[09:14] <slickymasterWork> pleia2, thanks
[09:39] <knome> updated the website front page with an image
[09:39] <knome> (which has been in the pipe for a long time
[09:39] <knome> )
[09:52] <slickymasterWork> knome, the website isn't loading the top right images
[09:52] <slickymasterWork> Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) menu.js?ver=0.1:1 Uncaught ReferenceError: jQuery is not defined http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/desktop-laptop.png Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
[09:53] <brainwash> works fine here
[09:53] <brainwash> reload the site
[09:54] <slickymasterWork> already done that brainwash, still the same
[09:54] <slickymasterWork> cleaning the browser cache
[09:54] <elfy> fine here too 
[09:54] <slickymasterWork> yeaps, loading them now
[09:54] <elfy> knome: thanks :)
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> knome ^^^
[10:00] <knome> elfy, np
[10:00] <knome> slickymasterWork, yah
[10:00] <knome> was on the phone
[10:00] <knome> and taking another call ->
[10:06] <knome> humph
[10:06] <knome> :P
[11:51] <bluesabre> good morning everyone!
[11:53] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[11:55] <bluesabre> hi knome
[11:56] <knome> what's in the agenda for today?
[11:56] <bluesabre> answer my pings, release updated exo for gtk2/gtk, sync/merge some packages in xubuntu
[11:57] <knome> ooh
[11:57] <knome> no real work? :P
[11:57] <bluesabre> memorial day in the US
[11:57] <knome> aha
[11:57] <bluesabre> office is closed
[11:57] <knome> i have the official "call everybody" day
[11:57] <bluesabre> fun!
[11:57] <knome> not
[11:58] <bluesabre> :(
[11:58] <knome> well i guess it could be fun if you just called them
[11:58] <knome> but since you have to prepare for the calls so you get certain things talked through...
[11:59] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:00] <knome> and massive talking in phone is exhausting
[12:02] <elfy> not surprising when you've got words like äesch and Peräsmiehiä :p
[12:02] <knome> hah!
[12:02] <bluesabre> agreed!
[12:02] <elfy> hi bluesabre :)
[12:03] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[12:03] <bluesabre> oh wow, just discovered super+tab
[12:04] <knome> what's that supposed to do?
[12:04] <astraljava> elfy: Those are more like natural sounds of knome, not real words most ordinary folks would use.
[12:04] <bluesabre> knome: seems to switch between windows of the same app
[12:04] <knome> aha
[12:05] <knome> apparently...
[12:12] <elfy> bluesabre: so it does 
[12:14] <ochosi> hey folks
[12:14] <knome> hey ochosi 
[12:14] <ochosi> sad day, my laptop died :'(
[12:14] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[12:14] <knome> awwh
[12:14] <elfy> oh noes 
[12:14] <astraljava> RIP
[12:14] <ochosi> just thought i'd let you know, might be a week or two until i get a replacement
[12:14] <elfy> was it like this ochosi http://i.imgur.com/hLD8p.jpg
[12:15] <astraljava> lolz
[12:15] <ochosi> elfy: pretty much
[12:15] <ochosi> well, graphics card is fried
[12:15] <astraljava> Poor laptop, but at least ochosi isn't hungry.
[12:16] <ochosi> well, i'm using an ancient thing from the past now
[12:16] <ochosi> but it's hard to get anything done with it
[12:18] <elfy> I bet 
[12:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: but, that means you could probably get some ancient hardware testing done on it :)
[12:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: haha, yeah, let's focus on the bright side ;)
[12:28] <ochosi> i mean i haven't really used or tested 32bit systems in ages
[12:28] <ochosi> so that's definitely new
[12:32] <ochosi> elfy: btw, that xfpm bug i asked you to test a longer time ago, we might have a fix for that finally
[12:32] <ochosi> eric was able to reproduce
[12:32] <elfy> oh cool 
[12:33] <ochosi> the new patch is attached to the bugreport
[12:33] <ochosi> so in case you're still able to test that, that'd be much appreciated!
