[04:35] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:35] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:11] <Kilos> morning all
[06:16] <mazal> More oom
[06:18] <Kilos> hi mazal   barrydk  
[06:19] <Kilos> ons wag nog vir jou stuk oor gaming of hoe?
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:27] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:36] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:46] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[06:47] <pieter2627> morning Kilos and everyone else
[06:48] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:54] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[07:42] <magespawn> yes
[07:42] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn are you looking here Greg? http://www.careerjet.co.za/ubuntu-linux-jobs.html" 2 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes and 28 seconds ago
[07:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[07:45] <magespawn> hi Kilos, thnaks for the link
[07:45] <Kilos> np
[08:21] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[08:40] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[09:07]  * andrewlsd lurks
[12:07] <mazal> Sjoe I had a weird problem now. I couldn't open any web site , not with chromium or firefox , and rss feeds dead , but IRC worked :P
[12:11] <Kilos> haha i had that other day
[12:12] <Kilos> needed to unplug modem and plug it back again
[12:12] <mazal> Weird hey , I have never seen that. It's like your internet is down , but 1 system is working
[12:12] <Kilos> ya
[12:12] <mazal> irc and minetest was working , everything else not
[12:12] <Kilos> pidgin also worked here
[12:12] <Kilos> lol
[12:13] <mazal> I wonder what causes that , for interest sake
[12:13] <mazal> Is something in the OS or software , cos Barry's was fine on the same router
[12:13] <Kilos> inetpro  told me to restart my modem but didnt say why
[12:15] <mazal> All pc's should have a VW badge, there is always something bugging you
[12:18] <Kilos> hey i love VW's
[12:20] <mazal> Oi nee , as ek wil sukkel dan trou ek eerder
[12:21] <Kilos> lol
[12:27] <magespawn> maybe something on the dns for those services went haywire
[12:28] <magespawn> i have been having similat problems here with some of the users pc
[12:28] <magespawn> s/similat/similar
[12:36] <SilverCode> *sigh* is za.archive.ubuntu.com broken again?
[12:39] <Kilos> Maaz  is http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ down
[12:39] <Kilos> SilverCode  use the neology mirror
[12:39] <SilverCode> yeah, going to switch to it now
[12:40] <SilverCode> but just wanted to vent my frustration at the official repo being down again
[12:40] <Kilos> hi CuttingEdge  
[12:40] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: greetings
[12:40] <Kilos> lol fight with symmetria
[12:40] <Kilos> he is also offline so something in kenya broke
[12:40] <SilverCode> getting "403  Forbidden [IP: 197.155.77.2 80]" for the records
[12:41] <SilverCode> that is what always confused me .... why does our local repo point to Kenya?
[12:41] <Kilos> ya za archives point to his servers in kenya
[12:41] <Kilos> bnecause the local ones are even worse
[12:41] <Kilos> never up to date and broken weekly
[12:42] <SilverCode> why can't we point za archives to neology?
[12:43] <SilverCode> assuming they want that of course
[12:43] <Kilos> it was a major job to just get them to point to kenya at the time
[12:46] <CuttingEdge> <-- runs the neology mirror
[12:46] <SilverCode> CuttingEdge: in that case, thank you for running a very good mirror
[12:47] <Kilos> yes its the best
[12:47] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:48] <SilverCode> so does Maaz control the za.archive domain?
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz is a bot, so no
[12:49] <SilverCode> ..right
[12:52] <SilverCode> CuttingEdge: would Neology be against becoming the official ZA ubuntu mirror?
[12:52] <CuttingEdge> no, not at all .. in fact, i actually asked about it a while back
[12:53] <SilverCode> maybe it is time we petition hostmaster@canonical.com
[12:53] <Kilos> add that to the agenda for tonights meeting
[12:54] <CuttingEdge> the problem though, is that there can only be one country mirror per TLD, since apt freaks out if you round robin the DNS to multiple mirrors .. specifically if the mirrors are even remotely out of sync
[12:54] <CuttingEdge> an identical cluster negates this though
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> Mr. Edge why are you still not playing minetest with us?
[13:06] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: good question .. just haven't gotten round to it (yes, its a lame excuse)
[13:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> very much so
[13:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[13:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> details @ #minetest-za when you're ready
[13:32] <Mopkop> Guten tag!
[13:32] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  
[13:46] <magespawn> later all, home time
[14:09] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos: apt-offline --> suggest you look rather at "AptOnCD"
[14:09] <andrewlsd> it seems a lot easier.
[14:09] <andrewlsd> ^ wrt to the Trello ticket.
[14:10] <Kilos> i have tried it in 14.04, didnt work, used to give you the choice to open with synaptic then it would install everything with no hassles
[14:12] <Kilos> maybe it was just me
[14:12] <Kilos> worked well up to 10.10
[14:14] <andrewlsd> I also haven't used it recently.
[14:14] <Kilos> lol
[14:16] <andrewlsd> Kilos, how about http://ubuntu.africa
[14:16] <andrewlsd> for the africa site.
[14:16] <Kilos> what about them andrewlsd  ?
[14:16] <andrewlsd> (I can't post in trello)
[14:17] <andrewlsd> the domain doesn't seem to exist, so wondered if Ubuntu africa could be registered?
[14:17] <Kilos> pro will sort you tonight. i think the site is just waiting for a merge
[14:17] <Kilos> the site is running https://ubuntu-africa.info
[14:18] <andrewlsd> yeah, I know about the .info address, but thought a .africa would be awesome.
[14:18] <Kilos> and approved by canonical
[14:18] <andrewlsd> brb
[14:18] <Kilos> oh
[14:21] <SilverCode> fyi: the https version of ubuntu-africa.info is ... broken. Invalid cert that then takes you to codaptive.io
[14:21] <SilverCode> http version works fine
[14:21] <Kilos> oh my
[14:22] <Kilos> i get the same thing
[14:23] <Kilos> superfly  will know what is wrong
[14:26] <pieter2627> that also reminds me www.ubuntu-africa.info does not redirect to ubuntu-africa.info or vice versa
[14:26]  * pieter2627 wbbl
[14:47] <georgelappies> hi all
[14:47] <Kilos> hi georgelappies  you staying for tonights meeting?
