[05:12] Good morning [06:02] Laaaaaneeeeeeyyyy [06:02] Laney: Debian bug 787047, s'il te plaît ? [06:02] Debian bug 787047 in gir1.2-glib-2.0 "gir1.2-glib-2.0: uninstallable in sid, depends on glib in experimental" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/787047 [06:06] good morning [06:15] hey didrocks [06:19] morning pitti [06:27] morning! [06:28] hey larsu! [07:15] good morning desktopers! [07:37] moin! [07:37] LibreOffice hackers invading my home today ... [07:38] Sweet5hark: moin moin! Big hackfest? [07:40] larsu: no, just a small home hacking were we bring together some local hackers. some people on vacation, some on sick leave, so will end up with just three heads this time prolly. [07:40] Sweet5hark: have fun in any case! [07:40] aye [07:53] o/ [07:55] morning willcooke [07:55] hi willcooke [08:02] hey willcooke [08:04] pitti: ah crap, dirty chroot I guess [08:05] thanks for spotting! [08:09] Laney: no worries -- was easy to spot, my sid and experimental chroots are useless for building systemd :) [08:10] I managed to use jessie and install libapparmor from sid [08:10] * Laney fixes pinnification [08:10] hey larsu, happy birthday! [08:10] Laney: I use http://paste.ubuntu.com/11407416/ [08:10] and hello everyone else! [08:11] pitti: woah, this pins *up* experimental? [08:11] Laney: so that when I call my "sid" schroot as experimental, it adjusts apt pinning for exp only in that sessino [08:12] Laney: sure -- by default it's pinned down [08:12] the problem for me is that my local repo needs to be pinned down [08:12] it's safe to leave exp apt sources in unstable, you have to use it explicitly (with -t or pinning) [08:12] so I just keep a sid schroot and that sbuild hook [08:12] morning Laney! [08:12] hey Laney pitti [08:12] but then you get too many exp packages compared to how the Debian buildds do it [08:13] larsu: duuude! Glueckwunsch zum Purzeltag!! *knuddel* [08:13] ça va seb128 [08:13] I just use --build-dep-resolver=aptitude [08:13] morning Laney! Thanks :) [08:13] pitti, oui, et toi ? [08:13] pitti: dankeschön!! [08:13] seb128: ça va d'accord [08:13] hey didrocks et seb128 [08:13] larsu: do you have plans to celebrate? [08:14] pitti, "d'accord" doesn't work well in that context === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [08:14] Laney: not really, but I guess I should given that it's a round birthday [08:14] happy 25th! [08:14] seb128: ah, comment tu dis ça ? [08:15] Laney: I'm only 0x20 ;) [08:15] pitti, tu veux dire quoi ? "ça aussi aussi" ? [08:15] ups [08:15] "ça va aussi" [08:15] Laney: and yes, _source.changes uploads do work now \o/ [08:15] in Debian? [08:15] wait [08:15] really? [08:15] seb128: now *that* sounds strange :) [08:15] I thought you still had to include the _all packages [08:15] lol [08:16] Laney: yeah -- it apparently wasn't announced anywhere, but I did a source upload recently after Q-FUNK pointed it out [08:16] * Laney is going to try this [08:16] it working was a bug or feature? [08:16] Laney: yes -- welcome in the 3rd millenium! [08:16] so it's full source upload? [08:16] seb128: well, Debian has worked towards this for a long time, so I'd consider it a feature :) [08:16] seb128: yes, just like ubuntu [08:16] or is it source+deb where deb are discarded [08:16] seb128: no, just _source [08:16] k [08:17] unsure why they had to "work toward" it, it seems a trivial change [08:17] well, I'm sure source+_all also works still, but I never tried that [08:17] I don't mind sbuilding stuff, and do that for an adt-run round anyway [08:17] pitti: oh come on you trying to say seb128 is 3000 years old now, cause I don't believe that at all [08:17] I though it was more that they wanted to force the .deb to be uploaded to ensure you built locally and don't upload something that doesn't build [08:17] but it's useful for e. g. arch: i386 packages, as I don't have an i386 schroot [08:17] (I often sponsor -geode uploads) [08:18] davmor2: no, he looks no older than 2900! [08:18] seb128: yeah, as if that ever actually helped :) [08:19] yeah, don't tell me [08:19] so maybe I can upload to Debian again :p [08:20] seb128: well, it's certainly not the trivial task of calling mk-sbuild sid that kept you from it :) [08:20] it's more like "no time to maintain stuff there", I would guess? [08:20] pitti, no, it's more than my disk is a 80G and I'm navigating to < 1G space and don't have room for a Debian chroot or vm [08:21] + that [08:21] wow [08:21] but sometime I want to push easy bugfixes to Debian and sync back [08:22] seb128: you managed to get an 80 GB SSD? or do you have windows on that too, or something? [08:22] /dev/sda3 224G 117G 106G 53% / [08:22] pitti, yeah, time to buy a new laptop [08:22] but I have tons of VMs etc. [08:22] pitti, my laptop is almost 6 years old... [08:22] it was the standard ssd by then [08:22] I ordered my new one last night [08:22] seb128: ah, you skipped the previous refresh? [08:22] xps 13 baby! [08:22] Laney: new toys *slobbering* [08:23] pitti, sort of, I'm looking for a new laptop for a while but didn't find the perfect one [08:23] and