[12:33] <ochosi> (if you need steps or anything, just lemme know)
[12:34] <elfy> I can do that 
[12:34] <elfy> ochosi: link to bug report please :)
[12:35] <elfy> nvm
[12:41] <ochosi> k, brb (lunchtime)
[12:47] <elfy> ochosi: assuming I patched it properly - no icon still xfpm is at the far right of panel http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot2015-05-2513-46-00.php
[12:56] <ochosi> hmm, i see
[12:57] <ochosi> you could - just to be sure - maybe run "git reset --hard origin/master" and then "./autogen.sh clean"
[12:57] <ochosi> then re-apply the patch and rebuild
[12:57] <elfy> oh - clean install here - grabbed it again from scratch 
[12:57] <ochosi> oh
[12:58] <ochosi> in that case, crap, i guess
[12:58] <ochosi> how did you apply the patch?
[12:59] <elfy> top terminal in screenshot
[13:01] <elfy> oh hang on
[13:01] <ochosi> hm, why not "git apply blabla.patch"?
[13:01] <ochosi> or "git am blabla.patch"
[13:02] <elfy> because you do this stuff often - I drive a van and rarely do :p
[13:03] <elfy> and not even sure it's downloading properly
[13:06] <ochosi> yeah, .cgi doesn't look good tbh
[13:06] <ochosi> and hey, you've done a great job at this so far, so no reason to doubt you! :)
[13:07] <ochosi> you can go to this page and just save as "bla.patch" or something and then apply: http://bug-attachment.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=6280
[13:07] <elfy> so cd into the power manager - then git apply foo.patch
[13:08] <elfy> which then just echoes back with no error - assume that's right 
[13:08] <ochosi> yup
[13:09] <elfy> mmk
[13:09] <elfy> still no icon ;)
[13:09] <ochosi> awesome
[13:10] <elfy> at least the plugin isn't crashing constantly 
[13:10] <elfy> I'll get a blue crayon for the screen now :D 
[13:11] <ochosi> hm, not crashing might be considered a step up
[13:11] <elfy> yep for sure 
[13:11] <ochosi> anyway, i'd say comment on the bugreport with your findings
[13:11] <elfy> just so you're sure - this is on wily - not sure if that'd make a difference 
[13:12] <ochosi> yeah, don't think so
[13:13] <elfy> commented
[13:14] <elfy> obv eric can ping me if he wants to 
[13:14] <elfy> biab
[13:14] <knome> elfy, you likely saw my reply on the mailing list (x-d this time)
[13:14] <elfy> yep
[13:15] <elfy> thanks :)
[13:15] <knome> np
[13:19] <ochosi> perfect, thanks elfy°
[13:27] <elfy> mmm
[13:28] <knome> ochosi, saw the artwork on x.org already?
[13:28] <ochosi> you mean the lappy and the desktop?
[13:28] <elfy> ochosi: ha 
[13:28] <knome> ochosi, yeah
[13:28]  * elfy has icon ... 
[13:28] <ochosi> saw it today when i downloaded the 32bit iso ;)
[13:29] <ochosi> elfy: oh, what changed?
[13:30] <elfy> redid it with existing xfpm uninstalled
[13:30] <elfy> commented on bug again 
[13:31] <elfy> happened to be in synaptic - package version looked wrong ;) 
[13:32] <elfy> image changes at different panel px size than the one that shows up in notifications btw 
[13:33] <elfy> one in standalone changes at 28px ,one in notification at 24px
[13:35] <ochosi> sorry, i don't understand that last part
[13:36] <ochosi> in the notifications, the icons should always be the same size
[13:36] <elfy> yes
[13:36] <ochosi> also, aren't we talking desktops? so what notifications
[13:37] <elfy> in the panel notification area - xfpm showing - different icons from the plugin xfpm 
[13:37] <elfy> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot2015-05-2514-37-29.php
[13:38] <elfy> really biab now 
[13:38] <ochosi> oh, yeah, that's the plan
[13:39] <ochosi> the notification area is supposed to use colored icons whereas the panel plugin is supposed to use symbolic icons
[13:39] <ochosi> the one you have there would actually be visible with the icon-theme from git
[14:49] <elfy> ochosi: ok - ty - just thought I'd mention it now rather than in 6 weeks as an aside :)
[14:53] <ochosi> hehe, yeah, well done
[15:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: good change for whisker settings btw
[15:48] <ochosi> could be that we could've done that already for 15.04
[15:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: hm?
