[06:32] <liuxg> should I use import com.canonical.Oxide 1.0 or import import Ubuntu.Web 0.2 for webview development in QML?
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <rbasak> Does anyone else have issues with the battery status since the OTA that improved battery life?
[07:55] <rbasak> My phone permanently overestimates battery charge now. Until suddenly it dies. While on standby, it suggests that battery doesn't drop at all, but I'm pretty sure that's false.
[07:56] <rbasak> Battery life is definitely improved, but the charge indication is far more optimistic than that. It hasn't even dropped one pixel below 88% in the last twelve hours.
[07:58] <mcphail> rbasak: Have been down to about 20% battery status since the last update. Phone didn't die, so probably accurate
[08:29] <bqphone> hit here,
[08:29] <bqphone> hi there
[08:30] <bqphone> my phone used to open from right to left, now its from left to right
[08:30] <bqphone> how to make it open from right to left again?
[08:32] <mcphail> bqphone: The lockscreen can become unresponsive to the swipe for some reason. I think it is being fixed in the next update. For the time being, a reboot should fix it
[08:33] <seb128> did you try to swipe for the left?
[08:33] <seb128> sometime the right edge stops working but the left one still does
[08:33] <seb128> ups, for->from
[08:34] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1435988
[08:36] <bqphone> trying a restart
[08:38] <bqphone> well the restart did fix the problem, i thought i did change the way the phone get unlocked somewhere in the settings
[08:38] <bqphone> thx for the help
[08:39] <mcphail> seb128: I think that may be a duplicate of another bug...
[08:39] <tsdgeos> sil2100: you there?
[08:39] <sil2100> tsdgeos: hey, what's up?
[08:39] <tsdgeos> sil2100: i'm trying to build http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=landing-004
[08:39] <tsdgeos> and it complained about "Silo config is missing these packages: qtmir-gles, qtubuntu-gles"
[08:40] <tsdgeos> i know there's some magic stuff involved when building those
[08:40] <tsdgeos> but i don't know exactly what needs to be done
[08:40] <tsdgeos> afaik "IGNORE_MISSING_TWINS" is a way to workaround it, but i guess "not the proper fix" if you want the silo to be usable on the phone
[08:40] <tsdgeos> or is it?
[08:40] <seb128> mcphail, that's possible, feel free to mark it as such/give the other bug number if that's the case
[08:41] <sil2100> tsdgeos: yeah, so there's a trick for that
[08:41] <mcphail> seb128: I can't find the other bug just now as I think it was "fixed" in vivid (by accident)
[08:41] <sil2100> Let's reconfigure your silo with 'qtmir-gles qtubuntu-gles' as additional source packages to land, then build all your packages with the ignore missing twins flag
[08:42] <sil2100> Once qtmir ang qtubuntu build in your silo, prepare merges for the -gles parts that only modify the changelog and the debian/watch file to fetch the latest tarball from your silo
[08:43] <sil2100> (you can check how that's done in the -gles branches of qtmir and qtubuntu)
[08:44] <tsdgeos> sil2100: that's not a trick, that's a monstruosity :D
[08:44] <tsdgeos> sil2100: i.e. i didn't understand a single word of what you said
[08:44] <sil2100> tsdgeos: we know, this really should be simply automated
[08:44] <tsdgeos> +345
[08:44] <tsdgeos> i'll try to follow the instructions
[08:45] <tsdgeos> will ping you when i fail to
[08:45] <tsdgeos> :D
[08:45] <sil2100> tsdgeos: first of all, let me reconfigure your silo and just build it with IGNORE_MISSING_TWINS then
[08:45] <sil2100> hmmmmmmmm
[08:45] <sil2100> tsdgeos: when did you get your silo?
[08:45] <sil2100> Was that yesterday?
[08:46] <tsdgeos> sil2100: no, it's older
[08:46] <tsdgeos> why?
[08:46] <sil2100> Ah, nvm!
[08:46] <sil2100> Give me one moment
[08:48]  * tsdgeos waits
[08:48] <brunch875> hey ogra_, did you create any non-webapp game?
