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barrydkMore almal04:38
Kiloshi barrydk  mazal  inetpro  and others05:36
mazalMore oom05:37
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Kiloshere is something for the python peeps https://bugs.python.org/issue2327506:13
inetprogood mornings everyone06:27
Kilosmorning inetpro  06:27
mciverzaMorning Kilos, inetpro06:30
Kiloshi mciverza  nice to see you here so early06:30
inetprohi Kilos 06:30
inetprooh and hi mciverza06:30
mciverzaThanks Kilos, I'm running around trying to sort out a domain registration where the DNS servers and original mail account by which the domain was registered no longer exist.06:31
Kilosoh my, how can things just no longer exist06:31
Kilosnon payment?06:31
mciverzanope. I registered a .nom.za domain when I worked for a company.... and I used my company email address to register it.  That email address no longer exists, and neither do the DNS servers used in the registration.06:33
Kilosoh my06:34
mciverzalolz.06:34
Kilosgood luck06:34
mciverzathanks, going to lurk.06:35
Kilosok06:35
mciverzaKilos, regarding last night's "at" discussion.06:36
Kilosoh yes06:36
mciverzaat 00:10 screen -d 'apt-get upgrade -y'06:36
Kiloswow cool ty06:37
mciverzawould allow you to reconnect and see what apt is doing if you needed to.06:37
mciverzacoz I often have connectivity issues, I usually do apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade06:37
mciverzaso that it downloads all the packages, and if that is successful, it runs the actual upgrade.06:37
inetpromciverza: oh wow, I like your solution06:38
Kilosgreat ty, i sat up and upgraded as usual06:38
ThatGraemeGuynobody's heard up unattended-upgrades then i guess?06:38
ThatGraemeGuy*"heard of" :-o06:38
inetprohaha, hi ThatGraemeGuy06:39
ThatGraemeGuy'lo :)06:39
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  i upgrade only when i have night surfer data, so sometimes weeks with no upgrading06:40
inetproThatGraemeGuy: I guess it's about time that we just trust update to not break anything :-)06:40
ThatGraemeGuyoh right06:40
ThatGraemeGuyinetpro: we run unattended-upgrades, that ought to speak to its stability somewhat06:41
ThatGraemeGuythousands of servers that update most things seamlessly every day06:41
ThatGraemeGuythere's a few things that don't auto-update06:41
inetprothere's a few things that require intervention06:42
ThatGraemeGuybut for a desktop, no reason to bother with package filtering06:42
inetproyes, desktop should be fine in most cases06:42
Kilosinetpro  zerlgi is back06:43
inetproKilos: ?06:43
Kilosjust trhese nick changes get me confussed06:43
Kilosoh my have i got it wrong06:43
Kilosisnt mciverza  zerlgi06:44
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andrewlsdkilos, yes. that is correct06:46
Kilossee06:46
Kilosinetpro  ^^06:46
Kilossjoe maak my kop draai06:46
mazal" I usually do apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade " Musn't the first one be update instead of upgrade ? Or am I missing something ?06:51
Kiloswould be nice if one could setup synaptic to upgrade at 0.0506:53
mazalMy biggest problem is with loadshedding I don't want to leave my equipment on06:54
Kilosafter 10pm its normally safe06:54
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: you can make a cron job that runs the apt commands you need for upgrading06:57
ThatGraemeGuytrying to schedule GUI tools..... let me not comment rather :-p06:57
Kiloslol i looked at that ThatGraemeGuy  , i think using at is easier for me06:57
* ThatGraemeGuy sighs incredibly deeply06:58
inetproThatGraemeGuy: bite your tongue :-) 06:58
Kiloslol06:58
mazalcron is easier for me that at06:59