[15:52] <ochosi> well at least i received a notification from x-d-s
[15:52] <bluesabre> oh that
[15:52] <ochosi> yeah, that :)
[15:53] <bluesabre> yeah, required with whisker 1.5
[15:53] <ochosi> i thought we shipped that in 15.04 already?
[15:53] <bluesabre> nope
[15:53] <ochosi> oh
[15:53] <ochosi> right
[15:53] <ochosi> 1.4.3
[15:53] <bluesabre> :)
[15:54] <bluesabre> exo release done :)
[15:56] <ochosi> sweet
[15:56] <ochosi> i guess i'll try to do xfpm soonish then
[15:56] <ochosi> since we have the last blocker out of the way (thanks again, eric_the_idiot and elfy ;))
[15:56] <bluesabre> very nice
[15:57] <ochosi> i guess then we'll get more testing and more bugreports
[15:57] <bluesabre> with xfpm, is gtk3 currently trunk?
[15:58] <bluesabre> curious since I'm going to merge in the gtk3 exo and do a 0.11.0 release as well
[16:02] <ochosi> yup, that's gtk3 + symbolic-icons + upower0.99
[16:02] <ochosi> the latter was optional in 1.4, but now it's mandatory
[16:03] <ochosi> didn't want to keep all the related ifs and keep the old icon system in place on the side
[16:04] <bluesabre> makes sense
[16:05] <ochosi> we'll see whether folks will complain about that
[16:05] <ochosi> and i think gtk3.12 is the minimum, so along the lines of the 4.14 roadmap
[16:06] <ochosi> however, the trayicon was kept alive
[16:06] <ochosi> so there's that upside ;))
[16:09] <bluesabre> :D
[16:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: was there anything else you wanted to work on tonight?
[16:14] <bluesabre> ochosi: exo and packaging, and I might play with xfce4-settings mirror mode later tonight
[16:14] <ochosi> oh yeah, that one.
[16:14] <bluesabre> anything in particular you'd like me to look at?
[16:14] <ochosi> i was actually wondering whether we should tweak the auto-handling of newly connected monitors
[16:15] <ochosi> so, say we get the mirror-mode working
[16:15] <ochosi> we could auto-enable any newly connected display in mirrored mode
[16:15] <ochosi> as an alternative to the popup or as an extra
[16:16] <bluesabre> maybe, but that could be a pain with 3+ monitors
[16:16] <ochosi> (could ofc also enable any other setup as default, but mirror seems safest for hotplugging [presentations etc])
[16:16] <ochosi> right, but are we even actively supporting that?
[16:16] <bluesabre> I've tested 8 with vbox :)
[16:16] <ochosi> craaaaazy!
[16:16] <ochosi> i mean good if it works
[16:17] <bluesabre> it does, surprisingly :D
[16:17] <ochosi> yeah, quite so
[16:17] <bluesabre> but yeah, we can start thinking about that
[16:17] <ochosi> tbh i've been so consumed by other things in the last weeks that i'm not really very aware of potential TODOs right now
[16:18] <ochosi> so if there's anything you'd like to work on with me, tonight would be a good night ;)
[16:18] <ochosi> (tonight, my time, which starts about now)
[16:18] <ochosi> (gah, too many commas...)
[16:19] <bluesabre> potentially
[16:19] <bluesabre> for now, its lunch time around here, but I'll bbiab
[16:20] <ochosi> okeydokey, bon appetit!
