| pitti | Good morning | 05:12 |
|---|---|---|
| pitti | Laaaaaneeeeeeyyyy | 06:02 |
| pitti | Laney: Debian bug 787047, s'il te plaît ? | 06:02 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 787047 in gir1.2-glib-2.0 "gir1.2-glib-2.0: uninstallable in sid, depends on glib in experimental" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/787047 | 06:02 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:06 |
| pitti | hey didrocks | 06:15 |
| didrocks | morning pitti | 06:19 |
| larsu | morning! | 06:27 |
| didrocks | hey larsu! | 06:28 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 07:15 |
| Sweet5hark | moin! | 07:37 |
| Sweet5hark | LibreOffice hackers invading my home today ... | 07:37 |
| larsu | Sweet5hark: moin moin! Big hackfest? | 07:38 |
| Sweet5hark | larsu: no, just a small home hacking were we bring together some local hackers. some people on vacation, some on sick leave, so will end up with just three heads this time prolly. | 07:40 |
| larsu | Sweet5hark: have fun in any case! | 07:40 |
| Sweet5hark | aye | 07:40 |
| willcooke | o/ | 07:53 |
| didrocks | morning willcooke | 07:55 |
| larsu | hi willcooke | 07:55 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:02 |
| Laney | pitti: ah crap, dirty chroot I guess | 08:04 |
| Laney | thanks for spotting! | 08:05 |
| pitti | Laney: no worries -- was easy to spot, my sid and experimental chroots are useless for building systemd :) | 08:09 |
| pitti | I managed to use jessie and install libapparmor from sid | 08:10 |
| * Laney fixes pinnification | 08:10 | |
| Laney | hey larsu, happy birthday! | 08:10 |
| pitti | Laney: I use http://paste.ubuntu.com/11407416/ | 08:10 |
| Laney | and hello everyone else! | 08:10 |
| Laney | pitti: woah, this pins *up* experimental? | 08:11 |
| pitti | Laney: so that when I call my "sid" schroot as experimental, it adjusts apt pinning for exp only in that sessino | 08:11 |
| pitti | Laney: sure -- by default it's pinned down | 08:12 |
| Laney | the problem for me is that my local repo needs to be pinned down | 08:12 |
| pitti | it's safe to leave exp apt sources in unstable, you have to use it explicitly (with -t or pinning) | 08:12 |
| pitti | so I just keep a sid schroot and that sbuild hook | 08:12 |
| didrocks | morning Laney! | 08:12 |
| seb128 | hey Laney pitti | 08:12 |
| Laney | but then you get too many exp packages compared to how the Debian buildds do it | 08:12 |
| pitti | larsu: duuude! Glueckwunsch zum Purzeltag!! *knuddel* | 08:13 |
| pitti | ça va seb128 | 08:13 |
| Laney | I just use --build-dep-resolver=aptitude | 08:13 |
| larsu | morning Laney! Thanks :) | 08:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, oui, et toi ? | 08:13 |
| larsu | pitti: dankeschön!! | 08:13 |
| pitti | seb128: ça va d'accord | 08:13 |
| Laney | hey didrocks et seb128 | 08:13 |
| Laney | larsu: do you have plans to celebrate? | 08:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, "d'accord" doesn't work well in that context | 08:14 |
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| larsu | Laney: not really, but I guess I should given that it's a round birthday | 08:14 |
| Laney | happy 25th! | 08:14 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, comment tu dis ça ? | 08:14 |
| larsu | Laney: I'm only 0x20 ;) | 08:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, tu veux dire quoi ? "ça aussi aussi" ? | 08:15 |
| seb128 | ups | 08:15 |
| seb128 | "ça va aussi" | 08:15 |
| pitti | Laney: and yes, _source.changes uploads do work now \o/ | 08:15 |
| seb128 | in Debian? | 08:15 |
| Laney | wait | 08:15 |
| Laney | really? | 08:15 |
| pitti | seb128: now *that* sounds strange :) | 08:15 |
| Laney | I thought you still had to include the _all packages | 08:15 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:15 |
| pitti | Laney: yeah -- it apparently wasn't announced anywhere, but I did a source upload recently after Q-FUNK pointed it out | 08:16 |
