[05:35] Morning [05:50] hey Hornet- === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:50] morning boys and girls. [08:00] morning brobostigon [08:00] morning MooDoo [08:01] :) [08:06] hi all [08:06] im back in uk atm;p [08:06] nice wb [08:06] next stop is Ukraine:) [08:07] you doing a eurovision tour ;) [08:07] haha nah [08:07] im a lone warrior remeber [08:08] but my next stop is kiev [08:12] stay out of the war. dont get hot by bullets. [08:12] hit* [08:15] getting hot by bullets.. [08:15] friction or burning? [08:15] both. [08:15] so don't get hit by hot bullets [08:16] brobostigon thats eastn ukraine;p [08:16] mapps: i know, it was meant to be a joke. [08:16] ie got a friend who said he'll meet me at the airport [08:16] :D [08:16] I went the other way -- I drove around the UK for a week :) [08:16] maybe it was a burning arrow being carries on the back of a bullet? [08:17] carried* [08:18] my friend said he [08:18] 'is scary to come' [08:18] but i think we will be ok at ukraine:) [08:19] mapps, why do you keep going on about uk rain? [08:19] [& there's no "e" in rain] [08:19] because its where im going [08:20] SuperEngineer: Ye Olde Raine. [08:20] ;) [08:20] aka tap water [09:35] hey everyone [09:41] yo [11:18] wow, nearly forgot, happy towel day everyone... [11:36] happy towel day [11:44] hey everyone [11:44] happy towel day :) [11:45] hmm.. i wish Xorg still existed [11:45] * knightwise having trouble with his ultrawide monitor [11:45] so you'd like 2 problems instead? ;) [11:46] Dunno .. at least in Xorg I knew how to add a resolution [11:46] Ati card is having trouble with the 2560x1440 res of my screen [11:52] somehow it just goed up to 2560x1080 [11:52] for X I'd know where to suggest looking [11:52] I assume its x (14.04 on a mac mini) [11:52] knightwise: Well, in that case look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for errors or warnings [11:53] knightwise: and also xrandr to see what it lists as available resolutions [11:53] according to xrandr the max res it knows is 2560x1080 [11:54] knightwise: ok, so /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the best thing to look at [11:55] knightwise: Look for any lines with (EE) or (WW) in that are errors or warnings (there are normally a few WW anyway) and also see if the 2560x1440 appears anywhere in it [11:55] no errors , but 2560x1440 doesnt show up anywhere either [11:56] fun [11:56] knightwise: What's the card and which driver? [11:56] checking , holdon [11:57] * penguin42 was expecting it to list it but reject it at some point [11:57] radeon 6600/6700 fglrx-updates proprietary driver [11:59] hmm, I've not used the proprietary one for a few years; I use the open one on my hd4350 [12:01] knightwise: OK, not sure if this will work, but..... [12:02] knightwise: install the read-edid package then do find /sys -name edid it will find one pseudo-file for each output [12:02] knightwise: then do parse-edid < /sys/devices/whatever where the whatever comes from the find [12:02] knightwise: That should give you the information that the monitor is telling the host [12:09] i have been looking at adding the resolution to xrandr but that does not seem to work [12:11] knightwise: Since you're using the fglrx driver perhaps you should use the setup tool that comes with it? [12:11] aha i'll look for that [12:12] erm .. how do i open that tool ? [12:15] i think i found it :) [12:15] knightwise: Anyway, if you don't get the monitor working, just ship it here [12:17] ah wait [12:17] the res of my screen IS 2560x1080 [12:18] it was throwing up an error when I booted because it saw 1920x1080 [12:18] i was using 800x600 in 2010 :-) [12:18] knightwise: Ah ha! [12:19] ok , so this appears to be working :) [12:20] ok , all I need to fix now is Chrome [12:20] looks like it gets all jumbled up when i scroll [12:22] that sounds like a driver bug [12:30] ok , rolling back to the open source driver , see if that helps :) [13:48] eh? wish xorg still existed? <-- does it not then? [13:59] * SuperEngineer ponders the declination of this new verb "then" [14:01] I hope you're not expecting me to even. because I can't even. [14:01] perhaps they a word? :-P [14:02] all these pedants worry about verbification [14:03] penguin42: don't you mean "verbing"? [14:03] what do they know? :-) [14:03] verb is a verb now [14:03] they'll be wanting us to make less mistakes next... [14:03] I need to verb this. [14:04] it will literally drive them nuts... [14:04] penguin42, verbify.. also a verb? [14:05] the thingg is, yo sea,I neeever mak a mustuke [14:06] [except when typing, writing, or speaking] [14:06] as lnog as the frist and lsat lteters are in rghit plcae it all wroks ok [14:06] :D [14:07] err. was that english? [14:07] and makes dyslexics happy :-) [14:07] what's the capital of England? (hint, it's E) [14:08] i thought it was bristol as dr. who turns up there a lot? :-) [14:08] don't you mean swansea [14:08] ^this [14:08] or Cardiff? [14:08] aah yea, cardiff [14:08] ^and this [14:08] see, I suck! [14:08] * diddledan__ finds a minto to suck on [14:09] * zmoylan-pi passes around a bag of murray mints [14:09] mmm [14:09] tasty sickles [14:09] futurama ftw, btw [14:10] it has it's moments [14:10] https://youtu.be/Ki7VqBmkf7M [14:23] ok , erm .. stupid question. What version of the 14.04 (or 15.04) distro do you use to install on a mac mini with Xeon processorts [14:23] the 64 bit right ? [14:23] either 32 or 64 should work [14:23] hang on, a mac mini with a Xeon? [14:24] its an I7 mac mini [14:24] why do they put the xeons in them rather than the i7 variant? [14:24] i have 16 gigs of ram , so i should go for the 64 bit version , correct ? [14:25] yes, always use teh 64bit version unless your hardware doesn't support it [14:26] so does EFI boot matter ? [14:27] * zmoylan-pi casts ward silliness at mention of efi.... [14:28] knightwise: I don't think so these days; the only weirdness now is that if you have a 32bit EFI (that's very very rare) then you need to do special stuff [14:31] ok , because I downloaded the 64 bit version of elementary and got the error code "controller not found' [14:33] now which controller is the question [14:34] i think it might be the video controller, holdon , i'll boot [14:35] i8042 no controller found [14:37] oh that's OK I think - that's just saying you've not got PS/2 keyboard [14:38] yep .. but it hangs on that screen [14:38] I have a wireless logitech keyboard with one of those little remote usb controllers [14:38] do i need to plug in a generic usb keyboard ? [14:39] I don' the i8042 message is relevant to your problem; it's just the last message before it went wrong - but it's worth trying a generic usb keyboard if you've got one, I'd heard other people having problems with some of the logitech wireless [14:40] ok , getting a kb from the basement now [14:41] something with an at connector so you can connect a at -> ps2 -> usb adapter... :-) [14:42] * penguin42 isn't sure where his at->ps2 adapter is, I'd like to see if some of my more keyboards still work [14:43] got a generic mac keyboard (wired) [14:44] nope , same problem [14:45] * penguin42 guesses more likely a graphics problem [14:45] hmm there is a radeon 6600 in there [14:46] should work [14:46] god .. this used to just work ... [14:57] knightwise: good to see the new season of your podcast \o/ [15:00] jeebers. win10 is bsodding every other minute today [15:01] hmm, seems my surface overheated [15:01] it's shutdown with a thermometer icon on the screen just prior [15:01] that's not good [15:01] * diddledan_ leaves it for a bit to cool-off [15:01] surface 4... now with noisy cooling fans... :-P [15:02] and being ms they'll face upwards so that if you use it outside in the rain it'll be a funnel... :-D [15:07] an over heating tablet, there had to be a time === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [17:37] popey:when i use "rm "as a user with 777 permissions in file its not warn me why? [17:38] why would it warn you? [17:38] if i use run that command as aroot user its warn me? [17:39] dutchie:may i know the reason ? [17:40] what was the warning? [17:42] dutchie:rm:remove regular empty file 'file.txt' ? when i run as a root user with 777 perm [17:44] dutchie:"rm file.txt" [17:44] Some distributions alias "rm" to "rm -i" for the root account [17:44] to protect against accidents [17:45] yes it's most likely that [17:45] you can check by running the command "aliasA" [17:45] uh [17:45] the command "alias" [17:45] also, probably, in .bashrc or .bash_profile, or similar (there's a list of startup scripts in the bash manual, "man bash") [17:46] yeah i found that [17:47] MartijnVds:if i unalias that one it wont ask like that [17:48] MartijnVdS:let me check in user [17:51] MartijnVdS:got it,thank you. [18:22] canonical might IPO? [18:22] * diddledan_ googles [18:23] http://www.zdnet.com/article/mark-shuttleworth-considering-canonical-ipo/ [18:56] lol "We now have a story that the market will understand." [18:56] the desktop/server/cloud/mobile/container/throw spaghetti at the wall story? [18:56] lol [18:58] well if you substitute the spaghetti... :-P [19:16] evening all [19:16] \o/ free wifi in pubs [19:16] \o/ [19:21] i don't use free wifi, i don't trust it paranoid sod that i am :-) [19:23] * popey hugs ssl [19:25] i think it was when i went to my first hacker meetup and they announced they had at last minute arranged free wifi... just made my spider sense tingle... :-) [19:25] eep [19:25] yeah free wifi in hacker cons are bad bad [19:26] and sure enough they showed what folks were browsing during the meetup at one of the last talks. [19:26] also check your mobile phones don't connect to random gsm networks [19:26] at the time gsm fake networks were next to impossible. not impossible but very rare [19:27] there was an android app that could show all the 2g/3g towers in an area so you could check them out === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte