[01:42] <Guest13971> does anyone know how to install gcc for kubuntu 15.02?
[01:43] <Guest13971> 15.04
[02:51] <Qwik> Does anyone know how to set up the /etc/grub.d/40_custom file for grub4dos? Im trying to install by getting Windows' efi to boot the setup.exe
[03:25] <ryonaloli_> is there any way to get kubuntu live cd to be more light-weight upon bootup? i have to open it with 512 MB of RAM in an ancient 500 MHz laptop in a virtual machine, so that i can use kwallet to extract some passwords..
[05:07] <tpm> fuck you cunt face
[05:08] <tpm> eat shit AND DIE
[05:08] <tpm> BETTER YET GO KILL YOURSELF
[05:10] <tpm> FUCK YOU ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[05:10] <tpm> N
[05:10] <tpm> B
[05:10] <tpm> B
[05:10] <tpm> N
[05:10] <tpm> B
[05:10] <unopaste> tpm you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[05:11] <tpm> g
[05:11] <tpm> g
[05:11] <tpm> g
[05:12] <tpm> k
[05:12] <tpm> hg
[05:12] <tpm> vg
[05:12] <tpm> v
[05:12] <tpm> v
[05:12] <tpm> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn'
[05:12] <unopaste> tpm you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[05:13] <tpm> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:15] <tpm> gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
[05:16] <tpm> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:18] <bshah> !ops
[05:19] <tpm> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[05:19] <tpm> ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
[05:20] <bshah> no ops... okay then
[05:27] <buriedalive> br
[05:34] <valorie> urgh, sorry I missed quieting the troll
[05:37] <bshah> np..
[05:45] <asdf_> omfgfgfgfgfffffffg
[05:45] <asdf_> ubuntu rulez!
[08:27] <xennex81_> haha
[08:27] <xennex81_> don't call people trolls, it is not nice
[08:28] <xennex81_> everyone has issues, a troll is nothing special ;-) :P
[08:28] <xennex81_> valorie :P
[08:31] <xennex81_> I'm actually much more happy in 14.10 but still not very
[08:33] <xennex81_> not the way I was happy in Windows 7 before the TrueCrypt madness, and actually I was more happy than that in Windows XP as long as that lasted.
[08:33] <xennex81_> I don't know.
[08:37] <xennex81_> what kind of "support" is still ongoing for 14.04? Do new versions arive? Are bugs fixed? Or only backported bugs?
[08:39] <valorie> xennex81_: I don't think you were here for our special visit
[08:40] <valorie> for 14.04 there are security updates of course, and also backports when there is testing
[08:40] <valorie> so if you want backports, do some testing
[08:41] <valorie> windows -- I hate win7 actually
[08:41] <valorie> have to use my husband's box to pay bills, and it is one horrible chore
[09:02] <xennex81_> hehe, but you are probably well-settled in Kubuntu ;-)
[09:02] <xennex81_> in Kubuntu land
[09:02] <xennex81_> your special visit? :D
[09:07] <valorie> yes, I've been using kubuntu for many years
[09:08] <valorie> husband is hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, leaving me a widow for a half-year
[09:47] <omerraja> hello
[10:34] <voicu> !fastboot
[10:36] <voicu> does anyone know if ubuntu (or linux in general) has support for fastboot?
[10:52] <xennex81_> don't even know what it is ;-).
[11:15] <ahox> Hi, I have a rathe rannoying bug, my mouse emmits a left-buttn press (xev: ButtonPress event, serial 40, state 0x2000, button 1 whenever I stop moving the mouse. How do i change that?
[11:25] <crak> hi all
[11:27] <crak> i am using kubuntu 15.04. adding a new entry into k menu works but i can't add an icon. the 'browse' button does not show up a dialog window. can anyone confirm this problem?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:58] <netrunner_> fuck you NS
[12:58] <netrunner_> NSA
[13:00] <BluesKaj> netrunner_, that kind of statement and language isn't necessary here
[13:00] <netrunner_> where is the finfisherman??come out
[13:02] <xennex81_> I think it is wholly necessary, it is just inappropriate :P
[13:03] <Graf_Westerholt> NSA does not read this statement, they have a filter that deletes this statement. :D
[13:05] <metallic> NSA = native speakers of Arab?
[13:06] <Graf_Westerholt> metallic, no, it is “network storage access”
[13:06] <BluesKaj> netrunner seems to be in china so he probly doesn't understand what this chat is about
[13:13] <xennex81_> it's about girls, and women, too.
[13:16] <xennex81> BluesKaj: I'm going to be installing Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 now with then kubuntu-desktop on top of it
[13:16] <xennex81> that was my original desire (with 14.10) but I have no feel for installing a distribution that will be supported for only 2 more months
[13:16] <xennex81> I'm not sure what the differences will be between this 14.10 and that 14.04.2
[13:17] <xennex81> It's a bit weird to mix server with desktop though....
[13:17] <xennex81> Maybe later on I'll go with 15.10 and hope that will work.
[13:18] <ejay> hi all
[13:18] <BluesKaj> xennex81, why not just install kubuntu 14.04.2 LTS ? why the server again? I've forgotten
[13:19] <xennex81> I just feel happy about the server ;-)
[13:20] <xennex81> and besides I'd have to burn another disk :S
[13:20] <xennex81> Gives me a more solid feel to it :-/
[13:20] <xennex81> Having a server installed, even though almost nothing remains of it, except the login message
[13:21] <xennex81> and a different installation environment
[13:21] <xennex81> I wanted to do the server install back in februari I believe on my laptop, but I couldn't get my wifi working and I didn't know about w3m and because of that couldn't get a http link going
[13:22] <xennex81> links and lynx weren't installed
[13:22] <xennex81> and how do you find a program that you don't know the name of?
