[00:09] <s0n1c__666> espanol ?
[00:11] <mparillo> !es
[00:33] <s0n1c__666> question guys ?
[00:33] <s0n1c__666> and girls
[00:34] <s0n1c__666> runnning bio- linux ........ any good wifi woftware suggestions
[01:20] <s0n1c__666> anyone else bored
[01:49] <scottn_work> Does anyone know when KDE Applications 15.04.1 and Plasma 5.3.1 are going to make it to Kubuntu backports ppa?
[06:11] <s0n1c__666> anyone here
[06:21] <hateball> s0n1c__666: Do you have a question?
[06:23] <s0n1c__666> im on freenode
[06:23] <s0n1c__666> now curreently getting it answered
[06:23] <s0n1c__666> currently'
[07:43] <__simon__> After sudo apt-get install mysql-client-core-5.6 the package kubuntu-desktop and many others are REMOVED. After reboot, the KDE desktop ist not working anymore. Why?
[07:49] <soupnanodesukar> I would install apttitude (ncurses apt interface), and tell it to install kubuntu-desktop again. It will tell you straight away what is blocking it, if any.
[07:55] <amichair> When does 14.10 stop being supported?
[07:58] <soee> amichair: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[07:58] <amichair> soee: are kubuntu and ubuntu lifecycles in sync?
[08:00] <Riddell> Amichair yes they're the same thing
[08:01] <amichair> Riddell, soee: Thanks. I guess I can't postpone the upgrade to 15.04 for much longer... too bad.
[08:02] <__simon__> Is it safe to use apt-get and aptitude (not at the same time, but mixed)
[08:02] <Riddell> Amichair or install the lts
[08:03] <amichair> Riddell: I'm already on 14.10, and guessing downgrading is not a supported path...
[08:03] <Riddell> No that needs a reinstall
[08:07] <amichair> Riddell: Do you know if plasma 5 aims to eventually reach feature parity with plasma 4, or if it's not even a goal? If it's a matter of being patient, maybe I'll live with a partially functional desktop for now.
[08:09] <ds_> as a newbie, what would be the easiest way to execute a script with root rights everytime my pc loses internet connection? (wireless still connected, only no internet access). Would checking for it lets say every 5sec and executing a script if no internet need much power?
[08:10] <Riddell> Amichair of course it does. What's missing
[08:10] <Riddell> ?
[08:11] <amichair> Riddell: I already shared my rant here a couple weeks ago, an experience I'm not sure I want to repeat :-)
[08:11] <amichair> but after 2 hours of working on my upgraded laptop... a whole lot of stuff was missing
[08:12] <hateball> ds_: "much power" is relative
[08:12] <amichair> plus some crashes, too
[08:13] <amichair> but at least crashes I believe will be fixed when possible. Missing/removed features... who knows.
[08:15] <ds_> hateball: well lets say ... would a normal pc user notice it on a amd a10 cpu? I think he wouldnt right?
[08:16] <hateball> ds_: assuming your script is something like "ping this, if no reply, do this", no that would probably have a very tiny impact
[08:16] <yossarianuk> If Kubuntu were to re-base on debian (after the recent drama) what would it lose ?
[08:26] <amichair> Riddell: here's some of it: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/01/%23kubuntu.html#t07:14
[08:35] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[10:29] <kaliv> did not find a kali linux channel
[10:32] <hateball> !kali
[10:47] <kaliv> thank you,i find it.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:04]  * genii slides BluesKaj a large coffee and a box of TimBits
[12:06] <BluesKaj>  thanks for the coffee genii, I'll pass on the timbits thanks
[12:06]  * genii eats them instead
[12:06] <genii> Breakfast :)
[12:07] <hyper_ch> coffee? for me? YEY
[12:07]  * genii slides a fresh one down to hyper_ch
[12:07] <hyper_ch> *slurp*
[12:33] <__simon__> Is it possible to use both tools, aptitude and apt-get for package installation/removal without risk?
