| bluesabre | micahg: should adding packages like this to 'supported' add them to the packageset? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.wily/revision/983 | 01:32 |
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| Unit193 | elfy: Basically, whatever you feel good with, and gives you the least work. So that sounds good. | 02:10 |
| Unit193 | That's a lot of backlog, btw. :P | 02:10 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Super+tab is entirely awesome, I use it so very often and 'tis why Openbox breaks my workflow. | 02:12 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I can poke Lubuntu for trayicon testing if you need, sure. | 02:14 |
| micahg | bluesabre: yes, I believe it should | 02:40 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 02:41 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yes, that would be great. we already have a bugreport against the trayicon, but well, more testing won't hurt | 06:15 |
| ochosi | and morning all | 06:16 |
| elfy | morning :) | 06:16 |
| elfy | Unit193: downside being we'd be putting https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ on tracker | 06:17 |
| ochosi | elfy: do you still have xfpm 1.5.0 installed on your testbox? | 06:19 |
| elfy | oh bah - no icon | 06:19 |
| elfy | no idea - still got whatever I built from git | 06:19 |
| ochosi | ok, that's good | 06:20 |
| Unit193 | Oh? | 06:20 |
| ochosi | wait, you don't have an icon now? | 06:20 |
| elfy | nope | 06:20 |
| ochosi | awesome | 06:20 |
| elfy | ... | 06:20 |
| ochosi | ok, i guess it's time to reopen that bugreport then i guess | 06:21 |
| elfy | no idea what's different between this restart and the dozen I did after building it yesterday | 06:21 |
| ochosi | tbh i wasn't very convinced by the fix when i saw it | 06:21 |
| ochosi | it wasn't very logical, it just seems that sometimes upower doesn't return the icon name correctly or something | 06:21 |
| ochosi | but what i don't get is why the fallback isn't being displayed at all times | 06:22 |
| ochosi | anyway, hopefully we'll have 1.5.0 in -staging soon, then testing will be easier | 06:22 |
| elfy | \o/ | 06:22 |
| * ochosi glances at Unit193 | 06:22 | |
| elfy | ochosi: I commented on the bug | 06:22 |
| ochosi | that was one reason for me to do the release yesterday | 06:22 |
| ochosi | thanks elfy! | 06:23 |
| elfy | I saaw talk of it going to staging - I'll watch for that | 06:24 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, panel 4.12 is working in my ppa, nothing broken locally. DO you want to upload it or should it go in xubuntu-staging? | 07:52 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: xubuntu-staging please so elfy and the others can pick it up | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: cool, didn't see any of the new packages in the packageset today, maybe micahg can run the update script for us :) | 11:00 |
| knome | GridCube, let's move the actual discussion here, actually.. | 13:18 |
| knome | i would say deviantart is better at least now, since i don't think we want to maintain any submission thing | 13:18 |
| knome | but i still think that there needs to be another way to participate, so if not else, there needs to be somebody that can take submissions and post them to deviantart/our own queue | 13:20 |
| GridCube | we just need people to upload a link to an imgur image for example and they to mark that they are licensing, i think that should be less confusing to people who doesnt have a dA and needs to send a mail or something to me and all that | 13:20 |
| knome | managing the to-be-featured list in a wiki is a good idea | 13:20 |
| knome | yes, that works as well | 13:20 |
| knome | ideally, we should be looking at all of our social media for those, but that means people need to be proactive | 13:21 |
| knome | i mean people in the team | 13:21 |
| knome | and since that's not always possible, it's a bit meh | 13:21 |