magespawngood morning06:59
Kiloshi magespawn  06:59
mazalthan*06:59
mazalMorning magespawn06:59
inetproKilos: maybe you just need to do a little more homework07:00
inetproand please don't even mention synaptic07:00
Kilosnono man too much, i have got a hackergotchi now i gotta put that on the blog, and planet somehow07:01
mazalI now did that sudo apt-get -dy update && sudo apt-get upgrade07:01
mazalBut it stood still on the "yes" prompt07:02
mazalDo I short a -y somewhere ?07:02
Kilossynaptic is an efficient tool for beginners and can fix broken packages and do all upgrades07:02
inetpromazal: man apt-get07:02
Kilosai!07:03
andrewlsdapt-get -dy **upgrade**07:03
inetproand man bash07:03
mazalMust both be upgrade ?07:03
andrewlsd(not meaning to shout, just emphasize)07:03
mazalI don't understand why both must be upgrade ? Why musn't an update run first ?07:04
superflymazal: you've got it the wrong way round07:06
superflymazal: the -y should be on upgrade, not update07:06
Kilosmorning superfly  07:07
andrewlsdyeah, the point of the "apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade"07:07
andrewlsdwas to download the packages (which is what -dy will do) and only then run the actual upgrade07:07
andrewlsdas opposed to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade07:07
andrewlsdwhich will refresh the package list and then run the upgrade.07:08
mazalSo there should actually be 3 commands07:08
andrewlsdmazal, yes07:08
andrewlsdeither way, probably "unattended-upgrade" is more useful.07:08
mazalSo I would put for example "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -dy upgrade && sudo apt-get upgrade"07:10
mazalHow do one get past the prompt for sudo password if you were to put unattended upgrades in a cron script ?07:16
TinuvaMacadd it to the root cron and not to the user cron, then sudo is not needed inside the script07:20
TinuvaMacalternative, is to edit the sudo config and configue the commands in the script to not require password when sudo is used on those specific commands07:21
TinuvaMacbut root cron is easier07:21
magespawnare there any security risks with running cron scripts as root?07:22
TinuvaMaconly if you dont know what the script does07:23
TinuvaMacor if the script reads data from files that any user can edit07:23
mazalk thanx07:27
andrewlsd+1 TinuvaMac 07:29
KilosMaaz  andrewlsd  ++07:31
KilosMaaz  TinuvaMac  ++07:31
magespawnthanks for the lesson07:31
Kilosthey clever these peeps hey magespawn  07:32
Kilosyou think im on this channel for the coffee07:32
pieter2627morning all07:37
Kiloshi pieter2627  07:37
Kiloshaha got me a gotchi and you can see i got my winter wool on face07:40
Kiloshttp://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com07:40
mazalNice oom ;)07:42
Kilossien jy daai prent07:45
Kilosdis wat hulle n hackergotchi noem 07:45
Kilosdunno why07:45
Kilosai! http://is.gd/B9DpnR07:48
Kiloshi MaNI  08:02
MaNIhi08:03
magespawnKilos: maybe put links to various ubuntu sites etc with that blog post08:27
georgelappieshi all08:40
georgelappieshi Kilos08:40
Kiloshi georgelappies  08:43
georgelappieshow are you doing today?08:43
Kilosok ty and you?08:43
georgelappiesgood thanks08:43
nlsthznalo09:50
magespawno?09:50
magespawno/09:50
Kiloshi nlsthzn  hows you lad?09:50
nlsthznuncle Kilos ... send me your article / blog link pls09:50
Kilosthe new one nlsthzn  ?09:50
nlsthznfine thanks uncle Kilos ... going to get info 09:50
nlsthznsorry09:50
nlsthznpremature enter09:50
KilosMaaz  kilos.newblog09:50
nlsthznlol09:50
Maazhttp://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com09:50
nlsthznthanks09:51
Kilosok09:51
nlsthznwant to reblog it and makek it hit planet.ubuntu.com09:51