| * Laney is going to try this | 08:16 | |
| seb128 | it working was a bug or feature? | 08:16 |
| pitti | Laney: yes -- welcome in the 3rd millenium! | 08:16 |
| seb128 | so it's full source upload? | 08:16 |
| pitti | seb128: well, Debian has worked towards this for a long time, so I'd consider it a feature :) | 08:16 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, just like ubuntu | 08:16 |
| seb128 | or is it source+deb where deb are discarded | 08:16 |
| pitti | seb128: no, just _source | 08:16 |
| seb128 | k | 08:16 |
| seb128 | unsure why they had to "work toward" it, it seems a trivial change | 08:17 |
| pitti | well, I'm sure source+_all also works still, but I never tried that | 08:17 |
| pitti | I don't mind sbuilding stuff, and do that for an adt-run round anyway | 08:17 |
| davmor2 | pitti: oh come on you trying to say seb128 is 3000 years old now, cause I don't believe that at all | 08:17 |
| seb128 | I though it was more that they wanted to force the .deb to be uploaded to ensure you built locally and don't upload something that doesn't build | 08:17 |
| pitti | but it's useful for e. g. arch: i386 packages, as I don't have an i386 schroot | 08:17 |
| pitti | (I often sponsor -geode uploads) | 08:17 |
| pitti | davmor2: no, he looks no older than 2900! | 08:18 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, as if that ever actually helped :) | 08:18 |
| seb128 | yeah, don't tell me | 08:19 |
| seb128 | so maybe I can upload to Debian again :p | 08:19 |
| pitti | seb128: well, it's certainly not the trivial task of calling mk-sbuild sid that kept you from it :) | 08:20 |
| pitti | it's more like "no time to maintain stuff there", I would guess? | 08:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, it's more than my disk is a 80G and I'm navigating to < 1G space and don't have room for a Debian chroot or vm | 08:20 |
| seb128 | + that | 08:21 |
| pitti | wow | 08:21 |
| seb128 | but sometime I want to push easy bugfixes to Debian and sync back | 08:21 |
| pitti | seb128: you managed to get an 80 GB SSD? or do you have windows on that too, or something? | 08:22 |
| pitti | /dev/sda3 224G 117G 106G 53% / | 08:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, time to buy a new laptop | 08:22 |
| pitti | but I have tons of VMs etc. | 08:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, my laptop is almost 6 years old... | 08:22 |
| seb128 | it was the standard ssd by then | 08:22 |
| Laney | I ordered my new one last night | 08:22 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, you skipped the previous refresh? | 08:22 |
| Laney | xps 13 baby! | 08:22 |
| pitti | Laney: new toys *slobbering* | 08:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, sort of, I'm looking for a new laptop for a while but didn't find the perfect one | 08:23 |
| seb128 | and I'm still happy enough with mine that I don't feel like I have to change | 08:23 |
| seb128 | I was close from taking the xps for a while, but the previous generation has coil noise issues | 08:23 |
| seb128 | I'm also unsure if 13" is big enough of a screen, but at the same time I want a light laptop... | 08:24 |
| pitti | I got along really well with 128 GB, but 80 is a bit thin indeed; I guess the biggest things are music and photos, the rest should be almost negligible | 08:24 |
| pitti | seb128: 12" plus external >= 24" monitor :) | 08:24 |
| seb128 | hehe | 08:25 |
| seb128 | the xps also don't do docking | 08:25 |
| seb128 | but I guess I can just plug the cables manually | 08:25 |
| pitti | yeah, that's a bit annoying | 08:25 |
| pitti | but then again, I don't actually move it around that often, maybe once every other week | 08:25 |
| pitti | but it's surprising how many cables stick out | 08:26 |
| * pitti counts 9 | 08:26 | |
| seb128 | I often take the laptop in the living room/in front of TV in the evening | 08:26 |