I'm still happy enough with mine that I don't feel like I have to change [08:23] I was close from taking the xps for a while, but the previous generation has coil noise issues [08:24] I'm also unsure if 13" is big enough of a screen, but at the same time I want a light laptop... [08:24] I got along really well with 128 GB, but 80 is a bit thin indeed; I guess the biggest things are music and photos, the rest should be almost negligible [08:24] seb128: 12" plus external >= 24" monitor :) [08:25] hehe [08:25] the xps also don't do docking [08:25] but I guess I can just plug the cables manually [08:25] yeah, that's a bit annoying [08:25] but then again, I don't actually move it around that often, maybe once every other week [08:26] but it's surprising how many cables stick out [08:26] * pitti counts 9 [08:26] I often take the laptop in the living room/in front of TV in the evening [08:26] then I guess you really do want a dock [08:26] yeah, but then I'm back to heavy models :-/ [08:26] I might just keep my old laptop docked as a desktop [08:27] and get a light one for walking around, conferences, etc [08:27] Laney, you are decided on the xps? [08:27] seb128: both thinkpad and latitudes are available in 12" and are dockable [08:27] (or 13" if you prefer) [08:28] not sure about the HP ncXXXX ones, whether they are dockable [08:29] I don't want a thinkpad [08:29] * seb128 looks again at the latitude models [08:30] seb128: Yeah I was going to get the x1 carbon but then reviews tipped me in favour of the xps [08:30] plus it was like £400 cheaper [08:30] good man [08:30] and it comes with Ubuntu preinstalled :-) [08:31] yes, Ubuntu Linux 14.04 SP1! [08:31] and it's not lenovo and their self signed certificates crap business [08:31] (hate lenovo) [08:33] * larsu mumbles something about loving his x1 [08:33] fighting talk [08:33] might as well talk about emacs... [08:33] #teamlenovo [08:33] lol [08:34] enjoy China spying on you :p [08:34] lol. like dell is building everything in the us? [08:34] NO CARRIER [08:34] (and even so...) [08:34] larsu, I give them more credit that I do to Lenovo (maybe I'm wrong but that's my position :p) [08:35] hum, I wish the google event change events had more details [08:36] willcooke, that afternoon meeting, you changed it to half an hour later, right? [08:36] seb128, yeah, if you can. Just had a meeting moved in to that exact slot [08:36] :( [08:36] those emails tell you something changed, but not what and from what to what [08:36] yeah, no problem [08:36] it's just like "date changed, go figure what the change is" [08:36] yeah, seems you have to view it in Gmail to get the details [08:37] oh, you get details in gmail? [08:37] I'm using the canonical imap server, so no luck there [08:37] Why am I not surprised [08:37] ;) [08:37] You guys should totally adopt Gmail [08:37] :-) [08:37] go away! [08:38] lol [08:38] #leeroyjenkins [08:38] hehe [08:38] * pitti draws the gauntlet :) [08:38] :D [08:38] oh, it's not Friday yet [08:38] Laney: woot! i also ordered an xps13 last night! [08:38] Close enough I think [08:39] offset by 1… those kinds of bugs wouldn't be the first one… [08:39] * Laney high fives ochosi [08:39] \o/ [08:40] i really loved the "Service Pack 1" part :) [08:40] indeed [08:40] seb128: actually i saw a docking station for the xps13. you connect a single usb and get all kinds of connectors iirc [08:40] ochosi, which one did you take? [08:41] ochosi, oh, interesting, desrt mentioned something like that iirc [08:41] the cheaper version with 1920x1080 display. battery life ftw! [08:41] yeah, the dock isn't cheap though, something around 200€ [08:41] right, that's what got me hesitating, the screen [08:41] 3200+ touch screen sounds nice [08:42] http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=at&l=de&cs=atdhs1&sku=452-BBOT&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=5&~ck=dellSearch [08:42] ochosi, thanks [08:42] yeah, QHD sounds nice, i wouldn't know what to use it for though [08:42] i have almost no content for that resolution [08:43] right, the resolution is too high for me, I don't really need it [08:43] but having a touch screen is good [08:43] thing with that docking station is that i have no clue whether it works with linux [08:43] why wouldn't it? [08:43] hmwell, no clue, i've never had a docking station :) [08:44] I don't think there is anything that needs to be piloted from the OS side [08:44] and it's just a single usb3.0 connector, that sounds like black magic to me! [08:44] it's just connectivity [08:44] also, the package contains a CD (!) with drivers to install [08:45] which is fun, cause the xps13 doesnt have an optical drive [08:46] seb128: also, this: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/software-os/f/3525/t/19618020 [08:47] https://plus.google.com/102511090413262027684/posts/JWNYPitUrGT [08:47] hum :/ [08:48] yeah [08:48] display is the problem, and without that it doesn't make much sense [09:21] * Sweet5hark is late to the warparty against gmail. [09:21] oh its postponed to friday? [09:22] * Sweet5hark will bring a