[12:36] <lordievader> __simon__: Should be possible, though there is a preference for apt-get.
[12:36] <lordievader> Even with Debian nowadays.
[12:38] <genii> __simon__: You can use whatever package manager front end you like, underneath it all works the same.
[12:38] <lordievader> !pm | __simon__
[12:47] <Deetster> u have never before attempted to use a scanner on kubuntu before. i have an all in one printer installed. but i have no earthy idea how to tell it to scan
[12:48] <Deetster> never mind. i found it
[12:48] <Deetster> huzzah
[13:52] <__dan__> hi there guys, hope you are all well, thought I'd just pop in to show a little support given current events, I've been a Kubuntu user for 6 - 7 years now, and I really appreciate the hard work you guys do #ISupportJonathan ;)
[13:54] <sithlord48> Thank you for all your hard work Riddell ! #ISupportJonathan !
[13:54] <Riddell> thanks __dan__ :)
[13:54] <Riddell> thanks sithlord48!
[13:56] <sithlord48> will you continue to work with kde?
[13:57] <Riddell> sithlord48: hope so :)
[13:57] <yossarianuk> Same here Riddell: !
[13:57] <__dan__> no, thank you my friend ... I only know of you what I read, and I don't want to kick off a debate about something you may not want to discuss (right guys?) but I know you're from the UK so I'm sure you will understand what I mean when I say "don't let the bastards grind you down" :) haha
[13:57] <yossarianuk> you have helped me on here various times.
[13:57] <hyper_ch> I seem to miss the point of whats going on right now here with the #ISupportJonathan thingy
[13:57] <yossarianuk> No one can stop you working on KDE surely...
[13:58] <sithlord48> never!
[13:58] <__dan__> maybe it's time for KDE to have it's own distro ;)
[13:58] <sithlord48> yes
[13:59] <hyper_ch> __dan__: https://xkcd.com/927/?cmpid=pscau
[14:00] <__dan__> hyper_ch: *click* ... haha true :)
[14:03] <hyper_ch> and once in a while a standard fades away..... e.g. Mandriva
[14:05] <__dan__> nothing lasts forever ... I guess my thought process was that KDE seems reasonably well funded and resourced, and its ethos seems more compatible with FOSS than Ubuntu's antics
[14:05] <__dan__> but I'm just a tourist here, what do I know :P
[14:06] <ap31r0n> hello can I ask about Dolphin? I'm on 15.04 with backport kde app ppa i recently upgraded dolphin and now at every dolphin's startup it freezed the windows eating cpu, but don't crash
[14:06] <hyper_ch> tried to remove the dolphinrc file?
[14:08] <__dan__> ap31r0n: you might try running dolphin from a konsole window, see if there are any errors that show up
[14:10] <ap31r0n> __dan__:  no because it not crash for an error but i kill it when he loop
[14:11] <__dan__> ap31r0n: try it - maybe it will show why it loops
[14:12] <__dan__> ap31r0n: I try on mine (working OK) and I get "KMimeTypeRepository" a lot, you can ignore those lines
[14:13] <__dan__> ap31r0n: that can sometimes show errors that don't show an error box for
[14:14] <__dan__> ap31r0n: if there are a lot, copy and paste here http://paste.kde.org/
[14:14] <ap31r0n> __dan__:  i have a single line "dolphin(24892) KSambaSharePrivate::findSmbConf: KSambaShare: Could not find smb.conf! " there isn't a debug mode for dolphin?
[14:15] <__dan__> ap31r0n: I get that also, that won't be the problem :(
[14:15] <__dan__> ap31r0n: I'm not sure about debug mode
[14:18] <ap31r0n> __dan__:  there is any way for looking for a logfile or the syscall that dolphin loops on?
