[05:12] <pitti> Good morning
[06:02] <pitti> Laaaaaneeeeeeyyyy
[06:02] <pitti> Laney: Debian bug 787047, s'il te plaît ?
[06:06] <didrocks> good morning
[06:15] <pitti> hey didrocks
[06:19] <didrocks> morning pitti
[06:27] <larsu> morning!
[06:28] <didrocks> hey larsu!
[07:15] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:37] <Sweet5hark> moin!
[07:37] <Sweet5hark> LibreOffice hackers invading my home today ...
[07:38] <larsu> Sweet5hark: moin moin! Big hackfest?
[07:40] <Sweet5hark> larsu: no, just a small home hacking were we bring together some local hackers. some people on vacation, some on sick leave, so will end up with just three heads this time prolly.
[07:40] <larsu> Sweet5hark: have fun in any case!
[07:40] <Sweet5hark> aye
[07:53] <willcooke> o/
[07:55] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[07:55] <larsu> hi willcooke
[08:02] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:04] <Laney> pitti: ah crap, dirty chroot I guess
[08:05] <Laney> thanks for spotting!
[08:09] <pitti> Laney: no worries -- was easy to spot, my sid and experimental chroots are useless for building systemd :)
[08:10] <pitti> I managed to use jessie and install libapparmor from sid
[08:10]  * Laney fixes pinnification
[08:10] <Laney> hey larsu, happy birthday!
[08:10] <pitti> Laney: I use http://paste.ubuntu.com/11407416/
[08:10] <Laney> and hello everyone else!
[08:11] <Laney> pitti: woah, this pins *up* experimental?
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: so that when I call my "sid" schroot as experimental, it adjusts apt pinning for exp only in that sessino
[08:12] <pitti> Laney: sure -- by default it's pinned down
[08:12] <Laney> the problem for me is that my local repo needs to be pinned down
[08:12] <pitti> it's safe to leave exp apt sources in unstable, you have to use it explicitly (with -t or pinning)
[08:12] <pitti> so I just keep a sid schroot and that sbuild hook
[08:12] <didrocks> morning Laney!
[08:12] <seb128> hey Laney pitti
[08:12] <Laney> but then you get too many exp packages compared to how the Debian buildds do it
[08:13] <pitti> larsu: duuude! Glueckwunsch zum Purzeltag!! *knuddel*
[08:13] <pitti> ça va seb128
[08:13] <Laney> I just use --build-dep-resolver=aptitude
[08:13] <larsu> morning Laney! Thanks :)
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[08:13] <larsu> pitti: dankeschön!!
[08:13] <pitti> seb128: ça va d'accord
[08:13] <Laney> hey didrocks et seb128
[08:13] <Laney> larsu: do you have plans to celebrate?
[08:14] <seb128> pitti, "d'accord" doesn't work well in that context
[08:14] <larsu> Laney: not really, but I guess I should given that it's a round birthday
[08:14] <Laney> happy 25th!
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: ah, comment tu dis ça ?
[08:15] <larsu> Laney: I'm only 0x20 ;)
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, tu veux dire quoi ? "ça aussi aussi" ?
[08:15] <seb128> ups
[08:15] <seb128> "ça va aussi"
[08:15] <pitti> Laney: and yes, _source.changes uploads do work now \o/
[08:15] <seb128> in Debian?
[08:15] <Laney> wait
[08:15] <Laney> really?
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: now *that* sounds strange :)
[08:15] <Laney> I thought you still had to include the _all packages
[08:15] <seb128> lol
[08:16] <pitti> Laney: yeah -- it apparently wasn't announced anywhere, but I did a source upload recently after Q-FUNK pointed it out
[08:16]  * Laney is going to try this
[08:16] <seb128> it working was a bug or feature?
[08:16] <pitti> Laney: yes -- welcome in the 3rd millenium!
[08:16] <seb128> so it's full source upload?
[08:16] <pitti> seb128: well, Debian has worked towards this for a long time, so I'd consider it a feature :)
[08:16] <pitti> seb128: yes, just like ubuntu
[08:16] <seb128> or is it source+deb where deb are discarded
[08:16] <pitti> seb128: no, just _source
[08:16] <seb128> k
[08:17] <seb128> unsure why they had to "work toward" it, it seems a trivial change
[08:17] <pitti> well, I'm sure source+_all also works still, but I never tried that
[08:17] <pitti> I don't mind sbuilding stuff, and do that for an adt-run round anyway
[08:17] <davmor2> pitti: oh come on you trying to say seb128 is 3000 years old now, cause I don't believe that at all
[08:17] <seb128> I though it was more that they wanted to force the .deb to be uploaded to ensure you built locally and don't upload something that doesn't build
[08:17] <pitti> but it's useful for e. g. arch: i386 packages, as I don't have an i386 schroot
[08:17] <pitti> (I often sponsor -geode uploads)
[08:18] <pitti> davmor2: no, he looks no older than 2900!
