[04:38] More almal [05:36] hi barrydk mazal inetpro and others [05:37] More oom === andrewlsd is now known as mciverza [06:13] here is something for the python peeps https://bugs.python.org/issue23275 [06:27] good mornings everyone [06:27] morning inetpro [06:30] Morning Kilos, inetpro [06:30] hi mciverza nice to see you here so early [06:30] hi Kilos [06:30] oh and hi mciverza [06:31] Thanks Kilos, I'm running around trying to sort out a domain registration where the DNS servers and original mail account by which the domain was registered no longer exist. [06:31] oh my, how can things just no longer exist [06:31] non payment? [06:33] nope. I registered a .nom.za domain when I worked for a company.... and I used my company email address to register it. That email address no longer exists, and neither do the DNS servers used in the registration. [06:34] oh my [06:34] lolz. [06:34] good luck [06:35] thanks, going to lurk. [06:35] ok [06:36] Kilos, regarding last night's "at" discussion. [06:36] oh yes [06:36] at 00:10 screen -d 'apt-get upgrade -y' [06:37] wow cool ty [06:37] would allow you to reconnect and see what apt is doing if you needed to. [06:37] coz I often have connectivity issues, I usually do apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade [06:37] so that it downloads all the packages, and if that is successful, it runs the actual upgrade. [06:38] mciverza: oh wow, I like your solution [06:38] great ty, i sat up and upgraded as usual [06:38] nobody's heard up unattended-upgrades then i guess? [06:38] *"heard of" :-o [06:39] haha, hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:39] 'lo :) [06:40] hi ThatGraemeGuy i upgrade only when i have night surfer data, so sometimes weeks with no upgrading [06:40] ThatGraemeGuy: I guess it's about time that we just trust update to not break anything :-) [06:40] oh right [06:41] inetpro: we run unattended-upgrades, that ought to speak to its stability somewhat [06:41] thousands of servers that update most things seamlessly every day [06:41] there's a few things that don't auto-update [06:42] there's a few things that require intervention [06:42] but for a desktop, no reason to bother with package filtering [06:42] yes, desktop should be fine in most cases [06:43] inetpro zerlgi is back [06:43] Kilos: ? [06:43] just trhese nick changes get me confussed [06:43] oh my have i got it wrong [06:44] isnt mciverza zerlgi === mciverza is now known as zerlgi === zerlgi is now known as andrewlsd [06:46] kilos, yes. that is correct [06:46] see [06:46] inetpro ^^ [06:46] sjoe maak my kop draai [06:51] " I usually do apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade " Musn't the first one be update instead of upgrade ? Or am I missing something ? [06:53] would be nice if one could setup synaptic to upgrade at 0.05 [06:54] My biggest problem is with loadshedding I don't want to leave my equipment on [06:54] after 10pm its normally safe [06:57] Kilos: you can make a cron job that runs the apt commands you need for upgrading [06:57] trying to schedule GUI tools..... let me not comment rather :-p [06:57] lol i looked at that ThatGraemeGuy , i think using at is easier for me [06:58] * ThatGraemeGuy sighs incredibly deeply [06:58] ThatGraemeGuy: bite your tongue :-) [06:58] lol [06:59] cron is easier for me that at [06:59] good morning [06:59] hi magespawn [06:59] than* [06:59] Morning magespawn [07:00] Kilos: maybe you just need to do a little more homework [07:00] and please don't even mention synaptic [07:01] nono man too much, i have got a hackergotchi now i gotta put that on the blog, and planet somehow [07:01] I now did that sudo apt-get -dy update && sudo apt-get upgrade [07:02] But it stood still on the "yes" prompt [07:02] Do I short a -y somewhere ? [07:02] synaptic is an efficient tool for beginners and can fix broken packages and do all upgrades [07:02] mazal: man apt-get [07:03] ai! [07:03] apt-get -dy **upgrade** [07:03] and man bash [07:03] Must both be upgrade ? [07:03] (not meaning to shout, just emphasize) [07:04] I don't understand why both must be upgrade ? Why musn't an update run first ? [07:06] mazal: you've got it the wrong way round [07:06] mazal: the -y should be on upgrade, not update [07:07] morning superfly [07:07] yeah, the point of the "apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade" [07:07] was to download the packages (which is what -dy will do) and only then run the actual upgrade [07:07] as opposed to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade [07:08] which will refresh the package list and then run the upgrade. [07:08] So there should actually be 