[02:01] <mapps> heylo
[02:03] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[02:05] <mapps> wanted to try pidora but couldnt get it to boot=
[02:05] <mapps> =[
[02:07] <zmoylan-pi> i have a pi2 now but haven't had a chance to boot it yet
[02:07] <zmoylan-pi> still pootling along on pi b
[02:08] <mapps> yea i got a pi 2 now :D
[02:08] <mapps> 6x faster they say7
[02:30] <ali1234> Azelphur: start and stop the service
[06:19] <diddledan> morning
[06:22] <mapps> morn
[07:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:50] <brobostigon> anyone use fb with bitlbee who can confirm, fb has stopped working, please.
[07:51] <diddledan> brobostigon: fb's xmpp interface is defunct
[07:51] <brobostigon> diddledan: i know, that doesnt stop me from using it.
[07:51] <brobostigon> or trying to.
[07:51] <diddledan> https://developers.facebook.com/docs/chat
[07:51] <diddledan> specifically: "After April 30th, 2015 apps will no longer be able to access the service or API. This includes both access to chat.facebook.com and the xmpp_login permission."
[07:51] <brobostigon> i know, but it has been working the last few weeks, and has stopped working at some point overnight.
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> they probably turned off the servers/access to them?
[07:54] <brobostigon> thats what i was guessing as well, but i just needed confirmation form someone else.
[07:54] <diddledan> it's very-close to 4-weeks since april 30th so I'm guessing they might have given a 4week grace period
[07:55] <diddledan> the point remains their documentation says the servers are turned-off on april 30th so expecting it to work seems a bit.. nieve?
[07:56] <brobostigon> i was expecting it to shutdown, i was just using it for my convienence as long as i could.
[08:10] <ali1234> brobostigon: still appears to be working with pidgin
[08:11] <brobostigon> ali1234: ok, let me try pidgin.
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Senior Health & Fitness Day! 😃
[08:35] <popey> alright grandad
[08:36] <JamesTait> I feel like it this morning. 😝
[08:41] <davmor2> popey: you can talk you are older than me or JamesTait :P admittedly I am the Grandad
[08:46] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:46] <popey> blimey, you're early
[08:47] <bigcalm> intrbiz: the switch only goes to L2 and I can see no routing settings. Bum. At least we can have vlans and separate company from rented desks
[08:47] <bigcalm> popey: I don't know what's wrong with me. I might have to go back into hiding
[08:47] <intrbiz> bigcalm: I expected that would be the case
[10:12] <MooDoo> hello all
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:26] <bigcalm> intrbiz: I just found a wee Netgear ProSafe VPN Firewall FVS114. Will be able to do IPsec in a box without messing with strongwall
[10:27] <intrbiz> bigcalm: fair enough
[10:29] <bigcalm> Hope I can still do openvpn from a server within the network
[10:30] <intrbiz> sure, buy you'll need something to cope with all the routing
[10:30] <intrbiz> but*
[10:35] <bigcalm> I'm starting to wonder if the free switch was worth having
[10:37] <intrbiz> haha
[10:39] <bigcalm> While we can do vlans on the switch, I don't see a way of saying what subnets each vlan is to use
[10:41] <diplo> Anyone recommend a place to get laptop replacement screens ?
[10:42] <diplo> Found a few, just wondering if anyone has used anywhere in particular :)
[10:42] <bigcalm> Ah, I think I get it. I can create 2 vlans and assign ports to them. Plug the switch into the firewall twice - assigning those ports to the specific vlans as well. Then on the firewall brick, assign subnets to the ports
[10:42] <bigcalm> I should have ordered 2 colours of 50cm patch leads :|
[10:43] <bigcalm> Small bits of electrical tape will have to do
[10:44] <bigcalm> Handy there being a Maplin shop in town
[10:44] <bigcalm> diplo: each time I've had a bad screen, it's been cheaper to buy a new laptop
[10:44] <diplo> £40 for replacement
[10:45] <diplo> Also not my laptop, and they don't have much cash, single mum :)
[10:45] <diplo> And I certainly can't afford one :D
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> plug in to external screen?