[14:20] <__dan__> ap31r0n: I'm not an expert with this kind of thing, have you seen this? https://community.kde.org/Dolphin/FAQ/Freeze
[14:20] <dezine> This is a mild annoyance.. but it's kinda driving me nuts. Some of the icons in the KDE Launcher aren't showing up. When I try to edit them the icons are available for the app, and some catogories which are blank as well, but when I save it does nothing. Also some missing in the settings panel.
[14:21] <dezine> Kubuntu 15.04**
[14:24] <ap31r0n> __dan__: thanks anyway
[14:25] <__dan__> ap31r0n: sorry I have checked the bug database quickly but haven't seen anything relevant for KDE 5, try here maybe you can see something https://bugs.kde.org/
[14:26] <__dan__> ap31r0n: you could also try creating a fresh username and see if the problem continues (to see if the problem is with your user profile / settings)
[14:27] <__dan__> dezine: if you're using the dark icon set, I've seen the same problem, which are you using? (the standard breeze ones work fine for me)
[14:27] <dezine> It is standard, I tried changing it around but it doesn't seem to change one way or another interestingly.
[14:28] <dezine> aaah settings panel keeps crashing
[14:29] <__dan__> ugh ... have you tried turning it off and on again? :P
[14:29] <dezine> Computer was a paint to get Kubuntu installed, probably something messed up.
[14:29] <dezine> As a computer tech I solute and hate you for that comment lol
[14:29] <dezine> pain*
[14:30] <__dan__> ahaha ;)
[14:31] <dezine> blah linux why you hate me
[14:31] <dezine> Wish I didn't need windows, just wipe the whole thing and start over.
[14:32] <dezine> And my wife is incapable of using linux even though I don't understand why. It's not like Facebook is any different on here.
[14:32] <__dan__> if you're gonna blow it away, try this: kbuildsycoca5 --noincremental
[14:33] <__dan__> im just reading some stuff now but it's related to KDE4
[14:35] <dezine> Looks like with 5 incremental is assumed
[14:35] <__dan__> yeah I didn't have the balls to run it, my KDE5 machine is working :P
[14:36] <dezine> hmmm
[14:37] <__dan__> you could also try blowing away ~/.kde/cache-your-hostname/icon-cache.kcache
[14:37] <dezine> Menu "applications-kmenuedit.menu" not found. Saving  Emitting notifyDatabaseChanged ("apps")
[14:37] <__dan__> although im not sure how funny it would be if you tried that with an open session
[14:37] <dezine> lol
[14:37] <dezine> who knows
[14:38] <__dan__> well i'm fairly sure it would be less destructive than dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda
[14:38] <__dan__> if that's your alternative
[14:39] <dezine> did both
[14:39] <dezine> guess I'll reboot
[14:39] <__dan__> man im gonna feel so bad if he never comes back
[14:39] <__dan__> eheh
[14:41] <hyper_ch> ok, now I see what's going on with #ISupportJonathan
[14:44] <__dan__> yeah I found out via reddit, read the stuff on ScottK blog, shocking really :/
[14:46] <__dan__> don't wanna harp on about it, but one way or another i'm sure kubuntu will survive, if not in name then in spirit and code :)
[14:46] <__dan__> dezine wow man you're back
[14:46] <dezine> Alright, pretty much fixed.
[14:46] <__dan__> i was starting to feel bad
[14:46] <__dan__> oh wicked ;)
[14:47] <dezine> Some are missing, but I think they don't have icons, because I was able to change them. The settings panel is still missing a couple but that's minor.
[14:47] <__dan__> see i told you turn it off and on again, damn users
[14:47] <dezine> -_-
[14:47] <__dan__> ahaha joking mate ;)
[14:47] <dezine> yeah yeah
[14:48] <dezine> Haven't used KDE or Kubuntu in awhile. Sure is purdy.
[14:48] <__dan__> I've not noticed any oddities with the default Breeze icon set, but then I'm running the PPA backports
[14:48] <__dan__> gorgeous innit :) still a few rough edges but worth it
[14:48] <dezine> Yeah 15 seems to have some issues, could be the computer though.