[13:22] <xennex81> yes, you write a script that does "whatis" on every program in /usr/bin ;-)
[13:23] <xennex81> and then you scan the resulting list for "web browser" :P
[13:25] <xennex81> alright, time to get it going
[13:26] <xennex81> brb "be RIGHT back ;-)" let's see how long it takes :P
[13:26] <BluesKaj> uhm , look in the software center or install muon package manager to find installed apps
[13:26] <xennex81> it is 15:30 now
[13:26] <xennex81> yes but I had a Server install with only text-mode interface ;-)
[13:26] <xennex81> and I was trying to get kubuntu-desktop on it
[13:26] <xennex81> and I couldn't manage, or I would have done that for 14.10 months ago
[13:26] <xennex81> and would probably still have had my laptop, but that aside
[13:27] <xennex81> I broke it some time ago
[13:27] <xennex81> threw it to the floor
[13:27] <xennex81> in rage
[13:27] <xennex81> I guess
[13:27] <ejay> guys, got question. when can we expect new plasma update for kubuntu 15?
[13:27] <xennex81> and to clear my mind
[13:28] <xennex81> you mean to say ejay when will plasma 5.3 arrive in 15.04?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> in a week or 2, ejay plasma 5.3.1 i believe
[13:28] <xennex81> you are a nice person BluesKaj
[13:29] <ejay> BluesKaj thank you.
[13:29] <xennex81> and the only one who chats other than Valorie or perhaps soee_ or lordievader
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ejay, for 5.3 there's a ppa on launchpad
[13:30] <xennex81> okay going to reboot into the installer for server 15.04.2
[13:30] <xennex81> brb
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ejay, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[13:33] <ejay> BluesKaj: I rather stay with stable stuff. But, yeah, thanks for link. It's not like I really want to see whats new in plasma - just courious.
[13:33] <ejay> thanks for the link*
[13:34] <BluesKaj> ejay, actually installing plsama 5.3 made my install more stable than 5.2
[13:34] <BluesKaj> err plasma
[13:35] <ejay> BluesKaj: my installation is stable right now and I've got everything I need and I'm one of those "if it's working - don't change it" kind of person. ;)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> ok , ejay, understood
[13:37] <ejay> there is just one bug that's drive me crazy - this one with kate and dolphin when you are opening more then one file and I'm really looking forward to get rid of it, but beside this I'm cool with current version of plasma.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> ejay, there are bugs that should be fixed once plasma 4 apps are no longer required to run in plsama 5 environment, like dolphin
[13:43] <xennex81> my 14.04.2 Ubuntu Server image is broken, it tries to mount all sorts of devices to /media and keeps failing.
[13:44] <xennex81> very weird, I have no recourse but to just use Kubuntu 14.04.2  then
[13:46] <xennex81> what's the big difference between plasma 4 and 5 really?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> look and links mostly
[13:50] <xennex81> but if it is only a looks thing then surely they would not have crafted a completely new platform??
[13:53] <xennex81> sometimes I don't know why people do what they do anyway...
[13:54] <Tin_man> Hello all, i'm using kubuntu 9.4 on an old Compaq with 256MB memory, runs fairly good, but i've seemed to messed up my task bar, and don't know how to get my programs that I've got open to show on the task bar, I can still alt-tab to them, but there not on the bar, any idea how to get them back?
[13:56] <ejay>  xennex81 well they changed API to make everything cleaner and more powerful. Also - they are, probably, learning and a lot of things they found not as good as they thought they will be. And that's why they made new framework. This is my IMHO.
[13:57] <ejay> xennex81: ^ it's almost in english. Hope you will get what I mean. :P
[13:57] <xennex81> I mean I have a feel to it that the changes are good, I just don't know what they are. Scarcely anyone in FOSS really spends time really documenting and selling the system.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> xennex81, dunno what the underlying structure is tiplasma 5is vs plasma4 and I don't care to speculate, I'm just telling what I see on the surface.
[13:58] <xennex81> BluesKaj: burning my Kubuntu 14.04.2 disc now.... hope I can install that one. Multiple users on the interwebs had the same issue I had with Ubuntu Server 14.04.2
[13:58] <BluesKaj> err underlying structure is to plasma 5 vs plasma4
[13:59] <ejay> xennex81: if they changed whole (??) API and you can't spot any difference but better performance then they are doin' a good job.
[13:59] <sbivol> Tin_man: try to move the file /home/sergiu/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc to a backup location, then logout and login. it should help. please report back
[13:59] <sbivol> sorry, the file would be ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[13:59] <xennex81> I would love to read documents on architectural design but they are scarce to be had, I believe........
[14:00] <xennex81> BluesKaj: some solved it by disabling FDD and manually mounting the CD
[14:00] <xennex81> BBL
[14:01] <Tin_man> k
[14:02] <BluesKaj> ejay, the devs also dumped some of the more complex links like separate wallpapers for each desktop
[14:02] <BluesKaj> I heard a lot of talk about simplificatiion by the devs
[14:03] <ejay> BluesKaj: yeah, this and many other smaller things that we are got used to but I's prolly not as important as makeing this whole mess not explode while using it. ;)
[14:05] <Tin_man> viewing home but don't see an /sergiu folder and i've got view hidden on
[14:12] <Tin_man> no such file or directory in bash
[14:14] <Tin_man> okay looking kinda cooking and keep track here also sorry.