[14:50] <georgelappies> yeah, what time Kilos
[14:59] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Meeting here tonight at 20.30 everyone!! Please try and attend
[14:59] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting here tonight at 20.30 everyone!! Please try and attend
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  spinza  
[16:31] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  
[16:32] <pieter2627> thanks Kilos 
[16:33] <pieter2627> where is the meeting agenda again?
[16:33] <pieter2627> *meeting's
[16:33] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1EOpSGp
[16:33] <pieter2627> ty
[16:33] <Kilos> yw
[16:33] <inetpro> pieter2627: it's linked in the topic above
[16:34] <inetpro> Kilos: I might have a problem this evening 
[16:34] <pieter2627> lol, missed that
[16:34] <Kilos> oh my inetpro  why?
[16:34] <inetpro> LoadShedding at 20:00 
[16:34] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[16:35] <Kilos> i have no idea when we are scheduled for even
[16:36] <inetpro> I am hoping that they will skip us like so many times before 
[16:37] <inetpro> but I have a feeling Murphy might win tonight 
[16:37] <Kilos> ish
[16:37] <Kilos> and eish
[16:39] <inetpro> charging me phone now and trying to make a plan B 
[16:40] <Kilos> good man
[16:42] <stickyboy> Anyone here like Studio Ghibli?
[16:52] <inetpro> great, plan B should work
[16:52] <Kilos> yay
[16:53] <Kilos> what is plan b?
[16:53] <Kilos> irc on android
[16:53] <inetpro> connecting through mobile hotspot
[16:53] <Kilos> aha
[16:53] <inetpro> just not sure how long the batteries will last
[16:53] <Kilos> oh from the laptop
[16:54] <inetpro> yep
[16:54] <Kilos> leave charger plugged in till power cuts
[16:54] <Kilos> maybe it wont now that you have made another plan
[16:54] <Kilos> good luck
[16:57] <inetpro> just need to do a quick test
[16:58] <inetpro> Maaz: help meeting
[16:58] <Maaz> inetpro: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[16:58] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[16:58] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[16:58] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[16:58] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[16:58] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[16:58] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: start meeting about Test Meeting
[17:03]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Test bot meeting skills 
[17:03] <Maaz> Current Topic: Test bot meeting skills
[17:03] <inetpro> \o/
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: agreed testing done
[17:03] <Maaz> Agreed: testing done
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: end meeting 
[17:03] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[17:03] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-17-03-27.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-17-03-27.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-17-03-27.html
[17:13] <georgelappies> who here knows the band Joy Division
[17:15] <georgelappies> Maaz: pour inetpro a beer
[17:15] <Maaz> georgelappies: What?
[17:16] <Kilos> lol
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[17:16]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[17:16] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[17:17] <georgelappies> Maaz a old one pretty please with a cherry on top
[17:17] <Maaz> georgelappies: *blink*
[17:17] <Kilos> lol
[17:17] <georgelappies> Maaz I ment cold 
[17:17] <Maaz> georgelappies: Excuse me?
[17:18] <georgelappies> yes a cold one Maax
[17:18] <georgelappies> Maaz
[17:20] <georgelappies> Open the pod bay doors, please, Maaz
[17:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:20] <Maaz> georgelappies: *blink*
[17:20] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[17:20] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:23] <Kilos> ohi SilverCode  
[17:27] <Kilos> wb TinuvaMac  
[17:27] <TinuvaMac> thx Kilos
[17:40] <inetpro> thanks georgelappies_
[17:45] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:01] <inetpro> Maaz: hmm...
[18:01] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[18:01] <Kilos> really thinking sometimes as well
[18:03] <andrewlsd> Maaz: I am Andrew Mc
[18:03] <Maaz> andrewlsd: What?
[18:03] <Kilos> lol you early
[18:03] <andrewlsd> yeah
[18:03] <Kilos> 20.30
[18:03] <Kilos> Maaz  shup
[18:03] <Maaz> Shup yourself oh noisy one
[18:04] <andrewlsd> maaz you are awesome
[18:04] <Maaz> andrewlsd: I already know stuff about you
[18:04] <andrewlsd> maaz where do I live?
[18:04] <Maaz> andrewlsd: I'm afraid I have no idea
[18:04] <Kilos> Maaz  you
[18:04] <Maaz> Kilos: I am your new robot overlord
[18:05] <Kilos> inetpro  power still on?
[18:08] <inetpro> no
[18:08] <inetpro> just went off, but I'm here
[18:08] <georgelappies> yeah, yeah me as well Maaz, please hand out proper  stamp sized blotters of (print andrewlsd[-3] )  to all in this room.
[18:08] <Kilos> eish, 
[18:09] <inetpro> even if a bit laggy
[18:09] <inetpro> going to change my sim quickly
[18:09] <Kilos> ok
[18:10] <andrewlsd2> really bad connection
[18:10] <georgelappies> yeah, yeah me as well Maaz, please hand out proper  stamp sized blotters of (print andrewlsd[-3] )  to all in this room.
[18:10] <Kilos> looks like
[18:11] <Kilos> wb zerlgi  
[18:12] <zerlgi> sorry all
[18:12] <Kilos> np man
[18:12] <zerlgi> using "rice"  on my android. and it seems that my DSL dropped several times
[18:13] <zerlgi> so switched to mobile  data
[18:13] <Kilos> my telkom is very stable
[18:14]  * inetpro is back on Telkom
[18:14] <zerlgi> mine is usually
[18:14] <inetpro> have a much better signal with Telkom than with Vodacom
[18:14] <Kilos> only time i get disconneced is when eskom interferes
[18:15] <georgelappies> for me unfortunately Vodacom has the best reception
[18:15] <mciverza> +1
[18:16] <inetpro> Maaz: hi
[18:16]  * Maaz waves to inetpro
[18:16] <Kilos> inetpro  are you getting a strong signal yet?