[14:49] <__dan__> yeah possibly, the laptop I'm using it on had nouveau driver problems with 14.04 and 15.04, pretty much had to do the install blind
[14:49] <dezine> First I couldn't get any linux to install, GPT remnents somehow. Then it still wouldn't work, had to do a netinstall. Then the graphics was borked, got it fixed installed the nvidia drivers.
[14:49] <__dan__> yeah missing window decorations and windows that never paint?
[14:50] <dezine> None of that
[14:50] <dezine> Just blurry as hell unless I turned down the resolution
[14:50] <__dan__> ah I had that with a fairly old quadro card, installed it twice blind before I found that nomodeset kernel boot parameter fixed it
[14:51] <dezine> But, when I had regular Ubuntu had to fix that manually, the driver was found with no problem on here.
[14:51] <dezine> Next is to see how games handle
[14:52] <dezine> One of the best parts is that the graphics are real crisp, mac like, in a good way.
[14:52] <__dan__> ah I only do games on windows at the moment (damn you ArmA 3) I tried Papers Please and that worked fine
[14:52] <dezine> The interface and such
[14:52] <dezine> Well I don't play anything like that, so far the games have been available on steam for me.
[14:53] <__dan__> I prefer it over Windows and Mac tbh, although it doesn't feel as instantly responsive as the Mac
[14:53] <dezine> Lately it's been Cities when I have the time, maybe some Prison Architect. I am usually wasting time on reddit when I'm not doing work.
[14:53] <yossarianuk> I have a huge issue with Plasma5 (5.2 + 5.3) - any GTK2 apps are missing buttons/checkboxes - you cannot click in them unless you know they exist in the first place
[14:53] <yossarianuk> Thats using orion and oxygen-gtk theme
[14:54] <yossarianuk> and on 3 different machines
[14:54] <__dan__> Cities looks fantastic, great dev too from what I hear, I have Prison Architect on Steam but to be honest my KDE 5 machine is work only, haven't even installed Steam
[14:55] <dezine> All my work is Windows unfortunately
[14:55] <__dan__> my condolences :(
[14:55] <dezine> Fixing Office over and over, or a printer, or Internet Explorer which is usually fixed with compatibility mode...
[14:56] <dezine> And the good old restart
[14:56] <dezine> Which they always lie about. Fool I can see the stats with LogMeIn
[14:57] <__dan__> yossarianuk: is there an example application I can try on this machine here? where the problem shows easily?
[14:57] <__dan__> dezine: haha ya man, give em a chkdsk c: /f then they will be off your back for an extra few minutes ;)
[15:06] <dezine> right
[15:07] <dezine> I live in the states but work overnight, so I support Australia, UK, China, mostly overseas.
[15:12] <__dan__> I once managed to get a Chinese install of Windows XP connected to a wireless network, beyond that I don't even know how to say "have you tried turning it off and on again?" in Chinese
[15:13] <xennex81> I just read most of Skitterman's post on Riddell
[15:13] <xennex81> I must say I am quite shocked at what is being done...
[15:13] <Riddell> your dedicated to the cause is admirable, that's a long post :)
[15:13] <xennex81> i read half of the emails I think
[15:14] <xennex81> thanks you :)
[15:14] <xennex81> I am blushing :P
[15:14] <xennex81> haha
[15:14] <xennex81> thank you*
[15:14] <__dan__> eheh ya, it's quite a lot, I read it all, where is my Steam achievement?
[15:14] <xennex81> I can recognise myself in your wording in some of the initial emails (there were only two I believe)
[15:14] <xennex81> I would probably feel the same, or word myself the same
[15:15] <xennex81> it seems some people are having trouble with an ego position being assailed, to be honest
[15:15] <__dan__> it's like one of your suppliers sending you an email saying "YOU'RE FIRED!" like "dude I don't even work for you, GTFO"
[15:15] <xennex81> the person who feels like crying... I can understand that, ... but....