[14:23] <blyet> how do i disable the black bar sliding up when having the cursor at the bottom
[14:29] <sbivol> Tin_man: /home/sergiu would be my home folder, just look for some file called plasma-desktop-appletsrc in .kde/share/config/, which is hidden inside your Home folder
[14:42] <netrunner_> nash died
[14:45] <BluesKaj> netrunner_, do you have a kubuntu support question?
[15:06] <no-password> i just donwloaded and copied in the usb the KUBUNT LIVE SESSION to show it to a friends.. When i booted with it, on the loggin screen asks me for a password.. Blank password is not allowed..
[15:07] <no-password> how come there is this hindrance to linux-newbies like me?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> no-password, how did you copy the kubuntu image to the usb ?
[15:13] <no-password> with the Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.6.0
[15:13] <no-password> from windows 8.1
[15:13] <no-password> and i am trying to boot on a broken-ubuntu laptop
[15:59] <xennex81> heya
[15:59] <xennex81> BluesKaj: Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 wouldn't install, and Kubuntu 14.04.2 wouldn't boot after install
[15:59] <xennex81> seriously
[16:00] <xennex81> now I'm back in Kubuntu 14.10
[16:00] <xennex81> (How I hate the sound of the DVD running in the live session ;-))
[16:00] <xennex81> the live sessions ;-)
[16:03] <xennex81> now I'm back in 14.10.... that I've used for some time on my laptop
[16:03] <metallic> xennex81: you installed Kubuntu on your laptop?
[16:04] <xennex81> earlier
[16:04] <metallic> and it didn't boot?
[16:04] <xennex81> 14.04.2 that I just installed here on this computer would not boot
[16:04] <metallic> where did you place the bootloader?
[16:05] <xennex81> it kept stuck at a "Starting Reading ahead files. (For other mounts)"
[16:05] <xennex81> bootloader was fine, it just got stuck booting
[16:06] <metallic> mmm... Did you checked the partition(s) were large enough to host Kubuntu?
[16:06] <xennex81> of course, this current install uses the exact same partition setup, but it does boot
[16:06] <metallic> :/
[16:07] <xennex81> I'm a bit disappointed though, I wanted something new, and now I have the same old same old
[16:07] <metallic> Weird
[16:07] <xennex81> and I hope I don't run into the same issues
[16:07] <xennex81> and no support after 2 monhts
[16:07] <xennex81> months*
[16:08] <metallic> xennex81: the partition which host the root (/), did you formatted it?
[16:08] <metallic> during the installation process?
[16:09] <metallic> hosts*
[16:09] <xennex81> yes I am pretty sure I formatted it
[16:09] <metallic> ...
[16:09] <metallic> I am running out of ideas
[16:09] <xennex81> Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 also wouldn't boot during the installer, or rather, it would not advance due to a mount issue
[16:10] <xennex81> maybe this was a mount issue also
[16:10] <xennex81> beh, I wanted something new
[16:10] <BluesKaj> are you using / amd /home partitions, xennex81 ?
[16:10] <metallic> it certainly is odd
[16:11] <BluesKaj> amd=and
[16:11] <xennex81> yes But I wiped them both
[16:11] <BluesKaj> usually just installing to / works
[16:11] <xennex81> ooh nice Edgers gives access to the newest nVidia drivers
[16:12] <xennex81> I now have 50GB windows,  50GB free, LVM of 130GB with root swap and home, and another 230GB orso of free space at the end for data
[16:12] <metallic> every time I hear/read NVidia the image of Linus raising his second finger comes to my mind
[16:12] <xennex81> hehe
[16:12] <xennex81> Linus is a bad boy :P
[16:13] <metallic> wait, LVM?
[16:13] <metallic> What is that ?
[16:13] <xennex81> haha
[16:13] <xennex81> logical volume manager
[16:13] <xennex81> i always use it for linux partitions
[16:13] <xennex81> but it can't be a problem
[16:14] <xennex81> oh and there's a windows boot partition (windows is not installed at present) at the very beginning
[16:14] <xennex81> I'm not sure my partition setup doesn't have anything to do with it but it can also normally not be an issue
[16:16] <blyet> how do i disable the black space when moving the cursor over the edges
[16:16] <metallic> well, I use normal partitions on a drive with an msdos partition table and it works, xennex81
[16:16] <xennex81> you mean you have used 14.04.2?
[16:17] <metallic> Currently I have 3 Debian derived OSes
[16:17] <metallic> so... :/
[16:17] <xennex81> I mean particularly 14.04 point TWO
[16:17] <metallic> I have 14.something
[16:17] <metallic> wait
[16:17] <xennex81> not that I have tried to the others, but....
[16:18] <xennex81> blyet: do you mean in what Kubuntu version? 14.04? 14.10? 15.04?