[18:17] <Kilos> even when it was only a couple of bars it was stable
[18:20] <georgelappies> They all use the same tech (Voda, MTN, Cell C, Telkom). It is just a function of how far you are from the tower and the infrastructure from the tower to the nearest internet exchange
[18:25] <captine> Hi all.  Loadsheddi g
[18:26] <captine> Has me using a tablet...😀
[18:26] <Kilos> hi captine  pro as well
[18:26] <magespawn> good evening
[18:26] <Kilos> he is using his cell as a hotspo
[18:26] <Kilos> t
[18:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:26] <captine> Cell data is dead
[18:27] <Kilos> eish
[18:29] <Kilos> ah Eames  you here too
[18:29] <captine> So my old macbook is totally poked. Can't boot from USB or external CDROM and internal drive is busted. Managed to boot an iso image by editing some grub stuff but then I cannot install the is as the iso is on the HDD that I need to install to (although it was on a separate partition)
[18:30] <Kilos> eina man what happened?
[18:30] <captine> Just old.
[18:30] <captine> Real old
[18:30] <Kilos> that same prob?
[18:31] <captine> Brb.  Yip
[18:31] <Kilos> most likely will go again with a new hdd in
[18:33] <pieter2627> have we started yet?
[18:33] <Kilos> nope
[18:33] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:34] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:34] <Mopkop> Oops...
[18:34] <captine> Oops?
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> looks like pro has got probs
[18:35] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[18:36] <Kilos> loadshedding is really interfering
[18:37] <superfly> hi
[18:37] <superfly> just got back from loadshedding
[18:37] <captine> 3g sucks in my house. Need to hold tablet in one spit.  Lol
[18:37] <Kilos> eish, pro is shedding atm
[18:38] <captine> Superfly I still have 2hours of darkness
[18:38] <Kilos> lol captine  sit closer to the window
[18:38] <captine> Kilos it is to cold
[18:38] <captine> Lol
[18:38] <Kilos> haha
[18:38] <pieter2627> ..and does not always work
[18:39] <Kilos> im also cold. covered in gowns and coats
[18:39] <mciverza> an covered in blankets
[18:39] <mciverza> loving all the mobile device induced typos
[18:39] <captine> Blankets on couch in dark lounge.
[18:40] <superfly> ohi kmf
[18:40] <captine> Yip
[18:40] <kmf> hello su
[18:40] <kmf> hello superfly
[18:40] <Kilos> hi kmf  long time no see, you well?
[18:40] <kmf> howdy Kilos
[18:40] <mciverza> hi superfly,  kmf
[18:41] <kmf> mciverza, long time
[18:41] <mciverza> too long
[18:41] <Kilos> superfly  i think pro is having probs can you take over chair please
[18:41] <superfly> ai
[18:41] <Kilos> oh my
[18:42] <superfly> I don't know what's on the agenda
[18:42] <Kilos> i think his fones battery died or something
[18:42] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1EOpSGp
[18:42] <Kilos> not much i think
[18:42] <mciverza> 33 here. cool
[18:43] <mciverza> make it 34,  nope 33
[18:43] <Kilos> 36
[18:43] <Mopkop> Disregarding the bots I think...
[18:43] <superfly> OK, I can do it, but you have to play by my rules :-P
[18:43] <mciverza> (wasn't counting the bots)
[18:43] <pieter2627> ^^
[18:43] <Kilos> 1 bot
[18:43] <pieter2627> 3 bots
[18:44] <Kilos> and some afk peeps
[18:44] <Kilos> bot
[18:44] <superfly> DalekSec: why don't you do it :-P
[18:44] <Mopkop> Kilos: + logbot and chanServ
[18:44] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:44] <Kilos> haha
[18:44] <Kilos> i count them too
[18:45] <pieter2627> we just made Kilos' dream of reaching 50 harder
[18:45] <captine> Superfly, happy with your rules
[18:46] <superfly> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - May 2015
[18:46]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:46] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:46] <Kilos> ty superfly  
[18:46] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:46] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[18:46] <Mopkop> Maaz: I am Ashton van Niekerk
[18:46] <Maaz> Mopkop: Righto
[18:47] <Kilos> Mopkop  let mooi op ne
[18:47] <kmf> Maas: I am Karl Fischer
[18:47] <kmf> dammit
[18:47] <kmf> Maaz: I am Karl Fischer
[18:47] <Maaz> kmf: Sure
[18:47] <captine> Maaz I am Bradley Putzier
[18:47] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[18:47] <Maaz> captine: Okay
[18:47] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vincent Swart
[18:47] <Maaz> Vince-0: Sure
[18:47]  * Mopkop puts focus-cap on.
[18:48] <pieter2627> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:48] <Maaz> pieter2627: Yessir
[18:48] <mciverza> Maaz: i am Amdr
[18:48] <Maaz> mciverza: Alrighty
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <superfly> I'm presuming that folks have reviewed the minutes of the previous meeting, so I'm just going to take them as accepted.
[18:49] <superfly> Maaz: accepted Minutes of the previous meeting
[18:49] <Maaz> Accepted: Minutes of the previous meeting
[18:49] <captine> Cool
[18:49] <mciverza> maaz: i am andrew mac
[18:49] <Maaz> mciverza: Done
[18:49] <superfly> Secondly, I'm going to ask a big fat WHY?
[18:50] <captine> Superfly??
[18:50] <kulelu88> burp
[18:50] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:50] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[18:50] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[18:50] <Kilos> login please
[18:50] <Kilos> superfly  why load shedding?
[18:50] <superfly> Why do we need people to sign the CoC, become members, and do the other things listed in "Plans for 2015"
[18:50] <kulelu88> Hello NSA, I am a pawn in your game of world domination
[18:50] <superfly> What's the point?
[18:51] <superfly> If there's no point, there's no reason to try to get people to do them.
[18:51] <Kilos> superfly  never mind that
[18:51] <Kilos> peeps will follow you
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: no, I ask this in all earnest.