[08:49] <brunch875> I'm having trouble getting started...
[08:50] <sil2100> tsdgeos: ok, after I finish reconfiguring, try rebuilding it without the IGNORE_MISSING_TWINS flag even
[08:50] <tsdgeos> ok
[08:50] <sil2100> Still reconfiguring though
[08:51] <sil2100> tsdgeos: done, you can build
[08:51] <tsdgeos> sil2100: what did you "reconfigure" exactly? is this something i could have done?
[08:52] <sil2100> tsdgeos: once your qtmir and qtubuntu packages build, you'll have to prepare merges that look like this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtmir/gles-sync-mir/+merge/258053 - so you copy-paste the changelog from your qtmir and only modify the debian/watch file
[08:52] <sil2100> tsdgeos: you can request a silo with the qtmir-gles and qtubuntu-gles already written in the additional source packages to land
[08:53] <tsdgeos> i see
[08:53] <sil2100> But if they're not set there in the time of assignment, you'll need a trainguard to reconf for you
[08:53] <sil2100> Well, we would really automated this 'hack' long ago but people actually using this workflow are so experienced in this that they don't mention it as a problem
[08:54] <sil2100> So we forgot it's actually an issue, since no one reports it as an annoyance ;) Because they're just doing it out of automation
[08:54] <tsdgeos> well it is bad
[08:54] <tsdgeos> i tell you :D
[08:57] <ogra_> brunch875, nope, not really, only webapps
[08:57] <brunch875> Ah, ok+
[08:59] <ogra_> brunch875, but i guess if i would write a game i would do it in html and just use a local index.html file
[09:04] <brunch875> ogra_, I tried doing an html5 webapp using the phaser game engine. It would launch perfectly on the computer from the sdk but the phone would only display a blank, white page
[09:04] <brunch875> I think the issue has something to do with the app I tried being horizontal; so I'll give it another go later on
[09:06] <brunch875> I also tried doing the game with QML/C++ but it semt to be awfully complicated. It's the first time I touch Qt so I just need a proper guide
[09:08] <mcphail> brunch875: http://qmlbook.github.io/ is a decent introduction (but a bit of a work-in-progress)
[09:09] <mcphail> brunch875: it is a generic qml book, rather than Ubuntu-specific
[09:10] <brunch875> that's pretty neat, thanks!
[09:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Lindy Hop Day! 😃
[09:37] <E524> Hi all, does anybody know if there is a port in progress for the neo900? a google search does not suggest it....
[09:44] <ogra_> E524, i dont think there is
[09:45] <ogra_> !devices
[09:46] <E524> hm... said. a the neo900 seems to have a nice keyboard, which i had in my previous device. it was really nice to have one...
[09:58] <tsdgeos> sil2100: i've addded the -gles branches to silo4 spreadsheet, i guess you need to press some button so that they move over to http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=landing-004 ?
[10:03] <sil2100> Yeah, you can reconfigure the silo now - let me double check your landing entry
[10:04] <sil2100> tsdgeos: ok, now that you added the -gles MRs, remove the qtmir-gles and qtubuntu-gles entries from column G and then reconfigure your silo - you can do that yourself by accessing the 'Landing tools' menu and pressing 'Reconfigure' while you have your row selected
[10:07] <tsdgeos> sil2100: can't edit column G, is it because you're on it?
[10:07] <tsdgeos> and now i could
[10:07] <tsdgeos> weird
[10:07] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:09] <sil2100> uh oh
[10:09] <sil2100> ;)
[10:09] <sil2100> Spreadsheets \o/
[10:09] <tsdgeos> sil2100: where is "Landing tools"? i can find it neither on the spreadsheet nor on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=ubuntu%2Flanding-004
[10:09] <sil2100> hmm, it should be on the spreadsheet
[10:09] <sil2100> Next to the 'Help' menu entry
[10:09] <tsdgeos> ahhh
[10:09] <sil2100> In the spreadsheet menu :)
[10:10] <sil2100> If you don't have it, you would need to refresh the spreadsheet until you do, sometimes the scripts don't always work
[10:11] <tsdgeos> yeah
[10:11] <tsdgeos> saw it
[10:11] <tsdgeos> i was expecting not there
[10:19] <mcphail> I've founf the volume settings and "silent mode" don't affect sound volume on a game I am porting to the phone. It seems to use openAL for sound. Is this a known bug?