[16:20] <bluesabre> if there is anything you're interested in working on, let me know and we can tackle that
[16:21] <ochosi> cool
[16:21] <ochosi> sounds good
[16:21] <ochosi> i'll compile a list or something in the meantime
[16:23] <brainwash_> if there's some time left, please look at the recent xfce4-settings lp reports
[16:24] <ochosi> brainwash_: sorry, i had to bulk-delete all the launchpad bugmail when i returned from my 1week break, any bugs in particular?
[16:25] <brainwash_> reports which address display related issues
[16:25] <brainwash_> there are quite few
[16:25] <brainwash_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[16:26] <brainwash_> the 14xxxxx - range
[16:30] <ochosi> phu, all those display bugs are extremely hard to tackle/fix, when most of the time you can't reproduce and there are so many driver/hw combinations
[16:37] <ochosi> alright, closed one.
[17:25] <ochosi> brainwash_: any reason why you didn't close that one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1458428
[17:26] <ochosi> i mean yeah, maybe that error message could be a bit more informative
[17:27] <brainwash_> just waiting for a response from the reporter
[17:28] <brainwash_> you are right, the error message is a bit cryptic
[17:29] <brainwash_> shouldn't there be more reports about this? is this a recent change somewhere?
[17:30] <ochosi> i'm not sure, i haven't used amd hw in ages
[17:30] <brainwash_> what about the nvidia driver? does it support randr?
[17:30] <ochosi> also, people who use proprietary drivers have to install them by hand and iirc the respective settings tool gets installed alongside
[17:31] <ochosi> yeah, it does. i've done my fair share of testing with nvidia + xfce4-display-settings
[17:32] <brainwash_> ok then
[17:32] <brainwash_> feel free to close the report
[17:34] <ochosi> i'll do that when bluesabre returns from his endless lunching
[17:34] <ochosi> maybe he has more input
[17:34] <bluesabre> hihi
[17:36] <bluesabre> oh god, fglrx
[17:48] <bluesabre> ochosi: poke
[17:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: great timing, now i'm getting ready for dinner..
[17:52] <bluesabre> :p
[20:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll be around in a minute
[20:11] <bluesabre> message from the future!
[20:11] <ochosi> :)
[20:23] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you have time to sponsor xfpm?
[20:23] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: sure, can do
[20:24] <bluesabre> currently working on the xfdesktop merge, unless you've already done that one
[20:24] <Noskcaj> only stuff i've done is mousepad and xfpm
[20:24] <bluesabre> cool
[20:24] <bluesabre> then yeah, got a bug or debdiff for me?
[20:26] <Noskcaj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11356852/
[20:26] <Noskcaj> The ubuntu to new debdiff
[20:26] <Noskcaj> actually, changelog is broken there, one second
[20:28] <Noskcaj> http://pastebin.com/R1RW6h2u is the fixed debdiff
[20:33] <bluesabre> looks good
[20:33] <Noskcaj> I'll merge thunar if no one is doing that
[20:33] <bluesabre> we might be able to just sync thunar, the gvfs issues should be fully resolved
[20:35] <Noskcaj> I can't see "udisks" is the thunar code, so how much does it actually do?
[20:36] <bluesabre> as I understand it, it was an issue with gvfs depends, didn't pull enough for the automounting to work
[20:37] <bluesabre> now gvfs correctly pulls what it needs
[20:37] <bluesabre> I'll probably go ahead and sync thunar tonight once syncpackage sees the new release, and we can reintroduce that patch if needed later
[20:38] <Noskcaj> sounds good
[20:38] <Noskcaj> If you have upload rights for the xfce4 metapackage, can you sync it too?
[20:38] <ochosi> alright, i'm back
[20:39] <ochosi> so, what did i miss?
[20:39] <elfy> well ... 