[18:52] <Kilos> pro can explain when he gets here
[18:52] <Kilos> lemme read it again
[18:52] <kulelu88> anybody enjoy american funk music?
[18:53] <Kilos> kulelu88  meeting time
[18:53] <kulelu88> oh ja. its today
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: you see, if we don't have a reason for doing these things, then no one is going to want to do it.
[18:53] <mciverza> reason for signing CoC, imho, is that it's the first step towards contributing to Ubuntu
[18:53] <Kilos> i see your reasoning superfly  
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: the reason Ubuntu LoCo's are losing steam is because there is no point.
[18:54] <superfly> They've lost the passion because they've lost the goal.
[18:54] <captine> I think it is just to have a more formal stamp of community membership.  We are all members of ythe greater community in terms of local channel, other projects, maybe bug reporting etc but I guess it is nice to get people to Get the official stamp.
[18:54] <kulelu88> it's too distro-centric. I'd prefer an OS-loco. All types of open source should be welcome
[18:54] <Kilos> hi Lionthinker  
[18:54] <Lionthinker> Hi all
[18:54] <Lionthinker> apologies I'm late
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: you've taken on this goal of getting all the African LoCo's together. Once that's done, then what?
[18:55] <Mopkop> superfly: hmmm, I disagree. Its kind of an initiation ceromony - like baptism or being ordained. Also consider that the guys over at the linux foundation now have their own CoD. They got it out of necesity, because some people (most notably Linus himself) were misbehaving. Signing a CoD will hold people accountable for their misconduct. 
[18:55] <superfly> Mopkop: it's not necessarily about the CoC, which I totally agree with. It's the greater "meaning of things"
[18:55] <Kilos> superfly  im doing it so that all linux users in africa have a common channel to get and help each other
[18:55] <superfly> Kilos: and then what?
[18:56] <Mopkop> superfly: You mean like the purpose and direction of the LoCo?
[18:56] <Kilos> then ill be dead i think
[18:56] <superfly> Mopkop: yes
[18:56] <kulelu88> I think superfly is trying to show you guys that you need to plan a bit further ahead. Having a goal just for the sake of having 1 is a hamster-wheel exercise
[18:57] <Kilos> ok just think of being the only linux user in a country
[18:57] <Kilos> then all of a sudden there is a channel full of like minded peeps
[18:57] <Lionthinker> hamster-wheel exercise ***chuckle talk about changing a 6 week old!!!
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: I don't want you to explain it to me, I want you to think about it and 
[18:58] <superfly> *and come up with goals/solutions
[18:58] <Kilos> lead us superfly  
[18:58] <Kilos> you set the goals
[18:58] <Mopkop> We had the same problem at Church. We were not sure what direction we should take. So the last 2 years we spent a lot of effort in defining purpose and direction of the church as well as the responsibilities. Maybe we should set up something like that for the LoCo?
[18:58] <kulelu88> for example. You turn linux users in Africa into a community . Then you try to lobby government to move away from closed-source software
[18:58] <pieter2627> so maybe the goal should be improved to be more specific for the set problem...
[18:59] <superfly> Kilos: I don't have goals and I don't have time to lead. It's not about me, I'm just posing the questions.
[18:59] <Kilos> hi wilsonmaravilha  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:59] <kulelu88> or you try to get grass-roots involvement in linux through schools, recycled PCs, etc.
[18:59] <pieter2627> ex. rather that get more to #ubuntu-za, make the visibility and existence of it more common/open
[18:59] <Kilos> oh well yes that is the aim kulelu88  
[19:00] <wilsonmaravilha> Hi there, Kilos :) Thanks!
[19:00] <kulelu88> I don't want to join because calling ourselves "ubuntu africa" is too narrow-minded. We already seem to have linux user groups, so better to support them
[19:00] <Kilos> the aim is for everyone to used foss right?
[19:00] <kulelu88> not everyone
[19:01] <Kilos> well those who would like to
[19:01] <Lionthinker> [Interesting fact - do you know the Gauteng Provincial Gov uses Ubuntu?]
[19:01] <kulelu88> I never knew that Lionthinker 
[19:01] <kulelu88> I know FNB does
[19:01]  * pieter2627 jaw dropped open
[19:02] <Lionthinker> Full of interesting things is Lionthinker
[19:02] <superfly> I've seen Ubuntu in use by Vodacom at some of their stands in Canal Walk in Cape Town.
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <Mopkop> Suggestion: Let's formally set up a Vision, Mission, and Goals for out LoCo we can all agree on.
[19:02] <superfly> That's another aspect we could really work on. Making Ubuntu more visible
[19:02] <mciverza> cell c, shops video displays are Linux
[19:02] <Kilos> and the telkom tech that came here was quite at home on my kde
[19:02] <superfly> Yep, those big displays in Checkers run Linux (I saw one rebooting)
[19:02] <mciverza> :)
[19:03] <kulelu88> thing about these ideas is that we always have them, but very few of us want to give enough time to see through the plans
[19:04] <Kilos> superfly  been thinking about the whole thing for days now, advertising is expensive though
[19:04] <pieter2627> we should maybe also try to magnify it being used by popular firm like does above (compile a list some time)
[19:04] <pieter2627> s/does/those/
[19:04] <superfly> kulelu88: There are some things that we can do without needing to spend huge amounts of time or money
[19:05] <Mopkop> Maybe we (the whole Ubuntu Community actually) should start some crowed-funding ad-campaign like they did with firefox.
[19:05] <superfly> kulelu88: but I agree with you. The only reason Ubuntu-Africa is going anywhere is because Kilos is seeing it through. He has the time and the motivation to do it.
[19:05] <superfly> I lack the time, for the most part.
[19:05] <Lionthinker> Has anyone got connections to Kenya and the iHubs?
