[01:32] <bluesabre> micahg: should adding packages like this to 'supported' add them to the packageset? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.wily/revision/983
[02:10] <Unit193> elfy: Basically, whatever you feel good with, and gives you the least work.  So that sounds good.
[02:10] <Unit193> That's a lot of backlog, btw. :P
[02:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Super+tab is entirely awesome, I use it so very often and 'tis why Openbox breaks my workflow.
[02:14] <Unit193> ochosi: I can poke Lubuntu for trayicon testing if you need, sure.
[02:40] <micahg> bluesabre: yes, I believe it should
[02:41] <Unit193> \o/
[06:15] <ochosi> Unit193: yes, that would be great. we already have a bugreport against the trayicon, but well, more testing won't hurt
[06:16] <ochosi> and morning all
[06:16] <elfy> morning :)
[06:17] <elfy> Unit193: downside being we'd be putting https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ on tracker 
[06:19] <ochosi> elfy: do you still have xfpm 1.5.0 installed on your testbox?
[06:19] <elfy> oh bah - no icon
[06:19] <elfy> no idea - still got whatever I built from git
[06:20] <ochosi> ok, that's good
[06:20] <Unit193> Oh?
[06:20] <ochosi> wait, you don't have an icon now?
[06:20] <elfy> nope
[06:20] <ochosi> awesome
[06:20] <elfy> ... 
[06:21] <ochosi> ok, i guess it's time to reopen that bugreport then i guess
[06:21] <elfy> no idea what's different between this restart and the dozen I did after building it yesterday 
[06:21] <ochosi> tbh i wasn't very convinced by the fix when i saw it
[06:21] <ochosi> it wasn't very logical, it just seems that sometimes upower doesn't return the icon name correctly or something
[06:22] <ochosi> but what i don't get is why the fallback isn't being displayed at all times
[06:22] <ochosi> anyway, hopefully we'll have 1.5.0 in -staging soon, then testing will be easier
[06:22] <elfy> \o/ 
[06:22]  * ochosi glances at Unit193 
[06:22] <elfy> ochosi: I commented on the bug 
[06:22] <ochosi> that was one reason for me to do the release yesterday
[06:23] <ochosi> thanks elfy!
[06:24] <elfy> I saaw talk of it going to staging - I'll watch for that 
[07:52] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, panel 4.12 is working in my ppa, nothing broken locally. DO you want to upload it or should it go in xubuntu-staging?
[10:26] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: xubuntu-staging please so elfy and the others can pick it up
[11:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool, didn't see any of the new packages in the packageset today, maybe micahg can run the update script for us :)
[13:18] <knome> GridCube, let's move the actual discussion here, actually..
[13:18] <knome> i would say deviantart is better at least now, since i don't think we want to maintain any submission thing
[13:20] <knome> but i still think that there needs to be another way to participate, so if not else, there needs to be somebody that can take submissions and post them to deviantart/our own queue
[13:20] <GridCube> we just need people to upload a link to an imgur image for example and they to mark that they are licensing, i think that should be less confusing to people who doesnt have a dA and needs to send a mail or something to me and all that
[13:20] <knome> managing the to-be-featured list in a wiki is a good idea
[13:20] <knome> yes, that works as well
[13:21] <knome> ideally, we should be looking at all of our social media for those, but that means people need to be proactive
[13:21] <knome> i mean people in the team
[13:21] <knome> and since that's not always possible, it's a bit meh
[13:22] <GridCube> a simple form that says URL:  and a disclaimer that says clearly "You are submitting an image and providing us with a CC3 share alike licence, and you are sure all images you provide in the screenshot are the same"
[13:22] <knome> the point is, it's not "simple"
[13:22] <knome> creating that is, sure
[13:23] <knome> getting that through the IS pipeline and to xubuntu.org and maintaining it not simple, it's a lot of maintaining overhead
[13:33] <lderan> bah
[13:33] <knome> wah?
[13:35] <lderan> to the lots of overhead
[13:35] <knome> yeah well
[13:35] <lderan> aye
[14:04] <micahg> bluesabre: I can get someone to run it
[14:15] <GridCube> knome: maybe hosting it somewhere else?
