=== aaron is now known as ahoneybun [00:29] Welp [00:29] https://twitter.com/Ubuntu_Borat [00:29] This is hillarious [00:41] reddit exploded [00:41] and what the heck? [00:41] xD [00:45] shadeslayer: any links? [00:45] too many [00:45] see /r/linux [00:45] * ahoneybun is on CL for desks [00:48] seems most comments are on the KC/Riddell side [00:54] damn Plasma really does not like it when you plug and unplug a monitor in [00:54] and out [01:43] How do I log a bug against a next-stage2 package? [01:43] Just ubuntu-bug ? [01:46] you don't , tell me so I can look [01:46] Oh, did you see the two screenshots I linked? [01:46] ^ [01:46] where? [01:47] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/dolphin_strange.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/dolphin_strange_after_adding_places_in_kate.png [01:47] Strange behavior. :D [01:47] hmm indeed [01:47] When places are closed, I click on the icon for the root of that place and I get that. [01:48] And it seems to increase as I add places. [01:48] Someone didn't comment out a loop or something somewhere :D [01:48] ok, so these are not ready for prime time, thanks, I will look into it [01:50] Well, that *one* package, I haven't tested everything that's come in. [01:52] Everything else seems to be working fine. Haven't had an issue with Kate yet and it was updated; kdenlive seems to be working as I would expect too. === alvesadrian is now known as adrian === aaron is now known as Guest26610 === Guest26610 is now known as ahoneybun [07:18] Riddell: i am reading your article :) you are aggressive hihihih [07:18] i guess i never see you aggressive in the channel since i use kubutnu so... it's 9 years i guess [07:23] mah .... [07:27] ScottK: [07:28] -:) [07:32] Starting Kompare from Kickoff: KDEInit could not execute „/usr/bin/kompare” [07:33] starting it form konsole, works [07:46] starting it from KRunner gives the same error [07:59] ovidiu-florin: yes i got that too [08:20] Riddell: I hope whatever happens re: drama doesn't put you off your efforts on kde/kubuntu [08:20] Good morning me lovelies [08:20] What would Kubuntu loose if you re-based on debian (vanilla) ? [08:20] * sick_rimmit waves and grins [08:21] In fact I think every single comment I have read from various sources backs Riddell: [08:25] we knew the community was behind Riddell [08:25] the trick is lowering the heat and creating peace and understanding again with the larger Ubuntu community [08:26] * sick_rimmit agrees with valorie [08:28] Also, Riddell needs and deserves our full support, which it's clear he has, and that is very important for Kubuntu Community [08:28] that would be better - its so different to the Canonical we knew 10 years ago... [08:28] well, change is the only constant [08:29] yearning for the good old days gets us nowhere [08:29] I was really surprised, Riddell has always been super good and helpful to me [08:29] but what would kubuntu loose if it did decide to re-base on debian (vanilla) ? [08:29] yes, we were gobsmacked [08:30] yossarianuk: we'd lose not just the ubuntu community, but also all the technical support and infrastructure we have here [08:30] it would be quite serious, and i for one do not want that [08:31] valorie: ah ok, yes that is fair enough.. [08:35] Goodmorning. [08:48] valorie: infrastructure is not much of an argument. infrastructure is 99% server resources (bandwith, actual cpu/mem power, space). that's all directly related to monies, so in away if we are not leaving because of the monies that makes it sound a lot like prostitution and/or canonical being our sugar daddy :P [08:49] you would get extra geek and 'moral' points for going with debian... [08:50] debian's base system has always seemed that bit more lightweight... [08:50] well, how would you propose that we raise enough to afford not just the servers etc. but also sysadmins to run it all? [08:51] *seems* wrong considering the base of a kubuntu system is the base of a kde system [08:51] seriously, the infra IS a big deal [08:51] and there are no bodies or souls being sold [08:51] we're part of ubuntu and have been since the beginning [08:51] the point is that secret firings are simply not the ubuntu way [08:51] valorie: debian seems to do fine, so does every distribution that isn't fedora/suse/ubuntu [08:52] I'm not saying we can't [08:52] I'm saying that we're part of ubuntu, and that infra