| GridCube | a simple form that says URL: and a disclaimer that says clearly "You are submitting an image and providing us with a CC3 share alike licence, and you are sure all images you provide in the screenshot are the same" | 13:22 |
| knome | the point is, it's not "simple" | 13:22 |
| knome | creating that is, sure | 13:22 |
| knome | getting that through the IS pipeline and to xubuntu.org and maintaining it not simple, it's a lot of maintaining overhead | 13:23 |
| lderan | bah | 13:33 |
| knome | wah? | 13:33 |
| lderan | to the lots of overhead | 13:35 |
| knome | yeah well | 13:35 |
| lderan | aye | 13:35 |
| micahg | bluesabre: I can get someone to run it | 14:04 |
| GridCube | knome: maybe hosting it somewhere else? | 14:15 |
| knome | GridCube, that is just as good as imgur/deviantart/name the service really, since it's not "official" | 14:15 |
| knome | but let's not get into the technical details... we just need the project happening | 14:22 |
| GridCube | alright | 14:28 |
| GridCube | ill see to restart the dA group and look around to see if i can find a more efficient way to get submissions | 14:28 |
| knome | thanks | 14:29 |
| knome | and as always, let me know if there's something you need help with | 14:29 |
| knome | i'll either draft an email to set the final pieces together, or add an item to the meeting agenda soonish | 14:30 |
| knome | (or both) | 14:30 |
| GridCube | ok | 14:30 |
| lderan | poke me GridCube if there is anything i can do, think i can remember my dA login lol | 14:39 |
| GridCube | :) | 14:55 |
| GridCube | will do lderan | 14:55 |
| rafaellaguna | o/ | 17:28 |
| knome | hello | 17:28 |
| rafaellaguna | hello brothers! :) | 17:29 |
| rafaellaguna | ochosi, are you here? | 17:29 |
| ochosi | sort of | 17:29 |
| rafaellaguna | :) | 17:29 |
| rafaellaguna | we're discussing about xfce4-notify daemon problems on lubuntu desktop | 17:30 |
| knome | ochosi, sort of are, or sort of here? | 17:30 |
| rafaellaguna | when will you be available for a chat? | 17:30 |
| knome | rafaellaguna, this isn't answering for ochosi, or this situation explicitly, but generally (at least on this channel): just type out your worries and we'll reply when we read it | 17:31 |
| rafaellaguna | okay, sorry, I thought he was "in charge" | 17:32 |
| rafaellaguna | this is the situation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1362555 | 17:32 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1362555 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "notification dialog has horizonal bars" [Low,Triaged] | 17:32 |
| knome | rafaellaguna, well he's in charge for his own words... ;) | 17:32 |
| rafaellaguna | lol | 17:32 |
| knome | rafaellaguna, but as i said, we generally welcome all discussions here without needing to ask permission | 17:33 |
| rafaellaguna | good to know :) | 17:33 |
| rafaellaguna | I come from a channel that uses to be more "chaotic" | 17:34 |
| knome | mhm, the people here usually behave well | 17:34 |
| * knome hides the whip a bit better | 17:34 | |
| elfy | ... | 17:34 |
| rafaellaguna | :D | 17:34 |
| knome | except elfy of course, he's the worst troll ever | 17:35 |
| rafaellaguna | we're all trolls | 17:35 |
| rafaellaguna | that's why we have an alternative non-dev channel for Lubuntu things, but 85% of our chat is sex, music, etc | 17:35 |
| knome | #xubuntu-offtopic :P | 17:36 |
| rafaellaguna | anyway, we have this bug for three releases now. it's affecting LXDE and MATE | 17:36 |
| brainwash_ | and you did not forward it upstream yet? | 17:36 |
| rafaellaguna | but MATE uses its own notify daemon, so they don't really know about this. but Lubuntu uses xfce4-notifyd, and it's using the panel background for its own background. odd | 17:37 |
| rafaellaguna | any clue? | 17:38 |
| knome | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1362555/comments/6 <- that? | 17:38 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1362555 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "notification dialog has horizonal bars" [Low,Triaged] | 17:38 |