[08:18] <pitti> seb128: yeah, as if that ever actually helped :)
[08:19] <seb128> yeah, don't tell me
[08:19] <seb128> so maybe I can upload to Debian again :p
[08:20] <pitti> seb128: well, it's certainly not the trivial task of calling mk-sbuild sid that kept you from it :)
[08:20] <pitti> it's more like "no time to maintain stuff there", I would guess?
[08:20] <seb128> pitti, no, it's more than my disk is a 80G and I'm navigating to < 1G space and don't have room for a Debian chroot or vm
[08:21] <seb128> + that
[08:21] <pitti> wow
[08:21] <seb128> but sometime I want to push easy bugfixes to Debian and sync back
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: you managed to get an 80 GB SSD? or do you have windows on that too, or something?
[08:22] <pitti> /dev/sda3              224G    117G  106G   53% /
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, yeah, time to buy a new laptop
[08:22] <pitti> but I have tons of VMs etc.
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, my laptop is almost 6 years old...
[08:22] <seb128> it was the standard ssd by then
[08:22] <Laney> I ordered my new one last night
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: ah, you skipped the previous refresh?
[08:22] <Laney> xps 13 baby!
[08:22] <pitti> Laney: new toys *slobbering*
[08:23] <seb128> pitti, sort of, I'm looking for a new laptop for a while but didn't find the perfect one
[08:23] <seb128> and I'm still happy enough with mine that I don't feel like I have to change
[08:23] <seb128> I was close from taking the xps for a while, but the previous generation has coil noise issues
[08:24] <seb128> I'm also unsure if 13" is big enough of a screen, but at the same time I want a light laptop...
[08:24] <pitti> I got along really well with 128 GB, but 80 is a bit thin indeed; I guess the biggest things are music and photos, the rest should be almost negligible
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: 12" plus external >= 24" monitor :)
[08:25] <seb128> hehe
[08:25] <seb128> the xps also don't do docking
[08:25] <seb128> but I guess I can just plug the cables manually
[08:25] <pitti> yeah, that's a bit annoying
[08:25] <pitti> but then again, I don't actually move it around that often, maybe once every other week
[08:26] <pitti> but it's surprising how many cables stick out
[08:26]  * pitti counts 9
[08:26] <seb128> I often take the laptop in the living room/in front of TV in the evening
[08:26] <pitti> then I guess you really do want a dock
[08:26] <seb128> yeah, but then I'm back to heavy models :-/
[08:26] <seb128> I might just keep my old laptop docked as a desktop
[08:27] <seb128> and get a light one for walking around, conferences, etc
[08:27] <seb128> Laney, you are decided on the xps?
[08:27] <pitti> seb128: both thinkpad and latitudes are available in 12" and are dockable
[08:27] <pitti> (or 13" if you prefer)
[08:28] <pitti> not sure about the HP ncXXXX ones, whether they are dockable
[08:29] <seb128> I don't want a thinkpad
[08:29]  * seb128 looks again at the latitude models
[08:30] <Laney> seb128: Yeah I was going to get the x1 carbon but then reviews tipped me in favour of the xps
[08:30] <Laney> plus it was like £400 cheaper
[08:30] <seb128> good man
[08:30] <seb128> and it comes with Ubuntu preinstalled :-)
[08:31] <Laney> yes, Ubuntu Linux 14.04 SP1!
[08:31] <seb128> and it's not lenovo and their self signed certificates crap business
[08:31] <seb128> (hate lenovo)
[08:33]  * larsu mumbles something about loving his x1
[08:33] <willcooke> fighting talk
[08:33] <larsu> might as well talk about emacs...
[08:33] <willcooke> #teamlenovo
[08:33] <seb128> lol
[08:34] <seb128> enjoy China spying on you :p
[08:34] <larsu> lol. like dell is building everything in the us?
[08:34] <willcooke> NO CARRIER
[08:34] <larsu> (and even so...)
[08:34] <seb128> larsu, I give them more credit that I do to Lenovo (maybe I'm wrong but that's my position :p)
[08:35] <seb128> hum, I wish the google event change events had more details
[08:36] <seb128> willcooke, that afternoon meeting, you changed it to half an hour later, right?
