xennex81droftware: but did you just try to run the example you gave?18:16
xennex81droftware: using cmake, make, ?18:16
Mamarokdon't try to compile kdelibs, that will lead you nowhere, if you just want to try18:16
droftwarexennex81: Yes18:16
xennex81droftware: did it error?18:17
droftwarexennex81: I have not tried that example18:17
xennex81okay18:17
droftwareMamarok: But that Build page is saying that I have to Build Kdelibs"18:17
Mamarokwhcih one?18:18
MamarokI don't see where on the configurations page it says you need to compile kdelibs18:19
droftwareMamarok: Ok I may have got that wrong18:19
droftwareMamarok: But in the book it is mentioned that you have to build KDE SC using a script kdesrc-build18:20
droftwareMamarok: in order to do any development,18:20
Mamarokok, so problem solved? Don't try to compile basic libraires, as you don't have the right environment to compile those libraires, you would need a much never version18:20
droftwareMamarok: ok18:21
Mamarokno, you don't, certainly not, only if you want to do everything from scratch, but not for a basic example from a tutorial18:21
droftwareMamarok: ok,thanks18:21
Mamarokand you don't have to build KDE SC either with the kdesrc-build script, as that is a completely different task, not for basic tutorial examples18:22
Mamarokalso: KDE SC = KDE Software Compilation =! kdesrc18:22
droftwareMamarok: But if I start developing for some KDE project say Kate do I have to build the KDESC18:23
Mamarokwe can talk about this once you get there, so far you are not there yet :)18:24
droftwareMamarok: Yes,sorry ,,and thanks for you help18:24
Mamarokand read the sentence I wrot above, KDE SC =! kdesrc18:24
droftwareyes18:24
droftwareI know18:24
droftwareKDE SC is not kdesrc18:24
droftwarexennex81: Thanks for you help18:25
xennex81yo, yw18:25
Mamarokso no need to build kde SC to develop on Kate, the kdesrc script is something totally different18:25
droftwareMamarok: got it18:25
xennex81droftware: the Software Compilation is then a whole set of packages or applicaitons, you could never build that on your own so like that18:26
Mamarokdroftware: also: if you want to go into Kate development, you will need a newer setup with Plasma5 and framworks, there is no more Kate development in KDE418:26
xennex81but that is AGAIN something that comes at a later stage, Mamarok18:26
Mamarokso at some point you will ahve to update to Kubuntu 15.04 anyway18:26
xennex81jeez really18:26
droftwareok18:27
Mamarokxennex81: true, just to make this clear18:27
xennex81don't obfuscate the user with difficulties18:27
Mamarokxennex81: I don't, how on earth is upgrading your distribution a difficulty for a developer?18:27
xennex81but of course it is sensible to say that KDE4 is no longer being developed18:27
Mamaroksomebody who wants to go into development should be able to handle that in an hour18:27
Mamarokless, actually18:28
xennex81jeez, come on18:28
xennex81stop with the muscle language please18:28
Mamarokxennex81: we talk about development, not users18:28
xennex81here is just a person who wants to do a certain thing18:28
MamarokI am scaring nobody here18:28
xennex81yes, and you're not even a developer yourself, so bite it18:28
xennex81we're not supposed to be anyone and the user can do as he pleases, ok?18:28
xennex81jeez, come on18:28
Mamarokwell, I know how to code, my dear, and I know about the current development cycles, and a few more things :)18:29
xennex81oh wow18:29
xennex81that must make you a superhuman18:29
Mamarokjust because I don't code doesn't mean I can't talk about how to get into development18:29
xennex81or a very superior being18:29
xennex81at least18:29
* Mamarok is a GSoC mentor18:29
xennex81right?18:29
xennex81so what?18:29
xennex81even more superhuman18:29
xennex81i must awe in abideness18:29
Mamarokxennex81: just stop pretending that development and code contribution is for beginners, or that upgrading a distro is difficult18:31
xennex81if you just helped instead of showing your muscle all the time, maybe it wouldn't leave the user in confusion18:31
xennex81I never said that18:31
xennex81and I never said that it was for beginners18:31
Mamarokxennex81: he wants to be a developer, so he should know how it works, that is not about showing muscles at all18:31
xennex81you are just trying to turn a newbie into a very advanced developer18:31
Mamarokabsolutely not18:31
xennex81no, he doesn't want to be a developer, he wanted to try a few examples18:31
xennex81the status of "developer" was never mentioned by him18:32
xennex81he wants to develop, perhaps, but that is a different thing18:32
Mamarokit didn't read like this, especially not after the mail he sent to kde-devel18:32
droftwarexennex81: I got what Mamarok was trying to say18:32
xennex81no one wants to be a "developer" here18:32
xennex81that doesn't matter, he is a new person here, treat him as one18:32
xennex81plEASE18:32
Mamarokdroftware: that was you who sent that mail, wasn't it?18:33
xennex81it's like your spreading out job requirements for the high position18:33
droftwareyes18:33
xennex81droftware: well that's good, droftware18:33
Mamarokxennex81: calm down, you do not know what we are talking about here, as you are obviuously not on the kde-devl mailing lsit, where droftware sent a request18:33
xennex81oh boy more superhuman status, now we need to be on kde-devel before we can say anything18:34