| rafaellaguna | nope. already tried that | 17:38 |
| rafaellaguna | it fails with all themes, including those downloaded from gnome-look.org, for example | 17:39 |
| brainwash_ | and bug 1337303 ? | 17:40 |
| ubottu | bug 1337303 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "xfce4-notifyd uses tiled image as background " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337303 | 17:40 |
| rafaellaguna | the funny thing is there's no background specified in its gtrc, but it takes one | 17:40 |
| rafaellaguna | duplicated bug | 17:41 |
| brainwash_ | ye :) | 17:42 |
| rafaellaguna | I think I must locate the coder, not the packager. or call an exorcist :D | 17:42 |
| ochosi | ok, now i'm around | 17:48 |
| ochosi | rafaellaguna: what's up? | 17:49 |
| rafaellaguna | O.O | 17:49 |
| ochosi | ah, i remember that bugreport | 17:49 |
| rafaellaguna | yes, but as it's not affecting XFCE or Xubuntu users at all, it's "a bit ignored" :( | 17:49 |
| ochosi | hehe | 17:50 |
| ochosi | without looking at your theme code, i'd say that's the problem | 17:50 |
| ochosi | where's your theme at? | 17:50 |
| rafaellaguna | I tried fixing it, using 3rd party themes, but nothing happened | 17:50 |
| ochosi | lubuntu-artwork? | 17:50 |
| rafaellaguna | I'm using default theme for Lubuntu. but it happens with Elementary, Greybird, Yosemite, and all that uses a dedicated image for the panel | 17:51 |
| rafaellaguna | it automatically sets as notification background too | 17:51 |
| ochosi | jeeez, you're using the unico engine for lubuntu-artwork? | 17:51 |
| ochosi | well then it's likely that the themes are at fault | 17:51 |
| rafaellaguna | yes :( for the moment | 17:51 |
| rafaellaguna | why? I'm removing it, anyway | 17:51 |
| rafaellaguna | remember that lubuntu-theme is just a "fork" of Radiance | 17:52 |
| ochosi | well i never knew, so no way i could remember that | 17:52 |
| ochosi | so yeah, in xubuntu your theme works as expected | 17:52 |
| rafaellaguna | I expect it to work nice :) | 17:52 |
| rafaellaguna | it might be an interaction between xfce4-notify and our daemon | 17:53 |
| rafaellaguna | *settings daemon | 17:53 |
| ochosi | ehm, first of all, why do you have your xfce4-notifyd style in two places? that can't be a good idea | 17:53 |
| rafaellaguna | no, I removed the one in /apps | 17:54 |
| rafaellaguna | the daemon will only look for its config in its folder | 17:54 |
| ochosi | well, i'm using 15.04 and that's what i get | 17:54 |
| rafaellaguna | yes, that modification isn't included in that release | 17:54 |
| ochosi | so how do i get the most recent version of your theme then? | 17:55 |
| rafaellaguna | it's in the PPA | 17:55 |
| ochosi | and the source? | 17:55 |
| rafaellaguna | ppa:lubuntu-artwork/daily | 17:55 |
| ochosi | i don't need a PPA, just the source (git, bzr) is fine | 17:55 |
| rafaellaguna | lp:lubuntu-artwork | 17:55 |
| rafaellaguna | https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-art/+archive/ubuntu/daily | 17:55 |
| ochosi | so within xfce4-notifyd-settings you have selected Lubuntu-default as theme, right? | 17:57 |
| rafaellaguna | yes | 17:57 |
| rafaellaguna | so it uses the folder inside the theme, of course | 17:58 |
| ochosi | i'm pretty sure the problem is one of these lines: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-art/lubuntu-artwork/quantal/view/head:/src/usr/share/themes/Lubuntu-default/gtk-2.0/apps/lubuntu_lxpanel.rc#L93 | 17:59 |
| ochosi | you're matching some widget within xfce4-notifyd with that "theme-panel" style and then you get the tiles | 17:59 |
| ochosi | you could comment line by line until you find the offender | 17:59 |
| rafaellaguna | widget "*PanelWidget*" ? | 17:59 |
| ochosi | no, all lines that set "style "theme-panel"" | 18:00 |
| rafaellaguna | but it's supposed that the notifier only uses "XfceNotifyWindow" as widget definition | 18:00 |