Kilosaha ty for that09:51
nlsthznhope all well here?09:51
Kilosyeah we all going strong as always09:51
nlsthznk cool09:51
nlsthznmy blog is falling apart due to neglect10:00
nlsthzncan't even figure out how to insert an image anymore either >.<10:00
Kiloslol ya thats what happens10:00
Kilosi started replacing my old one but didnt get very far either10:01
nlsthzncrap10:03
Kiloslol what did you break10:04
nlsthznsubmitted but forget to tag as planet ubuntu10:04
Kiloshaha10:04
nlsthznnow edited but not sure it will show up10:04
nlsthznwill have to see10:04
Kiloshi gremble  10:04
grembleGood afternoon10:11
grembleHow is everyone doing?10:11
Kilosok ty and you?10:11
grembleWell thank you10:11
Kilosyou forgot to do something i think10:11
Kiloswas mention in last nights meeting10:12
Kiloswhy do peeps tweet stuff that makes one hungry10:25
Kiloshttp://is.gd/K6KYjC10:25
grembleI forgot to do something?10:33
grembleI don't think so. I did offer my help with SFD that was perhaps mentioned last night10:33
grembleWhere can I find the minutes?10:34
grembleOh tuksLUG10:37
Kilosi just remembered someone said you were going to do something10:38
grembleYes, looked at the minutes now10:38
nlsthznphew major rukkus between the ubuntu comunity council and the kubuntu council10:38
nlsthznthis is going to get ugly10:38
grembleHow so nlsthzn ?10:38
nlsthznwell it is already actually10:38
Kilosvery ugly10:38
grembleShare the gossip10:39
nlsthznplanet.ubuntu.com10:39
nlsthznyou will see the posts10:39
nlsthznhey it already has its own hashtag10:39
nlsthzn#wiunning10:39
nlsthzn#winning10:39
Kilosits been going for weeks in the lists10:39
nlsthzn:p10:39
Kilosshame man10:40
nlsthznI am still reading and personally I am getting pretty pissed off about the whole thing10:40
nlsthznthis will be the second council I believe is dysfunctinal10:40
Kiloslots to read to get up to scratch with the whole episode10:41
nlsthznyup10:41
nlsthznbut going on the initial actions... not good10:41
nlsthznthere are ways of doing things10:42
Kilossad though10:42
Kiloshopefully they sort their differences10:43
Kilosi love kubuntu10:43
nlsthznhopefully10:43
Kilosmaybe peeps are just a bit hot tempered10:44
nlsthznnope10:45
nlsthznenough bull and people react10:46
nlsthznDalekSec, i c u10:49
drazoroGreetings10:52
Kiloshi drazoro  10:52
magespawnhi drazoro 10:52
drazoroHi Kilos, Hi magespawn 10:54
grembleThat is a very demonstrative reason why I don't want to get involved in anything10:55
gremblehaha10:55
Kiloshaha10:56
Kiloswe dont fight here man10:56
grembleTrixar or something who is here already hates me :P10:56
grembleSo no thank you10:56
Kiloshe isnt here often10:57
magespawngremble: the key is to remove the ego from the equation, if you can do that and others can too, then you are sorted10:57
gremble^ if you can show me a group of people that can do that, I will have found the people I want to be the next world leaders10:57
Kilosinstead of peeps hashing about problems its way better to hash about solutions10:58
Kilosuh oh kenya server crashed again10:59
magespawngremble: true10:59
magespawnonly those who do not want to be the leaders should get the job, bit like the president of the galaxy11:00
gremble^11:00
grembleI was just about to say that11:01
magespawnhah11:01
grembleWell, the president of the galaxy bit was all yours :P11:01
Kiloshaha11:01
magespawnany recommendations for a linux rdp client?11:01
magespawngremble unfortunately not, hitchhikers guide to the galaxy11:04
Kilosi go eat11:05
KilosMaaz  watch them11:05
Maazoh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!11:05
KilosMaaz  botsnack11:05
