[09:14] pleia2, thanks [09:39] updated the website front page with an image [09:39] (which has been in the pipe for a long time [09:39] ) [09:52] knome, the website isn't loading the top right images [09:52] Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) menu.js?ver=0.1:1 Uncaught ReferenceError: jQuery is not defined http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/desktop-laptop.png Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) [09:53] works fine here [09:53] reload the site [09:54] already done that brainwash, still the same [09:54] cleaning the browser cache [09:54] fine here too [09:54] yeaps, loading them now [09:54] knome: thanks :) [09:55] knome ^^^ [10:00] elfy, np [10:00] slickymasterWork, yah [10:00] was on the phone [10:00] and taking another call -> [10:06] humph [10:06] :P [11:51] good morning everyone! [11:53] hello bluesabre [11:55] hi knome [11:56] what's in the agenda for today? [11:56] answer my pings, release updated exo for gtk2/gtk, sync/merge some packages in xubuntu [11:57] ooh [11:57] no real work? :P [11:57] memorial day in the US [11:57] aha [11:57] office is closed [11:57] i have the official "call everybody" day [11:57] fun! [11:57] not [11:58] :( [11:58] well i guess it could be fun if you just called them [11:58] but since you have to prepare for the calls so you get certain things talked through... [11:59] yeah [12:00] and massive talking in phone is exhausting [12:02] not surprising when you've got words like äesch and Peräsmiehiä :p [12:02] hah! [12:02] agreed! [12:02] hi bluesabre :) [12:03] hey elfy [12:03] oh wow, just discovered super+tab [12:04] what's that supposed to do? [12:04] elfy: Those are more like natural sounds of knome, not real words most ordinary folks would use. [12:04] knome: seems to switch between windows of the same app [12:04] aha [12:05] apparently... [12:12] bluesabre: so it does [12:14] hey folks [12:14] hey ochosi [12:14] sad day, my laptop died :'( [12:14] hi ochosi [12:14] awwh [12:14] oh noes [12:14] RIP [12:14] just thought i'd let you know, might be a week or two until i get a replacement [12:14] was it like this ochosi http://i.imgur.com/hLD8p.jpg [12:15] lolz [12:15] elfy: pretty much [12:15] well, graphics card is fried [12:15] Poor laptop, but at least ochosi isn't hungry. [12:16] well, i'm using an ancient thing from the past now [12:16] but it's hard to get anything done with it [12:18] I bet [12:26] ochosi: but, that means you could probably get some ancient hardware testing done on it :) [12:28] bluesabre: haha, yeah, let's focus on the bright side ;) [12:28] i mean i haven't really used or tested 32bit systems in ages [12:28] so that's definitely new [12:32] elfy: btw, that xfpm bug i asked you to test a longer time ago, we might have a fix for that finally [12:32] eric was able to reproduce [12:32] oh cool [12:33] the new patch is attached to the bugreport [12:33] so in case you're still able to test that, that'd be much appreciated! [12:33] (if you need steps or anything, just lemme know) [12:34] I can do that [12:34] ochosi: link to bug report please :) [12:35] nvm [12:41] k, brb (lunchtime) [12:47] ochosi: assuming I patched it properly - no icon still xfpm is at the far right of panel http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot2015-05-2513-46-00.php [12:56] hmm, i see [12:57] you could - just to be sure - maybe run "git reset --hard origin/master" and then "./autogen.sh clean" [12:57] then re-apply the patch and rebuild [12:57] oh - clean install here - grabbed it again from scratch [12:57] oh [12:58] in that case, crap, i guess [12:58] how did you apply the patch? [12:59] top terminal in screenshot [13:01] oh hang on [13:01] hm, why not "git apply blabla.patch"? [13:01] or "git am blabla.patch" [13:02] because you do this stuff often - I drive a van and rarely do :p [13:03] and not even sure it's downloading properly [13:06] yeah, .cgi doesn't look good tbh [13:06] and hey, you've done a great job at this so far, so no reason to doubt you! :) [13:07] you can go to this page and just save as "bla.patch" or something and then apply: http://bug-attachment.