| ochosi | no, it inherits other stuff from the theme that is currently in use as well | 18:00 |
| ochosi | the alternative to searching for the offender is to explicitely set a background in your notifyd-theme | 18:01 |
| ochosi | those are the two pointers i can give you | 18:01 |
| rafaellaguna | OMG, this looks very suspicious: "idget_class "*notif*"style "theme-panel"" | 18:01 |
| rafaellaguna | *widget_class | 18:01 |
| ochosi | hehe | 18:01 |
| ochosi | yeah | 18:01 |
| ochosi | it does | 18:01 |
| rafaellaguna | I feel stupid now :D | 18:01 |
| ochosi | no worries, happens to everyone ;) | 18:01 |
| ochosi | and all in all, it didn't take long for us to get here | 18:02 |
| rafaellaguna | ok, I'll try to comment those widgets and see what happens | 18:02 |
| rafaellaguna | yes, more eyes involved :) | 18:02 |
| ochosi | sure thing | 18:03 |
| ochosi | gotta take off to dinner now | 18:03 |
| rafaellaguna | ok, thanks a lot! | 18:03 |
| rafaellaguna | I'll try right now! | 18:03 |
| ochosi | good luck meanwhile, and as knome said, if you need help, just ping and i'll reply when i'm back | 18:03 |
| rafaellaguna | ochosi, I'll tell you if it works | 18:03 |
| rafaellaguna | ta mate! | 18:03 |
| ochosi | good good ;) | 18:03 |
| ochosi | (actually you dont have to cause i'm subscribed to your bugreport) | 18:04 |
| rafaellaguna | okay, but if it gets fixed you'll now here too :D | 18:04 |
| rafaellaguna | o/ | 18:05 |
| brainwash_ | Noskcaj: any idea what's broken here? bug 1399799 | 18:38 |
| ubottu | bug 1399799 in garcon (Ubuntu) "missed some languages in xfce-settings.directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1399799 | 18:38 |
| rafaellaguna | o/ | 20:06 |
| knome | hello again | 20:09 |
| rafaellaguna | helo knome :) | 20:09 |
| rafaellaguna | I've had to get back to tell you: http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com.es/2015/05/notifications-fixed.html | 20:09 |
| rafaellaguna | :) | 20:09 |
| knome | good to hear | 20:09 |
| rafaellaguna | yes, it is :) a bit late, it didn't upload with the distro release, but nice anyway | 20:11 |
| rafaellaguna | so thanks to you all | 20:12 |
| rafaellaguna | and to ochosi :) | 20:12 |
| lderan | \o/ | 20:14 |
| rafaellaguna | o/ lderan | 20:15 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash_, Just some compile-time thing. We had this issue already, i forget what package with. It should just need a rebuild | 20:21 |
| brainwash_ | Noskcaj: so, close the report and say that the issue is (or will be) fixed in later releases? | 20:25 |
| Noskcaj | It's fixed in later releases, if you have time this might be worth an SRU | 20:25 |
| Noskcaj | Just double-check it is fixed though | 20:26 |
| brainwash_ | I won't touch anything SRU related | 20:26 |
| brainwash_ | it's not even SRU worthy, or? | 20:26 |
| Noskcaj | not really worth, but it won't break anything so it would probably get through | 20:27 |
| brainwash_ | I fear that there won't be anyone to verify the potential update =S | 20:28 |
| brainwash_ | Noskcaj: want to update the bug status? | 20:30 |
| Noskcaj | done | 20:33 |
| brainwash_ | thanks | 20:34 |
| Noskcaj | new panel, new xfburn in xubuntu-staging | 20:45 |
| Noskcaj | xfpm will be in a few minutes | 20:45 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, ochosi: Does xfpm still need libsystemd-login-dev for logind? | 20:53 |
| Noskcaj | It's a transitional package that provides a .pc file and depends on libsystemd-dev | 20:54 |
| brainwash_ | should be libsystemd-dev | 20:55 |
| brainwash_ | starting with 15.04 | 20:55 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-xfce-devel/2015-March/020066.html | 20:56 |
| ochosi | rafaellaguna: good to hear. one more thing/hint: you could make the title/heading of the notifications bold. that tends to look good | 20:57 |
| rafaellaguna | yes, they are. I just invoked from the command line to do the screenshot | 20:58 |