[08:36] <willcooke> seb128, yeah, if you can.  Just had a meeting moved in to that exact slot
[08:36] <willcooke> :(
[08:36] <seb128> those emails tell you something changed, but not what and from what to what
[08:36] <seb128> yeah, no problem
[08:36] <seb128> it's just like "date changed, go figure what the change is"
[08:36] <willcooke> yeah, seems you have to view it in Gmail to get the details
[08:37] <seb128> oh, you get details in gmail?
[08:37] <seb128> I'm using the canonical imap server, so no luck there
[08:37] <willcooke> Why am I not surprised
[08:37] <willcooke> ;)
[08:37] <willcooke> You guys should totally adopt Gmail
[08:37] <seb128> :-)
[08:37] <pitti> go away!
[08:38] <seb128> lol
[08:38] <willcooke> #leeroyjenkins
[08:38] <seb128> hehe
[08:38]  * pitti draws the gauntlet :)
[08:38] <willcooke> :D
[08:38] <pitti> oh, it's not Friday yet
[08:38] <ochosi> Laney: woot! i also ordered an xps13 last night!
[08:38] <willcooke> Close enough I think
[08:39] <didrocks> offset by 1… those kinds of bugs wouldn't be the first one…
[08:39]  * Laney high fives ochosi 
[08:39] <ochosi> \o/
[08:40] <ochosi> i really loved the "Service Pack 1" part :)
[08:40] <seb128> indeed
[08:40] <ochosi> seb128: actually i saw a docking station for the xps13. you connect a single usb and get all kinds of connectors iirc
[08:40] <seb128> ochosi, which one did you take?
[08:41] <seb128> ochosi, oh, interesting, desrt mentioned something like that iirc
[08:41] <ochosi> the cheaper version with 1920x1080 display. battery life ftw!
[08:41] <ochosi> yeah, the dock isn't cheap though, something around 200€
[08:41] <seb128> right, that's what got me hesitating, the screen
[08:41] <seb128> 3200+ touch screen sounds nice
[08:42] <ochosi> http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=at&l=de&cs=atdhs1&sku=452-BBOT&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=5&~ck=dellSearch
[08:42] <seb128> ochosi, thanks
[08:42] <ochosi> yeah, QHD sounds nice, i wouldn't know what to use it for though
[08:42] <ochosi> i have almost no content for that resolution
[08:43] <seb128> right, the resolution is too high for me, I don't really need it
[08:43] <seb128> but having a touch screen is good
[08:43] <ochosi> thing with that docking station is that i have no clue whether it works with linux
[08:43] <seb128> why wouldn't it?
[08:43] <ochosi> hmwell, no clue, i've never had a docking station :)
[08:44] <seb128> I don't think there is anything that needs to be piloted from the OS side
[08:44] <ochosi> and it's just a single usb3.0 connector, that sounds like black magic to me!
[08:44] <seb128> it's just connectivity
[08:44] <ochosi> also, the package contains a CD (!) with drivers to install
[08:45] <ochosi> which is fun, cause the xps13 doesnt have an optical drive
[08:46] <ochosi> seb128: also, this: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/software-os/f/3525/t/19618020
[08:47] <seb128> https://plus.google.com/102511090413262027684/posts/JWNYPitUrGT
[08:47] <seb128> hum :/
[08:48] <ochosi> yeah
[08:48] <ochosi> display is the problem, and without that it doesn't make much sense
[09:21]  * Sweet5hark is late to the warparty against gmail.
[09:21] <Sweet5hark> oh its postponed to friday?
[09:22]  * Sweet5hark will bring a ballista and greek fire.
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: meh, sucks
[09:50] <pitti> after all, you want a dock mostly for the monitor..
[09:50] <seb128> yeah :-/
[11:06] <tjaalton> right, no way to make it work because of displaylink black magic
[11:07] <tjaalton> but in the near future there should be docks with usb-c, which will be able to carry displayport
[11:13] <Laney> can't remember the last time I plugged a monitor into my laptop
[11:13]  * Laney has simple needs :-)
[11:16] <didrocks> hum… I think I remember… it was… hum… 5 hours ago!
[11:16] <Laney> NOPE
[11:16]  * Laney has a desktop
[11:16] <didrocks> talking about myself :p
[11:16]  * didrocks doesn't have a desktop, I have *the* ubuntu desktop :)
[11:16] <Laney> the original one from 2004
[11:16] <didrocks> \m/
[11:42] <Saviq> anyone else's compose key stopped working recently in 15.04? whatever I assign it to (I usually have it at CapsLock), any chars I type go in as-is
[12:22] <pitti> tiny data point: I have it on ScrollLock, and it's working fine
[13:39]  * qengho afk, errand.