has always been part of that [08:53] if it becomes impossible to be part of ubuntu, then we'll have to do something different [08:53] and I don't need any more geek or morality points [08:53] that I will agree with [08:54] I will also highlight the fact that it appears every year for the past 4 or 5 years we had to deal with utterly pointless drama of some sort and we didn't ask for any of it [08:54] Is there any way to / point in trying get the ubuntu governance changed? E.g. community-elected CC... [08:56] Gamayun: it's just come to my attention that the CC *is* community elected [08:56] I even found a ballot in my old email I never saw before..... [08:56] at least it wasn't thrown out in spam [08:57] so I guess people need to pay attention [09:01] valorie: one person has a permanent seat and nominates candidates the membership may choose from. at best that's a "moderated" election at worst its a confirmation of appointment [09:02] valorie: Well, according to the wiki it's appointed by Shuttleworth and then approved (rubberstamped?) by vote... If anything that seems the reverse of the sensible way to do it -- have the community elect members and leave Mark a veto (if he so wants it). [09:03] agreed [09:04] in fact Hong Kong had days and weeks of protest about just this for their government [09:04] but i have to sleep now; another early call tomorrow [09:05] ttyl [09:05] valorie: sensible [09:59] clivejo: so open debian/changelog in your favourite text editor and fix the name/email [10:01] done [10:01] do I have to re-debuild? [10:01] clivejo: debuild -nc will do a rebuild without clean so it doesn't compile it all again [10:01] clivejo: what version number did you use? [10:02] version number of what? [10:02] clivejo: for the package? first line in debian/changelog [10:02] digikam (4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium [10:03] clivejo: lovely, for your PPA upload change that to 4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 and UNRELEASED to wily [10:04] clivejo: if you look on the ec2 you can see I can dh_install --list-missing and it lists all the files which are not in any .install file and so don't end up in a .deb [10:04] I run debuild again, but still have email warnings [10:04] clivejo: that's fine the e-mail is picked up earlier in the build so a -nc won't clear it but it'll be fine when you build the source package [10:05] clivejo: digikam is a beast and contains lots of parts and one of those parts is libkipi which is also released separately so all the --list-missing files are just libkipi which we don't want to package with digikam now [10:05] clivejo: so I think it's all good to upload to your PPA? [10:06] ok so debuild -nc signed the files with my new key [10:07] how do I rerun debuild as a fresh/clean run? [10:08] clivejo: for a complete build just run debuild (or debuild -J4 where 4 is the number of cores on your computer CPU) [10:08] clivejo: but to make the source package just do debuild -S [10:09] unknown arguement -J [10:10] eh? [10:10] its lower case j [10:11] debuild -j4 [10:12] ah yes [10:14] does it overwrite existing files? [10:14] mmmm using multiple cores is a lot faster :) [10:15] debuild -j4 will clear out all the compiled stuff, compile it again then make new .deb files from that [10:15] and overwrite the .build log etc [10:16] so I only upload the source package to LP and it builds the binaries for the different arch? [10:16] right [10:17] clever [10:17] (that's different from debian where for some reason they upload the source with a .deb and the build server compiles it on other arches but that's problematic and I'm not sure why they do that) [10:17] what about actual binaries like media? [10:18] they'll just be part of the source orig.tar.gz like the code [10:19] I see [10:20] at 66% [10:21] clivejo: you can browse the cmake output near the start of the .build log file to see if there's anything suspicious in it [10:21] what am I looking for? [10:21] danger will robinson? [10:22] * sitter wiggles arms [10:22] clivejo: missing build dependencies mostly [10:23] clivejo: digikam is a beast so the cmake output is pretty complex [10:23] indeed, there is a lot of output [10:23] I feel like Im falling [10:24] you didn't pick an easy package :) [10:24] "Starting CMake configuration for: digiKam Software Collection" lists the stuff for the libraries it builds [10:24] it's saying it'll bulid some and not others [10:24] and I know that all the ones marked NO are released separately so we don't want to build them [10:24] "Congratulations! All external packages have been found" that's a good thing, means there's nothing missing [10:24] then it runs cmake all over again for kipi-plugins [10:25] and then a final time for digikam [10:25] and you can see the conclusions cmake comes to for both of those and query why it says No to some bits (in this case I'm mostly happy it's bits we don't want) [10:26] has anyone done digikam yet? [10:26] nope, it's all yours [10:26] is there a workflow? [10:27] and how does it get pushed from my PPA into main archive? [10:29] can debuild use GPU? [10:30] compilers won't use the GPU [10:31] I guess for code that wouldnt be useful! [10:31] to get it into the main archive I need to upload it or another member of kubuntu-dev [10:31] lets gets it into your PPA first [10:31] which means running debuild -S when you're happy to upload it [10:31] 89% [10:31] with that changed version number and distro in the top of the changelog [10:31] slowed down a bit [10:33] generating a lot of heat :/ [10:34] why else do you think linux is popular in finland? :) [10:35] 97% [10:39] oh dear [10:39] oh dear? [10:40] pacakges arent in that format :/ [10:40] which format? [10:40] digikam-doc_4.10.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb [10:41] shouldnt they be digikam-doc_4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1.deb ? [10:41] clivejo: yes, isn't that what gets made? [10:41] nope :( [10:42] no email errors [10:42] thats just weird [10:42] well let's see what happens when you make the source package, run debuild -S [10:42] oh *beep* *beep* beeping* *beep* [10:43] I think your microwave meal is ready :) [10:44] didnt save the changelog after editing [10:44] I need to use nano, cant get hang on emacs [10:46] kate works too [10:46] I must have forgot to save the file before I quit emacs [10:46] * clivejo bangs head off table [10:47] Ill get it right yet [10:47] can you explain the naming conventions? [10:48] why not kubuntu15.10 ? [10:48] is digikam not a kde app? [10:48] clivejo: because it's all part of the ubuntu archive so we use the same version number conventions for the same archive [10:49] "4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1" "4:" is an epoch which means the version number got screwed up sometime in the past and had to be reset [10:49] "4.10.0" is upstream version [10:49] "0" is debian version, this isn't in debian so start at 0 [10:49] "ubuntu1" is version in the ubuntu archive [10:49] "~ubuntu15.10" ~ is a special character meaning the following is less than the bit before and ~ubuntu15.10 means a backport build for ubuntu [10:50] ubuntu 15.10 [10:50] and ~ppa1 means version in your PPA, if you need a second upload bump that to ~ppa2 [10:50] it's a bit faffy I know [10:50] backport to 15.10? [10:51] shouldnt that be a forwardport ? [10:52] backports are updates to released versions, 15.04 is out with digikam 4.9.0-0ubuntu1 so the backport is 4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04 which means if the user upgrades to wily with 4.10.0-0ubuntu1 it's a larger version number [10:52] and we put it in PPA packages so people can still upgrade to backports fine [10:53] even if they won't exist for another 6 months until wily is released [10:53] ok, Im rebuilding [10:53] re: workflow, is there something you guys work on? [10:55] Der Gemeinschafts-Beirat von Ubuntu hat eine Strafmaßnahme gegen Jonathan Riddell, den Projektleiter von Kubuntu verhängt. Riddell wurde angewiesen, sofort für mindestens 12 Monate von seinen Ämtern zurückzutreten. [10:56] you're in the news in all different languages! [10:56] jaja [10:56] clivejo: what do you mean by workflow? [10:57] well how do you prevent stepping on each others toes, duplicating work [10:57] oh we have a revision control system [10:57] the debian/ packaging is all in debian git branches [10:57] and of course we say here "I'm working on foo" [10:58] and if we need to we make an etherpad to share notes on what to work on [10:58] much of the KDE stuff gets released as 100 tars at a time (frameworks, plasma and applications releases) so we script those to do them in bulk [10:59] and there's KCI to do continuous integration of upstream source with our packaging so