[05:35] <knightwise> Morning
[05:50] <knightwise> hey Hornet-
[07:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:00] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:01] <MooDoo> :)
[08:06] <mapps> hi all
[08:06] <mapps> im back in uk atm;p
[08:06] <MooDoo> nice wb
[08:06] <mapps> next stop is Ukraine:)
[08:07] <MooDoo> you doing a eurovision tour ;)
[08:07] <mapps> haha nah
[08:07] <mapps> im a lone warrior remeber
[08:08] <mapps> but my next stop is kiev
[08:12] <brobostigon> stay out of the war. dont get hot by bullets.
[08:12] <brobostigon> hit*
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> getting hot by bullets..
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> friction or burning?
[08:15] <brobostigon> both.
[08:15] <elfy> so don't get hit by hot bullets
[08:16] <mapps> brobostigon thats eastn ukraine;p
[08:16] <brobostigon> mapps: i know, it was meant to be a joke.
[08:16] <mapps> ie got a friend who said he'll meet me at the airport
[08:16] <mapps> :D
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> I went the other way -- I drove around the UK for a week :)
[08:16] <brobostigon> maybe it was a burning arrow being carries on the back of a bullet?
[08:17] <brobostigon> carried*
[08:18] <mapps> my friend said he
[08:18] <mapps> 'is scary to come'
[08:18] <mapps> but i think we will be ok at ukraine:)
[08:19] <SuperEngineer> mapps, why do you keep going on about uk rain?
[08:19] <SuperEngineer> [& there's no "e" in rain]
[08:19] <mapps> because its where im going
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Ye Olde Raine.
[08:20] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> aka tap water
[09:35] <knightwise> hey everyone
[09:41] <popey> yo
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> wow, nearly forgot, happy towel day everyone...
[11:36] <bashrc> happy towel day
[11:44] <knightwise> hey everyone
[11:44] <knightwise> happy towel day  :)
[11:45] <knightwise> hmm.. i wish Xorg still existed
[11:45]  * knightwise having trouble with his ultrawide monitor
[11:45] <shauno> so you'd like 2 problems instead?  ;)
[11:46] <knightwise> Dunno .. at least in Xorg I knew how to add a resolution
[11:46] <knightwise> Ati card is having trouble with the 2560x1440 res of my screen
[11:52] <knightwise> somehow it just goed up to 2560x1080
[11:52] <penguin42> for X I'd know where to suggest looking
[11:52] <knightwise> I assume its x (14.04 on a mac mini)
[11:52] <penguin42> knightwise: Well, in that case look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for errors or warnings
[11:53] <penguin42> knightwise: and also xrandr to see what it lists as available resolutions
[11:53] <knightwise> according to xrandr the max res it knows is 2560x1080
[11:54] <penguin42> knightwise: ok, so /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the best thing to look at
[11:55] <penguin42> knightwise: Look for any lines with (EE) or (WW) in that are errors or warnings (there are normally a few WW anyway) and also see if the 2560x1440 appears anywhere in it
[11:55] <knightwise> no errors , but 2560x1440 doesnt show up anywhere either
[11:56] <penguin42> fun
[11:56] <penguin42> knightwise: What's the card and which driver?
[11:56] <knightwise> checking , holdon
[11:57]  * penguin42 was expecting it to list it but reject it at some point
[11:57] <knightwise> radeon 6600/6700 fglrx-updates proprietary driver
[11:59] <penguin42> hmm, I've not used the proprietary one for a few years; I use the open one on my hd4350
[12:01] <penguin42> knightwise: OK, not sure if this will work, but.....
[12:02] <penguin42> knightwise: install the read-edid package  then do           find /sys -name edid            it will find one pseudo-file for each output
[12:02] <penguin42> knightwise: then do       parse-edid < /sys/devices/whatever      where the whatever comes from the find
[12:02] <penguin42> knightwise: That should give you the information that the monitor is telling the host
[12:09] <knightwise> i have been looking at adding the resolution to xrandr but  that does not seem to work
[12:11] <penguin42> knightwise: Since you're using the fglrx driver perhaps you should use the setup tool that comes with it?