[15:30] <seb128> didrocks, hey, I'm looking at getting that snappy image built, can you summarize what you did/where you left things?
[15:30] <didrocks> sure thing
[15:30] <seb128> thanks :-)
[15:30] <didrocks> yw, see you tomorrow :-)
[15:31] <didrocks> :p
[15:31] <didrocks> I worked on repurposing the "desktop next" build
[15:31] <didrocks> I'm unsure the current plan is still that one
[15:31] <didrocks> everything was ready AFAIK, just needed to be put in production
[15:31] <didrocks> so, if we are going to reuse the desktop next image, here are the changes:
[15:32] <didrocks> there was the livecd-rootfs changes: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/livecd-rootfs/desktop-next/+merge/257056
[15:32] <didrocks> I'm happy to rebase on current trunk
[15:32] <didrocks> the MP was already approved
[15:32] <didrocks> so the hooks for transforming the image to system images are there, it will need a package upload
[15:32] <didrocks> second, the seed needed to change:
[15:32] <didrocks> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid/+merge/257059
[15:32] <didrocks> again, an approved MP
[15:33] <didrocks> this is what I identified as being needed to get the snappy components to the next image
[15:33] <seb128> k
[15:33] <didrocks> need of course pushing the seed + metapackage upload
[15:33] <seb128> so the image build setup is similar
[15:33] <didrocks> thirdly, there is: the image build change
[15:33] <seb128> can you rebase the livecd-rootfs changes or maybe even upload it?
[15:34] <seb128> I'm happy to upload if you prefer
[15:34] <didrocks> well, if I rebase, I can upload :p
[15:34] <didrocks> so yeah, we need to have finally colin pushing https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-next-system-image/+merge/257057 in production
[15:34] <didrocks> in coordination to that change, Laney needs to push some config triggers
[15:34] <didrocks> (we discussed about it during the sprint
[15:34] <didrocks> )
[15:35] <didrocks> with all those 3 things done, desktop-next should become a snappy image-base system
[15:35] <didrocks> seb128: I'm happy to do the livecd-rootfs + touch seed tomorrow morning
[15:35] <seb128> didrocks, great, thanks
[15:35] <didrocks> yw
[15:36] <seb128> I can nag Colin about the cdimage change
[15:36] <Laney> there was something to edit on launchpad, is that what you mean?
[15:36] <didrocks> good
[15:36] <didrocks> Laney: yep
[15:36] <Laney> okay
[15:36] <didrocks> just a warning, this was for desktop-next to become a snappy one
[15:36] <didrocks> I guess because of "ubuntu personal", that wasn't the plan, but I didn't follow recent discussions
[15:36] <didrocks> at least, that would give you some templates to where to look at
[15:37] <Laney> is personal the same thing?
[15:37] <didrocks> yeah, but management wanted to have directly a phone + desktop thing rather than starting from one for phone and one for desktop and converging
[15:38] <didrocks> that's where I left the discussion, don't know more
[15:38] <Laney> oh, who cares about the name, you can just tweak the seeds for that surely
[15:39] <didrocks> I didn't, some did apparently :)
[15:43] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, I don't care much about the image details/name
[15:43] <seb128> I just want something up we can play with
[15:43] <seb128> to start
[15:43] <seb128> then if they want rename or changes we can discuss/see
[15:44] <didrocks> seb128: ok, that's then supposed to be ready
[15:44] <seb128> great
[15:44] <didrocks> well for the definition of "ready" before pushing the build button :)
[15:44] <seb128> thanks again for the work you did on that/the explanations
[15:44] <didrocks> yw!
[15:44] <didrocks> I hope that will give us to at least 95% there
[15:45] <Laney> they always fail the first time
[15:45] <Laney> that's the fun :)
[15:45] <didrocks> Laney: let's strech goals! :)
[16:27]  * didrocks waves good evening
[16:58] <willcooke> seb128, I created a 32bit bootloader a little while ago to get some 2in1 device to see the USB stick as a valid boot device
[16:58] <willcooke> I had to compile it and copy it in to an unpacked image
[16:59] <willcooke> then copy the lot over to a USB stick
[16:59] <willcooke> Do you think that might help?
[16:59] <willcooke> I can look up what I did
[16:59] <willcooke> (tomorrow)
[17:00] <seb128> willcooke, thanks, but not really, we should fix the image to properly support uefi
[17:00] <willcooke> ack
[17:03] <jhodapp> seb128, +1
[17:16]  * willcooke -> EOD