[06:15] <Kilos> hello africa
[14:38] <melodie> hello, salut
[14:53] <Kilos> hi melodie
[14:54] <melodie> hi Kilos
[14:55] <melodie> how is it going?
[14:55] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[14:55] <melodie> cd
[14:55] <Kilos> cd?
[15:10] <melodie> struggling with a detail in a bento sushi :p
[15:10] <Kilos> oh my
[15:11] <melodie> me thinks because of a missing { in a file, I ended with the wrong setup for the panel ^^
[15:11] <Kilos> who helps you?
[15:12] <melodie> mc (midnight commander) diff, man diff ...
[15:12] <melodie> grep also and grep -r ! :D
[15:12] <Kilos> ouch
[15:12] <melodie> this is the kind of detail I'm used to squeeze by myself.
[15:13] <Kilos> good girl
[15:13] <melodie> now I have to update-initramfs -u to redo the initrd and then restart the generation of the iso (using ubuntu builder from a ppa )
[15:24] <melodie> and in a few minutes a new ISO will be cooked, thanks to the Ubuntu Builder program
[15:25] <Kilos> clever
[15:25] <melodie> oh Kilos I wanted to ask a question from you: have you met with Ubuntu Linux users from Mali since you started the project?
[15:26] <Kilos> that one you told me about came online for a bit then went off again
[15:26] <Kilos> i greeted him but he didnt answer
[15:26] <melodie> if it's about alphad, he is from Ivoria, not Mali
[15:27] <Kilos> wake them all up and tell them to come here
[15:27] <melodie> well maybe he was busy on something else when he logged in, he generally pops up late at #linuxvillage when he does come, we talk briefly
[15:27] <Kilos> these peeps in africa all use facebook and twitter
[15:27] <melodie> aha
[15:27] <melodie> do you use any of the two as well?
[15:28] <Kilos> ive seen alphad a few times but he just lurks as well
[15:28] <Kilos> i have accounts but dont like facebook much
[15:28] <melodie> that's a start
[15:28] <Kilos> im sharpeys on twitter
[15:28] <melodie> I don't like it much either, but perhaps could you use them to drag people over here
[15:29] <melodie> maybe start a "ubuntu-africa" page there?
[15:29] <Kilos> i normally only tweet when i want to complain to my isp
[15:29] <Kilos> i have advertised the links on both and also G+
[15:29] <melodie> I don't do any : I do it on WordPress, and I have configured the plugin offered by the WordPress company to tweet/facebook/google+ and more for me
[15:30] <Kilos> i also started a new blog to help
[15:30] <Kilos> http://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com
[15:30] <melodie> when I send a post over the web it's pushed in several places, including linkedin for some of them (I use several wordpress sites/blogs for different kinds of topic categories)
[15:31] <melodie> I don't know about blogspot blogs, other than saying your content does not belong to you
[15:31] <Kilos> i dont use wordpress for anything, its for clever peeps
[15:31] <melodie> no, it's very easy
[15:31] <melodie> you just need to get started gently
[15:31] <Kilos> nono im trying to learn html as well so head full
[15:31] <melodie> with let's say, a author role, so you don't have too much to watch inside
[15:32] <melodie> html
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[15:32] <Kilos> ya that
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[15:32] <melodie> after
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[15:32] <melodie> then after body:
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[15:32] <melodie> you have your html
[15:33] <melodie> div are for some blocks
[15:33] <Kilos> http://htmldog.com/guides/html/beginner/ im trying from here, but i dont remember things so its quite a job
[15:33] <melodie> span also is a kind of block, a bit different
[15:34] <Kilos> only thing i remember so far is <html>
[15:34] <melodie> in the WordPress editor, tinymce, there is a side "wysiwyg" and a side "html" (2 tabs)
[15:34] <melodie> I know a tool for you wait a sec
[15:35] <melodie> well, <html> is the start, then you need a header : that will be the top of the screen and at the bottom of the screen, a footer:
[15:35] <Kilos> i have no short term memory so its just by repetition that things eventually take hold
[15:35] <melodie> just think "head" "body" "feet" and you have your scheme
[15:35] <melodie> above html you have the hair:
[15:35] <melodie> some declaration of doctype that is
[15:37] <melodie> Kilos there here is your tool! http://www.tinymce.com/
[15:37] <Kilos> ty let me go see
[15:37] <melodie> you can edit texts in the editor directly on that page and then see what the html code produced look like
[15:37] <melodie> and even use it
[15:37] <Kilos> lol
[15:38] <melodie> this is the editor used in fact in WordPress
[15:38] <melodie> and it's free software
[15:38] <Kilos> i use kate
[15:38] <Kilos> you too far ahead of me
[15:39] <melodie> kate is very difficult
[15:39] <Kilos> well its part of kde and thats what i use so far but im still learning
[15:40] <melodie> let me try this:
[15:40] <melodie> Kate is very difficult
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <melodie> in the editor once type as is, you click on the right button for source code and you get:
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[15:41] <melodie> so you see first what you want to show on a web page
[15:41] <melodie> then you see what it is at first before the engine of the web browser had changed it to a readable text
[15:41] <Kilos> ok
[15:42] <melodie> this part: <p>&nbsp;</p>
[15:42] <melodie> is just an empty line after the text
[15:42] <melodie> from the experience, you can deduce how to write html
[15:42] <Kilos> thats all ugly stuff still to me
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[15:43] <melodie> well the <> take for name tags
[15:43] <melodie> in french "balises"
[15:43] <melodie> that's for the web browsers to be able to produce web pages, using html or processed php, or asp... ruby... python... whatever language is used in a website
[15:44] <Kilos> still too much to understand, but ill get there one day
[15:46] <melodie> what you can retain, is that after html code is produced there are many ways to put it in use.
[15:47] <melodie> which is not really your concern right now of course
[15:47] <Kilos> yeah
[15:47] <melodie> but if you learn html ultimately it is to make something of it, in order to communicate
[15:47] <Kilos> when i get stuck i ask the guys to help me
[15:48] <melodie> and I know very very little of html, but yet enough to sort out the mess when I have used too much wysywig in wordpress, so I would say it is convenient to understand how it works.
[15:48] <melodie> so do I... :D
[15:49] <Kilos> i had this site for some time now with nothing in it now i have the africa site linked in it
[15:49] <Kilos> https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite/
[15:49] <melodie> yes!
[15:50] <Kilos> all i wanted is for google to see the site in its searches
[15:50] <melodie> ok
[15:50] <melodie> do you know Libreoffice can produce html pages?
[15:50] <Kilos> no i never use office stuff
[15:51] <melodie> I have tried with OpenOffice long ago, the code was somehow ugly looking, but for one or two static pages you don't really mind.
[15:51] <melodie> I had tried Amaya also several times, it's a tool from a W3C team, but it's a huge piece of code that just doesn't work (crashes)
[15:51] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <melodie> perhaps would it work in Windows... there are versions for both linux and windows
[15:52] <Kilos> i only use windows to fix kids laptops
[15:52] <melodie> I had pulled a template using it, and did a few tutorials to include in a distro in the paste years
[15:52] <melodie> I almost never use Windows, same, only to fix people's machines
[15:53] <Kilos> i like 12.04 bento
[15:53] <Kilos> everything is working fine
[15:54] <Kilos> it even sees my d-link modem the ubuntu doesnt
[15:56] <melodie> here is one:
[15:56] <melodie> http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/misc/Documentations/PCLinuxOS/Documentation/aide_installation/fr/aide_installation.html
[15:57] <melodie> for network I have installed all possible and imaginable packages in the Bento versions
[15:57] <melodie> that comes from my former experience at PCLinuxOS
[15:57] <Kilos> ah
[15:57] <melodie> make the things as easy as possible for the end users, make the distro work out of the box
[15:58] <Kilos> yes
[15:59] <melodie> as much as possible… considering the huuuuge variety of components used to build computers
[15:59] <Kilos> its a massive job, thats why i said the other day you should just do it for lts
[16:00] <melodie> Kilos if you browse the page of the link I gave you above, you will see the screenshots of the very first spin I had done with pclinuxos : it was the distro just provided in French instead of in English (which could be difficult as they remove all languages and docs to make more programs fit in the official version)
[16:01] <melodie> and you will see pictures of backgrounds, with a cat looking up :D (from the kde-look.org graphics project)
[16:01] <melodie> that was end 2009 ^^
[16:02] <Kilos> you have too much time on your hands
[16:02] <melodie> I do it for LTS, just I am foreseeing some progress for the next LTS in 2016 so I need to follow the versions in between, at least in my current setup and provide test versions on the web under the shape of small isos
[16:02] <melodie> I don't have it, I take the time
[16:02] <melodie> I have a goal
[16:03] <Kilos> whats the goal
[16:03] <melodie> I started only 10 years ago with just one knowledge : typing on a keybaord
[16:03] <Kilos> you too clever for me
[16:03] <melodie> my goal is to learn as much as possible and get a job with a decent salary, doing what I like doing, with computer skills
[16:04] <Kilos> aha, good goal
[16:04] <melodie> I didn't have an accident as you did, so I am a bit more lucky, however there are other skills and gifts you have which I probably dont. :)
[16:05] <Kilos> no i dont think so
[16:05] <Kilos> oh i can fix cars and tractors
[16:06] <Kilos> and say what diseases affect cattle and sheep and how to cure them
[16:06] <melodie> you can gather communities, help your sister with the sheep, that should count for something!