[14:15] <knome> GridCube, that is just as good as imgur/deviantart/name the service really, since it's not "official"
[14:22] <knome> but let's not get into the technical details... we just need the project happening
[14:28] <GridCube> alright
[14:28] <GridCube> ill see to restart the dA group and look around to see if i can find a more efficient way to get submissions
[14:29] <knome> thanks
[14:29] <knome> and as always, let me know if there's something you need help with
[14:30] <knome> i'll either draft an email to set the final pieces together, or add an item to the meeting agenda soonish
[14:30] <knome> (or both)
[14:30] <GridCube> ok
[14:39] <lderan> poke me GridCube if there is anything i can do, think i can remember my dA login lol
[14:55] <GridCube> :)
[14:55] <GridCube> will do lderan 
[17:28] <rafaellaguna> o/
[17:28] <knome> hello
[17:29] <rafaellaguna> hello brothers! :)
[17:29] <rafaellaguna> ochosi, are you here?
[17:29] <ochosi> sort of
[17:29] <rafaellaguna> :)
[17:30] <rafaellaguna> we're discussing about xfce4-notify daemon problems on lubuntu desktop
[17:30] <knome> ochosi, sort of are, or sort of here?
[17:30] <rafaellaguna> when will you be available for a chat?
[17:31] <knome> rafaellaguna, this isn't answering for ochosi, or this situation explicitly, but generally (at least on this channel): just type out your worries and we'll reply when we read it
[17:32] <rafaellaguna> okay, sorry, I thought he was "in charge"
[17:32] <rafaellaguna> this is the situation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1362555
[17:32] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1362555 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "notification dialog has horizonal bars" [Low,Triaged]
[17:32] <knome> rafaellaguna, well he's in charge for his own words... ;)
[17:32] <rafaellaguna> lol
[17:33] <knome> rafaellaguna, but as i said, we generally welcome all discussions here without needing to ask permission
[17:33] <rafaellaguna> good to know :)
[17:34] <rafaellaguna> I come from a channel that uses to be more "chaotic"
[17:34] <knome> mhm, the people here usually behave well
[17:34]  * knome hides the whip a bit better
[17:34] <elfy>  ...
[17:34] <rafaellaguna> :D
[17:35] <knome> except elfy of course, he's the worst troll ever
[17:35] <rafaellaguna> we're all trolls
[17:35] <rafaellaguna> that's why we have an alternative non-dev channel for Lubuntu things, but 85% of our chat is sex, music, etc
[17:36] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic :P
[17:36] <rafaellaguna> anyway, we have this bug for three releases now. it's affecting LXDE and MATE
[17:36] <brainwash_> and you did not forward it upstream yet?
[17:37] <rafaellaguna> but MATE uses its own notify daemon, so they don't really know about this. but Lubuntu uses xfce4-notifyd, and it's using the panel background for its own background. odd
[17:38] <rafaellaguna> any clue?
[17:38] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1362555/comments/6 <- that?
[17:38] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1362555 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "notification dialog has horizonal bars" [Low,Triaged]
[17:38] <rafaellaguna> nope. already tried that 
[17:39] <rafaellaguna> it fails with all themes, including those downloaded from gnome-look.org, for example
[17:40] <brainwash_> and bug 1337303 ?
[17:40] <ubottu> bug 1337303 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "xfce4-notifyd uses tiled image as background " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337303
[17:40] <rafaellaguna> the funny thing is there's no background specified in its gtrc, but it takes one
[17:41] <rafaellaguna> duplicated bug
[17:42] <brainwash_> ye :)
[17:42] <rafaellaguna> I think I must locate the coder, not the packager. or call an exorcist :D
[17:48] <ochosi> ok, now i'm around
[17:49] <ochosi> rafaellaguna: what's up?
[17:49] <rafaellaguna> O.O
[17:49] <ochosi> ah, i remember that bugreport
[17:49] <rafaellaguna> yes, but as it's not affecting XFCE or Xubuntu users at all, it's "a bit ignored" :(
[17:50] <ochosi> hehe
[17:50] <ochosi> without looking at your theme code, i'd say that's the problem
[17:50] <ochosi> where's your theme at?
[17:50] <rafaellaguna> I tried fixing it, using 3rd party themes, but nothing happened
[17:50] <ochosi> lubuntu-artwork?
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> I'm using default theme for Lubuntu. but it happens with Elementary, Greybird, Yosemite, and all that uses a dedicated image for the panel
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> it automatically sets as notification background too
[17:51] <ochosi> jeeez, you're using the unico engine for lubuntu-artwork?