[15:16] <xennex81> she (I think it is a she) is probably unable to work with you, but it can hardly called your fault or your fault alone
[15:16] <xennex81> even though you may have been rash
[15:16] <yossarianuk> __dan__: yes
[15:16] <xennex81> well, what am I saying...
[15:16] <yossarianuk> __dan__: good examples - Virt-manager
[15:16] <yossarianuk> nvidia-settings
[15:17] <yossarianuk> I can upload example images it that helps ?
[15:17] <__dan__> yossarianuk: have you tried setting the GTK theme back to default? nvidia-settings works fine for me
[15:19] <xennex81> they are probably trying to protect that member or several members by staying this in private
[15:19] <xennex81> which is admirable in a sense
[15:19] <__dan__> and my personal opinion on the whole scandal is that Theo De Raadt should be brought in to mediate, live on youtube
[15:19] <yossarianuk> __dan__:  just to confirm this occur by default
[15:19] <xennex81> I have to go, would love to speak more on this later.
[15:19] <xennex81> bye
[15:19] <yossarianuk> __dan__:  it occurs on 2 different desktops (one has nvidia one intel gpu and my intel gpu laptop)
[15:19] <__dan__> cya xennex81
[15:20] <yossarianuk> __dan__:  changed gtk2 setting -> default
[15:20] <__dan__> yossarianuk: wow so you literally install the OS, run the updates, and you get this behavior on multiple machines?
[15:20] <yossarianuk> virt-manager missing buttons
[15:20] <yossarianuk> __dan__:  yes
[15:21] <yossarianuk> i.e default install - I am currently running Plasma 5.3 - same thing occured on 5.2 though
[15:21] <yossarianuk> ill upload an image as an example
[15:21] <yossarianuk> Firefox is fine though (is that gtk3 ?)
[15:21] <__dan__> yossarianuk: will be interesting to see that, I have had no problems but only have 15.04 on one machine
[15:25] <dezine> Later, thanks again __dan__
[15:30] <__dan__> yossarianuk: maybe have a look at ~/.config/gtk* stuff
[15:31] <__dan__> yossarianuk: possibly something you've installed on all the machines has changed a setting or something? I'm at a loss to explain but if you could show me a screenshot of nvidia-settings i can compare that to mine
[15:34] <yossarianuk> __dan__: going to have to wait until I get back home tonight now - shall I just come back in here and give the image url links ?
[15:38] <__dan__> yossarianuk: i'm not a regular or anything here but it's worth a shot, not sure i can help anyway tbh i'm no expert in these matters
[15:38] <__dan__> yossarianuk: good luck tho :)
[15:39] <yossarianuk> cheers - I was going to raise a bug report a few weeks agi - then discovered the bug-report tool was in fact broken..
[15:41] <__dan__> oh, teh irony :/
[15:41] <yossarianuk> thats fixed now though !
[15:42] <yossarianuk> I reported a bug (via the website..)
[15:44] <__dan__> cool hopefully it will get some attention, it's still relatively early days for KDE 5 so a certain amount of oddities are to be expected :)
[15:47] <__dan__> I'm hoping 16.04 will be all kinds of awesomeness, 15.04 still gives me that beta feeling
[15:48] <__dan__> but the only way 16.04 will happen is if enough people like me and you kick the tyres now :)
[15:48] <hyper_ch> you mean 15.10?
[15:48] <__dan__> well, that too, but 16.04 is LTS
[15:48] <yossarianuk> i think he meant 16.04 - i.e stable lts release
[15:49] <yossarianuk> personally apart from the fact many gtk apps are unusable by default 15.04 is really nice.
[15:49] <hyper_ch> still 16 open bug reports from me :)
[15:50] <__dan__> wow haha don't worry guys we can all sit back, hyper_ch has this testing thing covered :P
[15:51] <linuxhiker> You guys should just join spi... http://www.itworld.com/article/2926838/linux/mark-shuttleworth-ubuntu-community-council-ask-kubuntu-developer-to-step-down-as-leader.html
[15:51] <__dan__> besides we might all be running KDEbian this time next year, let's see how this drama unfolds :P
[15:51] <linuxhiker> get out of the whole political mess and leave Canonical behind
[15:51] <__dan__> lol hi there linuxhiker
[15:51] <linuxhiker> howdy
[15:51] <linuxhiker> and I am serious
[15:52] <__dan__> nah you can't be, you don't have a megaphone
[15:52] <linuxhiker> Arch and Debian are already SPI projects, Kubuntu would fit right in
[15:52] <linuxhiker> not to mention PostgreSQL (international) and LibreOffice (U.S.)
[15:53] <__dan__> no we've already decided, Theo De Raadt is going to fight Mark Shuttleworth to the death
[15:53] <__dan__> check youtube for the live stream
[15:54] <linuxhiker> The problem with that is that Mark will just create a clone and have the clone fight.
[15:55] <__dan__> hmmmm that explains the IPO
[15:55] <__dan__> that kind of thing doesnt come cheap
[15:56] <linuxhiker> Seriously thought, SPI is completely transparent, we even release monthly treasurer reports... See since it is a non-profit, it is FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD not for the Mark GOOD
[15:56] <__dan__> ok I know
[15:56] <__dan__> let's break Hans Reiser out of prison
[15:57] <__dan__> together with the powers of Hans Reiser and Theo De Raadt they will be able to take down an entire army of clone Shuttleworths
[15:58] <__dan__> sorry dude I'm just trying to make light of things, I don't even know who the SPI are and I sure as hell don't speak for kubuntu or anyone else for that matter
[15:59] <linuxhiker> __dan__: no worries
[15:59] <linuxhiker> SPI... Software in the Public Interest
[15:59] <linuxhiker> spi-inc.org
[15:59] <linuxhiker> old school cool, non-profit support for free/open source software
[16:02] <__dan__> it's a complex situation, i'm not sure i even have a coherent view, like you i showed up today to show some support
[16:04] <linuxhiker> I find that most "complex" situations are just simple problems that people want to make hard
[16:04] <linuxhiker> Mint has already shown you don't need Canonical to have a great distribution. I don't see why Kubuntu couldn't do the same
[16:05] <__dan__> im pretty sure if i was in that position, and i got an email like that one from Shuttleworth, i would formulate my response with a photo editor, a jpeg of my ass, and some game art from duke nukem
[16:06] <linuxhiker> I haven't dug that deep into it but my guess is this: If Canonical wants to go public, it can't have rogue (read independent) thought from outside but associated communities
[16:06] <__dan__> to move away from the ubuntu ecosystem would be massive, even assuming they dont throw a bunch of lawyers at them
[16:06] <linuxhiker> there isn't a bunch of lawyers to send, that is the great thing. They may have to change their name but that's it.
[16:07] <__dan__> well that's part of what seems to have led up to this, Canonical are saying you can't use Ubuntu binaries and call it something else
[16:07] <linuxhiker> but yes, migrating infrastructure would be tough, no question BUT if Canonical were to kick them for wanting to be independent, there would be a mass exodus from landscape
[16:07] <__dan__> and rebasing Kubuntu on any other distro I imagine would be a massive effort
[16:08] <linuxhiker> you don't have to rebase it (look at Mint)
[16:08] <__dan__> Mint has a license agreement with Canonical
[16:08] <linuxhiker> oh that's interesting
[16:08] <linuxhiker> hrm
[16:08] <linuxhiker> well... there is always Debian :P
[16:09] <__dan__> little too early to be saying stuff like that
[16:10] <__dan__> not sure what I will do if it all goes tits up
[16:14] <__dan__> wonder if kdebian.org is available :P
[16:16]  * __dan__ finds what appears to be KDE 5 for debian sid
[16:37] <__dan__> linuxhiker: I'm curious, when you referred to the SPI, you said "we"
[16:38] <genii> __dan__: It's taken
[16:38] <__dan__> linuxhiker: are you affiliated with them?
[16:38] <linuxhiker> Oh... 1st. I am speaking as me, not as a representative of SPI. 2nd. I am a Director for SPI
[16:38] <__dan__> genii: yeah I know mate, but it's ok, kdebian.horse is available
[16:39] <__dan__> linuxhiker: wow, well thank you for what you do :)
[16:39] <linuxhiker> :)
[16:40] <__dan__> I'll be interested to see what (if anything) KDE have to say on the matter - I've always liked their philosophy
[16:41] <__dan__> but for right now I'm hoping it won't go all systemd and things will continue with the minimum of pseudo-political strife
[16:45] <__dan__> no disrespect but if we have to ditch "linux for human beings" i'd take linux for horses any day over a machine that sets on fire every time you run apt-get upgrade (sid)
[16:47] <__dan__> i've seen toy story i know what im talking about
[17:16] <[Relic]> is using special windows settings 'force' supposed to completely stop something from loading after reboot?
[17:18] <samfreenode> What did the Kubuntu leader do?
[17:20] <xennex81> I think there needs to be a bit of calming down in that entire area of Riddell and the UCC.
[17:21] <xennex81> Apparently, as I would, he has been a bit rough and direct with them.
[17:21] <xennex81> direct can come across as blunt.
[17:21] <genii> samfreenode: As well, these are topics more for the offtopic channels and not the support channels
[17:21] <xennex81> and not everyone can handle that
[17:21] <samfreenode> WHY WILL NOBODY TELL ME WHAT HE DID OMG!!!!!!!#
[17:24] <[Relic]> anyone know why using 'force' stops everything I set up (konsole, nvidia xserver, okular, etc.) from loading on reboot?
[17:24] <genii> samfreenode: Read https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/information-exchange-between-the-ubuntu-community-council-and-the-kubuntu-council/    and   https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/i-think-i-may-be-done/  and  https://plus.google.com/+JosPoortvliet/posts/2yGYMzzEaVz to be more educated on the subject, and please either discuss it in #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic but not the support channels of #ubuntu and #kubuntu as you have
[17:24] <genii> been doing.
[20:17] <Etriaph> Just looking at how to reverse it now [Relic]
[20:22] <Etriaph> My kwinrulesrc is really spartan, but I have a window rule in place, I just have to find the location of that setting, give me a sec..
[20:23] <Etriaph> OK, so for 15.04 it's ~/.config/kwinrulesrc
[20:24] <Etriaph> You'll just have to find the matching rule and remove it.
[20:25] <Etriaph> After you get some windows back on your desktop, we'll talk about what you were *trying* to do when you did this.  :D
[20:26] <[Relic]> got them back by removing force, they just don't seem to stick when I reboot
[20:27] <[Relic]> gonna reboot and see if they stick
[20:31] <[Relic]> not really good, special applications settings (nvidia x-server) worked fine, only 1 konsole showed up, and the 2 okulars opened but were on desktop 1.  Guess something in special windows setting isn't cooperating on shut down/ reboot
[20:40] <[Relic]> was hoping it was something simple
[20:56] <Etriaph> Well, what you need to do is be more specifc with the rules.
[20:56] <Etriaph> If you make 3 settings for Konsole, you have to do something to differentiate them.
[20:57] <[Relic]> done that
[20:58] <Etriaph> How?
[20:58] <Etriaph> Different title?
[20:58] <[Relic]> window title
[20:58] <[Relic]> exact match
[20:58] <Etriaph> Do you load them with a different profile?
[20:59] <[Relic]> they show seperately in the windows rules in configure kde
[21:00] <[Relic]> right click the icon on the upper left of a window -> more actions -> window manager settings ->  last option on the bottom window rules
[21:01] <Etriaph> But how are you launching Konsole?
[21:01] <Etriaph> My Konsole always starts at the home directory, so the title is always the same.
