[14:51] <zequence> OvenWerks: Should we think about moving either media playback so that it appears directly under our menu items, or we move our stuff into the regular menu area?
[18:20] <zequence> I think now is a good time to really push for making everything end up in the right place
[18:20] <holstein> ideally, getting a "right" place implemented with freedesktop
[18:21] <holstein> im assuming they are open to that.. and have not made an attempt at contact yet
[18:21] <holstein> im *sure* other folks have the same issue
[18:21] <holstein> if they had what the community needs, then, the creators of the software can put it where they like
[18:22] <holstein> which, would benefit everyone, potentially... could be one of those things thats never implemented correctly, though
[18:22] <zequence> It's a little bit tricky. The right place right now is really just the "right" place the way we see it
[18:22] <zequence> But, it's good if we follow the freedesktop standard with the menu as far as possible
[18:22] <holstein> sure, and i get that, and dont think it will be addressed upstream in a timley fashion
[18:23] <zequence> It's a little but open for interpretation, and we're really going crazy with it
[18:23] <zequence> I haven't made any contact upstream yet, so I have no idea
[18:23] <holstein> its just that, the freedesktop standards are not appropriate for *any* proaudio setup, so, if we "fixed" that, upstream, it would just trickle to everyone
[18:23] <holstein> could be, the plan is to phase the menu out
[18:23] <holstein> which, i get..
[18:23] <zequence> I think it works a long way, just that the categories are not being used a lot yet
[18:24] <holstein> i mean, brasero is a great example.. since, its *not* just for burning audio
[18:24] <holstein> when i want to create a backup data bluray of a hard disk, i look in an audio menu
[18:24] <holstein> its gotta go somewhere :)
[18:24] <holstein> but, at least, the creators of brasero can put it where they like..
[18:25] <zequence> There are probably a lot more examples where the category doesn't really fit
[18:25] <holstein> just as sane default works..
[19:40] <OvenWerks> The right place is workflow dependant. The standard place is alpha order.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> holstein: zequence ^^
[20:27] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yes, but do we keep separating the multimedia items from the rest? What do you think? If we do straight off alphabetical order, then we do not make any separation between our menu items and others, just that the multimedia ones will be finer tuned
[20:56] <OvenWerks> zequence: I honestly don't know. I think the only thing we gain by grouping them is that it highlights to the user what the differences are in Studio from Ubuntu (or Xubunt or whatever).
[20:56] <OvenWerks> zequence: it is pretty hard to say if that is worth while or not.
[20:56] <OvenWerks> I personally like not having to drag my mouse down as far ;)
[20:57] <holstein> how about, an A-K tab :)
[20:57] <OvenWerks> But that is really not a case for going non-alpha
[20:57] <holstein> A-K and L-Z ;)
[20:57] <holstein> im totally kidding around.. 
[20:58] <OvenWerks> The main part of our menu is not that big. :)
[20:58] <holstein> im with whatever you guys decide.. i wouldnt mind getting involved in contacting the freedesktop folks and "fixing" it up there
[20:59] <OvenWerks> holstein: in truth I have two screens and I have a second small pannel on the right screen (vertical/lower/left) and I put the programs I use in that.
[20:59] <holstein> yeah, i dont use a menu.. you dont either
[21:00] <holstein> some folks would appreciate the things moved, others will wish they had been left alone ;)
[21:00] <OvenWerks> holstein: I do use the menu for a lot of things, but the pannel has a terminal, an ssh to my server, qjackctl and ardour in it.
[21:01] <holstein> i installed gnome-do, probably 4+ years ago.. now i use kupfer.. but, since then, i dont use any menu
[21:04]  * OvenWerks is running 10 terminals right now...