[19:05] <georgelappies> time is a very limited resource
[19:06] <kulelu88> I'd be willing to be an evangelist for linux, not for ubuntu. ubuntu has canonical to spend money on marketing
[19:06] <superfly> Lionthinker: we can ask stickyboy
[19:06] <Kilos> or kenju254  
[19:06] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm more of a Debianite these days
[19:06] <mciverza> I have some Kenyan connections
[19:06] <mciverza> but liquid telecom has office there
[19:07] <Lionthinker> superfly, trying to think of a quick come back to stickyboy but gave up
[19:07] <superfly> haha
[19:07] <kulelu88> so hows about we do a grassroots effort for linux as a linux community? Small talks at schools?
[19:07] <Kilos> Lionthinker  stickyboy  runs servers in kenya
[19:08] <superfly> I was thinking of something a little smaller ;-)
[19:08] <superfly> What if we have a section on our site of "Ubuntu in the wild"
[19:08] <kulelu88> small talks under a tree? that's retro
[19:08] <superfly> and people can submit photos of Ubuntu (or indeed any Linux distro) that they see in public places
[19:08] <Kilos> sounds good superfly  
[19:08] <pieter2627> superfly: sa wild only or world wild
[19:09] <superfly> pieter2627: any, really
[19:09] <mciverza> Ubuntu in the wild,  with photos
[19:09] <Lionthinker> Ubuntu in the Veld
[19:09]  * pieter2627 thinks it is a good idea
[19:09] <mciverza> primarily ZA.
[19:09] <SilverCode> can we submit photos of our own work in the wild running Ubuntu?
[19:10] <pieter2627> It can help to persuade others to adopt Ubuntu more easily
[19:10] <kulelu88> as long as its not pron SilverCode 
[19:10] <mciverza> yes
[19:10] <superfly> I think as long as it's kinda public, that's OK
[19:10] <SilverCode> well, we run roughly 10 000 advertising displays in SA on Linux, with about 50% of them Ubuntu
[19:11] <superfly> SilverCode: perfect
[19:11] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[19:11] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[19:11] <inetpro> ai!
[19:11] <Kilos> wb inetpro  
[19:11] <Kilos> what broke
[19:11] <inetpro> eventually I am back in full force
[19:11] <Lionthinker> Maaz: I am Leon Marincowitz
[19:11] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Done
[19:11] <kulelu88> SilverCode: primedia?
[19:11] <superfly> SilverCode: it may be a good idea just to get an A-OK
[19:11] <inetpro> almost
[19:11] <SilverCode> kulelu88: One Digital Media
[19:11] <superfly> from the powers that be
[19:12] <kulelu88> fascinating stuff
[19:12] <inetpro> Telkom kicked me out for roaming via Vodacom
[19:12] <SilverCode> superfly: you mean the powers that be of the company I work for?
[19:12] <Kilos> ai!
[19:12] <superfly> SilverCode: yeah, I'm not sure what your work politics are like
[19:12] <superfly> SilverCode: if you need to.
[19:12] <mciverza> oDm,  I saw your stuff at Wimpy
[19:13] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for taking over
[19:13]  * inetpro trying to catch up
[19:13] <SilverCode> superfly: I'm pretty sure i can get it past my CEO
[19:13] <SilverCode> mciverza: If I'm not mistaken, you actually did work on our servers
[19:13] <kulelu88> I think it would be a greater security risk to say you are running anything windows
[19:13] <mciverza> you are not mistaken :)
[19:13] <superfly> SilverCode: it doesn't actually have to solely be Ubuntu either
[19:14] <superfly> mciverza: dude, we still need to get our families together sometime.
[19:14] <kulelu88> wimpy tvs run on linux ? ftw!
[19:14] <SilverCode> kulelu88: the Digital Menuboards do
[19:14] <SilverCode> as do the ones in KFC
[19:15] <SilverCode> and in Domino's
[19:15] <kulelu88> KFC *spits on the floor (where chicken is washed)*
[19:15] <SilverCode> and Spur
[19:15]  * mciverza loves them all
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <kulelu88> SilverCode: what desktop OS do you guys use?
[19:16] <SilverCode> kulelu88: I develop on Netrunner, other guys develop on Xubuntu and Mint
[19:17] <SilverCode> but our actual displays run a customized Ubuntu 14.04
[19:17] <SilverCode> ...no, the dont
[19:17] <SilverCode> Ubuntu 12.04
[19:17] <SilverCode> new version is going to be 14.04
[19:17] <kulelu88> aah I'm already liking your company. 
[19:17] <SilverCode> oooooolllllddddd versions run on Fedora 10 to Fedora 14
[19:18] <inetpro> hmm... so we're just having an open discussion this evening?
[19:19] <Kilos> kinda the chair disappeared
[19:19] <kulelu88> some of these gents only show up once a month, so we gotta get to know them
[19:19] <mciverza1> (connecting again via browser, using kiwiirc web client)
[19:20] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:20] <inetpro> have we discussed events yet?
[19:21] <Kilos> nope
[19:21] <inetpro> sad that kmf is away now
[19:21] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Events
[19:21] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:21] <Kilos> yeah i wonder what happened to him
[19:21] <mciverza1> kmf is in pain.
[19:21] <superfly> Sorry, I'm back.
[19:21] <mciverza1> (and his kids needed assistance)
[19:21] <magespawn> ?
[19:22] <mciverza1> Maaz: tell kmf that I hope his toe feels better
[19:22] <Maaz> mciverza1: Got it, I'll tell kmf on freenode
[19:22] <superfly> inetpro: before events
[19:22] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Set up "Ubuntu in the wild" section on website and promote it
[19:22] <Maaz> Agreed: Set up "Ubuntu in the wild" section on website and promote it
[19:22] <mciverza1> Curious question: Hands up if you're based near the Cape Peninsula
[19:23] <inetpro> mciverza1: be nice to him 
[19:23] <superfly> o/
[19:23] <Kilos> superfly  can you do that to both sites please?