[16:19] <xennex81> I just wanted a LTS version now since I don't like 15.04 so much, but I wanted a new version that I hadn't tried before
[16:19] <xennex81> a few hours ago I still had a test install of Ubuntu Server 14.10
[16:19] <xennex81> I liked that better than what I have now, but I wasn't going to go back to it
[16:19] <metallic> xennex81: I am using right now Kubuntu 14.04, Kinfocentre
[16:19] <xennex81> yes but I used an ISO of the .2 release, it could have been different in the installer
[16:19] <xennex81> in any case
[16:19] <xennex81> I had a loading screen
[16:19] <xennex81> no
[16:20] <xennex81> first my monitor went to standby
[16:20] <xennex81> on booting
[16:20] <xennex81> then after pressing esc, I got a screen with the list of started or starting services
[16:20] <xennex81> that list was populated with a lot of starting but also a lot of stopping
[16:20] <metallic> my ISO says 14.04.2
[16:20] <xennex81> e.g. starting whatever... and then after that.... stopping whatever
[16:20] <metallic> so right now I am using Kubuntu 14.04.2 :/
[16:20] <xennex81> almost everything that got started, also got stopped
[16:20] <xennex81> I considered that odd
[16:20] <xennex81> okay
[16:21] <xennex81> maybe it is correct, and I don't know enough about it, and that is my biggest problem with Kubuntu now
[16:21] <xennex81> I can't learn about it because everything has already been done for me
[16:21] <xennex81> in Ubuntu Server at least I had to figure out how to manually install all the needed packages and it was a lean system
[16:21] <xennex81> that was fun
[16:21] <xennex81> this isn't so
[16:21] <metallic> xennex81: I would say it has something to do with the LVM thingy, since I have done this process several times with different GNU/linux systems and never got such results
[16:22] <xennex81> LVM is automatically loaded / mapped by the kernel or the initrd
[16:22] <xennex81> I can't see why an older version (14.04) would have a problem with that
[16:22] <xennex81> and I also don't know what went wrong
[16:22] <xennex81> let me reboot in a sec, see if I see the same messages or not
[16:24] <BluesKaj> personally i don't see the point of lvm for home use if one has a 15G / and the remainder a /home partitions . one just needs to autoe=remove autoclean once in a while to prevent / from becoming full
[16:25] <xennex81> back
[16:25] <xennex81> definitely not seeing the same messages at all, I hardly see any boot messages in this 14.10 image
[16:25] <xennex81> I just get a text-mode interface
[16:26] <xennex81> text-mode splash screen
[16:26] <xennex81> If I press ESC I see very little in terms of messages
[16:26] <xennex81> so I can't compare, they changed that
[16:26] <xennex81> if there's no one here who knows about that, I don't know where to go
[16:27] <xennex81> I feel a bit handicapped in Linux because the graphical tools are not up to par with Windows and I have to do everything almost via the console
[16:27] <metallic> I am reading about LVM but... I don't think that is necessary for your purposes
[16:27] <BluesKaj> you are using the text install for a server edition are you not ?
[16:27] <xennex81> rI don't care
[16:28] <xennex81> I don't care*... erm... for the server yes
[16:28] <xennex81> but not for Kubuntu 14.04.2
[16:28] <xennex81> (I don't want to have a zillion partitions running around ;-))
[16:28] <xennex81> I already have 3 primary and 2 logical now
[16:28] <xennex81> plus 3 LVM inside the logical LVM
[16:29] <BluesKaj> nevermind I have no idea what you're talking abouit then ...sounds to me like you're just making it difficult for yourself
[16:29] <xennex81> BluesKaj: the text install for Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 had issues that were also prevalent on the internet, they were reported (mount issues)
[16:30] <xennex81> BluesKaj: but my current thing is.... that I installed 14.04.2 successfully (Kubuntu 14.04.2) and it would not get past booting
[16:31] <xennex81> which is just too bad, but I installed Kubuntu 14.10 now I am supposed to be happy with it for a while again ;-)
[16:34] <xennex81> BluesKaj: I first attempted Ubuntu Server install. Booting into the installer failed. I could select my languge, but nothing else. It kept stuck at a certain error message. "mounting ..... on /media". Many users experienced that problem apparently. After that, with no other recourse at that point, I installed Kubuntu 14.04.2. That worked, but the system wouldn't boot, or wouldn't boot in a normal way at least. So I had nothing to go for that. At that
[16:34] <xennex81> point I just bailed and installed 14.10 again
[16:35] <metallic> xennex81: my partition table http://pasteboard.co/HKMWZ3K.png
[16:35] <metallic> and I don't get "crazy"
[16:35] <metallic> as BluesKaj says, I think you are making it too difficult :/
[16:36] <xennex81> I just don't want extra partitions that are hard to move around or modify
[16:37] <xennex81> for swap etc
[16:37] <xennex81> LVM works fine in Linux, you just can't read it with Windows
[16:37] <xennex81> and it is more difficult to setup with the graphical installer (or, not at all)
[16:38] <xennex81> they just badly designed the Linux boot process that it fails on every error and often hangs on stuff that keeps waiting forever
[16:38] <metallic> I don't think you need to resize a partition too often either :/
[16:38] <xennex81> there is no overlaying process that supervises when something gets stuck
[16:38] <xennex81> depends on whether you have space enough ;-)
[16:39] <xennex81> I sometimes want to create another root fs and stuff like that
[16:39] <xennex81> but now it is just so that everything is neat
[16:39] <xennex81> and it works perfectly in Kubuntu 14.10, besides, it is also required for encryption etc.
[16:39] <xennex81> it's just what I like, not very difficult.
[16:42] <xennex81> hrm... how can I assign a shortcut key to an application (like dolphin)?
[16:42] <metallic> xennex81: you mean a shortcut to cause the application to launch?