[17:51] <ochosi> well then it's likely that the themes are at fault
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> yes :( for the moment
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> why? I'm removing it, anyway
[17:52] <rafaellaguna> remember that lubuntu-theme is just a "fork" of Radiance
[17:52] <ochosi> well i never knew, so no way i could remember that
[17:52] <ochosi> so yeah, in xubuntu your theme works as expected
[17:52] <rafaellaguna> I expect it to work nice :)
[17:53] <rafaellaguna> it might be an interaction between xfce4-notify and our daemon
[17:53] <rafaellaguna> *settings daemon
[17:53] <ochosi> ehm, first of all, why do you have your xfce4-notifyd style in two places? that can't be a good idea
[17:54] <rafaellaguna> no, I removed the one in /apps
[17:54] <rafaellaguna> the daemon will only look for its config in its folder
[17:54] <ochosi> well, i'm using 15.04 and that's what i get
[17:54] <rafaellaguna> yes, that modification isn't included in that release
[17:55] <ochosi> so how do i get the most recent version of your theme then?
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> it's in the PPA
[17:55] <ochosi> and the source?
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> ppa:lubuntu-artwork/daily
[17:55] <ochosi> i don't need a PPA, just the source (git, bzr) is fine
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> lp:lubuntu-artwork
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-art/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[17:57] <ochosi> so within xfce4-notifyd-settings you have selected Lubuntu-default as theme, right?
[17:57] <rafaellaguna> yes
[17:58] <rafaellaguna> so it uses the folder inside the theme, of course
[17:59] <ochosi> i'm pretty sure the problem is one of these lines: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-art/lubuntu-artwork/quantal/view/head:/src/usr/share/themes/Lubuntu-default/gtk-2.0/apps/lubuntu_lxpanel.rc#L93
[17:59] <ochosi> you're matching some widget within xfce4-notifyd with that "theme-panel" style and then you get the tiles
[17:59] <ochosi> you could comment line by line until you find the offender
[17:59] <rafaellaguna> widget "*PanelWidget*" ?
[18:00] <ochosi> no, all lines that set "style "theme-panel""
[18:00] <rafaellaguna> but it's supposed that the notifier only uses "XfceNotifyWindow" as widget definition
[18:00] <ochosi> no, it inherits other stuff from the theme that is currently in use as well
[18:01] <ochosi> the alternative to searching for the offender is to explicitely set a background in your notifyd-theme
[18:01] <ochosi> those are the two pointers i can give you
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> OMG, this looks very suspicious: "idget_class "*notif*"			style "theme-panel""
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> *widget_class
[18:01] <ochosi> hehe
[18:01] <ochosi> yeah
[18:01] <ochosi> it does
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> I feel stupid now :D
[18:01] <ochosi> no worries, happens to everyone ;)
[18:02] <ochosi> and all in all, it didn't take long for us to get here
[18:02] <rafaellaguna> ok, I'll try to comment those widgets and see what happens
[18:02] <rafaellaguna> yes, more eyes involved :)
[18:03] <ochosi> sure thing
[18:03] <ochosi> gotta take off to dinner now
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> ok, thanks a lot!
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> I'll try right now!
[18:03] <ochosi> good luck meanwhile, and as knome said, if you need help, just ping and i'll reply when i'm back
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> ochosi, I'll tell you if it works
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> ta mate!
[18:03] <ochosi> good good ;)
[18:04] <ochosi> (actually you dont have to cause i'm subscribed to your bugreport)
[18:04] <rafaellaguna> okay, but if it gets fixed you'll now here too :D
[18:05] <rafaellaguna> o/
[18:38] <brainwash_> Noskcaj: any idea what's broken here? bug 1399799
[18:38] <ubottu> bug 1399799 in garcon (Ubuntu) "missed some languages in xfce-settings.directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1399799
[20:06] <rafaellaguna> o/
[20:09] <knome> hello again
[20:09] <rafaellaguna> helo knome :)
[20:09] <rafaellaguna> I've had to get back to tell you: http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com.es/2015/05/notifications-fixed.html
[20:09] <rafaellaguna> :)
[20:09] <knome> good to hear
[20:11] <rafaellaguna> yes, it is :) a bit late, it didn't upload with the distro release, but nice anyway
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> so thanks to you all
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> and to ochosi :)
[20:14] <lderan> \o/
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> o/ lderan 
[20:21] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, Just some compile-time thing. We had this issue already, i forget what package with. It should just need a rebuild
[20:25] <brainwash_> Noskcaj: so, close the report and say that the issue is (or will be) fixed in later releases?