[10:46] <diplo> Not portable then, shes doing a OU course and using kids laptop currently
[11:19] <bigcalm> intrbiz: we've been given permission to use a jump host for SSH. Saves me maintaining the network set-up here
[11:25] <bigcalm> That said, I'm still going to set-up the 2 vlans and subnets
[11:25] <bigcalm> I should learn this stuff
[11:32] <intrbiz> bigcalm: I'll explain this evening (assuming your still coming along).  But VLANs are at layer 2 and add a tag on the front of an ethernet frame, eseentially 2 vlans gives you 2 switches
[12:00] <bigcalm> intrbiz: righto
[12:01] <bigcalm> intrbiz: our code server is having fun with its memory usage
[12:01] <bigcalm> intrbiz: and yes,  I'll be there tonight
[12:01] <bigcalm> moreati: have Google approached you yet?
[12:01] <moreati> no
[12:02] <bigcalm> Aww
[12:05] <moreati> I'm half expecting Copresence - the API that powers Tone - to be properly announced/revealed at Google IO tomorrow
[12:06] <bigcalm> I assume that there have been others trying to work it out as well as you
[12:06] <moreati> If they have, we haven't crossed paths
[12:58] <ujjain> equity = basically everything you can invest in?
[12:58] <ujjain> or bonds not equity?
[13:28] <ujjain> Vanguard FTSE Developed World ex-UK < and how can FTSE be ex-UK? isn't the FTSE the UK index?
[13:54] <popey> bigcalm: it's the beer train! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxky0Kjh_Z0
[13:55] <bigcalm>  Hehe
[13:55] <bigcalm> I think they've had one too many
[13:59] <popey> hah
[14:06] <diddledan> I'm getting fancy with go
[14:08] <diddledan> we have a client who has insisted on a specific provider for their sites. this provider insists that we only access the dev and live environments (via access controls they implemented) using sftp. sftp is inherently unscriptable. so I'm writing my own client using go
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> is that not reinventing the wheel a little?  has noone done that already?
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: sftp as in ye olde ftp + some SSL, or sftp as in ssh's ftp-a-like
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: because the ssh one is very scriptable from Perl :)
[14:17] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: sftp as in ftp over ssh
[14:17] <diplo> If you like perl :)
[14:17] <diddledan> and perl >.<
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> paramiko can probably do it in python too if you must
[14:17] <diddledan> I don't like perl
[14:17] <diddledan> what's wrong with go?
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> http://paramiko-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api/sftp.html
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it came out after the projects I'm working on started.. and a rewrite is too expensive ;)
[14:18] <diplo> I've used it with python
[14:18] <diddledan> aah
[14:18] <diddledan> well yeah I'm doing it go so nyer!
[14:18] <diddledan> :-p
[14:19] <diplo> Never touched it myself, keep meaning to take a look
[14:19] <diddledan> this is my first attempt at writing anything meaningful in go
[14:19] <diddledan> it's quite nice
[15:45] <Azelphur> question folks, is it easy to make a shell account that can only run a whitelist of commands?
[15:47] <intrbiz> Azelphur: usually seems to be don't by writing a custom shell, eg: git shell, etc
[15:48] <Azelphur> you mean done?
[15:48] <intrbiz> sorry, yes
[15:48] <intrbiz> s/don't/done/
[15:48] <Azelphur> yea, that's what I was thinking, guess I'll do that
[15:48] <intrbiz> Azelphur: what are you trying to do?
[15:49] <Azelphur> intrbiz: I'm using attic for backups, it'd be nice to have an account on the backup machine that is only allowed to create and prune backups. Nothing else.
[15:50] <intrbiz> Azelphur: right, simple perl script should do the job then
[15:51] <Azelphur> yea, makes sense :)
[15:51] <intrbiz> Azelphur: you can also define specific commands which can be executed with SSH keys, and then ban a full shell
[15:52] <Azelphur> yea
[16:13] <bigcalm> Is there a nice tool that will generate relationship diagrams for an existing MySQL database?
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> postgresql has postgresql-autodoc
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> maybe mysql-autodoc exists?
[16:41] <intrbiz> bigcalm: can't mysql workbench do that?
[16:42] <bigcalm> Yes, and managed it.
[16:42] <bigcalm> Strangely not what our PM wanted though
[16:56] <mapps> night bus time
[16:56] <mapps> bet theres some right charaters on this
[16:56] <daftykins> where are you today, mapps ?