| pitti | then I guess you really do want a dock | 08:26 |
| seb128 | yeah, but then I'm back to heavy models :-/ | 08:26 |
| seb128 | I might just keep my old laptop docked as a desktop | 08:26 |
| seb128 | and get a light one for walking around, conferences, etc | 08:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, you are decided on the xps? | 08:27 |
| pitti | seb128: both thinkpad and latitudes are available in 12" and are dockable | 08:27 |
| pitti | (or 13" if you prefer) | 08:27 |
| pitti | not sure about the HP ncXXXX ones, whether they are dockable | 08:28 |
| seb128 | I don't want a thinkpad | 08:29 |
| * seb128 looks again at the latitude models | 08:29 | |
| Laney | seb128: Yeah I was going to get the x1 carbon but then reviews tipped me in favour of the xps | 08:30 |
| Laney | plus it was like £400 cheaper | 08:30 |
| seb128 | good man | 08:30 |
| seb128 | and it comes with Ubuntu preinstalled :-) | 08:30 |
| Laney | yes, Ubuntu Linux 14.04 SP1! | 08:31 |
| seb128 | and it's not lenovo and their self signed certificates crap business | 08:31 |
| seb128 | (hate lenovo) | 08:31 |
| * larsu mumbles something about loving his x1 | 08:33 | |
| willcooke | fighting talk | 08:33 |
| larsu | might as well talk about emacs... | 08:33 |
| willcooke | #teamlenovo | 08:33 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:33 |
| seb128 | enjoy China spying on you :p | 08:34 |
| larsu | lol. like dell is building everything in the us? | 08:34 |
| willcooke | NO CARRIER | 08:34 |
| larsu | (and even so...) | 08:34 |
| seb128 | larsu, I give them more credit that I do to Lenovo (maybe I'm wrong but that's my position :p) | 08:34 |
| seb128 | hum, I wish the google event change events had more details | 08:35 |
| seb128 | willcooke, that afternoon meeting, you changed it to half an hour later, right? | 08:36 |
| willcooke | seb128, yeah, if you can. Just had a meeting moved in to that exact slot | 08:36 |
| willcooke | :( | 08:36 |
| seb128 | those emails tell you something changed, but not what and from what to what | 08:36 |
| seb128 | yeah, no problem | 08:36 |
| seb128 | it's just like "date changed, go figure what the change is" | 08:36 |
| willcooke | yeah, seems you have to view it in Gmail to get the details | 08:36 |
| seb128 | oh, you get details in gmail? | 08:37 |
| seb128 | I'm using the canonical imap server, so no luck there | 08:37 |
| willcooke | Why am I not surprised | 08:37 |
| willcooke | ;) | 08:37 |
| willcooke | You guys should totally adopt Gmail | 08:37 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:37 |
| pitti | go away! | 08:37 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:38 |
| willcooke | #leeroyjenkins | 08:38 |
| seb128 | hehe | 08:38 |
| * pitti draws the gauntlet :) | 08:38 | |
| willcooke | :D | 08:38 |
| pitti | oh, it's not Friday yet | 08:38 |
| ochosi | Laney: woot! i also ordered an xps13 last night! | 08:38 |
| willcooke | Close enough I think | 08:38 |
| didrocks | offset by 1… those kinds of bugs wouldn't be the first one… | 08:39 |
| * Laney high fives ochosi | 08:39 | |
| ochosi | \o/ | 08:39 |
| ochosi | i really loved the "Service Pack 1" part :) | 08:40 |
| seb128 | indeed | 08:40 |
| ochosi | seb128: actually i saw a docking station for the xps13. you connect a single usb and get all kinds of connectors iirc | 08:40 |
| seb128 | ochosi, which one did you take? | 08:40 |
| seb128 | ochosi, oh, interesting, desrt mentioned something like that iirc | 08:41 |
| ochosi | the cheaper version with 1920x1080 display. battery life ftw! | 08:41 |
| ochosi | yeah, the dock isn't cheap though, something around 200€ | 08:41 |
| seb128 | right, that's what got me hesitating, the screen | 08:41 |
| seb128 | 3200+ touch screen sounds nice | 08:41 |
| ochosi | http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=at&l=de&cs=atdhs1&sku=452-BBOT&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=5&~ck=dellSearch | 08:42 |