Mamarokxennex81: please calm down, really, you are making an elefant out of a fly18:34
xennex81no you're being a bit of an arrogant person here, I just have a problem with that in that sense of the word18:34
xennex81and this problem is that it shies away or shoos away new people18:34
xennex81because, as I said, it raises the bar too high for simple things18:35
xennex81you come into such a thing way by way, step by step18:35
xennex81you don't have to take care of the end steps right away18:35
xennex81so relax18:35
xennex81he (the user) can upgrade his installation when the time comes18:36
xennex81it's just much too tense this18:36
Mamarokdroftware: sorry, do you still want an answer to your mail on the mailing list?18:36
xennex81i'm sorry, that's all I have to say18:36
xennex81btw, I just wanted to ask you what you develop in, (if it is C++)18:37
droftwareMamarok: Though I got your point but if someone answers or pin points my mistake maybe it will be helpful in the future18:37
Mamarokdroftware: OK, I will answere th mail, then18:37
xennex81(I meant what development environment)18:37
droftwareMamarok: I know a little bit about linking and all18:37
KaiserAok, I might have fucked up in the insall, but after to hous running KDE my system just starts laggin18:38
xennex81((I need to get started on it some day myself))18:38
KaiserALike I3 runs fine, it's just KDE, any ideas?18:38
xennex81KaiserA: is it the new version or an older one?18:38
KaiserAupdaed he oder one18:38
xennex81KaiserA: so you're now in 15.04?18:39
KaiserAyes18:39
droftwareMamarok: I actually managed to build kdelibs just now(it was running the backgroud)18:39
KaiserAlike when i don't use plasma 5 everything runs fine18:39
xennex81:) @droftware ;-)18:39
xennex81(KaiserA: I haven't heard yet about laggings in Plasma5, sorry)18:39
KaiserAI know someone else who has problems, I thught it would just fix itself with an udate, but nope18:40
xennex81There have been issues with pixmaps and memory leaks, and moving icons that would cause the plasma-desktop to slow down, but....18:40
droftwareMamarok: Maybe some dependencies were missing which I installed using sudo apt-get build-dep18:40
droftwarexennex81:  :)18:41
KaiserAI supose it's memory leak because when I reload KDE it works fine18:41
Mamarokdroftware: I preuse you tried to compile kdelibs from git master, and that is the main problem: your distribution version is too old for that, it lags behing by about a year on KDE development18:41
KaiserAit's just fter that two hour period it begins to die18:41
MamarokI presume*18:42
droftwareMamarok: Yup,maybe18:42
xennex81(KaiserA: there is a thread on the forum and someone had a complete line of code to stop and restart all important programs/processes ;-). It would work to temporarily fix such things ;-))18:42
Mamarokdroftware: so not a lack of dependencies, but simply the wrong KDE SC version18:42
droftwareMamarok: Sorry but I did not get your last point18:42
KaiserAcould i just  an apt-remove kde and reintall it to see if it works?18:43
xennex81KaiserA: I had it myself in plasma4 on my laptop. Slowing down all the time, I had to log out and in to fix it (without knowing what else to do)18:43
KaiserAYeah, doing the same works for me18:44
xennex81KaiserA: I doubt, but what else do you use? Maybe you could remote all configuration files from your home18:44
KaiserAI just ant to fix i on a permanent way18:44
xennex81I've had it myself and I couldn't get rid of it (kub 14.10)18:44
xennex81but now on this computer it doesn't happen18:44
xennex81i know it's horrible18:44
xennex81I have to get going though18:45
xennex81thanks for the chat everyone18:45
KaiserAok, I'll try a reisntall when I get back, then name of the entire WM is just KDE, right?18:46
Mamarokdroftware: I am answering your mail right now18:47
xennex81KaiserA: I don't know, I installed kde-plasma-desktop18:49
xennex81(from a base install of Ubuntu Server)18:50
Mamarokdroftware: you should have mail18:54
droftwareMamarok: I got it just now18:55
droftwareMamarok: Thanks for your insight once again18:55
Mamarokdroftware: you are welocme18:55
xennex81thank you for helping him Mamarok ;-). And sorry if I'm unpleasant at times ;-). My apologies.18:58
Mamarokxennex81: well, you were asked to behave, and you know the rules, so please don't let us go through that again18:59
xennex81oh and now I thought you would be nice ;-).18:59
xennex81I just ripped my first audio cd and converted the resulting filenames to a format I like using a script I just wrote ;-)19:03
xennex81but I used SoundKonvertor19:03
xennex81Konverter*19:05
droftwareMamarok: In your mail you mentioned that if I want to start KDE development I should learn about Plasma5 and some newer related frameworks , from where should I learn about these so that I am able to understand the development process of projects like kate,amarok etc19:43
Mamaroksee the tutorials for Plasma519:44
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Tin_mansibivol, sorry to take so long getting back, but been busy today, i moved the file to a temp folder, deleted the orginal. But on mine there was no Plasma-desktop-appletsrc, just plasma-appletsrc, so i assumed that was the one.  When logged back in there was no taskbar, just a blank screen with the background picture, but got it to where i can use it.. This is just a test computer anyway, thanks for your help.20:17
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