3 commands [07:08] mazal, yes [07:08] either way, probably "unattended-upgrade" is more useful. [07:10] So I would put for example "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -dy upgrade && sudo apt-get upgrade" [07:16] How do one get past the prompt for sudo password if you were to put unattended upgrades in a cron script ? [07:20] add it to the root cron and not to the user cron, then sudo is not needed inside the script [07:21] alternative, is to edit the sudo config and configue the commands in the script to not require password when sudo is used on those specific commands [07:21] but root cron is easier [07:22] are there any security risks with running cron scripts as root? [07:23] only if you dont know what the script does [07:23] or if the script reads data from files that any user can edit [07:27] k thanx [07:29] +1 TinuvaMac [07:31] Maaz andrewlsd ++ [07:31] Maaz TinuvaMac ++ [07:31] thanks for the lesson [07:32] they clever these peeps hey magespawn [07:32] you think im on this channel for the coffee [07:37] morning all [07:37] hi pieter2627 [07:40] haha got me a gotchi and you can see i got my winter wool on face [07:40] http://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com [07:42] Nice oom ;) [07:45] sien jy daai prent [07:45] dis wat hulle n hackergotchi noem [07:45] dunno why [07:48] ai! http://is.gd/B9DpnR [08:02] hi MaNI [08:03] hi [08:27] Kilos: maybe put links to various ubuntu sites etc with that blog post [08:40] hi all [08:40] hi Kilos [08:43] hi georgelappies [08:43] how are you doing today? [08:43] ok ty and you? [08:43] good thanks [09:50] alo [09:50] o? [09:50] o/ [09:50] hi nlsthzn hows you lad? [09:50] uncle Kilos ... send me your article / blog link pls [09:50] the new one nlsthzn ? [09:50] fine thanks uncle Kilos ... going to get info [09:50] sorry [09:50] premature enter [09:50] Maaz kilos.newblog [09:50] lol [09:50] http://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com [09:51] thanks [09:51] ok [09:51] want to reblog it and makek it hit planet.ubuntu.com [09:51] aha ty for that [09:51] hope all well here? [09:51] yeah we all going strong as always [09:51] k cool [10:00] my blog is falling apart due to neglect [10:00] can't even figure out how to insert an image anymore either >.< [10:00] lol ya thats what happens [10:01] i started replacing my old one but didnt get very far either [10:03] crap [10:04] lol what did you break [10:04] submitted but forget to tag as planet ubuntu [10:04] haha [10:04] now edited but not sure it will show up [10:04] will have to see [10:04] hi gremble [10:11] Good afternoon [10:11] How is everyone doing? [10:11] ok ty and you? [10:11] Well thank you [10:11] you forgot to do something i think [10:12] was mention in last nights meeting [10:25] why do peeps tweet stuff that makes one hungry [10:25] http://is.gd/K6KYjC [10:33] I forgot to do something? [10:33] I don't think so. I did offer my help with SFD that was perhaps mentioned last night [10:34] Where can I find the minutes? [10:37] Oh tuksLUG [10:38] i just remembered someone said you were going to do something [10:38] Yes, looked at the minutes now [10:38] phew major rukkus between the ubuntu comunity council and the kubuntu council [10:38] this is going to get ugly [10:38] How so nlsthzn ? [10:38] well it is already actually [10:38] very ugly [10:39] Share the gossip [10:39] planet.ubuntu.com [10:39] you will see the posts [10:39] hey it already has its own hashtag [10:39] #wiunning [10:39] #winning [10:39] its been going for weeks in the lists [10:39] :p [10:40] shame man [10:40] I am still reading and personally I am getting pretty pissed off about the whole thing [10:40] this will be the second council I believe is dysfunctinal [10:41] lots to read to get up to scratch with the whole episode [10:41] yup [10:41] but going on the initial actions... not good [10:42] there are ways of doing things [10:42] sad though [10:43] hopefully they sort their differences [10:43] i love kubuntu [10:43] hopefully [10:44] maybe peeps are just a bit hot tempered [10:45] nope [10:46] enough bull and people react [10:49] DalekSec, i c u [10:52] Greetings [10:52] hi drazoro [10:52] hi drazoro [10:54] Hi Kilos, Hi magespawn [10:55] That is a very demonstrative reason why I don't want to get involved in anything [10:55] haha [10:56] haha [10:56] we dont fight here man [10:56] Trixar or something who is here already hates me :P [10:56] So no thank you [10:57] he isnt here often [10:57] gremble: the key is to remove the ego from the equation, if you can do that and others can too, then you are sorted [10:57] ^ if you can show me a group of