hopefully we can fix packaging as it needs it rather than do lots at once [10:59] is plasma 5.3.1 for wily ready? [10:59] nope that needs someone to work on it :) [10:59] mmmmm there goes that deadline! [11:00] but maybe get your head around simple packaging then move onto stuff with git merges and somewhat unreliable mass build scripts [11:00] where is the source for plasma? [11:00] I put it here http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.3.1/ [11:01] and we have packaging scripts in bzr lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation [11:02] what work does it need then? [11:02] it needs the branches merged with debian first [11:03] then the script run to package it for a staging PPA and uploaded so we can get output like this to easily browse http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html [11:03] https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5 states you are the dude and the release date was yesterday! [11:03] it was a busy day yesterday :) [11:05] xD [11:05] clivejo: how's digikam doing? [11:06] you think being stuck off by Ubuntu is Force majeure?! [11:07] :S [11:07] 91% [11:09] what i don't like in kubuntu it's the default plasma in 15.04 , but who cares , i mean i have 14.04 , and the browser , firefox doen't work fine here like chromium , but again who cares , i can install it manually so for the rest kubuntu is good [11:09] i used it since 9 years [11:09] it slowes way down the nearer it gets to 100%, almost as bad as windows! [11:11] that'll be the linking stage, it takes a lot of CPU to link [11:11] anyway Riddell i support you for your issue in the cc [11:12] thanks [11:12] i can't remember you aggressive even when i critized you [11:12] i mean it was a normal talk :s at least for me [11:15] thats better [11:16] sitter: http://kci.pangea.pub/ down? [11:18] Riddell: that warning was - W: digikam source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.5 (current is 3.9.6) [11:19] clivejo: debian/control has a field Standards-Version which is just a declaration that the package complies with debian policy version https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [11:19] Riddell: yeah [11:19] cant do anything about it [11:20] the current version is 3.9.6 so it's asking you to check it's all still valid and update that, feel free to if you want [11:21] do I have to redebuild? [11:22] you'd have to rebuild to make the lintian error go away but it's a simple enough change you can just assume you've done it right [11:23] I think Ill just go ahead and upload [11:23] so debuild -S? [11:25] clivejo: yep :) === tsdgeos_ is now known as tsdgeos [11:33] Riddell: ok source packages signed and ready# [11:34] clivejo: awooga [11:34] in the directory above will be a source.change sfile [11:34] cat digikam...source.changes [11:34] to give it a final eye over and make sure the release and version numbers are right [11:35] * ahoneybun o/ \o clivejo [11:35] then dput ppa:clivejo digikam...source.changes [11:35] and it'll get sent to launchpad [11:36] looks ok [11:36] nothing jumping out at me === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [11:37] do I have to state to put it in my wily PPA? [11:39] oh yes [11:39] Riddell: Error: uploading files for distribution UNRELEASED to ppa not allowed. [11:40] right change UNRELEASED to wily in debian/changelog first line and run debuild -S again [11:40] and you're right it's dput ppa:clivejo/wily digikam...source.changes [11:41] clivejo: I'll shut down the ec2 if we're done with it [11:41] sure [11:42] is it a free one or paid for? [11:42] paid for from my credit card [11:43] I usually claim back from ubuntu community fund but I've no idea if I can do so now [11:43] in which case we have some kubuntu donations we can use [11:43] brb phone calls [11:59] Hi folks [12:02] Hi [12:04] Riddell: what option exactly do we need for such packaging http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ ? [12:07] Riddell: back [12:07] how long does it take to build on LP? [12:09] hi BluesKaj [12:11] hi clivejo [12:13] Riddell: what should I try next? [12:14] Riddell: I'm sorry for their attempt of defaming and demotivating you and the Kubuntu team. At least that's how I perceive it as I don't see any other meaningful purpose behind it, trying to remove you from the position of "Kubuntu Leader". I say to all the Kubuntu Team (including ScottK ) to become even more motivated about your project because it matters. If your project wasn't as important as it is then none of this would happen [12:14] . You keep alive the true Ubuntu spirit with a true vibrant community and a lot of users happy. [12:15] palasso: +1 [12:15] I'm just an ex Kubuntu user (now using arch with KDE) [12:16] I do have friends that use Kubuntu though (they're more "human beings" than me :D ) [12:21] palasso: +1 [12:27] anyone know how I can tell which KDE apps have been ported to 15.10? [12:28] 'ported to 15.10'? [12:28] packaged [12:28] the general consenus is the CC is being high handed and disengenuous with their CoC accusations about Jonathan Riddell, and I concur ..I have no vote . but +1 fits [12:29] clivejo: you mean ported to frameworks 5? [12:30] I dunno what I mean! [12:30] :) [12:30] clivejo, most have been, but some are still running on plsama 4 [12:30] for example - http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Weather+Widget?content=169572 [12:30] how do I tel if that has been packaged for 15.10 [12:32] clivejo, similar to 15.04, they''l be in the package manager [12:33] BluesKaj: 15.10 is in development, so needs the packages brought up-to-date [12:33] clivejo, I'm on 15.10 [12:33] BluesKaj: do you use digikam? [12:34] clivejo, no but it's listed in muon [12:34] BluesKaj: main workstation? [12:35] murthy, no this my media sercer pc, with 2 HDDs, one for testing the other for a stable OS [12:35] server [12:36] ah, ok [12:36] * BluesKaj is a home user [12:36] me too [12:39] yippeeee i386 build successful! [12:42] amd64 is too [12:42] * clivejo dances [12:44] clivejo, I find most of those weather apps annoying and clunky, got a screenshot ? [12:44] its a widget for plasma 5 [12:45] http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=169572&file1=169572-1.png&file2=169572-2.png&file3=&name=Weather+Widget [12:45] Ahh the wonderful packaging dance. It is a wonderful feeling, aion't it clivejo :) [12:45] claydoh_: it is indeed! === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [12:46] * claydoh needs to dance more, lol! [12:46] claydoh: do you know how I can get this pushed to the main wily archive? [12:47] so that I can see it using apt-get ? [12:47] i just have the weather network as one of my home pages, think I'll stick witht that [12:47] if it is your ppa, then just add that to your system, and it will see it ;) [12:48] BluesKaj: its just an example, Im looking to get some experience packaging new releases [12:48] the more widgets available for plasma 5 the better in my opinion [12:49] I wish I could find a kontact widget [12:49] clivejo, yes, of course [12:49] claydoh: I installed it already on my system [12:53] thanks palasso :) [12:54] clivejo: looks like digikam compile on your PPA so I'll give it a quick eye over then upload to ubuntu archive [12:55] Riddell: I know! Im so excited! [13:06] clivejo: fancy packaging kamoso? https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2015-May/008569.html [13:06] Riddell: clivejo: 15.04.1 apps have been packaged and in testing stage2 for some time know, I have been a bit distracted... [13:07] clivejo: we already have packaging in kubuntu ci so just bind the right repos and branches http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ [13:09] * clivejo stops dancing and sits down in disapointment [13:12] clivejo: disapointment at what? [13:12] that digikam has already been done [13:13] Riddell: is this the package I should be updating? [13:15] clivejo: digikam wasn't done, I'll take your packgae and upload to ubuntu [13:15] oh, I though sgclark said it was done [13:15] clivejo: kamoso needs packaging now (along with purpose library) and there's some packaging branches available for daily builds but they need put together with the release [13:16] clivejo: ah no those particualr two are not done [13:16] apologies [13:16] clivejo: Applications 15.04.1 is in a staging PPA and needs checked over, Digikam isn't release as part of KDE Applications [13:16] oh [13:21] clivejo: so aye let me know if you want to do kamoso [13:22] I want to try it [13:22] Ive downloaded the source [13:22] and the current [13:23] doing dch -i now [13:23] ETA for 5.3.1 in backports? :) [13:28] kfunk: assumming it was done already for wily I can do it today [13:29] Riddell: do you know if it was ^ ? [13:30] sgclark: nobody has done it yet [13:31] sgclark: but backports is separate from wily, there's already branches for backports packaging [13:31] so it can be done straight away using the kubuntu_vivid_backports branches [13:31] ok thanks [13:33] Riddell: 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED [13:33] dpkg-source: info: the patch has fuzz which is not allowed, or is malformed [13:33] clivejo: purpose or kamoso? [13:33] kamoso [13:34] clivejo: start with purpose [13:34] that's the library that kamoso uses so that should come first [13:34] then talk to apol (the upstream developer) to work out what patch is needed for frameworks 5.9 [13:35] throwing me in at the deep end! [13:35] it can't be worse than digikam :) [13:36] do you keep the library separate? [13:36] have a new and current for both? [13:36] sitter: did you merge debian experimental branches for frameworks? [13:36] clivejo: yep [13:36] they're two separate packages [13:37] since you did not [13:38] Riddell: how do I name an alpha using ubuntu version control? [13:38] kamoso-3.0-alpha.tar.xz → kamoso-3.0~alpha.orig.tar.xz [13:39] and then in changelog entry it's 3.0~alpha-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 [13:43] Riddell: * Component: universe [13:43] * State: Failed to build [13:43] * Duration: 11 minutes [13:43] digikam [13:43] meh === Darkwing_ is now known as Darkwing [13:43] probably my fault, I merged in a change that was in bzr which we forgot to look at [13:47] sitter: may I assume right that installing libphonon4qt5-dev should pull in libphonon4qt5experimental4? [13:47] (it doesn't) [13:47] debian thinks it's shouldn't [13:48] Morning/Afternoon [13:48] wasnt bzr phased out? [13:48] sitter: uh? [13:50] Riddell: is purpose new, I cant find an existing package for it [13:50] clivejo: new lib, yes [13:50] clivejo: yes it is, we have packaging in git http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ [13:50] Im drowning here! [13:51] kfunk: debian thinks it is wrong that the phononcmake config declares the relevant import target so they simply made the dev not pull in the experimental lib IIRC [13:51] got a tutorial on how to package from new? [13:54] clivejo: it's not from new, you should package from the branch in git [13:55] ooh kubotu's working [14:00] you should package from the branch in git - how do I do that?!? [14:06] clivejo: you know how to use git? [14:07] not to this extent [14:07] do I use git-import-dsc? [14:09] that sounds scary [14:09] git clone https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git [14:09] cd purpose [14:10] git checkout kubuntu_wily_archive [14:10] should get you a debian/ directory with all the packaging almost ready [14:10] where did you find that! [14:10] I been searching for that [14:10] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ I used control-f to find "purpose" which took me to http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git/ [14:10] why use such a common name! [14:11] and it has three clone links, the first one is for people without an account on the debian git server [14:11] also at http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git/ you can see it has three branches, "kubuntu_unstable" which is used by the daily builds in KCI, kubuntu_wily_archive which is intended for what we're doing now packaging a release for the archive [14:11] and "master" which is debian's branch [14:13] I need to do reading on this, its over my head now [14:13] clivejo: let us know when you work out what questions you have [14:15] Riddell: you made the orig package? [14:17] clivejo: nope get it from the download.kde.org url I gave you [14:17] and rename it to use the right form [14:17] sgclark, sitter: I'm packaging frameworks for staging [14:18] ok [14:18] in the debian changelog it was 5.9.0+git20150427-0ubuntu2 [14:18] saying you did it? [14:19] how can it be version 5.9 when the source tarball is 0.1alpha [14:22] clivejo: that's the version used by the daily build, we have to make up a version number for that and hope upstream uses the same version, looks like he didn't in this case [14:23] clivejo: but just ignore the current stuff in debian/changelog and make your own entry in it [14:23] Im so confused! [14:24] so this 5.9 is your number, not the maintainer? [14:25] what version do I use then? surely it should be what the upstream maintainer is using? [14:29]