[12:11] <knightwise> aha i'll look for that
[12:12] <knightwise> erm .. how do i open that tool ?
[12:15] <knightwise> i think i found it :)
[12:15] <penguin42> knightwise: Anyway, if you don't get the monitor working, just ship it here
[12:17] <knightwise> ah wait
[12:17] <knightwise> the res of my screen IS 2560x1080
[12:18] <knightwise> it was throwing up an error when I booted because it saw 1920x1080
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> i was using 800x600 in 2010 :-)
[12:18] <penguin42> knightwise: Ah ha!
[12:19] <knightwise> ok , so this appears to be working :)
[12:20] <knightwise> ok , all I need to fix now is Chrome
[12:20] <knightwise> looks like it gets all jumbled up when i scroll
[12:22] <penguin42> that sounds like a driver bug
[12:30] <knightwise> ok , rolling back to the open source driver , see if that helps :)
[13:48] <diddledan_> eh? wish xorg still existed? <-- does it not then?
[13:59]  * SuperEngineer ponders the declination of this new verb "then"
[14:01] <diddledan__> I hope you're not expecting me to even. because I can't even.
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> perhaps they a word? :-P
[14:02] <penguin42> all these pedants worry about verbification
[14:03] <diddledan__> penguin42: don't you mean "verbing"?
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> what do they know? :-)
[14:03] <diddledan__> verb is a verb now
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> they'll be wanting us to make less mistakes next...
[14:03] <diddledan__> I need to verb this.
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> it will literally drive them nuts...
[14:04] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, verbify.. also a verb?
[14:05] <SuperEngineer> the thingg  is, yo sea,I neeever mak a mustuke
[14:06] <SuperEngineer> [except when typing, writing, or speaking]
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> as lnog as  the frist and lsat lteters are in rghit plcae it all wroks ok
[14:06] <SuperEngineer> :D
[14:07] <diddledan__> err. was that english?
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> and makes dyslexics happy :-)
[14:07] <diddledan__> what's the capital of England? (hint, it's E)
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was bristol as dr. who turns up there a lot? :-)
[14:08] <diddledan__> don't you mean swansea
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[14:08] <SuperEngineer> or Cardiff?
[14:08] <diddledan__> aah yea, cardiff
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> ^and this
[14:08] <diddledan__> see, I suck!
[14:08]  * diddledan__ finds a minto to suck on
[14:09]  * zmoylan-pi passes around a bag of murray mints
[14:09] <diddledan__> mmm
[14:09] <diddledan__> tasty sickles
[14:09] <diddledan__> futurama ftw, btw
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> it has it's moments
[14:10] <diddledan__> https://youtu.be/Ki7VqBmkf7M
[14:23] <knightwise> ok , erm .. stupid question. What version of the 14.04 (or 15.04) distro do you use to install on a mac mini with Xeon processorts
[14:23] <knightwise> the 64 bit right ?
[14:23] <penguin42> either 32 or 64 should work
[14:23] <penguin42> hang on, a mac mini with a Xeon?
[14:24] <knightwise> its an I7 mac mini
[14:24] <penguin42> why do they put the xeons in them rather than the i7 variant?
[14:24] <knightwise> i have 16 gigs of ram , so i should go for the 64 bit version , correct ?
[14:25] <penguin42> yes, always use teh 64bit version unless your hardware doesn't support it
[14:26] <knightwise> so does EFI boot matter ?
[14:27]  * zmoylan-pi casts ward silliness at mention of efi....
[14:28] <penguin42> knightwise: I don't think so these days; the only weirdness now is that if you have a 32bit EFI (that's very very rare) then you need to do special stuff
[14:31] <knightwise> ok , because I downloaded the 64 bit version of elementary and got the error code "controller not found'
[14:33] <penguin42> now which controller is the question
[14:34] <knightwise> i think it might be the video controller, holdon , i'll boot
[14:35] <knightwise> i8042 no controller found
[14:37] <penguin42> oh that's OK I think - that's just saying you've not got PS/2 keyboard
[14:38] <knightwise> yep .. but it hangs on that screen
[14:38] <knightwise> I have a wireless logitech keyboard with one of those little remote usb controllers
[14:38] <knightwise> do i need to plug in a generic usb keyboard ?