[20:39] <elfy> :p
[20:40] <ochosi> i see some syncing, but i thought maybe bluesabre was up to other stuff as well
[20:41] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I don't have upload rights for the meta
[20:41] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll just leave a sync bug then
[20:41] <bluesabre> going to experiment with adding it to the supported seed
[20:41] <bluesabre> go ahead
[20:41] <bluesabre> :)
[20:41] <bluesabre> hi ochosi
[20:44] <ochosi> knome: elementary upstream have added a rather nice keyboard icon, i have to admit: http://i.imgur.com/dlQ6P1l.png
[20:45] <knome> but that looks nowhere near my keyboard, shoo!
[20:46] <bluesabre> yeah, my keyboard is black and has a numpad, lame
[20:47] <ochosi> :)
[20:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: you mentioned exo-gtk3 a shorter while ago
[20:51] <ochosi> have you started with that yet or do you know how much work it would be?
[20:52] <ochosi> i presume it's too much work for the two of us and one evening?
[20:52] <bluesabre> merged Nick's branch here http://git.xfce.org/xfce/exo/commit/?id=cd1611c78a1641a0917d3528c2d592ec32d1c323
[20:52] <bluesabre> apparently, that's everything except widgets
[20:53] <ochosi> you're planning to support both gtk2+3 at first?
[20:53] <ochosi> what widgets were there again? (apart from that iconbar that nobody uses anymore)
[20:53] <bluesabre> pretty sure that's going to be a requirement
[20:54] <bluesabre> thunar is the main user of exo, but the plugins do too
[20:54] <bluesabre> towards the bottom of that commit, you can see what is not enabled in gtk3
[20:54] <bluesabre> +#if !GTK_CHECK_VERSION (3, 0, 0)
[20:54] <ochosi> yeah, that's what i was looking at
[20:55] <ochosi> that's cool though, that way you can even do a release and exclude certain widgets
[20:55] <ochosi> so yeah, i'd say icon-bar can either be dropped or doesn't have to get ported
[20:55] <bluesabre> yeah, thought I might leave it open for a week or two and try to get some of those widgets ported
[20:56] <ochosi> is there any way to test them though?
[20:56] <ochosi> sounds like a small test-programme would help
[20:56] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, What's the plan with xfce4-panel? Debian split a separate gtk3 library out, is it ok for us to keep that?
[20:57] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: we'll need to update xfce4-indicator-plugin for the split packages, since it depends on both
[20:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: I think we can just start with getting it to compile, then fix things as ports-in-progress find issues
[20:58] <ochosi> ok, so the first release will just compile and be sort of untested
[20:58] <ochosi> sounds like an ok strategy
[20:58] <bluesabre> yup, a very dev release ;)
[20:59] <ochosi> might be a while until thunar is at that point though
[20:59] <bluesabre> yeah
[20:59] <bluesabre> that's ok though
[21:00] <bluesabre> I think thunar will be blocked by https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11556 though
[21:00] <bluesabre> so really, the first goal might be to get exo to compile with debug again
[21:00] <bluesabre> by fixing that and other issues
[21:01] <ochosi> yeah, oh right, that one
[21:01] <ochosi> that makes sense
[21:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: here's one for you and eric_the_idiot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1458678
[21:02] <ochosi> oh nice
[21:04] <ochosi> alright, i commented
[21:05] <bluesabre> cool
[21:05] <bluesabre> productive day :)
[21:08] <ochosi> yup, especially when compared to other days in the recent past ;)
[21:26] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages has panel and indicator-plugin ready for upload. I'm just going to install it locally now to check
[21:26] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: cool, good work
[21:27] <Noskcaj> Does anyone here have a dvd burner they can test xfburn with? corsac and i don't, so we need someone else to test 0.5.4 before we upload it to debian
[21:28] <Noskcaj> I lied, panel isn't ready for upload. I'll try and get it fixed
[21:30] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i might, what needs testing exactly?
[21:30] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I can give it a shot... any particular formats, or would a xubuntu dvd be enough?