| rafaellaguna | but summary is bold in the theme | 20:58 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, corsac already dropped that one, i'm just checking there's no hidden need for the .pc file | 20:59 |
| rafaellaguna | so THAAAANKS ochosi | 20:59 |
| ochosi | ah ok :) | 20:59 |
| ochosi | np, yw | 20:59 |
| rafaellaguna | btw, I didn't know you were you | 21:00 |
| ochosi | well, what can i say. i am me. | 21:00 |
| rafaellaguna | I mean, I knew your work at shimmer project before yourself :D | 21:00 |
| ochosi | i think we got in touch a looong time ago, pretty much when lubuntu became lubuntu | 21:01 |
| rafaellaguna | yes | 21:01 |
| rafaellaguna | at the very beginning | 21:01 |
| ochosi | anyway, good to see you stick around | 21:03 |
| rafaellaguna | me too | 21:03 |
| rafaellaguna | I'm a fan :) | 21:04 |
| ochosi | i guess now's not the time to invest heavily into redoing your gtk theme, since you'll be moving to qt soonish | 21:04 |
| rafaellaguna | yes, we're working on it | 21:04 |
| ochosi | hehe, well, enjoy it as long as you can time-wise ;) | 21:04 |
| rafaellaguna | I will :D | 21:04 |
| rafaellaguna | and I'll keep you informed | 21:05 |
| rafaellaguna | nite, guys and girls! | 21:05 |
| Noskcaj | xfpm is now in staging | 21:17 |
| ochosi | nice, thanks Noskcaj, i'll give it a try | 21:27 |
| ochosi | anything you noticed during packaging/testing so far? | 21:27 |
| Noskcaj | panel with xfpm 1.4.4 had 2 battery indicators, but i'll install 1.5.0 now and see how well it works | 21:28 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: You sure you didn't have indicator-power installed? | 21:28 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, I probably do, just pointing out it appeared due to the panel merge | 21:28 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: great, i'd be happy about any feedback there | 21:29 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, not installed | 21:29 |
| elfy | ochosi: seem to have icon there now | 21:35 |
| elfy | and got the staging one | 21:35 |
| ochosi | right | 21:35 |
| ochosi | well, since you said that you randomely don't get one, i'm still concerned tbh | 21:35 |
| elfy | yep | 21:35 |
| ochosi | also, someone else reported a missing trayicon today with 1.5.0 | 21:36 |
| elfy | got a pointer to what logs might be the ones to look in perhaps? | 21:36 |
| ochosi | there's not much magic happening there, basically we use the "icon-name" return value from upower, which you can also read via "upower -d" and provide a fallback in case upower doesn't provide a value | 21:37 |
| ochosi | i guess it's actually time to read gnome-power-manager's source and see whether they do anything special for their battery indicator | 21:38 |
| elfy | mmk | 21:38 |
| elfy | wandering now | 21:40 |
| ochosi | what you can do though, you can save the output of upower -d when the icon is there and compare it to when it isn't at some point | 21:41 |
| ochosi | that could be valuable | 21:41 |
| bluesabre | good evening folks | 21:41 |
| ochosi | oh hey bluesabre | 21:43 |
| ochosi | hmm, anyone with any gnome3 experience here? | 21:43 |
| bluesabre | hey ochosi | 21:43 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: ish, whats the question? | 21:43 |
| ochosi | frankly i have no clue what displays the battery icon in gnome shell | 21:43 |
| ochosi | maybe it's somewhere in gnome shell itself now | 21:43 |
| ochosi | doesn't seem to be in gnome-power-manager anymore, that one only draws graphs or stuff | 21:44 |
| bluesabre | oh, no idea for that | 21:44 |
| bluesabre | maybe ping satya? | 21:44 |
| bluesabre | since they're building a shell on top of gonme3 | 21:44 |
| ochosi | not sure he'll know, this is really a question about the *inner* workings of gnome, not the styling/looks | 21:44 |
| ochosi | oh true | 21:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: you can try xfpm1.5 now btw ;) | 21:47 |