MaazYAY someone cares about me too!11:05
gremblemagespawn: Exclusive books has a Barnes n Noble leatherbound hardcover version of the compilation of books D:11:06
grembleBeing poor saddens me11:06
gremblexD11:06
magespawni think is saddens most people11:06
nlsthznI would rather be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy11:08
grembleThis is probably true. Most people want all kinds of expensive things like clothes, shoes, food, etc. I just want books11:08
grembleContrary to popular belief though, it is not more comfortanle to cry in a lamborgini than an uno11:09
grembleStudy for Differential Equations or write a scheme interpreter.... choices11:10
nlsthznstudy11:11
grembleYeeees. I have been. I am on qualitative analysis. So most of it is done11:11
grembleBut I should probably go11:11
grembleCheers11:11
nlsthzncheck http://planet.ubuntu.com/  now uncle kilos, post is up11:17
Kiloswill look nlsthzn  11:25
Kiloshaha you must make a hackergotchi11:26
nlsthznI thought my avatar was OK :p11:45
Kilosya man mine was also but knowing many peeps gets on inundated with advice11:46
Kilosi had to ask tara do do it for me11:46
Kilosand the cheeky thing tells me , there i even smoothed out you crazy einstean hair11:47
Kiloseinstein11:47
nlsthzn:)11:48
mazallol11:48
nlsthznif I start faffing around now I won't stop for the next few days and get nothing else done11:49
Kilosll11:49
Kiloslol11:49
Kiloshi CuttingEdge  11:54
CuttingEdgeKilos: greetings11:54
ThatGraemeGuylo12:25
arnaudmezHi Kilos12:31
arnaudmezHi superfly12:31
arnaudmezHi inetpro12:31
Kiloshi arnaudmez  12:31
arnaudmezI broken nothing dear12:32
arnaudmez:D12:32
Kiloshahaha12:32
Kilosgood stuff12:32
arnaudmezAsking what's good on this channel12:32
Kiloseverything12:32
arnaudmezWho is the RedHat guy around ?12:33
Kilosoh Squirm  12:33
ThatGraemeGuy/join #redhat12:33
Kiloshe has been quiet today, must be busy12:33
arnaudmezWhosh too mch geek there12:33
arnaudmezIn fact I like to share Kubuntu with Kilos but I'm more general Linux if you see ThatGraemeGuy12:35
Kiloslol12:35
arnaudmezwhen i say general Linux this exclude the tar.gz things12:35
ThatGraemeGuyeh?12:36
mazalBye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless12:41
Kilosyou too mazal  12:41
Kilosty12:42
arnaudmezbye mazal12:42
Kilosarnaudmez  /j #ubuntu-africa12:44
Kilosthere are some redhat guys there i think12:44
SquirmHi12:45
Kiloshi Squirm  12:45
Kilosarnaudmez  ask quick12:45
SquirmHeh12:46
Kiloslol12:46
arnaudmezKilos: quick what ???12:46
Kilosfor redhat knowlege man12:46
Kiloswhat is the problem12:47
arnaudmezKilos: Okay I will jump there and ask !12:48
arnaudmez:D Kilos12:48
Kiloslol squirm isnt there man12:48
Kilosai!12:48
arnaudmezCool12:48
Kilosjust ask here what you need help with12:49
arnaudmezSquirm: are you the man who does RPM here ?12:49
SquirmHeh - Haven't used that in a while now12:49
SquirmWhat's your problem though?12:49
arnaudmezokay , I've migrated to the new Fed22 (as i ritually do wit my laptop) and was just looking for advises from a Pro12:51
* Squirm shrugs12:54
SquirmCan't help you there12:54
SquirmOther than to say I didn't like Fedora12:54
Squirmbbl12:55
arnaudmezOkay12:58
arnaudmezA question, why it's almost impossible to install two package using differents terminal under linux12:59
Kilosonly one package manager can run at a time12:59
magespawnyou might be able to && the commands though13:00
arnaudmezthe *** is locked...  thing is somewhat problematic13:00
magespawni think they have to lock or else you could end up with all sorts of problems13:02
Kilosinetpro  you must talk to kmf13:03
arnaudmezmagespawn: so impossible to install two packages at the same time when you are a newbie and learning Lnx Terminal13:04
inetproKilos: I've started chatting with him already13:05
inetproalso created https://trello.com/c/q2nokuRs13:05
Kilosgood man, 13:05
inetproKilos: kmf needs volunteers to help him 13:06
Kilosyou should have told grembe this morning13:06
Kilosill try catch him next time he pops in13:06
Kilospieter2627  you keen?13:06
inetproKilos: I'm at work... no time to chat now, sorry13:07
Kilosnp13:07
magespawnarnaudmez: like i say i think you can && the commands eg sudo apt-get install 'packageone' && apt-get install 'packagetwo'13:07
magespawnfrom one terminal13:07
pieter2627???13:07
Kilosnono yum thing mage13:07
magespawnswop apt-get for yum on fedora13:08
Kilospieter2627  kmf needs volunteers to help him  with getting sfd done13:08
pieter2627magespawn: or 'apt-get install packageone packagetwo...'13:08
arnaudmezmagespawn: that good to read13:08
arnaudmezmagespawn: it's no more yum but dnf 13:09
arnaudmezwhich i like, it's more flexible and faster13:09
magespawnarnaudmez: does that also apply to CentOS 6?13:09
pieter2627Kilos: if he voices what he needs then i can see what i can do13:10
arnaudmezI don't think so, but you can actuall download dnf and run both together13:10
* pieter2627 wonders what 'keen' was suppose to be13:10
Kilosok tonight ill see where we can link you guys up13:11
arnaudmezYou will see more dnf on CentOS 7 and RHEL 713:11
magespawnpieter2627: ?13:11
Kiloshe used to be online at floss.pro or something13:11
magespawnhe has a twitter and g+ account13:11
pieter2627magespawn: yes13:11
Kiloskeen=gewilleg13:11
pieter2627oh13:12
Kilosi just remember there were guys said they wanted to help but dont remember who13:12
magespawnno worries, was in response to your question13:12
Kilosso grabbing13:12
* pieter2627 did not recognize it as he has never seen it spelt before13:13
Kilosoh my13:13
KilosMaaz  define keen13:13
MaazKilos: Keen \Keen\, v. t. To sharpen; to make cold. [R.] [1913 Webster]  Cold winter keens the brightening flood. --Thomson. [1913 Webster], Keen \Keen\ (k[=e]n), a. [Compar. {Keener} (k[=e]n"[~e]r); superl. {Keenest}.] [OE. kene sharp, bold, AS. c[=e]ne bold; akin to D. koen, OHG. kuoni, G. k["u]hn, OSw. kyn, k["o]n, Icel. k[ae]nn, for k[oe]nn wise; perh. akin to13:13
MaazE. ken, can to be able. [root]45.] 1. Sharp; having a fine edge or point; as, a keen razo…13:13
Kilosai!13:13
pieter2627maaz  google define keen13:13
Maazpieter2627: "Keen | Define Keen at Dictionary.com" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/keen :: "Keen | Definition of keen by Merriam-Webster" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/keen :: "keen - definition of keen by The Free Dictionary" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/keen :: "keen - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com"13:13
Maazhttp://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/keen :: "Urban Dictionary: keen" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=keen…13:13
Kiloshave i got the wrong meaning for keen13:14
Kilosim sure one say i am keen to get involved13:15
Kilosof so iets13:15
ThatGraemeGuyadjective13:15
ThatGraemeGuy1.13:15
ThatGraemeGuyBRITISH13:15
ThatGraemeGuyhaving or showing eagerness or enthusiasm.13:15
arnaudmezbrb13:15
Kilosty that13:15
KilosThatGraemeGuy  too13:15
ThatGraemeGuyyou're fine, maaz is retarded13:15
Kiloshaha13:15
pieter2627which is why i used google define - but the 'info box' of google was not inserted13:17
pieter2627or extracted13:17
magespawnthose are right too, just somewhat archaic13:17
magespawnMaaz define keen13:18