[16:43] <metallic> there is something for that on the system settings
[16:45] <xennex81> okay works you have to get a custom shortcut operating from there
[16:45] <xennex81> I would expect it to be done in the application menu, first thought
[16:47] <xennex81> I like my Windows shortcuts :)
[16:49] <xennex81> I hope I can stick to this current setup I have before I start changing it again :(
[16:49] <xennex81> everything is a work in progress it seems
[16:49] <xennex81> the downside of using Linux, everything is shifty all the time
[16:50] <xennex81> my current setup doesn't feel very stable :( ....
[16:50] <xennex81> :S
[16:50] <xennex81> i mean
[16:51] <xennex81> oh well
[16:52] <xennex81> how can I do CD ripping in Linux? Last time I tried I could not find a KDE applicaiton
[16:52] <xennex81> except KSoundConvertor
[16:57] <xennex81> SoundKonverter it is
[17:27] <Mamarok> xennex81: default is k3b
[17:28] <Mamarok> and very easy to find, in the menu, just look for CD burning
[17:30] <xennex81> for ripping?
[17:31] <Mamarok> the same applications can be use for ripping and for burning
[17:33] <Mamarok> and even easier: mount the CD in Dolphin and copy to a folder, it will rip in the format you want
[17:41] <droftware> How to install kdelibs using sudo apt-get
[17:44] <xennex81> kdelibs-bin should already be installed
[17:44] <xennex81> droftware
[17:46] <droftware> xennex81: so I dont need any extra packages in order to start developing for KDE on kubuntu ?
[17:46] <xennex81> Mamarok: I am using SoundKonverter now, it has good options the quality of that Windows CD ripper for audiophiles.... what is its name?
[17:46] <xennex81> In order to compile stuff you may need kdelibs5-dev
[17:46] <Mamarok> don't know I haven't use Windows for music in over 16 years
[17:47] <xennex81> Exact Audio Copy
[17:47] <xennex81> droftware: for instance, to compile Calligra I needed a whole bunch of development packages
[17:48] <xennex81> droftware: but there was a meta package for that, that installed everything
[17:49] <Mamarok> droftware: depends on what development you are talking about, and which Kubuntu version
[17:50] <droftware> xennex81: I wanted to try out a few KDE programming examples given on their website,what all extra packages do I need to install
[17:51] <droftware> Mamarok: I am running Kubuntu Trusty Tahr
[17:52] <Mamarok> BTW,  released versions have numbers, not names :)
[17:52] <Mamarok> and you use 14.04, which is totally unfit for dervelopment, too old
[17:53] <droftware> Mamarok: Ok,but I just wanted to try out a few examples given on  - https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials
[17:55] <Mamarok> you should first decide wether you want to develop for plasma5, in that case you need to have Kubutnu 15.04, or if you want to do development for KDE4, then 14.04 could work, but you  would need the Kubuntu PPA and backports PPA to have at least a recent KDE release
[17:56] <Mamarok> droftware: if you want to go into KDE develoment anyway, go for plasm5, nobody develops for KDE4 anymore
[17:58] <xennex81> Mamarok: but trying out a few examples should be easy.
[17:59] <xennex81> I have not tried anything myself droftware, I bet you don't need much for a few simple examples.
[17:59] <Mamarok> xennex81: if it is just for trying, yes, but he should be aware that the versions will not be recent and therefor he can't submit anything
[18:00] <Mamarok> as patches and code needs to be submittetd with the most recent versions only
[18:00] <xennex81> that's fine I think, submitting or "contributing" comes later
[18:00] <xennex81> that's true (I read that! :P)
[18:00] <xennex81> let's not put the bar too high for anyone
[18:00] <xennex81> myself I want to develop Calligra
[18:00] <xennex81> I think I am going to be reading that document that was linked
[18:01] <Mamarok> the bar is not too high IMHO, it is astonigly low, comapred to other projects
[18:01] <xennex81> I was able to compile Calligra without issue on Kub 14.10
[18:01] <xennex81> what bar?
[18:02] <droftware> Mamarok: But how is developing for Plasma5 very different from developing for KDE4?
[18:02] <xennex81> I mean you shouldn't worry about development if you are currently using 14.04, it should be possible for anyone
[18:02] <Mamarok> droftware: different libraries
[18:02] <xennex81> every experience is beneficial
[18:02] <droftware> Mamarok: I am really confused as I am quite new
[18:02] <Mamarok> very different actually, especially different Qt version
[18:02] <xennex81> don't be, just go with what you like and if it doesn't work out, you'll find out that soon enough, don't worry
[18:03] <xennex81> you'll discover that soon enough
[18:03] <Mamarok> so if you want to do plasma5 developemnt, you need a Qt5 environment, that you can get with 15.04 only
[18:03] <xennex81> but then you'll be more experienced
[18:03] <xennex81> and ready for the next challenge
[18:04] <xennex81> if he is new (or she is new) just let him play along and be good at what he does, which is to experiment and to learn ;-).
[18:04] <xennex81> haha
[18:04] <xennex81> Mamarok: are you a developer?