[10:29] <mcphail> Against which package would I file a bug in launchpad?
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: on wich touch version are you? channel?
[10:31] <mcphail> krillin rtm
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: and wich device?
[10:31] <mcphail> krillin
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> is that nexus5?
[10:32] <mcphail> bq
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> ah
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: maybe ogra_ or popey know this?
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> im on nexus7 devel-proposed
[10:33] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: I may be able to knock up a test case tonight to try on different devices
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: good idea
[10:33] <ogra_> mcphail, you mean it plays sound via OpenAL *on* the device if deliveread as a click package ?
[10:34]  * ogra_ thought apparmor would prevent you from direct device access
[10:34] <mcphail> ogra_: yes - I've bundled openAL in the click
[10:34] <mcphail> ogra_: actually, you may have a point. Having to use unconstrained environment for developing this just now
[10:35] <ogra_> well, to have proper volume control you somehow need to involve pulse ... not sure how that would work ... wait for rsalveti, perhape he can help
[10:35] <ogra_> *perhaps
[10:36] <mcphail> ogra_: I'll make a test case tonight and see if a standard apparmor profile changes things
[10:37] <ogra_> yeah
[11:18] <tsdgeos> sil2100: are these errors something i need to be worried about or they're fine? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11368925/
[11:20] <sil2100> tsdgeos: those look fine, when building packages the builder tries to fetch the tarball in a few different ways
[11:20] <sil2100> Before it can decide what to do in the end
[11:21] <tsdgeos> ok, thought so
[11:21] <tsdgeos> wanted to make sure
[11:23] <nerochiaro> elopio: quick question about the textfield emulator in the ui toolkit: would it be possible to be able to set the speed at which the characters are typed when using the write() method ? right now it is really slow and in most cases it should be ok to go faster, especially when doing desktop tests
[11:24] <nerochiaro> elopio: autopilot supports a delay named parameter on the type() method, so maybe just allowing to pass that in through write() will do
[11:26] <tsdgeos> sil2100: i need help finding out what error in https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-1-build/168/console is the real error causing the failure
[11:27] <tsdgeos> since there's all those errors that you say that are not real errors
[11:27] <tsdgeos> it's a bit confusing
[11:27] <nerochiaro> elopio: also it would be useful to have the method _is_all_text_selected exposed as a public method
[11:43] <sil2100> tsdgeos: looking
[11:44] <sil2100> tsdgeos: ah, let me take a look at your -gles merges
[11:44] <sil2100> I think the version number on their changelog entries are wrong
[11:46] <sil2100> tsdgeos: yeah, so, you need to put the versions in the debian/changelog in the -gles merges exactly the same as the packages in the PPA
[13:55] <elopio> nerochiaro: both things seem good. The api on the toolkit is emergent, we just add what we need in tests. making those two changes would be nice.
[13:56] <elopio> nerochiaro: you can report a bug to the toolkit, or make a branch. If you make a branch, please add tests for your changes, and brendand or rhuddie can give you a review.
[14:20] <ahayzen> rsalveti, is there a bug tracking that on the latest devel image if you start/seek a track the volume notification appears (i've definitely seen this before but it was fixed)
[14:24] <rsalveti> ahayzen: I thought that this was fixed already
[14:24] <rsalveti> if not, please open a bug against indicator-sound
[14:26] <ahayzen> rsalveti, i'm on what i believe to be the latest mako build for my channel, so i'll open one :-)
[14:27] <nerochiaro> elopio: the one to type faster i doubt can be tested
[14:27] <nerochiaro> elopio: and the other one it turns out i actually don't really need it
[14:28] <nerochiaro> elopio: but i can add it anyway if you want. where would the test go ?
[14:28] <elopio> nerochiaro: we already have tests for typing speed on autopilot. testing it on the toolkit would just be to make sure that we are sending the right argument to the autopilot api. Using a mock is ok.
[14:29] <elopio> nerochiaro: tests/autopilot/ubuntuuitoolkit/tests/custom_proxy_objects
[14:29] <ahayzen> rsalveti, bug 1458897
[14:32] <ahayzen> rsalveti, ah unless the channel i'm on hasn't been built for a few days...
[14:45] <tsdgeos> sil2100: any idea of the error in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/207523720/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-armhf.unity8_8.10%2B15.10.20150526-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[14:45] <tsdgeos> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:45] <tsdgeos>  libconnectivity-qt1-dev : Depends: libconnectivity-qt1 (= 0.5.1+15.10.20150519-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:45] <tsdgeos> who did that happen?
[14:46] <tsdgeos> s/who/how
[14:56] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, hey, can you do an easy review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/language-punctuation-description/+merge/259771 ?
[14:56] <jgdx> seb128, sure
[14:56] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, I'm going to put a landing for settings/wily up today or tomorrow
[14:58] <kenvandine> seb128, thx!
[14:58] <seb128> jgdx, thanks
[14:58] <seb128> kenvandine, yw :-)
[15:23] <seb128> kenvandine, hum, is there any reason you didn't approve https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/translate-pusher-helper/+merge/259612 ?
[15:23] <seb128> jgdx, kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/security-dash-option/+merge/259770 as well
[15:25] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks ;-)
[15:25] <kenvandine> done :)
[15:49] <ogra_> jdstrand, chrisccoulson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11372912/ i get this for every webapp i open in recent (vivid) images
[15:49] <ogra_> (not sure why oxide or the webapp container wants to read /proc/mounts ...)
[15:51] <jdstrand> both are odd denials
[15:51] <jdstrand> ogra_: can you file a bug?
[15:51] <jdstrand> ogra_: start with webbrowser-app
[15:51] <jdstrand> then I'll comment
[15:51] <ogra_> oki
[15:54] <ogra_> jdstrand, bug 1458923
[15:54] <ogra_> i dont think its the webbrowser app since i see it in plain WebView as well
[15:54] <jdstrand> ok, thanks
[16:35] <josue__> hi everyone!
[16:35] <brunch875> Hello, josue__! Be very welcome!
[16:36] <josue__> i think that i can report a bug from my ubuntu phone bq aquaris ubuntu edition beta 15.04 r.223
[16:37] <josue__> where i can write it?
[16:38] <brunch875> short answer: launchpad
[16:39] <brunch875> question answer: what bug do you want to report?
[16:39] <davmor2> josue__: what channel are you on the correct channel for 15.04 only has 15 images, there was a big channel re-org
[16:40] <josue__> looks like that when the battery is critically low you lost the phone conection (2g/3g)
[16:40] <josue__> you cant recive o send calls
[16:41] <josue__> if you charge the phone looks  that the problem persist untill you restart the connection
[16:42] <brunch875> Uh oh... this also happened to mine which is using the BQ channel
[16:42] <brunch875> I never reported it since I thought of it as a feature
[16:42] <josue__> is a reported bug then?
[16:43] <brunch875> I'm not finding it
[16:43] <josue__> in the top status bar you can see the network phone icon working correctly
[16:44] <brunch875> my phone also disables wifi
[16:44] <brunch875> and ultimately phone as battery gets lower
[16:46] <josue__> i didnt see anything about battery in last week... I can see that from yesterday I didnt consume more than 5% maybe because network isnt working from yesterday XD
[16:47] <brunch875> I've always thought of it as a hardware issue since it isn't possible to power on the device when the battery is so low
[16:48] <josue__> Im not sure about this, now i have 65% battery, but phone network isnt working
[16:48] <josue__> since yesterday...
[16:49] <brunch875> Yikes, I don't remember having this issue
[16:49] <josue__> I noticed that when a friend told me today that he was calling me yesterday
[16:50] <josue__> then... how i can report this?
[16:50] <josue__> =)
[16:51] <brunch875> pick from this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[16:53] <brunch875> maybe under ofono? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+filebug?no_redirect
[16:53] <brunch875> but don't trust me, I have little idea :p
[18:32] <peat-psuwit> awe: ping
[18:33] <awe> peat-psuwit, pong
[18:33] <peat-psuwit> awe: I have question about multisim 3g selection
[18:34] <peat-psuwit> I can make ubuntu phone use both of modem now, using different sockets for different modem.
[18:35] <peat-psuwit> After I check with android, it use RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE to set that.
[18:36] <peat-psuwit> But, other SIM must be using 2G before selected can use 3g.
[18:36] <peat-psuwit> Question is, where should I put this restriction?
[18:37] <awe> I'm not sure I understand you
[18:38] <awe> are you saying that only one of the SIMs can be used for 3g?
[18:39] <awe> and the other needs to be 2g?
[18:39] <peat-psuwit> awe: Yes.
[18:39] <awe> if you send GET_PREF_NETWORK_TYPE for both, what are they set to by default?
[18:40] <awe> is one always 2g and the other 3g?
[18:40] <awe> or are both 2g only?
[18:41] <peat-psuwit> awe: What do you mean for "by default"?
[18:44] <awe> the state of the device after it first boots without changing anything
[18:46] <peat-psuwit> awe: The settings seem to stick across reboot.
[18:46] <awe> so what your saying is that if you try to change which SIM is '3g', you have to correspondingly change the other to '2g', correct?
[18:47] <peat-psuwit> awe: correct
[18:49] <awe> and do both have the same value for RadioSettings 'ModemTechnologies'?
[18:49] <awe> eg "gsm umts"
[18:50] <peat-psuwit> awe: yes
[18:52] <awe> so you'd need to quirk this in your derived rilmodem driver
[18:52] <awe> the BQ phone only allows one SIM to be used for 3g as well, but it has a request that can be used to change this
[18:53] <awe> it's a bit complicated,  and causes a modem reset when it changes
[18:53] <awe> so at some point, the request to change the radio-tech filters down to rilmodem, where it sends the RIL_REQ_SET_PREF_NETWORK_TYPE
[18:54] <awe> you're going to need to catch this, and probably interact with the device plugin to cause it to flip the other modem's type
[18:55] <awe> using the device plugin is the only way to coordinate this kind of limitation
[19:00] <peat-psuwit> awe: My plan is to catch this in ril_set_rat_mode, and then change other modem's radio mode. Not sure how I change other modem's settings.
[19:01] <awe> again, you need to do this via the device plugin
[19:01] <awe> please take a look at the code in mtkmodem and mtk.c ( the mtk device plugin )
[19:01] <awe> we have to do similar things to ensure that only one SIM can attach to GPRS
[19:02] <awe> unfortunately, it's complicated
[19:02] <awe> but it can be done
[19:59] <muka> is it possible to send a sms via web page? I read Android uses something like this: <a href="sms:/* phone number here */&body=/* body text here */">SMS</a>
[20:22] <tmash_> hey all
[20:24] <tmash_> alright, im porting ubuntu touch for htc desire 816, having issues with mounting system.img partition, doesnt seem appropriate: [    3.173026] c3    393 pid:393(ureadahead)(parent:390/sh)  (debugfs) umounted filesystem. [    3.173998] c3      1 init: ureadahead-touch main process (390) terminated with status 5 [    3.440137] c2    445 pid:445(cgmanager)(parent:1/init)  (loop0) umounted filesystem.
[20:24] <tmash_> its currentyl s-on with unlocked bootloader
[20:24] <tmash_> is debugfs partition required? guess s-on disabled rw for debugfs.
[20:27] <tmash_> thanks, its would really appreciate any response, stuck on this for almost a month, im not new to porting, but facing incompatibilities in vendor (due to htc ) is a difficult task (?))
[20:28] <tmash_> oops almost forgot here is a dmesg: http://pastebin.com/E8xUz3mJ
[20:30] <tmash_> using cm-11 sources , faced no issues, compiled  completely from the first try ;). yes i did configure fstab, but i dont think this has anything to do with mounting an image in /data
[20:31] <mcphail> ogra_: following on from this afternoon's conversation about the voulme control not working for openal apps, can you test a click for me?
[20:32] <tmash_> i would happy to contribute and be a 'dog feed' for ubuntu touch :D
[20:32] <mcphail> rsalveti: ping
[20:34] <tmash_> is it really worth it to port ubuntu touch for htc phones, incompatibility/performance wise
[20:35] <taiebot> Hey all, I have not read anything about this yet. This was happening on vivid and it is still in willy so i suppose it should be not fixed on arale. Can anyone confirm that it has been reported http://uppix.com/f-screenshot2015045564d8b200190441.png http://uppix.com/f-screenshot2015045564d8880019043f.png
[20:36] <tmash_> what is arale?
[20:36] <tmash_> codename model?
[20:36] <taiebot> tmash_ next ubuntu phone
[20:37] <taiebot> tmash_ yeah they are code names for phones (Bq is using dragon ball names)
[20:38] <tmash_> oh, so thats probably a bq?
[20:39] <taiebot> tmash_ i think it is the MX4
[20:40] <tmash_> epic phone.
[20:41] <tmash_> too bad im on an eastern time, kernel devs are probably asleep :p
[20:41] <tmash_> this line in dmesg is killing me: pid:445(cgmanager)(parent:1/init)  (loop0) umounted filesystem.
[20:44] <tmash_> control group manager, lxc container, fs corruption?
[20:45] <mcphail> popey: you around? I'm looking for someone to test a .click on something other than krillin/rtm. It is a simple test app to play sound via OpenAL. The volume control doesn't seem to work for openal on my device and I want to know whether to file a bug
[20:46] <popey> sure
[20:47] <mcphail> popey: cheers - http://themcphails.uk/altest.njmcphail_0.1_armhf.click - does the volume control or mute button work for you?
[20:51] <popey> mcphail: i hear footsteps
[20:52] <mcphail> popey: does the volume slider do anything?
[20:52] <popey> no
[20:52] <popey> i actually have my phone in silent mode
[20:52] <popey> and still hear it
[20:52] <mcphail> think I should file a bug?
[20:52] <popey> it carries on making noise in the background too!
[20:52] <popey> i may not be on latest image on this device
[20:53] <mcphail> it does go away if you switch to something else
[20:53] <popey> no
[20:53] <mcphail> actually, you're right ... :(
[20:53]  * popey updates device
[20:54] <mcphail> keeping playing when screen off as well
[20:54] <mcphail> This breaks everything an app is supposed to be able to do
[20:54] <popey> ya
[20:55]  * mcphail feels kind of proud
[20:55] <popey> :)
[20:56] <mcphail> The source is in the .click. Just a simple OpenAL test I copied off a blog
[21:02] <taiebot> popey is it a known bug http://uppix.com/f-screenshot2015045564d8b200190441.png?
[21:03] <popey> possibly a toolkit bug
[21:14] <mcphail> Any idea what package I should file a bug against?
[21:40] <popey> mcphail: not sure really :S
[21:42] <mcphail> popey: can you bring it up with your ubuntu chums at your leisure? Very odd bug, and possibly worrying
[21:43] <mcphail> at the very least it gives capability to drain battery
[21:44] <popey> yeah, just updating my device to see if it still happens
[21:44] <popey> took longer than expected
[21:44] <mcphail> which device is this one?
[21:50] <popey> mx4
[21:50] <mcphail> on wily?
[21:51] <popey> no, vivid
[21:51] <mcphail> same behaviour still present?
[21:51] <popey> yes
[21:52] <mcphail> hmm
[21:52] <popey> how are you launching?
[21:52] <popey> directly executing the sdl linked binary?
[21:52] <popey> nvm, I can read the desktop file
[21:53] <mcphail> popey: source code is in click. Shell script sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[21:53] <popey> yeah
[21:53] <popey> odd
[21:54] <mcphail> Hanyway, off to kill a few wizards on Chaos Reborn before bed
[23:51] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Dropping-Ubuntu-Edge-Was-Canonical-s-Biggest-Mistake-482327.shtml
[23:51] <lotuspsychje> oO