[16:57] <mapps> UK
[16:57] <mapps> back to gib friday
[16:57] <daftykins> :>
[16:57] <mapps> very cold here sucks
[16:57] <daftykins> haha
[16:57] <daftykins> i saw 15 deg C on my phone today for here
[16:57] <daftykins> boiling now ;)
[16:58] <mapps> how warm is it normally there
[16:58] <mapps> here its like ugh this sucks walked to gym in shorts and got cold;[
[16:58] <daftykins> that's about right, maybe hit 20ish a few times in a couple of months if we're 'lucky'
[16:58] <daftykins> haha
[16:58] <daftykins> i'm ok in shorts and t-shirt from 12 deg
[16:58] <mapps> shorts and tsirt eeryday in gib
[16:59] <daftykins> thing is i get overheated just riding somewhere in sunshine @ 15 deg
[17:00] <daftykins> most people think about temp as being car drivers i think, no real energy expended
[17:00] <mapps> heh
[17:00] <daftykins> picking some new TV setup hardware for the boss' Spain place atm
[17:02] <mapps> where in spain
[17:10] <daftykins> must-have for work - http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aMroNYx_460s.jpg
[17:10] <daftykins> mapps: some Marina east of Malaga
[20:01] <diddledan> ebenink
[20:01] <daftykins> hallo
[21:02] <diddledan> mygo sftp client is ALIVE!
[21:02] <diddledan> my go**
[21:02] <diddledan> this rocks!
[21:03] <diddledan> it's currently experimentally downloading and tar.gzipping a copy of a site
[21:04] <daftykins> :o
[21:06] <diddledan> my code occupies, including whitespace, about 250 lines - obviously the libraries I'm calling-on take a bit more than that tho
[21:06] <diddledan> I still need to do the upload bit
[21:06] <diddledan> I'm just testing that the download/backup feature works first before I start nuking files on a remote server :-p
[21:07] <daftykins> i'm watching manvsgame on twitch!
[21:12] <diddledan> hmmm, seems I'm scanning the directory tree twice for every folder?
[21:12] <diddledan> oddness
[21:12] <diddledan> needs some massaging methinks
[21:14] <daftykins> yus!
[21:14] <daftykins> what is the scan operation, a list on traversing in?
[21:16] <diddledan> yeah
[21:17] <diddledan> ls, cd, ls
[21:22] <diddledan> ok, it seems my code was needlessly recursing
[21:22] <daftykins> do you enjoy the metals, sir?
[21:22] <diddledan> the metals as in aluminum and iron? :-p
[21:23] <daftykins> ah yes you raise a fair point, i suppose you're not in my head to know what i'm harping on about
[21:23] <daftykins> the musical variety!
[21:23] <daftykins> shauno would probably warn me if you were in my head, though
[21:23] <diddledan> hehe
[21:23] <diddledan> yeah I don't mind a bitta metals
[21:24] <daftykins> https://soundcloud.com/carpenter_brut/the-good-old-call
[21:24]  * diddledan clicks
[21:24] <daftykins> give that a try
[21:24] <diddledan> remind me to turn down the volume before clicking random links :-p
[21:24] <daftykins> hey diddledan check your volume!
[23:38] <mapps> hmm
[23:38] <mapps> whys it so slow copyin files over usb to y nexus
[23:49] <daftykins> tablet?
[23:49] <daftykins> MTP is pretty pants
[23:49] <mapps> yea
[23:50] <mapps> but like real slow 20mins for 3gig
[23:50] <daftykins> mmhmm
[23:50] <daftykins> i wonder how quick the boss' USB 3 phone is
[23:50] <daftykins> ugly connector on those though
[23:51] <daftykins> USB 3 micro B
[23:51] <mapps> toshiba satelite 8gig ram win8
[23:51] <mapps> amd a4 6210
[23:51] <mapps> maybe i need new drivers for the usb
[23:51] <daftykins> ewwMD
[23:52] <daftykins> nope
[23:52] <mapps> lol
[23:52] <mapps> i like AMB so shush:D
[23:52] <mapps> so what then
[23:52] <mapps> AMD
[23:52] <daftykins> is it internal storage only or a microSD via MTP?
[23:52] <mapps> if not drivers what can i check
[23:52] <mapps> its on the nexu7s
[23:52] <daftykins> nothing, you just have to accept it's pants
[23:52] <mapps> transferring from laptop -> nexus
[23:53] <mapps> so this is normal? O_o
[23:55] <daftykins> yip