[20:25] <Noskcaj> It's fixed in later releases, if you have time this might be worth an SRU
[20:26] <Noskcaj> Just double-check it is fixed though
[20:26] <brainwash_> I won't touch anything SRU related
[20:26] <brainwash_> it's not even SRU worthy, or?
[20:27] <Noskcaj> not really worth, but it won't break anything so it would probably get through
[20:28] <brainwash_> I fear that there won't be anyone to verify the potential update =S
[20:30] <brainwash_> Noskcaj: want to update the bug status?
[20:33] <Noskcaj> done
[20:34] <brainwash_> thanks
[20:45] <Noskcaj> new panel, new xfburn in xubuntu-staging
[20:45] <Noskcaj> xfpm will be in a few minutes
[20:53] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, ochosi: Does xfpm still need libsystemd-login-dev for logind?
[20:54] <Noskcaj> It's a transitional package that provides a .pc file and depends on libsystemd-dev
[20:55] <brainwash_> should be libsystemd-dev
[20:55] <brainwash_> starting with 15.04
[20:56] <Unit193> Noskcaj: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-xfce-devel/2015-March/020066.html
[20:57] <ochosi> rafaellaguna: good to hear. one more thing/hint: you could make the title/heading of the notifications bold. that tends to look good
[20:58] <rafaellaguna> yes, they are. I just invoked from the command line to do the screenshot
[20:58] <rafaellaguna> but summary is bold in the theme
[20:59] <Noskcaj> Unit193, corsac already dropped that one, i'm just checking there's no hidden need for the .pc file
[20:59] <rafaellaguna> so THAAAANKS ochosi 
[20:59] <ochosi> ah ok :)
[20:59] <ochosi> np, yw
[21:00] <rafaellaguna> btw, I didn't know you were you
[21:00] <ochosi> well, what can i say. i am me.
[21:00] <rafaellaguna> I mean, I knew your work at shimmer project before yourself :D
[21:01] <ochosi> i think we got in touch a looong time ago, pretty much when lubuntu became lubuntu
[21:01] <rafaellaguna> yes
[21:01] <rafaellaguna> at the very beginning
[21:03] <ochosi> anyway, good to see you stick around
[21:03] <rafaellaguna> me too
[21:04] <rafaellaguna> I'm a fan :)
[21:04] <ochosi> i guess now's not the time to invest heavily into redoing your gtk theme, since you'll be moving to qt soonish
[21:04] <rafaellaguna> yes, we're working on it
[21:04] <ochosi> hehe, well, enjoy it as long as you can time-wise ;)
[21:04] <rafaellaguna> I will :D
[21:05] <rafaellaguna> and I'll keep you informed
[21:05] <rafaellaguna> nite, guys and girls!
[21:17] <Noskcaj> xfpm is now in staging
[21:27] <ochosi> nice, thanks Noskcaj, i'll give it a try
[21:27] <ochosi> anything you noticed during packaging/testing so far?
[21:28] <Noskcaj> panel with xfpm 1.4.4 had 2 battery indicators, but i'll install 1.5.0 now and see how well it works
[21:28] <Unit193> Noskcaj: You sure you didn't have indicator-power installed?
[21:28] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I probably do, just pointing out it appeared due to the panel merge
[21:29] <ochosi> Noskcaj: great, i'd be happy about any feedback there
[21:29] <Noskcaj> Unit193, not installed
[21:35] <elfy> ochosi: seem to have icon there now
[21:35] <elfy> and got the staging one 
[21:35] <ochosi> right
[21:35] <ochosi> well, since you said that you randomely don't get one, i'm still concerned tbh
[21:35] <elfy> yep
[21:36] <ochosi> also, someone else reported a missing trayicon today with 1.5.0
[21:36] <elfy> got a pointer to what logs might be the ones to look in perhaps? 
[21:37] <ochosi> there's not much magic happening there, basically we use the "icon-name" return value from upower, which you can also read via "upower -d" and provide a fallback in case upower doesn't provide a value
[21:38] <ochosi> i guess it's actually time to read gnome-power-manager's source and see whether they do anything special for their battery indicator
[21:38] <elfy> mmk
[21:40] <elfy> wandering now
[21:41] <ochosi> what you can do though, you can save the output of upower -d when the icon is there and compare it to when it isn't at some point
[21:41] <ochosi> that could be valuable
[21:41] <bluesabre> good evening folks
[21:43] <ochosi> oh hey bluesabre 
[21:43] <ochosi> hmm, anyone with any gnome3 experience here?