[18:05] <Mamarok> I didn't say otherwise, but ever<y developer, even as beginner as they might be, should learn one basic stuff,k as in: being precise about what you want, what you work on, as versions is the basics to understanding each other
[18:05] <Mamarok> xennex81: no, I am not, but around long enough to understand enough
[18:05] <Mamarok> I know how to code, but I don't code
[18:06] <xennex81> yeah but you can't expect someone to have the end goal of finishing a product in sight when he just wants to learn a few things or try out a few things
[18:06] <xennex81> being on KDE 4 or 5 is not very important then
[18:06] <xennex81> you just wanna get it going, worry comes later ;-)
[18:06] <Mamarok> still, versions are important, to the extend if you try to compile with a wrong library version ti will not work at all, so let's be precise from the start
[18:06] <Mamarok> as coding is also about precision
[18:06] <xennex81> sure but this document is about KDE 4
[18:06] <Mamarok> not only
[18:07] <Mamarok> scroll down
[18:07] <xennex81> sigh....
[18:07] <xennex81> what does it matter
[18:07] <xennex81> relax
[18:07] <Mamarok> no worries, I am relaxed, I just try to avoid confusion, as imprecision leads to exactly that, and a lot of frustration, especially at the beginning
[18:08] <xennex81> not at all, if there are simple examples they should be simple to execute
[18:08] <xennex81> you don't have to do a university study just to do a simple example, jeez
[18:08] <Mamarok> I agtree, but if you try to compile plasma5 on KDE4 it will not work, ditto if you try to compile with a wrong library version
[18:09] <xennex81> well you find that out soon enough, but you don't even know what libs that user needed
[18:09] <droftware> Since yesterday I have been trying to build kdelibs but everytime some kind of error is popping up
[18:09] <xennex81> so don't run ahead of yourself
[18:09] <xennex81> okay
[18:09] <Mamarok> xennex81: precision  is not about zuniversity studies, it is about starting on the right food
[18:09] <xennex81> you mean: build against kdelibs?
[18:09] <Mamarok> foot* actually
[18:09] <droftware> no
[18:09] <droftware> building kdelibs itself
[18:09] <xennex81> you can't start out on the right foot, by goddammit ;-)
[18:09] <xennex81> okay but why do you want to build that?
[18:09] <Mamarok> droftware: and why do you want to build kdelibs?
[18:10] <xennex81> that doesn't sound like a simple example ;-)
[18:10] <Mamarok> xennex81: please watch your langauge, some wording is not allowed here
[18:10] <xennex81> i mean the wrong foot
[18:10] <xennex81> you can't start out on the wrong foot, sir
[18:10] <Mamarok> *sigh*...
[18:10] <droftware> since it was given that you to have the following software installed
[18:10] <xennex81> you're just pissing me off a bit
[18:10] <droftware> https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/First_program
[18:10] <Mamarok> xennex81: this is a support channel if you want to do random chitchat you should do that in #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:11] <Mamarok> xennex81: again: watch your language, please
[18:11] <droftware> and in the kde-devel ebook
[18:11] <xennex81> you mean you're not okay with someone being angry at you, I'm okay with that
[18:12] <xennex81> and this was not random chitchat, you are just frustrating someone
[18:12] <xennex81> droftware: you don't need to compile kdelibs to do that example, right?
[18:12] <Mamarok> droftware: that should be doable with your current settings, provide you have all basic source package, that is not "compiling kdelibs"
[18:13] <droftware> I thought that I have to build kdelibs before doing anything ..
[18:13] <Mamarok> of course you need the source pacakges, and the libraries required for it, that is explained in the KDE devel book as well
[18:13] <Mamarok> but you do not neecd to cimpile the libraries
[18:13] <Mamarok> sorry, my typing is not the best
[18:13] <xennex81> droftware: that would make it rather hard, wouldn't it ;-)
[18:14] <droftware> yes
[18:14] <droftware> the whole build process is giving me immense trouble
[18:14] <xennex81> so what is the error?
[18:14] <Mamarok> droftware: did you read this page: https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Environment ?
[18:14] <droftware> yes
[18:14] <xennex81> and what gives the error?
[18:14] <droftware> i was reading
[18:14] <droftware> that and related pages
[18:14] <Mamarok> that is the starting point, as it sets a development environment
[18:14] <droftware> yes
[18:14] <droftware> I thought that I have to
[18:15] <Mamarok> once you have that, the "Hello, World-example should just work
[18:15] <droftware> yes
[18:15] <droftware> that was my plan
[18:15] <Mamarok> so read through that page, do all the suggested adjustments, then you can start coding
[18:15] <xennex81> so what was the error, droftware?
[18:16] <droftware> xennex81: During the build of kdelibs I got and " undefined reference to UDevQT::something ..."
[18:16] <xennex81> droftware: but did you just try to run the example you gave?
[18:16] <xennex81> droftware: using cmake, make, ?
[18:16] <Mamarok> don't try to compile kdelibs, that will lead you nowhere, if you just want to try
[18:16] <droftware> xennex81: Yes
[18:17] <xennex81> droftware: did it error?
[18:17] <droftware> xennex81: I have not tried that example
[18:17] <xennex81> okay
[18:17] <droftware> Mamarok: But that Build page is saying that I have to Build Kdelibs"
[18:18] <Mamarok> whcih one?