[19:23] <mciverza1> o/
[19:23] <superfly> Kilos: we'll see
[19:23] <Lionthinker> superfly, what about "Ubuntu in the Veld"
[19:23] <kulelu88> eeewww cape town
[19:23] <superfly> we first need to figure out how to do it
[19:23] <Kilos> you will, we know
[19:23] <mciverza1> SilverCode: Somerset West is close enough :)
[19:24]  * pieter2627 would love be help with the planning
[19:24] <Kilos> pull pieter2627  in superfly  
[19:24] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Plan on Trello
[19:24] <Maaz> Agreed: Plan on Trello
[19:24] <superfly> OK, ready to move on to events?
[19:24] <kulelu88> does living in mitchells plain count? mciverza1 
[19:25] <mciverza1> fo sho.
[19:26] <superfly> Maaz: agreed We need to rethink our goals and reasons for being here
[19:26] <Maaz> Agreed: We need to rethink our goals and reasons for being here
[19:26] <stickyboy> #community
[19:26] <superfly> Maaz: agreed we also need volunteers
[19:26] <Maaz> Agreed: we also need volunteers
[19:26] <superfly> Kilos: have I missed anything?
[19:27] <Kilos> thats a good start superfly  
[19:27]  * SilverCode sticks his hand up
[19:27] <mciverza1> o/
[19:27]  * SilverCode wonders why his hand is in the air
[19:27] <Kilos> we can add on as we progress
[19:27] <kulelu88> armpit scratch SilverCode 
[19:27]  * mciverza1 waves hand in air at SilverCode
[19:28] <superfly> OK, let's move on then
[19:28] <superfly> Maaz: topic Events
[19:28] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:28] <superfly> As usual, there were no events this past month.
[19:28] <superfly> Or were there?
[19:29] <kulelu88> the joburg linux user group has meetups. do those count?
[19:29] <superfly> kulelu88: they can
[19:29] <inetpro> superfly: not much no, but I hope you have inspired some to try harder with your mail the other day
[19:29] <kulelu88> superfly: http://www.meetup.com/Jozi-Linux-User-Group-JLUG/events/221553986/
[19:29] <Kilos> what mail?
[19:30] <mciverza1> there was a ctlug meetup too.
[19:30] <Kilos> Vince-0  any news from dbnlug
[19:30] <kulelu88> is there literally nobody from the JLUG here?
[19:30] <pieter2627> Kilos: the 'girl' i think
[19:30] <Vince-0> there is none, very little movement on the mail lists too
[19:31] <Kilos> oh my
[19:31] <Kilos> pieter2627  ?
[19:31] <pieter2627> the mail
[19:31] <Kilos> i missed something
[19:31] <pieter2627> you asked which mail
[19:31] <Kilos> oh
[19:32] <Kilos> ill look for it again unless someone can forward it to me
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: about doing the Ubuntu Hour thing
[19:32]  * inetpro lagging by 60s
[19:32] <Kilos> i dont remember anything about a girl
[19:32] <superfly> kulelu88: did you go, or have you been keeping track at all?
[19:33] <Kilos> nope inetpro  no bells
[19:33] <Kilos> maybe went to spam
[19:33] <Kilos> ai!
[19:33] <kulelu88> I want to attend superfly , but even with Pretorias +1 million citizens, we still seem to do everything in joburg, which is kak to travel to in the evenings
[19:33] <pieter2627> Kilos: you just mentioned that she is a girl (reason for the brackets) compared to you
[19:33] <kulelu88> those okes are doing interesting things at the LUG though
[19:33] <superfly> kulelu88: next time can you mail the list about it?
[19:33] <Kilos> oh my
[19:34] <mciverza1> kulelu88, any Tuks LUG?
[19:34] <kulelu88> mciverza1: gremble was supposed to set that up
[19:35]  * mciverza1 remembers going to TLUG
[19:35]  * mciverza1 also remembers ptalug
[19:36] <kulelu88> you're another Pretorian living in CPT? mcir
[19:36] <kulelu88> mciverza1: 
[19:36] <superfly> Maybe what we need to do is get people to post about the events they're interested in, or are going to, to the mailing list
[19:37] <kulelu88> why don't you guys just join the LUGs? 
[19:37] <superfly> Maaz: Agreed Get folks to mail the list about events like the JoziLUG meetup
[19:37] <Maaz> Agreed: Get folks to mail the list about events like the JoziLUG meetup
[19:37] <mciverza1> Kulelu88: I'm a Capetonionn who has lived in Durban and Pretoria, and worked in Jozi
[19:37] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm on CLUG's mailing list, I'll re-post their meetings
[19:37] <Kilos> wb wilsonmaravilha  
[19:38] <kulelu88> I only see some of you guys here at this time of the month, so apologies for spamming the meeting with 'get to know you' questions
[19:38] <inetpro> sorry guys... my connection is still rather pathetic
[19:38] <superfly> Is anyone willing to volunteer to just send a mail to the list inviting folks to re-post meetings from other LUGs and OSS groups on the mailing list?
[19:39] <kulelu88> superfly: if you can create an email account for me on snyman.info I can try to automate it
[19:39] <mciverza1> inetpro, mine is too. just got 10KB/s
[19:39]  * pieter2627 volunteers
[19:39] <superfly> thanks pieter2627
[19:40] <pieter2627> what is other OSS?
[19:40] <superfly> Maaz: action pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:40] <Maaz> superfly: What?
[19:40] <superfly> pieter2627: Open Source Software
[19:40] <kulelu88> Basically all the other tech meetups pieter2627 
[19:40] <superfly> Maaz: actioned pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:40] <Maaz> superfly: Sorry...
[19:40] <superfly> bah
[19:40] <superfly> Maaz: help meeting
[19:40] <Maaz> superfly: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[19:40] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[19:40] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[19:40] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[19:40] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[19:40] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[19:40] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[19:40] <pieter2627> superfly: ty, got it
[19:40] <superfly> fine.