[21:03] <[Relic]> no idea, it worked on 14.10 when I rebooted they were always there and when I upgraded to 15.04 it didn't keep the sessions or setting the same so I am trying to figureit out, since I have no idea how booting launches all apps
[21:04] <[Relic]> nothing in the settings to set working directory etc from window settings
[21:08] <Etriaph> I personally only use Konsole when I have a process running in Yakuake (keygen, rails server, whatever it happens to be)
[21:09] <[Relic]> but the special window settings aren't working for okular either
[21:09] <Etriaph> I think the title on the window when it launches is going to be what decides its positioning if you have rules set up for it (and set to include the title)
[21:09] <Etriaph> OK, so first let's do Okular.
[21:09] <[Relic]> both of those with defined window rules still start on desktop 1 instead of the proper ones
[21:10] <Etriaph> Are you using window settings or application settings?
[21:10] <[Relic]> if I use special application settings things seem to work normally, but that ends up for an application so not seeing any way to get the same app on different desktops with those settings
[21:11] <Etriaph> It likely depends on the priority order of the execution of the rules.
[21:11] <Etriaph> You can move the rules up and down
[21:12] <Etriaph> I would put application settings (size) on the top and then window settings to match title and application after them.
[21:12] <Etriaph> Size and position of the window is all I use app settings for (unless it's an app that has only one window instance, like kmail)
[21:13] <Etriaph> With 8 desktops, 5 of them are used for windows of a specific application, so if I launch Krita on 1 it appears on 7
[21:16] <[Relic]> also doesn't explain why setting to 'force' makes no app start
[21:16] <[Relic]> gonna reboot again and see if this holds
[21:19] <[Relic]> no luck
[21:21] <[Relic]> just wish I knew if it was a conflict from upgrading or not, if that was a problem then I would simply do a full install instead
[21:22] <Etriaph> https://userbase.kde.org/KWin_Rules_Window_Matching
[21:23] <Etriaph> As far as I can tell KWin is working properly on my 15.04 install.  I'm using the Plasma 5.3 PPA and next-stage2 as well
[21:23] <Gachr2> Hi guys, I can't handle the Kubuntu IRC client since it only has Freenode in its memory, I can't connect to any of the EFNet servers.
[21:24] <Etriaph> But if you can't get it to match, file a bug with bugs.kde.org and on launchpad.
[21:24] <Etriaph> Gachr2: It's not preconfigured for it, no.  You can add EFNet.
[21:28] <[Relic]> think I will try adding plasma 5.3 and see what happens
[21:37] <Gachr2> Etriaph I know, but I can't make it connect, it's either giving me an unknown error or it's connecting forever.
[21:38] <Etriaph> irc.efnet.net
[21:38] <Etriaph> I can connect to it.
[21:39] <Gachr2> Yeah same thing:
[21:39] <Gachr2> [23:38] [Info] Looking for server irc.efnet.org (port 6697)...
[21:39] <Gachr2> [23:38] [Info] Server found, connecting...
[21:40] <Gachr2> I managed to do it, it prompted me about some certificate stuff.
[23:21] <est31> ok next bug with 15.04: when I open a program with okular, okular freezes
[23:21] <est31> e.g. I click a text file, it opens kate and okular freezes
[23:21] <est31> needing me to do ctrl alt esc on it
[23:22] <est31> err dolphin ofc
[23:23] <est31> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339094
[23:23] <est31> dammit
[23:23] <est31> why can't you merge bugfixes
[23:24] <est31> and if you come with "its a stable release", then why do you release this buggy software to users?
[23:24] <est31> it becomes more and more clear to me that this is a kubuntu problem not a KDE problem
[23:25] <est31> KDE people are eager to fix bugs, and so on, but kubuntu just manages to publish the most shitty version of KDE
[23:25] <est31> man, I've used kubuntu so long, I dont want to leave
[23:26] <acz32> if stability is most important to you: debian 8 + kde
[23:46] <s0n1c_666> cant connect to freenode