ballista and greek fire. [09:50] seb128: meh, sucks [09:50] after all, you want a dock mostly for the monitor.. [09:50] yeah :-/ === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:06] right, no way to make it work because of displaylink black magic [11:07] but in the near future there should be docks with usb-c, which will be able to carry displayport [11:13] can't remember the last time I plugged a monitor into my laptop [11:13] * Laney has simple needs :-) [11:16] hum… I think I remember… it was… hum… 5 hours ago! [11:16] NOPE [11:16] * Laney has a desktop [11:16] talking about myself :p [11:16] * didrocks doesn't have a desktop, I have *the* ubuntu desktop :) [11:16] the original one from 2004 [11:16] \m/ [11:42] anyone else's compose key stopped working recently in 15.04? whatever I assign it to (I usually have it at CapsLock), any chars I type go in as-is === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === mzanetti is now known as mzanetti|run [12:22] tiny data point: I have it on ScrollLock, and it's working fine === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === greyback__ is now known as greyback === mzanetti|run is now known as mzanetti === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:39] * qengho afk, errand. [15:30] didrocks, hey, I'm looking at getting that snappy image built, can you summarize what you did/where you left things? [15:30] sure thing [15:30] thanks :-) [15:30] yw, see you tomorrow :-) [15:31] :p [15:31] I worked on repurposing the "desktop next" build [15:31] I'm unsure the current plan is still that one [15:31] everything was ready AFAIK, just needed to be put in production [15:31] so, if we are going to reuse the desktop next image, here are the changes: [15:32] there was the livecd-rootfs changes: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/livecd-rootfs/desktop-next/+merge/257056 [15:32] I'm happy to rebase on current trunk [15:32] the MP was already approved [15:32] so the hooks for transforming the image to system images are there, it will need a package upload [15:32] second, the seed needed to change: [15:32] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid/+merge/257059 [15:32] again, an approved MP [15:33] this is what I identified as being needed to get the snappy components to the next image [15:33] k [15:33] need of course pushing the seed + metapackage upload [15:33] so the image build setup is similar [15:33] thirdly, there is: the image build change [15:33] can you rebase the livecd-rootfs changes or maybe even upload it? [15:34] I'm happy to upload if you prefer [15:34] well, if I rebase, I can upload :p [15:34] so yeah, we need to have finally colin pushing https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-next-system-image/+merge/257057 in production [15:34] in coordination to that change, Laney needs to push some config triggers [15:34] (we discussed about it during the sprint [15:34] ) [15:35] with all those 3 things done, desktop-next should become a snappy image-base system [15:35] seb128: I'm happy to do the livecd-rootfs + touch seed tomorrow morning [15:35] didrocks, great, thanks [15:35] yw [15:36] I can nag Colin about the cdimage change [15:36] there was something to edit on launchpad, is that what you mean? [15:36] good [15:36] Laney: yep [15:36] okay [15:36] just a warning, this was for desktop-next to become a snappy one [15:36] I guess because of "ubuntu personal", that wasn't the plan, but I didn't follow recent discussions [15:36] at least, that would give you some templates to where to look at [15:37] is personal the same thing? [15:37] yeah, but management wanted to have directly a phone + desktop thing rather than starting from one for phone and one for desktop and converging [15:38] that's where I left the discussion, don't know more [15:38] oh, who cares about the name, you can just tweak the seeds for that surely [15:39] I didn't, some did apparently :) [15:43] didrocks, yeah, I don't care much about the image details/name [15:43] I just want something up we can play with [15:43] to start [15:43] then if they want rename or changes we can discuss/see [15:44] seb128: ok, that's then supposed to be ready [15:44] great [15:44] well for the definition of "ready" before pushing the build button :) [15:44] thanks again for the work you did on that/the explanations [15:44] yw! [15:44] I hope that will give us to at least 95% there [15:45] they always fail the first time [15:45] that's the fun :) [15:45] Laney: let's strech goals! :) [16:27] * didrocks waves good evening [16:58] seb128, I created a 32bit bootloader a little while ago to get some 2in1 device to see the USB stick as a valid boot device [16:58] I had to compile it and copy it in to an unpacked image [16:59] then copy the lot over to a USB stick [16:59] Do you think that might help? [16:59] I can look up what I did [16:59] (tomorrow) [17:00] willcooke, thanks, but not really, we should fix the image to properly support uefi [17:00] ack [17:03] seb128, +1 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:16] * willcooke -> EOD