[18:19] <Mamarok> I don't see where on the configurations page it says you need to compile kdelibs
[18:19] <droftware> Mamarok: Ok I may have got that wrong
[18:20] <droftware> Mamarok: But in the book it is mentioned that you have to build KDE SC using a script kdesrc-build
[18:20] <droftware> Mamarok: in order to do any development,
[18:20] <Mamarok> ok, so problem solved? Don't try to compile basic libraires, as you don't have the right environment to compile those libraires, you would need a much never version
[18:21] <droftware> Mamarok: ok
[18:21] <Mamarok> no, you don't, certainly not, only if you want to do everything from scratch, but not for a basic example from a tutorial
[18:21] <droftware> Mamarok: ok,thanks
[18:22] <Mamarok> and you don't have to build KDE SC either with the kdesrc-build script, as that is a completely different task, not for basic tutorial examples
[18:22] <Mamarok> also: KDE SC = KDE Software Compilation =! kdesrc
[18:23] <droftware> Mamarok: But if I start developing for some KDE project say Kate do I have to build the KDESC
[18:24] <Mamarok> we can talk about this once you get there, so far you are not there yet :)
[18:24] <droftware> Mamarok: Yes,sorry ,,and thanks for you help
[18:24] <Mamarok> and read the sentence I wrot above, KDE SC =! kdesrc
[18:24] <droftware> yes
[18:24] <droftware> I know
[18:24] <droftware> KDE SC is not kdesrc
[18:25] <droftware> xennex81: Thanks for you help
[18:25] <xennex81> yo, yw
[18:25] <Mamarok> so no need to build kde SC to develop on Kate, the kdesrc script is something totally different
[18:25] <droftware> Mamarok: got it
[18:26] <xennex81> droftware: the Software Compilation is then a whole set of packages or applicaitons, you could never build that on your own so like that
[18:26] <Mamarok> droftware: also: if you want to go into Kate development, you will need a newer setup with Plasma5 and framworks, there is no more Kate development in KDE4
[18:26] <xennex81> but that is AGAIN something that comes at a later stage, Mamarok
[18:26] <Mamarok> so at some point you will ahve to update to Kubuntu 15.04 anyway
[18:26] <xennex81> jeez really
[18:27] <droftware> ok
[18:27] <Mamarok> xennex81: true, just to make this clear
[18:27] <xennex81> don't obfuscate the user with difficulties
[18:27] <Mamarok> xennex81: I don't, how on earth is upgrading your distribution a difficulty for a developer?
[18:27] <xennex81> but of course it is sensible to say that KDE4 is no longer being developed
[18:27] <Mamarok> somebody who wants to go into development should be able to handle that in an hour
[18:28] <Mamarok> less, actually
[18:28] <xennex81> jeez, come on
[18:28] <xennex81> stop with the muscle language please
[18:28] <Mamarok> xennex81: we talk about development, not users
[18:28] <xennex81> here is just a person who wants to do a certain thing
[18:28] <Mamarok> I am scaring nobody here
[18:28] <xennex81> yes, and you're not even a developer yourself, so bite it
[18:28] <xennex81> we're not supposed to be anyone and the user can do as he pleases, ok?
[18:28] <xennex81> jeez, come on
[18:29] <Mamarok> well, I know how to code, my dear, and I know about the current development cycles, and a few more things :)
[18:29] <xennex81> oh wow
[18:29] <xennex81> that must make you a superhuman
[18:29] <Mamarok> just because I don't code doesn't mean I can't talk about how to get into development
[18:29] <xennex81> or a very superior being
[18:29] <xennex81> at least
[18:29]  * Mamarok is a GSoC mentor
[18:29] <xennex81> right?
[18:29] <xennex81> so what?
[18:29] <xennex81> even more superhuman
[18:29] <xennex81> i must awe in abideness
[18:31] <Mamarok> xennex81: just stop pretending that development and code contribution is for beginners, or that upgrading a distro is difficult
[18:31] <xennex81> if you just helped instead of showing your muscle all the time, maybe it wouldn't leave the user in confusion
[18:31] <xennex81> I never said that
[18:31] <xennex81> and I never said that it was for beginners
[18:31] <Mamarok> xennex81: he wants to be a developer, so he should know how it works, that is not about showing muscles at all
[18:31] <xennex81> you are just trying to turn a newbie into a very advanced developer
[18:31] <Mamarok> absolutely not
[18:31] <xennex81> no, he doesn't want to be a developer, he wanted to try a few examples
[18:32] <xennex81> the status of "developer" was never mentioned by him
[18:32] <xennex81> he wants to develop, perhaps, but that is a different thing
[18:32] <Mamarok> it didn't read like this, especially not after the mail he sent to kde-devel
[18:32] <droftware> xennex81: I got what Mamarok was trying to say
[18:32] <xennex81> no one wants to be a "developer" here
[18:32] <xennex81> that doesn't matter, he is a new person here, treat him as one
[18:32] <xennex81> plEASE
[18:33] <Mamarok> droftware: that was you who sent that mail, wasn't it?
[18:33] <xennex81> it's like your spreading out job requirements for the high position
[18:33] <droftware> yes
[18:33] <xennex81> droftware: well that's good, droftware
[18:33] <Mamarok> xennex81: calm down, you do not know what we are talking about here, as you are obviuously not on the kde-devl mailing lsit, where droftware sent a request
[18:34] <xennex81> oh boy more superhuman status, now we need to be on kde-devel before we can say anything
[18:34] <Mamarok> xennex81: please calm down, really, you are making an elefant out of a fly
[18:34] <xennex81> no you're being a bit of an arrogant person here, I just have a problem with that in that sense of the word
[18:34] <xennex81> and this problem is that it shies away or shoos away new people
[18:35] <xennex81> because, as I said, it raises the bar too high for simple things
[18:35] <xennex81> you come into such a thing way by way, step by step
[18:35] <xennex81> you don't have to take care of the end steps right away
[18:35] <xennex81> so relax
[18:36] <xennex81> he (the user) can upgrade his installation when the time comes
[18:36] <xennex81> it's just much too tense this
[18:36] <Mamarok> droftware: sorry, do you still want an answer to your mail on the mailing list?