| ochosi | looking forward to your feedback, especially since you have some devices that might finally show up there | 21:48 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: panel icon is black, system tray icon is blue, settings icons are gnome | 21:53 |
| ochosi | ok, you need to use the latest elementary-xfce to resolve that | 21:54 |
| bluesabre | ah, gotcha | 21:54 |
| ochosi | also, i found what i was looking for. it's scary, so little code. i wonder why we have so much (ok ok, this is js vs. c): https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-shell/blob/master/js/ui/status/power.js | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | interestingly, upower no longer recognizes my mouse these days | 21:56 |
| ochosi | i guess it's a feature... | 21:56 |
| ochosi | it also thinks that my bt keyboard is a battery | 21:56 |
| bluesabre | very nice | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | my headphones are at work | 21:57 |
| ochosi | on the plus side, it actually displays the battery status of the keyboard now | 21:57 |
| ochosi | i wonder, i really wonder, why do they use "system-shutdown-symbolic" as a fallback icon when there is no battery | 21:57 |
| ochosi | actually i guess i'd have to use gnome-shell at some point, maybe it'd actually make more sense then.. | 21:58 |
| bluesabre | or less | 21:58 |
| ochosi | yeah, who knows | 21:58 |
| ochosi | have you tried using elementary-xfce daily build? | 21:59 |
| bluesabre | last commit March 27? | 22:01 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:01 |
| bluesabre | already running the latest then | 22:02 |
| ochosi | wat? that is weird | 22:03 |
| bluesabre | http://i.imgur.com/fIxFSQL.png | 22:03 |
| ochosi | that's almost impossible | 22:04 |
| ochosi | i dropped all those fake symbolic icons for batteries | 22:05 |
| bluesabre | lol | 22:05 |
| bluesabre | I'll try with the guest user | 22:05 |
| ochosi | thanks | 22:06 |
| ochosi | i'll upgrade to 1.5 from staging myself now | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | no diff | 22:07 |
| ochosi | oh crap, no 15.04 yet? | 22:08 |
| ochosi | i guess we should copy that over or something | 22:08 |
| bluesabre | I'll backport it now | 22:08 |
| ochosi | ty | 22:08 |
| ochosi | hm, right, hadn't pushed the new settings icon yet | 22:10 |
| ochosi | guess i need to draw a few more sizes for that one though | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | :p | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | panel will build, the will copy indicator-plugin and xfpm to vivid -staging | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | *then | 22:12 |
| ochosi | k, thanks | 22:17 |
| ochosi | almost there with the remaining sizes of the settings icon | 22:18 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ok, pushed the icons. so one more thing should look right for you now ;) | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: cool, importing and then will build in the shimmerproject daily ppa | 22:31 |
| ochosi | nice | 22:45 |
| ochosi | gotta hit the sack about now though | 22:45 |
| ochosi | i'll test xfpm tomorrow when the backport is done | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | cool | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | have a good night ochosi | 22:47 |
| ochosi | oh also, if you find time to add those infamouse "three lines" to catfish for CSD support, i'd be more than excited to see that :) | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:47 |
| micahg | bluesabre: let me know if you need an official backport of something (easier to do with leaf packages) | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | micahg: ok, will do.. for now these are just ppa versions that need to be available in the vivid ppa | 22:48 |
| ochosi | good night all! | 22:50 |
| bluesabre | seeya ochosi | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: the new power manager icon is snazzy | 23:53 |
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