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=6280 [13:07] so cd into the power manager - then git apply foo.patch [13:08] which then just echoes back with no error - assume that's right [13:08] yup [13:09] mmk [13:09] still no icon ;) [13:09] awesome [13:10] at least the plugin isn't crashing constantly [13:10] I'll get a blue crayon for the screen now :D [13:11] hm, not crashing might be considered a step up [13:11] yep for sure [13:11] anyway, i'd say comment on the bugreport with your findings [13:11] just so you're sure - this is on wily - not sure if that'd make a difference [13:12] yeah, don't think so [13:13] commented [13:14] obv eric can ping me if he wants to [13:14] biab [13:14] elfy, you likely saw my reply on the mailing list (x-d this time) [13:14] yep [13:15] thanks :) [13:15] np [13:19] perfect, thanks elfy° [13:27] mmm [13:28] ochosi, saw the artwork on x.org already? [13:28] you mean the lappy and the desktop? [13:28] ochosi: ha [13:28] ochosi, yeah [13:28] * elfy has icon ... [13:28] saw it today when i downloaded the 32bit iso ;) [13:29] elfy: oh, what changed? [13:30] redid it with existing xfpm uninstalled [13:30] commented on bug again [13:31] happened to be in synaptic - package version looked wrong ;) [13:32] image changes at different panel px size than the one that shows up in notifications btw [13:33] one in standalone changes at 28px ,one in notification at 24px [13:35] sorry, i don't understand that last part [13:36] in the notifications, the icons should always be the same size [13:36] yes [13:36] also, aren't we talking desktops? so what notifications [13:37] in the panel notification area - xfpm showing - different icons from the plugin xfpm [13:37] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot2015-05-2514-37-29.php [13:38] really biab now [13:38] oh, yeah, that's the plan [13:39] the notification area is supposed to use colored icons whereas the panel plugin is supposed to use symbolic icons [13:39] the one you have there would actually be visible with the icon-theme from git [14:49] ochosi: ok - ty - just thought I'd mention it now rather than in 6 weeks as an aside :) [14:53] hehe, yeah, well done [15:47] bluesabre: good change for whisker settings btw [15:48] could be that we could've done that already for 15.04 [15:52] ochosi: hm? [15:52] well at least i received a notification from x-d-s [15:52] oh that [15:52] yeah, that :) [15:53] yeah, required with whisker 1.5 [15:53] i thought we shipped that in 15.04 already? [15:53] nope [15:53] oh [15:53] right [15:53] 1.4.3 [15:53] :) [15:54] exo release done :) [15:56] sweet [15:56] i guess i'll try to do xfpm soonish then [15:56] since we have the last blocker out of the way (thanks again, eric_the_idiot and elfy ;)) [15:56] very nice [15:57] i guess then we'll get more testing and more bugreports [15:57] with xfpm, is gtk3 currently trunk? [15:58] curious since I'm going to merge in the gtk3 exo and do a 0.11.0 release as well [16:02] yup, that's gtk3 + symbolic-icons + upower0.99 [16:02] the latter was optional in 1.4, but now it's mandatory [16:03] didn't want to keep all the related ifs and keep the old icon system in place on the side [16:04] makes sense [16:05] we'll see whether folks will complain about that [16:05] and i think gtk3.12 is the minimum, so along the lines of the 4.14 roadmap [16:06] however, the trayicon was kept alive [16:06] so there's that upside ;)) [16:09] :D [16:12] bluesabre: was there anything else you wanted to work on tonight? [16:14] ochosi: exo and packaging, and I might play with xfce4-settings mirror mode later tonight [16:14] oh yeah, that one. [16:14] anything in particular you'd like me to look at? [16:14] i was actually wondering whether we should tweak the auto-handling of newly connected monitors [16:15] so, say we get the mirror-mode working [16:15] we could auto-enable any newly connected display in mirrored mode [16:15] as an alternative to the popup or as an extra [16:16] maybe, but that could be a pain with 3+ monitors [16:16] (could ofc also enable any other setup as default, but mirror seems safest for hotplugging [presentations etc]) [16:16] right, but are we even actively supporting that? [16:16] I've tested 8 with vbox :) [16:16] craaaaazy! [16:16] i mean good if it works [16:17] it does, surprisingly :D [16:17] yeah, quite so [16:17] but yeah, we can start thinking about that [16:17] tbh i've been so consumed by other things in the last weeks that i'm not really very aware of potential TODOs right now [16:18] so if there's anything you'd like to work on with me, tonight would be a good night ;) [16:18] (tonight, my time, which starts about now) [16:18] (gah, too many commas...) [16:19] potentially [16:19] for now, its lunch time around here, but I'll bbiab [16:20] okeydokey, bon appetit! [16:20] if there is anything you're interested in working on, let me know and we can tackle that [16:21] cool [16:21] sounds good [16:21] i'll compile a list or something in the meantime [16:23] if there's some time left, please look at the recent xfce4-settings lp reports [16:24] brainwash_: sorry, i had to bulk-delete all the launchpad bugmail when i returned from my 1week break, any bugs in particular? [16:25] reports which address display related issues [16:25] there are quite few [16:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 [16:26] the 14xxxxx - range [16:30] phu, all those display bugs are extremely hard to tackle/fix, when most of the time you can't reproduce and there are so many driver/hw combinations [16:37] alright, closed one. [17:25] brainwash_: any reason why you didn't close that one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1458428 [17:25] Ubuntu bug 1458428 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "XFCE Display Settings Will not start" [Undecided,New] [17:26] i mean yeah, maybe that error message could be a bit more informative [17:27] just waiting for a response from the reporter [17:28] you are right, the error message is a bit cryptic [17:29] shouldn't there be more reports about this? is this a recent change somewhere? [17:30] i'm not sure, i haven't used amd hw in ages [17:30] what about the nvidia driver? does it support randr? [17:30] also, people who use proprietary drivers have to install them by hand and iirc the respective settings tool gets installed alongside [17:31] yeah, it does. i've done my fair share of testing with nvidia + xfce4-display-settings [17:32] ok then [17:32] feel free to close the report [17:34] i'll do that when bluesabre returns from his endless lunching [17:34] maybe he has more input [17:34] hihi [17:36] oh god, fglrx [17:48] ochosi: poke [17:52] bluesabre: great timing, now i'm getting ready for dinner.. [17:52] :p [20:11] bluesabre: i'll be around in a minute [20:11] message from the future! [20:11] :) [20:23] bluesabre, Do you have time to sponsor xfpm? [20:23] Noskcaj: sure, can do [20:24] currently working on the xfdesktop merge, unless you've already done that one [20:24] only stuff i've done is mousepad and xfpm [20:24] cool [20:24] then yeah, got a bug or debdiff for me? [20:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11356852/ [20:26] The ubuntu to new debdiff [20:26] actually, changelog is broken there, one second [20:28] http://pastebin.com/R1RW6h2u is the fixed debdiff [20:33] looks good [20:33] I'll merge thunar if no one is doing that [20:33] we might be able to just sync thunar, the gvfs issues should be fully resolved [20:35] I can't see "udisks" is the thunar code, so how much does it actually do? [20:36] as I understand it, it was an issue with gvfs depends, didn't pull enough for the automounting to work [20:37] now gvfs correctly pulls what it needs [20:37] I'll probably go ahead and sync thunar tonight once syncpackage sees the new release, and we can reintroduce that patch if needed later [20:38] sounds good [20:38] If you have upload rights for the xfce4 metapackage, can you sync it too? [20:38] alright, i'm back [20:39] so, what did i miss? [20:39] well ... [20:39] :p [20:40] i see some syncing, but i thought maybe bluesabre was up to other stuff as well [20:41] Noskcaj: I don't have upload rights for the meta [20:41] ok, i'll just leave a sync bug then [20:41] going to experiment with adding it to the supported seed [20:41] go ahead [20:41] :) [20:41] hi ochosi [20:44] knome: elementary upstream have added a rather nice keyboard icon, i have to admit: http://i.imgur.com/dlQ6P1l.png [20:45] but that looks nowhere near my keyboard, shoo! [20:46] yeah, my keyboard is black and has a numpad, lame [20:47] :) [20:51] bluesabre: you mentioned exo-gtk3 a shorter while ago [20:51] have you started with that yet or do you know how much work it would be? [20:52] i presume it's too much work for the two of us and one evening? [20:52] merged Nick's branch here http://git.xfce.org/xfce/exo/commit/?id=cd1611c78a1641a0917d3528c2d592ec32d1c323 [20:52] apparently, that's everything except widgets [20:53] you're planning to support both gtk2+3 at first? [20:53] what widgets were there again? (apart from that iconbar that nobody uses anymore) [20:53] pretty sure that's going to be a requirement [20:54] thunar is the main user of exo, but the plugins do too [20:54] towards the bottom of that commit, you can see what is not enabled in gtk3 [20:54] +#if !GTK_CHECK_VERSION (3, 0, 0) [20:54] yeah, that's what i was looking at [20:55] that's cool though, that way you can even do a release and exclude certain widgets [20:55] so yeah, i'd say icon-bar can either be dropped or doesn't have to get ported [20:55] yeah, thought I might leave it open for a week or two and try to get some of those widgets ported [20:56] is there any way to test them though? [20:56] sounds like a small test-programme would help [20:56] bluesabre, What's the plan with xfce4-panel? Debian split a separate gtk3 library out, is it ok for us to keep that? [20:57] Noskcaj: we'll need to update xfce4-indicator-plugin for the split packages, since it depends on both [20:58] ochosi: I think we can just start with getting it to compile, then fix things as ports-in-progress find issues [20:58] ok, so the first release will just compile and be sort of untested [20:58] sounds like an ok strategy [20:58] yup, a very dev release ;) [20:59] might be a while until thunar is at that point though [20:59] yeah [20:59] that's ok though [21:00] I think thunar will be blocked by https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11556 though [21:00] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11556 in Iconview "gioscheduler deprecation warnings cause build failure" [Minor,New] [21:00] so really, the first goal might be to get exo to compile with debug again [21:00] by fixing that and other issues [21:01] yeah, oh right, that one [21:01] that makes sense [21:01] ochosi: here's one for you and eric_the_idiot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1458678 [21:01] Ubuntu bug 1458678 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "xfce appearance settings windows crashes occasionally " [Undecided,New] [21:02] oh nice [21:04] alright, i commented [21:05] cool [21:05] productive day :) [21:08] yup, especially when compared to other days in the recent past ;) [21:26] bluesabre, https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages has panel and indicator-plugin ready for upload. I'm just going to install it locally now to check [21:26] Noskcaj: cool, good work [21:27] Does anyone here have a dvd burner they can test xfburn with? corsac and i don't, so we need someone else to test 0.5.4 before we upload it to debian [21:28] I lied, panel isn't ready for upload. I'll try and get it fixed [21:30] Noskcaj: i might, what needs testing exactly? [21:30] Noskcaj: I can give it a shot... any particular formats, or would a xubuntu dvd be enough? [21:31] Just making sure the package works [21:53] conga-rats Noskcaj ;) [21:53] ty [21:53] Is xfpm ok to upload to wily or does it need testing first? [21:54] you mean 1.5.0 that i released approx 2mins ago? :> [21:54] yes [21:54] might need to take it for a spin... want to upload it to xubuntu-staging? [21:54] sounds safer [21:54] we can test it there initially [21:54] yeah, staging is the place to go [21:54] lots of new stuff in it [21:54] Is the loss of the lxpanel plugin going to be an issue for lubuntu> [21:54] i'm already afraid of the bugreports that might generate [21:54] *? [21:54] nope, we kept the trayicon around [21:54] so they can use that [21:55] problem is, their panel doesn't support gtk3 plugins [21:55] and since they're moving to qt, it doesn't make sense for them to add support for that [21:55] lxqt might not make it in time for 15.10 though [21:56] yeah, true, but as i said, trayicon [21:56] also, we've been in touch with them [21:56] iirc gilir said the trayicon is ok for them [21:56] cool [21:56] they can also test it from the -staging ppa [21:56] but yeah, let's put it in staging and see what works and what doesn't [21:57] we can ping them or test ourselves [21:57] indeed, we should definitely motivate them to do that [21:57] One other thing, is libsystemd-login-dev still needed? It's deprecated [21:57] hmm, i'm not sure who in the lxde team is on irc [21:57] Unit193 will know [21:57] ochosi, for lubuntu, just gilir in terms of devel [21:58] actually, gilir is rarely on irc afaik [21:58] yeah, he much prefers email [22:01] so yeah, lemme know when you got 1.5.0 in -staging and we can drop him a few lines [22:02] btw, what do you guys think of a follow-up post re: xubuntu-core? [22:02] unit shared some very nice stats with me that we could blog [22:02] I'll have to go to school soon, i'll hopefully have time to do xfpm tomorrow morning. [22:03] sure, no rush [22:03] only, when one of you puts it up, lemme know [22:04] ofc [22:04] ochosi: yeah, the stats for xubuntu-core are pretty cool [22:04] aaaaaand it gives us something to blog about [22:04] :D [22:05] now we only have to find a wordsmith [22:09] to press the words? [22:09] or in other words, [22:10] for the wordpressing? [22:10] i see a volunteer! [22:10] where? [22:10] * knome looks around [22:10] always the one who asks! [22:11] * genii hides behind Unit193 [22:11] sure... [22:11] genii, are you saying you think that's the best place to hide since Unit193 is the biggest guy in the room or what? [22:12] ..not intentionally .... [22:13] no? [22:13] :P [22:15] If someone has time can they work out why https://launchpadlibrarian.net/207464343/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.xfce4-indicator-plugin_2.3.3-0ubuntu3~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz is broken? [22:15] I'll be back later [22:53] time to head to bed, night everyone! [22:54] night ochosi