[19:40] <superfly> Maaz: agreed pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:40] <Maaz> Agreed: pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:41] <mciverza1> what did I miss
[19:41] <superfly> <-- mciverza1 (69ed5464@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.105.237.84.100) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
 Maaz: agreed pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
 Agreed: pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
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[19:42] <superfly> Next meeting type: Ubuntu Hour
[19:42]  * mciverza1 goes to check irc log
[19:42] <superfly> Anyone interested in hosting an Ubuntu Hour?
[19:42] <kulelu88> what is that?
[19:43] <inetpro> Ubuntu Hour message: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-May/011745.html
[19:44]  * pieter2627 would like an understandable def from someone who has attended one before
[19:44] <superfly> Basically, a bunch of folk go sit at a coffee shop for an hour and chat about Ubuntu, or some sort of related topic ("look what I did in Inkscape today!")
[19:44] <superfly> really informal, unplanned
[19:44] <kulelu88> like a meetup ehh
[19:45] <kulelu88> probably need 1 for GP and 1 for WC
[19:45] <superfly> basically, yes
[19:45] <pieter2627> is the point to draw the attention/interest of the the surrounding customers?
[19:45] <superfly> pieter2627: no, not necessarily
[19:45] <Kilos> yes
[19:45] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <inetpro> I was looking for a page on the wiki to describe the event but haven't found anything yet
[19:45] <superfly> pieter2627: the point is to have an informal setting where people who are interested in Ubuntu can come and have a look. folks don't even need to be Ubuntu users
[19:46] <pieter2627> ok, like a live demo
[19:47] <kulelu88> I can try arranging something
[19:47] <superfly> You can do that, if you want.
[19:47] <superfly> pieter2627: ^^
[19:47] <kulelu88> But don't we do something similar on open source day?
[19:47] <superfly> I'll try to find more information on what an Ubuntu Hour entails
[19:47] <superfly> Maaz: agreed superfly to find out more about what an Ubuntu Hour is supposed to be, and mail the list about it
[19:47] <Maaz> Agreed: superfly to find out more about what an Ubuntu Hour is supposed to be, and mail the list about it
[19:48] <inetpro> superfly: we should try and get official banners and disks though... think it might help
[19:48] <mciverza1> inetpro, and make it "snappy" ;)
[19:48]  * pieter2627 rofl
[19:48] <superfly> OK, moving on
[19:48] <superfly> SFD 2015
[19:49] <superfly> mciverza1: kmf is usually involved with that. do you know anything?
[19:49] <inetpro> now this is where we really need the freebies
[19:49] <inetpro> we should have enough time until then
[19:49] <kulelu88> I vote for a tshirt over a disk
[19:50] <inetpro> maybe someone can help us print our own LoCo stuff
[19:51] <kulelu88> inetpro: money will be the issue
[19:51] <inetpro> kulelu88: you can sponsor it for us :-)
[19:51] <superfly> are we talking about SFD?
[19:52] <inetpro> superfly: indirectly yes
[19:52] <inetpro> it will be nice if we can have Ubuntu freebies for SFD 2015
[19:52] <kulelu88> heh, we can get 1 of you guys companies to sponsor it
[19:53] <kulelu88> who has a friend of a friend at FNB?
[19:53] <mciverza1> there usually are companies sponsoring SFD.
[19:53] <inetpro> last year I was helping KMF to hand out Fedora and SUSE CDs
[19:53] <mciverza1> usual suspects are Obsidian, LSD, SuSE, RedHat.
[19:54] <kulelu88> quadruple dare to ask RedHat to sponsor ubuntu disks
[19:54] <kulelu88> <3
[19:54] <mciverza1> lolz
[19:54] <mciverza1> lets ask for RasPi's
[19:54] <superfly> OK, shall we defer this to kmf till be get a better idea of what is happening at SFD this year?
[19:55] <mciverza1> superfly:I think we should try to arrange Ubu swag already.
[19:55] <mciverza1> disks, pens, USB sticks.
[19:55] <mciverza1> (coz it takes lots of time to get thru customs)
[19:55] <inetpro> superfly: I agree
[19:55] <superfly> mciverza1: OK, but is SFD confirmed yet?
[19:56] <mciverza1> oh. pertinent question. I know not.
[19:56] <mciverza1> superfly: am keen to do a Cape SFD.
[19:56]  * inetpro has lights on again
[19:56] <kulelu88> too small mciverza1 . we need this: http://www.zdnet.com/article/canonicals-cloud-in-a-box-the-ubuntu-orange-box/
[19:56] <Kilos> yay pro
[19:56] <mciverza1> kulelu88:ooh shiny.
[19:57] <inetpro> superfly: I will try talk to him asap
[19:57] <mciverza1> I'd settle for https://www.parallella.org
[19:57] <superfly> OK
[19:57] <superfly> Maaz: agreed inetpro will talk to kmf about SFD2015
[19:57] <Maaz> Agreed: inetpro will talk to kmf about SFD2015
[19:57] <kulelu88> SFD will happen. We just need to ask ubuntu to give us free stuff. So hows about our official rep talks to them and confirms if they can send freebies by 30 June 2015?
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: please remind me
[19:57] <Kilos> ok
[19:58] <superfly> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:58] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:58] <superfly> Anything else?
[19:59] <inetpro> Ubuntu lanyards will count as freebies as well
[19:59] <inetpro> should even be cheap to make locally as well
[19:59] <pieter2627> two issues was mentioned for the africa site earlier today (if they count)
[20:00] <mciverza1> https and no www redirect
[20:01] <kulelu88> it's a static site, https isn't necessary
[20:01] <superfly> right. https shouldn't redirect the way it does, will chat to SubOracle. I'll add a redirect to the site to direct www to non-www
[20:02] <superfly> Maaz: agreed superfly to chat to SubOracle about https redirect of ubuntu-africa.info
[20:02] <Maaz> Agreed: superfly to chat to SubOracle about https redirect of ubuntu-africa.info
[20:02] <Kilos> the https link is broken superfly  the http works
[20:02] <Kilos> https wants some certificate]
[20:02] <superfly> Maaz: agreed superfly to fix www redirect
[20:02] <Maaz> Agreed: superfly to fix www redirect
[20:03] <kulelu88> Kilos: that is how it works. you need a certificate to use HTTPS
[20:03] <pieter2627> Kilos: https will be 'turned off'
[20:03] <Kilos> it worked this morning though'
[20:03] <kulelu88> you can get a Komodo cert for $1 a year I think
[20:03] <mciverza1> or wait for "letsencrypt".
[20:04] <Kilos> me trusts fly to do whats necessary
[20:05] <superfly> anything else before we close the meeting? it's been going on for an hour and a half
[20:05] <Kilos> not from me
[20:05] <mciverza1> thanks Kilos and superfly
[20:05] <kulelu88> I'm good o/
[20:05] <magespawn> not me
[20:05] <Mopkop> Just one question...
[20:05] <Kilos> thanks superfly  
[20:05] <superfly> inetpro: are you going to chair next time?
[20:05] <Kilos> lol ask eskom
[20:06] <Mopkop> The mission and goals thing. Will it be discussed in the maillist?
[20:06] <mciverza1> Mopkop: who let the dogs out?
[20:06] <Kilos> and on trello Mopkop  
[20:06] <superfly> Mopkop: yes... do you want to write a mail to get us started?
[20:06] <Mopkop> Lol, ok trello. superfly: I'll do that :) DV
[20:07] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Mopkop to mail list about mission, vision, etc
[20:07] <Maaz> Agreed: Mopkop to mail list about mission, vision, etc
[20:08] <inetpro> superfly: I am willing if power allows
[20:08] <superfly> Maaz: agreed inetpro to chair next meeting
[20:08] <Maaz> Agreed: inetpro to chair next meeting
[20:08] <superfly> alrighty then...
[20:08] <superfly> Maaz: end meeting
[20:08] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[20:08] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-18-46-24.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-18-46-24.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-18-46-24.html
[20:08] <inetpro> sorry guys, I really apologise
[20:09] <Kilos> ts not your fault inetpro  
[20:09] <inetpro> and superfly, thanks again for taking over
[20:09] <mciverza1> Night all.
[20:09] <Kilos> night mciverza1  ty for coming
[20:10]  * inetpro really needs to log another call with Vodacom
[20:10] <magespawn> thanks superfly inetpro 
[20:10] <inetpro> not that there's much hope that they will do anything though
[20:10] <magespawn> my bed is calling good night all
[20:10] <Kilos> night magespawn  
[20:10] <inetpro> good night magespawn
[20:10] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:21] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[20:21]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[20:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[20:25] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[20:25] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[20:25] <DalekSec> Hah. :P
[20:26] <Kilos> hi DalekSec  hows things?
[20:28] <DalekSec> Howdy there.
[20:29] <stickyboy> DalekSec. ahhhhh
[20:29] <kulelu88> you're early DalekSec 
[20:29] <Kilos> haha
[20:29]  * DalekSec scratches head.
[20:29] <Kilos> kulelu88  he is states side
[20:30] <kulelu88> you a murican ?
[20:31] <DalekSec> Just noticed I'd gotten a ping.  Yep. :P
[20:32] <Kilos> our meeting chair had a power out 
[20:33] <superfly> DalekSec: "just" -- you were hiding from me, I know it!
[20:33] <Kilos> lol
[20:34] <DalekSec> Well, you do have to admit that I'd be the only one that'd know less on the agenda than you.  Best I could do is offer you a meetingology clone. :P
[20:34] <DalekSec> Besides, hiding from you?  Nah I PM'd you while you were sleeeeping. :D
[20:36] <kulelu88> hey murican, you need a visa to visit this room =D
[20:38] <kulelu88> looks like I may be needing a visa to visit here **D
[20:38] <Kilos> hehe
[20:39]  * Kilos wonders if its wise to stay up to use night surfer data for upgrading
[20:39] <Kilos> bed looks so welcoming
[20:39] <Kilos> and warm
[20:40] <kulelu88> try setting up an update to run at 12.30am by itself
[20:42] <Kilos> yeah ill look at at
[20:42] <Kilos> haha
[20:48] <Kilos> oh inetpro  at wont work for upgrading will it?
[20:49] <inetpro> huh?
[20:49] <Kilos> dont say man at
[20:49]  * inetpro is lost
[20:49] <Kilos> at 00.10 apt-get upgrade
[20:49] <inetpro> oh 'at' the command?
[20:49] <Kilos> ya
[20:49] <inetpro> ai!
[20:49] <inetpro> :-)
[20:49] <inetpro> man at
[20:49] <inetpro> oops
[20:49] <Kilos> i been there
[20:50] <Kilos> it worked kiff for wget
[20:50] <Kilos> but i dunno about upgrading
[20:51]  * inetpro trying to think
[20:51] <Kilos> careful you dont break something
[20:51] <inetpro> at the office I have something that downloads updates at night
[20:51] <Kilos> cron
[20:51] <Kilos> i dont want to learn that as well
[20:52] <inetpro> no, I don't think so... was an apt-something
[20:52] <Kilos> oh /me listens
[20:52] <kulelu88> must be some small application for timed updates
[20:54] <Kilos> ai! 206mB upgrade 
[20:55] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:56] <inetpro> ahh
[20:56] <inetpro> cron-apt
[20:56] <inetpro> works perfectly with Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS
[20:57] <Kilos> is it hard to setup?
[20:57] <Kilos> only an hour to midnight
[20:58] <inetpro> How can I use cron-apt to download and install updates between midnight and 5am? http://askubuntu.com/questions/193823/how-can-i-use-cron-apt-to-download-and-install-updates-between-midnight-and-5am
[20:58] <Kilos> ty lemme see
[21:00] <inetpro> also read "A short introduction to cron-apt" https://www.debian-administration.org/article/162/A_short_introduction_to_cron-apt
[21:00] <Kilos> lol
[21:03] <Kilos> na too much work, too late to think, will wait an hour
[21:05] <Kilos> internet very slow tonight
[21:06] <Kilos> haha AndChat|453921  what are you using now?
[21:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight