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| liuxg | why a property defined in Page is not recognized if it is not referred as something like "page.a"? In other cases, it can be directly referred as "a" directly? | 03:52 |
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| Drew_Neilson | Is anyone in here active? I have a question | 04:41 |
| nhaines | !question | 05:38 |
| ubot5 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 05:38 |
| nhaines | Drew_Neilson: Just peeked in... but in theory I could've answered you if you'd asked. :) Don't worry, IRC's a little different that way. :) | 05:38 |
| Drew_Neilson | oh | 05:41 |
| Drew_Neilson | so I'd like to know, is Ubuntu Touch 3.5 the latest stable version of Ubuntu Touch? | 05:42 |
| Drew_Neilson | I was looking at a list of changelogs, and it appears to be so, but I wanted to ask so I could be sure. | 05:43 |
| Drew_Neilson | !question | 05:46 |
| ubot5 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 05:46 |
| Drew_Neilson | nhaines I'd like to know, is Ubuntu Touch 3.5 the latest stable version of Ubuntu Touch? | 05:47 |
| Drew_Neilson | I was looking at a list of changelogs, and it appears to be so, but I wanted to ask so I could be sure. | 05:47 |
| atmpuser | hello, i have an old galaxy nexus and try to run ubuntu on it. I read the manual "porting-new-device", but is is too simple in the chapter "Enabling a new device". i do not known how to do, next. what i should read next, can anyone offer me some suggestions. thanks! | 05:50 |
| nhaines | 3.5? | 05:52 |
| nhaines | Drew_Neilson: what device are you running it on? | 05:52 |
| nhaines | atmpuser: I believe that porting Ubuntu to the Galaxy Nexus is impossible because there are no compatible graphics drivers available. | 05:53 |
| Drew_Neilson | I'm sorry nhaines, I had to disappear for a moment. I'm back. I don't have a device, I was just wondering what the latest stable version of Ubuntu Touch is. | 06:21 |
| nhaines | Drew_Neilson: Ah, no worries. | 06:21 |
| Drew_Neilson | Is it 3.5? | 06:21 |
| nhaines | It's different for every device. I *believe* it's r21 on bq and r19 on Nexus 4. | 06:21 |
| Drew_Neilson | why is it different on every device? | 06:22 |
| Drew_Neilson | different drivers? | 06:22 |
| nhaines | Pretty much. | 06:24 |
| nhaines | Basically, it's a little like asking "What's the latest version of Ubuntu 15.04?" You just install it and run all the updates. | 06:25 |
| nhaines | The latest update is nicknamed OTA-3.5 (because it was a smaller update since OTA-4 was delayed) but that doesn't really tell you what to download from the server, which will be an 'r' number. | 06:28 |
| Drew_Neilson | well, my reason for asking is I wanted to do a Google search for [stability OR bugs iOS-8.3 vs Android-5.1.1 vs "Ubuntu Touch"-3.5] to see if there are any web pages that compare the stability of each of these OSes, and/or talk about bugs in them. If there are none, then I wanted to Google [stability OR bugs "Ubuntu Touch"-3.5] to learn about any stability issues or bugs in version 3.5 | 06:28 |
| Drew_Neilson | . But I realized I needed to make sure that 3.5 is the latest "stable" version. | 06:28 |
| Drew_Neilson | nhaines given what I'm trying to search for, should I say ["Ubuntu Touch"-3.5] in my queries, or should I say something else? | 06:31 |
| nhaines | I'd be shocked if that came up with anything meaningful. | 06:32 |
| nhaines | I can say that the OS has gotten progressively more stable, and "OTA-4" is going to jump from a 14.10 base to a 15.04 base. So it's likely to be bad timing anyway since the entire OS is going to change in the next update. | 06:32 |
| nhaines | (Scheduled for end of the month, with final QA testing and signoff probably in the first week of June.) | 06:33 |
| Drew_Neilson | Good that I'm chatting with you then, so that I know this! | 06:33 |