[14:39] <penguin42> I don' the i8042 message is relevant to your problem; it's just the last message before it went wrong - but it's worth trying a generic usb keyboard if you've got one, I'd heard other people having problems with some of the logitech wireless
[14:40] <knightwise> ok , getting a kb from the basement now
[14:41] <zmoylan-pi> something with an at connector so you can connect a at -> ps2 -> usb adapter... :-)
[14:42]  * penguin42 isn't sure where his at->ps2 adapter is, I'd like to see if some of my more keyboards still work
[14:43] <knightwise> got a generic mac keyboard (wired)
[14:44] <knightwise> nope , same problem
[14:45]  * penguin42 guesses more likely a graphics problem
[14:45] <knightwise> hmm there is a radeon 6600 in there
[14:46] <penguin42> should work
[14:46] <knightwise> god .. this used to just work ...
[14:57] <diddledan_> knightwise: good to see the new season of your podcast \o/
[15:00] <diddledan_> jeebers. win10 is bsodding every other minute today
[15:01] <diddledan_> hmm, seems my surface overheated
[15:01] <diddledan_> it's shutdown with a thermometer icon on the screen just prior
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> that's not good
[15:01]  * diddledan_ leaves it for a bit to cool-off
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> surface 4... now with noisy cooling fans... :-P
[15:02] <zmoylan-pi> and being ms they'll face upwards so that if you use it outside in the rain it'll be a funnel... :-D
[15:07] <penguin42> an over heating tablet, there had to be a time
[17:37] <bujji> popey:when i use "rm  <file name>"as a user with 777 permissions in file its not warn me why?
[17:38] <dutchie> why would it warn you?
[17:38] <bujji> if i use run that command as aroot user its warn me?
[17:39] <bujji> dutchie:may i know the reason ?
[17:40] <dutchie> what was the warning?
[17:42] <bujji> dutchie:rm:remove regular empty file 'file.txt' ? when i run as a root user with 777 perm
[17:44] <bujji> dutchie:"rm file.txt"
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> Some distributions alias "rm" to "rm -i" for the root account
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> to protect against accidents
[17:45] <dutchie> yes it's most likely that
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> you can check by running the command "aliasA"
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> uh
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> the command "alias"
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> also, probably, in .bashrc or .bash_profile, or similar (there's a list of startup scripts in the bash manual, "man bash")
[17:46] <bujji> yeah i found that
[17:47] <bujji> MartijnVds:if i unalias that one it wont ask like that
[17:48] <bujji> MartijnVdS:let me check in user
[17:51] <bujji> MartijnVdS:got it,thank you.
[18:22] <diddledan_> canonical might IPO?
[18:22]  * diddledan_ googles
[18:23] <diddledan_> http://www.zdnet.com/article/mark-shuttleworth-considering-canonical-ipo/
[18:56] <shauno> lol "We now have a story that the market will understand."
[18:56] <shauno> the desktop/server/cloud/mobile/container/throw spaghetti at the wall story?
[18:56] <diddledan_> lol
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> well if you substitute the spaghetti... :-P
[19:16] <popey> evening all
[19:16] <popey> \o/ free wifi in pubs
[19:16] <diddledan_> \o/
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> i don't use free wifi, i don't trust it paranoid sod that i am :-)
[19:23]  * popey hugs ssl
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> i think it was when i went to my first hacker meetup and they announced they had at last minute arranged free wifi... just made my spider sense tingle... :-)
[19:25] <diddledan_> eep
[19:25] <diddledan_> yeah free wifi in hacker cons are bad bad
[19:26] <zmoylan-pi> and sure enough they showed what folks were browsing during the meetup at one of the last talks.
[19:26] <diddledan_> also check your mobile phones don't connect to random gsm networks
[19:26] <zmoylan-pi> at the time gsm fake networks were next to impossible.  not impossible but very rare
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> there was an android app that could show all the 2g/3g towers in an area so you could check them out