people that can do that, I will have found the people I want to be the next world leaders [10:58] instead of peeps hashing about problems its way better to hash about solutions [10:59] uh oh kenya server crashed again [10:59] gremble: true [11:00] only those who do not want to be the leaders should get the job, bit like the president of the galaxy [11:00] ^ [11:01] I was just about to say that [11:01] hah [11:01] Well, the president of the galaxy bit was all yours :P [11:01] haha [11:01] any recommendations for a linux rdp client? [11:04] gremble unfortunately not, hitchhikers guide to the galaxy [11:05] i go eat [11:05] Maaz watch them [11:05] oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon! [11:05] Maaz botsnack [11:05] YAY someone cares about me too! [11:06] magespawn: Exclusive books has a Barnes n Noble leatherbound hardcover version of the compilation of books D: [11:06] Being poor saddens me [11:06] xD [11:06] i think is saddens most people [11:08] I would rather be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy [11:08] This is probably true. Most people want all kinds of expensive things like clothes, shoes, food, etc. I just want books [11:09] Contrary to popular belief though, it is not more comfortanle to cry in a lamborgini than an uno [11:10] Study for Differential Equations or write a scheme interpreter.... choices [11:11] study [11:11] Yeeees. I have been. I am on qualitative analysis. So most of it is done [11:11] But I should probably go [11:11] Cheers [11:17] check http://planet.ubuntu.com/ now uncle kilos, post is up [11:25] will look nlsthzn [11:26] haha you must make a hackergotchi [11:45] I thought my avatar was OK :p [11:46] ya man mine was also but knowing many peeps gets on inundated with advice [11:46] i had to ask tara do do it for me [11:47] and the cheeky thing tells me , there i even smoothed out you crazy einstean hair [11:47] einstein [11:48] :) [11:48] lol [11:49] if I start faffing around now I won't stop for the next few days and get nothing else done [11:49] ll [11:49] lol [11:54] hi CuttingEdge [11:54] Kilos: greetings [12:25] lo [12:31] Hi Kilos [12:31] Hi superfly [12:31] Hi inetpro [12:31] hi arnaudmez [12:32] I broken nothing dear [12:32] :D [12:32] hahaha [12:32] good stuff [12:32] Asking what's good on this channel [12:32] everything [12:33] Who is the RedHat guy around ? [12:33] oh Squirm [12:33] /join #redhat [12:33] he has been quiet today, must be busy [12:33] Whosh too mch geek there [12:35] In fact I like to share Kubuntu with Kilos but I'm more general Linux if you see ThatGraemeGuy [12:35] lol [12:35] when i say general Linux this exclude the tar.gz things [12:36] eh? [12:41] Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless [12:41] you too mazal [12:42] ty [12:42] bye mazal [12:44] arnaudmez /j #ubuntu-africa [12:44] there are some redhat guys there i think [12:45] Hi [12:45] hi Squirm [12:45] arnaudmez ask quick [12:46] Heh [12:46] lol [12:46] Kilos: quick what ??? [12:46] for redhat knowlege man [12:47] what is the problem [12:48] Kilos: Okay I will jump there and ask ! [12:48] :D Kilos [12:48] lol squirm isnt there man [12:48] ai! [12:48] Cool [12:49] just ask here what you need help with [12:49] Squirm: are you the man who does RPM here ? [12:49] Heh - Haven't used that in a while now [12:49] What's your problem though? [12:51] okay , I've migrated to the new Fed22 (as i ritually do wit my laptop) and was just looking for advises from a Pro [12:54] * Squirm shrugs [12:54] Can't help you there [12:54] Other than to say I didn't like Fedora [12:55] bbl [12:58] Okay [12:59] A question, why it's almost impossible to install two package using differents terminal under linux [12:59] only one package manager can run at a time [13:00] you might be able to && the commands though [13:00] the *** is locked... thing is somewhat problematic [13:02] i think they have to lock or else you could end up with all sorts of problems [13:03] inetpro you must talk to kmf [13:04] magespawn: so impossible to install two packages at the same time when you are a newbie and learning Lnx Terminal [13:05] Kilos: I've started chatting with him already [13:05] also created https://trello.com/c/q2nokuRs [13:05] good man, [13:06] Kilos: kmf needs volunteers to help him [13:06] you should have told grembe this morning [13:06] ill try catch him next time he pops in [13:06] pieter2627 you keen? [13:07] Kilos: I'm at work... no time to chat now, sorry [13:07] np [13:07] arnaudmez: like i say i think you can && the commands eg sudo apt-get install 'packageone' && apt-get install 'packagetwo' [13:07] from one terminal [13:07] ??? [13:07] nono yum thing mage [13:08] swop apt-get for yum on fedora [13:08] pieter2627 kmf needs volunteers to help him with getting sfd done [13:08] magespawn: or 'apt-get install packageone packagetwo...' [13:08] magespawn: that good to read [13:09] magespawn: it's no more yum but dnf [13:09] which i like, it's more flexible and faster [13:09] arnaudmez: does that also apply to CentOS 6? [13:10] Kilos: if he voices what he needs then i can see what i can do [13:10] I don't think so, but you can actuall download dnf and run both together [13:10] * pieter2627 wonders what 'keen' was suppose to be [13:11] ok tonight ill see where we can link you guys up [13:11] You will see more dnf on CentOS 7 and RHEL 7 [13:11] pieter2627: ? [13:11] he used to be online at floss.pro or something [13:11] he has a twitter and g+ account [13:11] magespawn: yes [13:11] keen=gewilleg [13:12] oh [13:12] i just remember there were guys said they wanted to help but dont remember who [13:12] no worries, was in response to your question [13:12] so grabbing [13:13] * pieter2627 did not recognize it as he has never seen it spelt before [13:13] oh my [13:13] Maaz define keen [13:13] Kilos: Keen \Keen\, v. t. To sharpen; to make cold. [R.] [1913 Webster] Cold winter keens the brightening flood. --Thomson. [1913 Webster], Keen \Keen\ (k[=e]n), a. [Compar. {Keener} (k[=e]n"[~e]r); superl. {Keenest}.] [OE. kene sharp, bold, AS. c[=e]ne bold; akin to D. koen, OHG. kuoni, G. k["u]hn, OSw. kyn, k["o]n, Icel. k[ae]nn, for k[oe]nn wise; perh. akin to [13:13] E. ken, can to be able. [root]45.] 1. Sharp; having a fine edge or point; as, a keen razo… [13:13] ai! [13:13] maaz google define keen [13:13] pieter2627: "Keen | Define Keen at Dictionary.com" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/keen :: "Keen | Definition of keen by Merriam-Webster" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/keen :: "keen - definition of keen by The Free Dictionary" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/keen :: "keen - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com" [13:13] http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/keen :: "Urban Dictionary: keen" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=keen… [13:14] have i got the wrong meaning for keen [13:15] im sure one say i am keen to get involved [13:15] of so iets [13:15] adjective [13:15] 1. [13:15] BRITISH [13:15] having or showing eagerness or enthusiasm. [13:15] brb [13:15] ty that [13:15] ThatGraemeGuy too [13:15] you're fine, maaz is retarded [13:15] haha [13:17] which is why i used google define - but the 'info box' of google was not inserted [13:17] or extracted [13:17] those are right too, just somewhat archaic [13:18] Maaz define keen [13:18] magespawn: Keen \Keen\, v. t. To sharpen; to make cold. [R.] [1913 Webster] Cold winter keens the brightening flood. --Thomson. [1913 Webster], Keen \Keen\ (k[=e]n), a. [Compar. {Keener} (k[=e]n"[~e]r); superl. {Keenest}.] [OE. kene sharp, bold, AS. c[=e]ne bold; akin to D. koen, OHG. kuoni, G. k["u]hn, OSw. kyn, k["o]n, Icel. k[ae]nn, for k[oe]nn wise; perh. akin [13:18] to E. ken, can to be able. [root]45.] 1. Sharp; having a fine edge or point; as, a keen … [13:19] ya you say this blade has a keen edge [13:19] hmm, needs to have the english dictionary added [13:21] is port 22935 a registerd port? what uses it? [13:23] i also thought keening was to make a sharp or loud sound like wailing [13:23] might be wrong about that though [13:23] nono sounds familiar [13:24] that word was in use before ululating [13:29] magespawn: according to google define wailing is also correct [13:30] ya a keen is a cry of anguish methinks [13:30] not just a little boo hoo [13:56] chat later all, bye [13:57] toods magespawn [15:36] hmm... [17:01] nlsthzn: :3 [17:20] :p === MaNL is now known as MaNI [17:46] good evening [17:48] hi magespawn [17:48] nlsthzn that blog pulled in a guy from europe to the africa channel [17:48] good work [17:49] lol [17:49] hehe [17:49] a web designer [17:49] im happy i need clever guys there [17:49] :) [17:56] hi Tonberry [18:01] hi [18:22] good evening [18:22] * inetpro goes to read the backlogs [18:22] hi inetpro [18:26] ai! you guys talk too much for me [18:26] sorry [18:26] * inetpro can't keep up [18:26] oh we need contact links for kmf please so guys can offer help [18:29] members who want to help should please list themselves at https://trello.com/c/q2nokuRs [18:29] as a start [18:29] ok [18:30] check the SFD Start Guide on that page and Previous Events [18:32] so far its pieter and gremble that could help i think [18:34] oh goodness [18:35]