[21:31] <Noskcaj> Just making sure the package works
[21:53] <ochosi> conga-rats Noskcaj ;)
[21:53] <Noskcaj> ty
[21:53] <Noskcaj> Is xfpm ok to upload to wily or does it need testing first?
[21:54] <ochosi> you mean 1.5.0 that i released approx 2mins ago? :>
[21:54] <Noskcaj> yes
[21:54] <bluesabre> might need to take it for a spin... want to upload it to xubuntu-staging?
[21:54] <Noskcaj> sounds safer
[21:54] <bluesabre> we can test it there initially
[21:54] <ochosi> yeah, staging is the place to go
[21:54] <ochosi> lots of new stuff in it
[21:54] <Noskcaj> Is the loss of the lxpanel plugin going to be an issue for lubuntu>
[21:54] <ochosi> i'm already afraid of the bugreports that might generate
[21:54] <Noskcaj> *?
[21:54] <ochosi> nope, we kept the trayicon around
[21:54] <ochosi> so they can use that
[21:55] <ochosi> problem is, their panel doesn't support gtk3 plugins
[21:55] <ochosi> and since they're moving to qt, it doesn't make sense for them to add support for that
[21:55] <bluesabre> lxqt might not make it in time for 15.10 though
[21:56] <ochosi> yeah, true, but as i said, trayicon
[21:56] <ochosi> also, we've been in touch with them
[21:56] <ochosi> iirc gilir said the trayicon is ok for them
[21:56] <Noskcaj> cool
[21:56] <bluesabre> they can also test it from the -staging ppa
[21:56] <ochosi> but yeah, let's put it in staging and see what works and what doesn't
[21:57] <bluesabre> we can ping them or test ourselves
[21:57] <ochosi> indeed, we should definitely motivate them to do that
[21:57] <Noskcaj> One other thing, is libsystemd-login-dev still needed? It's deprecated
[21:57] <ochosi> hmm, i'm not sure who in the lxde team is on irc
[21:57] <ochosi> Unit193 will know
[21:57] <Noskcaj> ochosi, for lubuntu, just gilir in terms of devel
[21:58] <ochosi> actually, gilir is rarely on irc afaik
[21:58] <Noskcaj> yeah, he much prefers email
[22:01] <ochosi> so yeah, lemme know when you got 1.5.0 in -staging and we can drop him a few lines
[22:02] <ochosi> btw, what do you guys think of a follow-up post re: xubuntu-core?
[22:02] <ochosi> unit shared some very nice stats with me that we could blog
[22:02] <Noskcaj> I'll have to go to school soon, i'll hopefully have time to do xfpm tomorrow morning.
[22:03] <ochosi> sure, no rush
[22:03] <ochosi> only, when one of you puts it up, lemme know
[22:04] <bluesabre> ofc
[22:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, the stats for xubuntu-core are pretty cool
[22:04] <bluesabre> aaaaaand it gives us something to blog about
[22:04] <bluesabre> :D
[22:05] <ochosi> now we only have to find a wordsmith
[22:09] <knome> to press the words?
[22:09] <knome> or in other words,
[22:10] <knome> for the wordpressing?
[22:10] <ochosi> i see a volunteer!
[22:10] <knome> where?
[22:10]  * knome looks around
[22:10] <ochosi> always the one who asks!
[22:11]  * genii hides behind Unit193
[22:11] <knome> sure...
[22:11] <knome> genii, are you saying you think that's the best place to hide since Unit193 is the biggest guy in the room or what?
[22:12] <genii> ..not intentionally ....
[22:13] <knome> no?
[22:13] <knome> :P
[22:15] <Noskcaj> If someone has time can they work out why https://launchpadlibrarian.net/207464343/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.xfce4-indicator-plugin_2.3.3-0ubuntu3~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz is broken?
[22:15] <Noskcaj> I'll be back later
[22:53] <ochosi> time to head to bed, night everyone!
[22:54] <bluesabre> night ochosi