| seb128 | ochosi, thanks | 08:42 |
| ochosi | yeah, QHD sounds nice, i wouldn't know what to use it for though | 08:42 |
| ochosi | i have almost no content for that resolution | 08:42 |
| seb128 | right, the resolution is too high for me, I don't really need it | 08:43 |
| seb128 | but having a touch screen is good | 08:43 |
| ochosi | thing with that docking station is that i have no clue whether it works with linux | 08:43 |
| seb128 | why wouldn't it? | 08:43 |
| ochosi | hmwell, no clue, i've never had a docking station :) | 08:43 |
| seb128 | I don't think there is anything that needs to be piloted from the OS side | 08:44 |
| ochosi | and it's just a single usb3.0 connector, that sounds like black magic to me! | 08:44 |
| seb128 | it's just connectivity | 08:44 |
| ochosi | also, the package contains a CD (!) with drivers to install | 08:44 |
| ochosi | which is fun, cause the xps13 doesnt have an optical drive | 08:45 |
| ochosi | seb128: also, this: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/software-os/f/3525/t/19618020 | 08:46 |
| seb128 | https://plus.google.com/102511090413262027684/posts/JWNYPitUrGT | 08:47 |
| seb128 | hum :/ | 08:47 |
| ochosi | yeah | 08:48 |
| ochosi | display is the problem, and without that it doesn't make much sense | 08:48 |
| * Sweet5hark is late to the warparty against gmail. | 09:21 | |
| Sweet5hark | oh its postponed to friday? | 09:21 |
| * Sweet5hark will bring a ballista and greek fire. | 09:22 | |
| pitti | seb128: meh, sucks | 09:50 |
| pitti | after all, you want a dock mostly for the monitor.. | 09:50 |
| seb128 | yeah :-/ | 09:50 |
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| tjaalton | right, no way to make it work because of displaylink black magic | 11:06 |
| tjaalton | but in the near future there should be docks with usb-c, which will be able to carry displayport | 11:07 |
| Laney | can't remember the last time I plugged a monitor into my laptop | 11:13 |
| * Laney has simple needs :-) | 11:13 | |
| didrocks | hum… I think I remember… it was… hum… 5 hours ago! | 11:16 |
| Laney | NOPE | 11:16 |
| * Laney has a desktop | 11:16 | |
| didrocks | talking about myself :p | 11:16 |
| * didrocks doesn't have a desktop, I have *the* ubuntu desktop :) | 11:16 | |
| Laney | the original one from 2004 | 11:16 |
| didrocks | \m/ | 11:16 |
| Saviq | anyone else's compose key stopped working recently in 15.04? whatever I assign it to (I usually have it at CapsLock), any chars I type go in as-is | 11:42 |
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| pitti | tiny data point: I have it on ScrollLock, and it's working fine | 12:22 |
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| * qengho afk, errand. | 13:39 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, hey, I'm looking at getting that snappy image built, can you summarize what you did/where you left things? | 15:30 |
| didrocks | sure thing | 15:30 |
| seb128 | thanks :-) | 15:30 |
| didrocks | yw, see you tomorrow :-) | 15:30 |
| didrocks | :p | 15:31 |
| didrocks | I worked on repurposing the "desktop next" build | 15:31 |
| didrocks | I'm unsure the current plan is still that one | 15:31 |
| didrocks | everything was ready AFAIK, just needed to be put in production | 15:31 |
| didrocks | so, if we are going to reuse the desktop next image, here are the changes: | 15:31 |
| didrocks | there was the livecd-rootfs changes: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/livecd-rootfs/desktop-next/+merge/257056 | 15:32 |
| didrocks | I'm happy to rebase on current trunk | 15:32 |
| didrocks | the MP was already approved | 15:32 |
| didrocks | so the hooks for transforming the image to system images are there, it will need a package upload | 15:32 |
| didrocks | second, the seed needed to change: | 15:32 |