[16:06] <melodie> :)
[16:06] <Kilos> lol
[16:07] <melodie> Kilos now from this page:
[16:07] <melodie> http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/misc/Documentations/PCLinuxOS/Documentation/aide_installation/fr/aide_installation.html
[16:07] <melodie> you might want to do a right-click, select "display source" and keep a copy of the source, which you could use as a template to play with it.
[16:08] <melodie> hi elacheche_anis !
[16:08] <melodie> I got your memo, thanks!
[16:08] <Kilos> nono no source for me,
[16:08] <melodie> XD
[16:08] <Kilos> elacheche_anis  loafer
[16:08] <melodie> ok
[16:09] <Kilos> you peeps make me old with all the source and code
[16:10] <melodie> Kilos the sources contain comments: this is what helps you understand parts of the code
[16:10] <melodie> and the source of this page has some comments too :)
[16:10] <melodie> even some I added at the time
[16:10] <Kilos> lol
[16:10] <elacheche_anis> o/
[16:10]  * elacheche_anis is  sleepy 
[16:10] <melodie> the comments are written in plain text so you can read them with no pain
[16:15] <melodie> elacheche_anis didn't do a nap?
[16:15] <Kilos> he naps all the time
[16:16] <melodie> Kilos the { missing : that was my issue!
[16:16] <melodie> oh wao, redid the iso 3 times XD
[16:16] <Kilos> wow
[16:17] <melodie> it was finding the error and was falling back on the default lxpanel setup from the lxde project. so ugly!
[16:18] <Kilos> thats the thing every character has another meaning
[16:18] <Kilos> { and [
[16:19] <melodie> well, one missing bracket to close a block of text and done: the system does not understand anymore what to do
[16:21] <Kilos> ha he gave up
[16:21] <melodie> i think his connection gave up
[16:21] <melodie> what do you think?
[16:21] <Kilos> yes
[16:21] <Kilos> he will be back
[16:22] <Kilos> big problem all over, bad connections
[16:23] <melodie> the big companies are too busy using them to gather the Big Data to exploit our information. It's their fault!
[16:23] <melodie> and governements! :D
[16:23] <Kilos> yea
[16:26] <melodie> Kilos the version number was wrong, I redo the iso
[16:26] <Kilos> ouch
[16:27] <melodie> 14.04.1 sayd lsb_release -d
[16:27] <melodie> it's .2
[16:27] <melodie> XD
[16:27] <melodie> I always keep the last version before I redo, incase something goes wrong in the next, I have a fallback
[16:27] <melodie> I push it in a TMP directory I did in my home
[17:16] <melodie> Kilos that's it, the iso it good to go now!
[17:16] <Kilos> good girl well done
[17:17] <melodie> uploading now, and will redo the x86_64
[17:19] <melodie> I have done some digging in "man diff" to find what I did different in i386 and there, so I put both on the same level - the filesystem.manifest created in the iso allows seeing what packages are installed, and diff has handy options to see fast what is better on one side an other
[17:19] <Kilos> ok
[18:02] <melodie> Kilos a few pics?
[18:02] <Kilos> ok
[18:02] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org/wp-content/uploads/images/2-en-sushi-trusty-rc.png
[18:02] <Kilos> then i go sleep
[18:02] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org/wp-content/uploads/images/sushi-trusty-rc.png
[18:02] <melodie> this one is a session in French
[18:03] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org/wp-content/uploads/images/en-sushi-trusty-rc.png
[18:03] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org/wp-content/uploads/images/2-sushi-trusty-rc.png
[18:03] <Kilos> wow looks good melodie
[18:04] <melodie> :)
[18:04] <melodie> thanks
[18:04] <Kilos> keep up the good work
[18:04] <melodie> I hope it will work well in folks machines too
[18:04] <melodie> yes
[18:05] <melodie> will try
[18:05] <melodie> is it 8 pm your time or later?
[18:05] <Kilos> ok then , ty for sharing with me
[18:05] <melodie> welcome!
[18:05] <Kilos> yah im tired
[18:05] <melodie> always happy to share with foss users
[18:05] <Kilos> lol
[18:05] <melodie> :)
[18:05] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[18:05] <melodie> ok
[18:05] <Kilos> :D
[18:05] <melodie> :)
[18:05] <Kilos> be good
[18:06] <melodie> be good too (what time is it your time now?)
[18:06] <Kilos> 8.07 pm
[18:06] <melodie> same here
[18:06] <melodie> so you go sleep very early
[18:07] <Kilos> nono but im tired more today, head not happy
[18:07] <melodie> ok
[18:07] <melodie> take good care
[18:07] <Kilos> slepp tight
[18:07] <Kilos> ty i will
[18:07] <melodie> :)
[20:33] <superfly> Anyone here ever set up a network bridge using network manager?
[20:33] <superfly> All the guides I've seen and followed don't work for me
[20:37] <superfly> heh, not to worry, a reboot fixed it
[20:37] <superfly> -_-