[18:36] <xennex81> i'm sorry, that's all I have to say
[18:37] <xennex81> btw, I just wanted to ask you what you develop in, (if it is C++)
[18:37] <droftware> Mamarok: Though I got your point but if someone answers or pin points my mistake maybe it will be helpful in the future
[18:37] <Mamarok> droftware: OK, I will answere th mail, then
[18:37] <xennex81> (I meant what development environment)
[18:37] <droftware> Mamarok: I know a little bit about linking and all
[18:38] <KaiserA> ok, I might have fucked up in the insall, but after to hous running KDE my system just starts laggin
[18:38] <xennex81> ((I need to get started on it some day myself))
[18:38] <KaiserA> Like I3 runs fine, it's just KDE, any ideas?
[18:38] <xennex81> KaiserA: is it the new version or an older one?
[18:38] <KaiserA> updaed he oder one
[18:39] <xennex81> KaiserA: so you're now in 15.04?
[18:39] <KaiserA> yes
[18:39] <droftware> Mamarok: I actually managed to build kdelibs just now(it was running the backgroud)
[18:39] <KaiserA> like when i don't use plasma 5 everything runs fine
[18:39] <xennex81> :) @droftware ;-)
[18:39] <xennex81> (KaiserA: I haven't heard yet about laggings in Plasma5, sorry)
[18:40] <KaiserA> I know someone else who has problems, I thught it would just fix itself with an udate, but nope
[18:40] <xennex81> There have been issues with pixmaps and memory leaks, and moving icons that would cause the plasma-desktop to slow down, but....
[18:40] <droftware> Mamarok: Maybe some dependencies were missing which I installed using sudo apt-get build-dep
[18:41] <droftware> xennex81:  :)
[18:41] <KaiserA> I supose it's memory leak because when I reload KDE it works fine
[18:41] <Mamarok> droftware: I preuse you tried to compile kdelibs from git master, and that is the main problem: your distribution version is too old for that, it lags behing by about a year on KDE development
[18:41] <KaiserA> it's just fter that two hour period it begins to die
[18:42] <Mamarok> I presume*
[18:42] <droftware> Mamarok: Yup,maybe
[18:42] <xennex81> (KaiserA: there is a thread on the forum and someone had a complete line of code to stop and restart all important programs/processes ;-). It would work to temporarily fix such things ;-))
[18:42] <Mamarok> droftware: so not a lack of dependencies, but simply the wrong KDE SC version
[18:42] <droftware> Mamarok: Sorry but I did not get your last point
[18:43] <KaiserA> could i just  an apt-remove kde and reintall it to see if it works?
[18:43] <xennex81> KaiserA: I had it myself in plasma4 on my laptop. Slowing down all the time, I had to log out and in to fix it (without knowing what else to do)
[18:44] <KaiserA> Yeah, doing the same works for me
[18:44] <xennex81> KaiserA: I doubt, but what else do you use? Maybe you could remote all configuration files from your home
[18:44] <KaiserA> I just ant to fix i on a permanent way
[18:44] <xennex81> I've had it myself and I couldn't get rid of it (kub 14.10)
[18:44] <xennex81> but now on this computer it doesn't happen
[18:44] <xennex81> i know it's horrible
[18:45] <xennex81> I have to get going though
[18:45] <xennex81> thanks for the chat everyone
[18:46] <KaiserA> ok, I'll try a reisntall when I get back, then name of the entire WM is just KDE, right?
[18:47] <Mamarok> droftware: I am answering your mail right now
[18:49] <xennex81> KaiserA: I don't know, I installed kde-plasma-desktop
[18:50] <xennex81> (from a base install of Ubuntu Server)
[18:54] <Mamarok> droftware: you should have mail
[18:55] <droftware> Mamarok: I got it just now
[18:55] <droftware> Mamarok: Thanks for your insight once again
[18:55] <Mamarok> droftware: you are welocme
[18:58] <xennex81> thank you for helping him Mamarok ;-). And sorry if I'm unpleasant at times ;-). My apologies.
[18:59] <Mamarok> xennex81: well, you were asked to behave, and you know the rules, so please don't let us go through that again
[18:59] <xennex81> oh and now I thought you would be nice ;-).
[19:03] <xennex81> I just ripped my first audio cd and converted the resulting filenames to a format I like using a script I just wrote ;-)
[19:03] <xennex81> but I used SoundKonvertor
[19:05] <xennex81> Konverter*
[19:43] <droftware> Mamarok: In your mail you mentioned that if I want to start KDE development I should learn about Plasma5 and some newer related frameworks , from where should I learn about these so that I am able to understand the development process of projects like kate,amarok etc
[19:44] <Mamarok> see the tutorials for Plasma5
[20:17] <Tin_man> sibivol, sorry to take so long getting back, but been busy today, i moved the file to a temp folder, deleted the orginal. But on mine there was no Plasma-desktop-appletsrc, just plasma-appletsrc, so i assumed that was the one.  When logged back in there was no taskbar, just a blank screen with the background picture, but got it to where i can use it.. This is just a test computer anyway, thanks for your help.
[23:29] <[Relic]> What am I missing?  I want to upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 but muon doesn't show and upgrade available.
[23:33] <[Relic]> pt_check.py crashes
[23:33] <[Relic]> apt_check.py