Maazmagespawn: Keen \Keen\, v. t. To sharpen; to make cold. [R.] [1913 Webster]  Cold winter keens the brightening flood. --Thomson. [1913 Webster], Keen \Keen\ (k[=e]n), a. [Compar. {Keener} (k[=e]n"[~e]r); superl. {Keenest}.] [OE. kene sharp, bold, AS. c[=e]ne bold; akin to D. koen, OHG. kuoni, G. k["u]hn, OSw. kyn, k["o]n, Icel. k[ae]nn, for k[oe]nn wise; perh. akin13:18
Maazto E. ken, can to be able. [root]45.] 1. Sharp; having a fine edge or point; as, a keen …13:18
Kilosya you say this blade has a keen edge13:19
magespawnhmm, needs to have the english dictionary added13:19
magespawnis port 22935 a registerd port? what uses it?13:21
magespawni also thought keening was to make a sharp or loud sound like wailing13:23
magespawnmight be wrong about that though13:23
Kilosnono sounds familiar13:23
Kilosthat word was in use before ululating13:24
pieter2627magespawn: according to google define wailing is also correct13:29
Kilosya a keen is a cry of anguish methinks13:30
Kilosnot just a little boo hoo13:30
magespawnchat later all, bye13:56
Kilostoods magespawn  13:57
Kiloshmm...15:36
DalekSecnlsthzn: :317:01
nlsthzn:p17:20
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magespawngood evening17:46
Kiloshi magespawn  17:48
Kilosnlsthzn  that blog pulled in a guy from europe to the africa channel17:48
Kilosgood work17:48
nlsthznlol17:49
Kiloshehe17:49
Kilosa web designer17:49
Kilosim happy i need clever guys there17:49
nlsthzn:)17:49
Kiloshi Tonberry  17:56
Tonberryhi18:01
inetprogood evening18:22
* inetpro goes to read the backlogs18:22
Kiloshi inetpro  18:22
inetproai! you guys talk too much for me18:26
Kilossorry18:26
* inetpro can't keep up18:26
Kilosoh we need contact links for kmf please so guys can offer help18:26
inetpromembers who want to help should please list themselves at https://trello.com/c/q2nokuRs18:29
inetproas a start18:29
Kilosok18:29
inetprocheck the SFD Start Guide on that page and Previous Events18:30
Kilosso far its pieter and gremble that could help i think18:32
inetprooh goodness 18:34
Kiloswhat?18:35
inetprogremble don't do trello, or does he?18:35
Kilosoh no18:35
inetproai! But no worries... we can work with him for sure18:35
Kilosill give him the links when he comes on18:35
Kilosif you remind me18:36
Kiloshehe18:36
Kiloshi SDCDev  18:43
Kiloswhats up with you guys that miss meetings18:43
SDCDevhey Kilos18:44
SDCDevback in Jbay :)18:44
SDCDevhow are you?18:44
SDCDev:( I flew yesterday :|18:44
SDCDevlast night18:44
Kilosgood ty and you?18:44
SDCDevdropped my phone in a beer on Monday, so didn't have my hotspot.. just got the freakn thing to work now18:44
Kilosok you are forgiuven18:45
Kilosdont make a habit of flying on meeting nights18:45
Kiloshehe18:45
Kiloseish18:45
Kilosget smaller glasses for your beer so fone cant fit18:46
Kilossurfing again this weekend hey18:46
KilosSDCDev  you can promote ubuntu a bit there too18:57
Kilosread the meeting logs for what was proposed18:58
SDCDevlol xD in JBay? :)18:58
SDCDevkk18:58
Kilosya man many peeps go there on holiday18:58
Kilosshow then how you digitally control the waves18:59
SDCDevhehehe18:59
SDCDevI'll see what I can do... I dont even have adsl yet O.o19:03
SDCDevlol19:03
Kilosjust do your best please, no one asks for more19:04
Kilosif you can convert just one person its one mor19:05
Kilosmore19:05
magespawnone more for the kilos machine19:17
Kiloslol19:17
Kilosevery drop counts19:17
SDCDev:D19:18
Kilosthe whole beach is made up of single grains of sand19:20
magespawnindeed, so are the pyramids19:20
Kilosyeah19:21
Kilosmethinks i go sleep guys19:28
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:28
magespawnbedtime for me too, good night all20:12
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