| didrocks | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid/+merge/257059 | 15:32 |
| didrocks | again, an approved MP | 15:32 |
| didrocks | this is what I identified as being needed to get the snappy components to the next image | 15:33 |
| seb128 | k | 15:33 |
| didrocks | need of course pushing the seed + metapackage upload | 15:33 |
| seb128 | so the image build setup is similar | 15:33 |
| didrocks | thirdly, there is: the image build change | 15:33 |
| seb128 | can you rebase the livecd-rootfs changes or maybe even upload it? | 15:33 |
| seb128 | I'm happy to upload if you prefer | 15:34 |
| didrocks | well, if I rebase, I can upload :p | 15:34 |
| didrocks | so yeah, we need to have finally colin pushing https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-next-system-image/+merge/257057 in production | 15:34 |
| didrocks | in coordination to that change, Laney needs to push some config triggers | 15:34 |
| didrocks | (we discussed about it during the sprint | 15:34 |
| didrocks | ) | 15:34 |
| didrocks | with all those 3 things done, desktop-next should become a snappy image-base system | 15:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm happy to do the livecd-rootfs + touch seed tomorrow morning | 15:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, great, thanks | 15:35 |
| didrocks | yw | 15:35 |
| seb128 | I can nag Colin about the cdimage change | 15:36 |
| Laney | there was something to edit on launchpad, is that what you mean? | 15:36 |
| didrocks | good | 15:36 |
| didrocks | Laney: yep | 15:36 |
| Laney | okay | 15:36 |
| didrocks | just a warning, this was for desktop-next to become a snappy one | 15:36 |
| didrocks | I guess because of "ubuntu personal", that wasn't the plan, but I didn't follow recent discussions | 15:36 |
| didrocks | at least, that would give you some templates to where to look at | 15:36 |
| Laney | is personal the same thing? | 15:37 |
| didrocks | yeah, but management wanted to have directly a phone + desktop thing rather than starting from one for phone and one for desktop and converging | 15:37 |
| didrocks | that's where I left the discussion, don't know more | 15:38 |
| Laney | oh, who cares about the name, you can just tweak the seeds for that surely | 15:38 |
| didrocks | I didn't, some did apparently :) | 15:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, I don't care much about the image details/name | 15:43 |
| seb128 | I just want something up we can play with | 15:43 |
| seb128 | to start | 15:43 |
| seb128 | then if they want rename or changes we can discuss/see | 15:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, that's then supposed to be ready | 15:44 |
| seb128 | great | 15:44 |
| didrocks | well for the definition of "ready" before pushing the build button :) | 15:44 |
| seb128 | thanks again for the work you did on that/the explanations | 15:44 |
| didrocks | yw! | 15:44 |
| didrocks | I hope that will give us to at least 95% there | 15:44 |
| Laney | they always fail the first time | 15:45 |
| Laney | that's the fun :) | 15:45 |
| didrocks | Laney: let's strech goals! :) | 15:45 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 16:27 | |
| willcooke | seb128, I created a 32bit bootloader a little while ago to get some 2in1 device to see the USB stick as a valid boot device | 16:58 |
| willcooke | I had to compile it and copy it in to an unpacked image | 16:58 |
| willcooke | then copy the lot over to a USB stick | 16:59 |
| willcooke | Do you think that might help? | 16:59 |
| willcooke | I can look up what I did | 16:59 |
| willcooke | (tomorrow) | 16:59 |
| seb128 | willcooke, thanks, but not really, we should fix the image to properly support uefi | 17:00 |
| willcooke | ack | 17:00 |
| jhodapp | seb128, +1 | 17:03 |
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| * willcooke -> EOD | 17:16 | |
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