[21:43] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[21:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: ish, whats the question?
[21:43] <ochosi> frankly i have no clue what displays the battery icon in gnome shell
[21:43] <ochosi> maybe it's somewhere in gnome shell itself now
[21:44] <ochosi> doesn't seem to be in gnome-power-manager anymore, that one only draws graphs or stuff
[21:44] <bluesabre> oh, no idea for that
[21:44] <bluesabre> maybe ping satya?
[21:44] <bluesabre> since they're building a shell on top of gonme3
[21:44] <ochosi> not sure he'll know, this is really a question about the *inner* workings of gnome, not the styling/looks
[21:44] <ochosi> oh true
[21:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: you can try xfpm1.5 now btw ;)
[21:48] <ochosi> looking forward to your feedback, especially since you have some devices that might finally show up there
[21:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: panel icon is black, system tray icon is blue, settings icons are gnome
[21:54] <ochosi> ok, you need to use the latest elementary-xfce to resolve that
[21:54] <bluesabre> ah, gotcha
[21:55] <ochosi> also, i found what i was looking for. it's scary, so little code. i wonder why we have so much (ok ok, this is js vs. c): https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-shell/blob/master/js/ui/status/power.js
[21:56] <bluesabre> interestingly, upower no longer recognizes my mouse these days
[21:56] <ochosi> i guess it's a feature...
[21:56] <ochosi> it also thinks that my bt keyboard is a battery
[21:57] <bluesabre> very nice
[21:57] <bluesabre> my headphones are at work
[21:57] <ochosi> on the plus side, it actually displays the battery status of the keyboard now
[21:57] <ochosi> i wonder, i really wonder, why do they use "system-shutdown-symbolic" as a fallback icon when there is no battery
[21:58] <ochosi> actually i guess i'd have to use gnome-shell at some point, maybe it'd actually make more sense then..
[21:58] <bluesabre> or less
[21:58] <ochosi> yeah, who knows
[21:59] <ochosi> have you tried using elementary-xfce daily build?
[22:01] <bluesabre> last commit March 27?
[22:01] <ochosi> yup
[22:02] <bluesabre> already running the latest then
[22:03] <ochosi> wat? that is weird
[22:03] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/fIxFSQL.png
[22:04] <ochosi> that's almost impossible
[22:05] <ochosi> i dropped all those fake symbolic icons for batteries
[22:05] <bluesabre> lol
[22:05] <bluesabre> I'll try with the guest user
[22:06] <ochosi> thanks
[22:07] <ochosi> i'll upgrade to 1.5 from staging myself now
[22:07] <bluesabre> no diff
[22:08] <ochosi> oh crap, no 15.04 yet?
[22:08] <ochosi> i guess we should copy that over or something
[22:08] <bluesabre> I'll backport it now
[22:08] <ochosi> ty
[22:10] <ochosi> hm, right, hadn't pushed the new settings icon yet
[22:12] <ochosi> guess i need to draw a few more sizes for that one though
[22:12] <bluesabre> :p
[22:12] <bluesabre> panel will build, the will copy indicator-plugin and xfpm to vivid -staging
[22:12] <bluesabre> *then
[22:17] <ochosi> k, thanks
[22:18] <ochosi> almost there with the remaining sizes of the settings icon
[22:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, pushed the icons. so one more thing should look right for you now ;)
[22:31] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, importing and then will build in the shimmerproject daily ppa
[22:45] <ochosi> nice
[22:45] <ochosi> gotta hit the sack about now though
[22:46] <ochosi> i'll test xfpm tomorrow when the backport is done
[22:47] <bluesabre> cool
[22:47] <bluesabre> have a good night ochosi
[22:47] <ochosi> oh also, if you find time to add those infamouse "three lines" to catfish for CSD support, i'd be more than excited to see that :)
[22:47] <bluesabre> :)
[22:48] <micahg> bluesabre: let me know if you need an official backport of something (easier to do with leaf packages)
[22:48] <bluesabre> micahg: ok, will do.. for now these are just ppa versions that need to be available in the vivid ppa
[22:50] <ochosi> good night all!
[22:52] <bluesabre> seeya ochosi
[23:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: the new power manager icon is snazzy