| nhaines | Yeah, it's a little different. :) | 06:34 |
| Drew_Neilson | Ok, so what I gather is that Ubuntu Touch uses a different version system than desktop Ubuntu, and that each version of Ubuntu Touch is based on one of the versions of desktop Ubuntu. And that Ubuntu Touch 4 will be based on Ubuntu 15.04. | 06:36 |
| nhaines | The next official over-the-air release to hit the retail Ubuntu phones will be based on Ubuntu 15.04. | 06:37 |
| nhaines | But I've been running that on my tablet for about two months. And on my phone I'd go back and forth. | 06:38 |
| Drew_Neilson | nhaines I guess you're in the development channel, not the stable channel, right? | 06:38 |
| nhaines | Yup. Of course, it helped that the stable channel was completely useless on the tablet. :) | 06:40 |
| nhaines | They're changing all the channels, though, soon. | 06:40 |
| Drew_Neilson | how so? | 06:40 |
| nhaines | I'm not entirely sure. But I think it's going to make things easier when they have many devices out on the market. | 06:42 |
| Drew_Neilson | Also, if the retail phones are currently running version 3.5, and will soon be upgraded to 4.0, what are the Nexus devices running? | 06:42 |
| Drew_Neilson | stable channel, that is | 06:43 |
| nhaines | They're running whatever the developer put on them. | 06:43 |
| nhaines | I can only imagine most are using devel instead of devel-proposed. | 06:43 |
| Drew_Neilson | but with Nexus devices, Canonical IS the developer, right? | 06:44 |
| Drew_Neilson | oh, nevermind, I just got what you meant | 06:44 |
| nhaines | The developer is whomever is holding the phone in their hand. :) | 06:44 |
| Drew_Neilson | right | 06:44 |
| nhaines | Basically, all phone development this year has been "Make sure the bq Aquaris works right" with "fix the Nexus 4 if there's time" as the goals. | 06:45 |
| Drew_Neilson | What I meant to ask is, what is the most recent stable version of Ubuntu Touch for Nexus devices, and will a newer version be coming out soon like it is for the retail devices? | 06:46 |
| Drew_Neilson | and what desktop version is it based on? | 06:46 |
| nhaines | I don't know because I'm running it on my Nexus 5. Which I think tends to coorespond to the N4 build numbers but I'm not sure. :) | 06:47 |
| Drew_Neilson | ok | 06:47 |
| Drew_Neilson | my whole reason for asking all of these questions, is so that I can do the Google searches I described above, and I wanted to use the latest versions of each OS in my query (iOS 8.3, Android 5.1.1, Ubuntu Touch 3.5, etc.) | 06:49 |
| nhaines | The OS almost never crashes. Sometimes apps do, but usually due to app bugs. There was a Unity 8 crasher occasionally but because everything's transitioning from utopic to vivid and the bug was rare, I don't think anyone ever followed up on it. | 06:49 |
| nhaines | I'm not sure "stable" is going to be a very good metric. | 06:49 |
| nhaines | Everyone's angry about Android 5.0, 5.0.2, 5.1, and now 5.1.1 is coming out I think on the Nexus 5, but it's been stable for me. | 06:50 |
| Drew_Neilson | well I figured "stable" would make more sense for all OSes, because "development" versions are, by definition, more likely to have bugs, right? | 06:50 |
| nhaines | Yes, but a lot of bugs don't affect stability. | 06:52 |
| nhaines | And all three OSes are so entirely, utterly different from each other you might as well research stability of airplanes vs. steamboats vs. bicycles. | 06:52 |
| nhaines | There's just not likely to be any basis for comparison. iOS is a heavily modified BSD with some mobile framework, Android is a Java reimplementation and Ubuntu is a QT stack. | 06:54 |
| Drew_Neilson | well the bugs in iOS 8 have made the tech news headlines, and I'd also read about bugs in Android 5.x, so I wanted to do a comparison (and add Ubuntu, Windows Phone 8.1, etc.) in order to put them in context. | 06:55 |
| nhaines | Any headlines are going to focus on the bq Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition phone, not the N4. | 06:57 |
| Drew_Neilson | That would make sense, since the BQ is a consumer phone, while Ubuntu for N4 is not a retail phone. | 06:59 |
| nhaines | And has been out of manufacture for over two years now. :) | 07:00 |
| Drew_Neilson | right | 07:00 |
| nhaines | Plus, I don't think there are any networks of websites dedicated to Ubuntu phones as there are for Android and iOS devices. :) | 07:01 |
| nhaines | Just be thoughtful when comparing search results, is what I'm suggesting. | 07:02 |
| Drew_Neilson | right | 07:02 |
| Drew_Neilson | but back to a question I asked earlier, if I had a Nexus 4 and wanted to run the latest stable version of Ubuntu Touch on it, what version would it be? 3.5? and how do the "r" versions factor in? | 07:04 |
| nhaines | nhaines@savanna:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --device mako | 07:06 |
| nhaines | 2015/05/24 00:06:27 Device is |mako| | 07:06 |
| nhaines | 2015/05/24 00:06:27 Flashing version 19 from ubuntu-touch/stable channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device mako | 07:06 |
| nhaines | So it looks like r19 is the latest stable version for the Nexus 4. | 07:06 |
| nhaines | Every time a build is promoted, the release number increments. | 07:07 |
| Drew_Neilson | does r19 correspond directly to Ubuntu Touch 3.5? | 07:09 |
| nhaines | It probably corresponds to OTA-3.5 | 07:10 |
| nhaines | "Ubuntu Touch" doesn't exist as such and the Ubuntu running on the devices are rolling releases. the OTA-3.5 thing is more of a milestone for bug and feature tracking than anything else. | 07:10 |
| Drew_Neilson | basically, I'm trying to figure out which term to use in my search: ["Ubuntu Touch"-3.5], ["Ubuntu Touch"-r19], or ["Ubuntu Touch"-3.5 OR "Ubuntu Touch"-r19] | 07:13 |
| nhaines | I doubt any of those will work. | 07:14 |
| nhaines | "OTA-3.5" might be the most effective. | 07:15 |
| Drew_Neilson | I'm trying to be as inclusive as possible with latest versions. Perhaps I should find out what r version the other Nexus devices run. | 07:15 |
| nhaines | The Nexus 7 doesn't run the current OTA version at all. | 07:18 |
| nhaines | And devel/ubuntu r2 is ancient. I'm running devel-proposed/ubuntu r207 on my Nexus 7. | 07:18 |
| nhaines | The -proposed channel builds daily and then that's frozen and tested and promoted to the standard channel, with a different revision number. | 07:23 |
| nhaines | And of course, they're changing the way that works--I'm waiting for the final announcement to really read up on how. | 07:23 |
| Drew_Neilson | where will they post this announcement? | 07:25 |
| nhaines | The ubuntu-phone mailing list: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/ | 07:26 |
| nhaines | As per https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12875.html | 07:27 |
| Drew_Neilson | Thanks | 07:28 |
| Drew_Neilson | It's getting WAY past my bedtime, so I think I'd better go :-) Gotta go to sleepytown | 07:29 |
| nhaines | Oh, looks like the documentation did update though. I thought they hadn't published it yet: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ | 07:29 |
| nhaines | Haha, all right. Hopefully it'll all make sense in the morning. | 07:29 |
| nhaines | Good luck! | 07:29 |
| Drew_Neilson | oh, so that has info on the new versioning system? | 07:30 |
| nhaines | Looks like. I suspect on Monday or Tuesday there will be better information. | 07:31 |
| Drew_Neilson | Good to know, thanks. | 07:31 |
| Drew_Neilson | And now, off to sleepytown | 07:31 |
| nhaines | Good night! | 07:31 |
| Drew_Neilson | night | 07:32 |
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