[00:32] <diddledan> m00
[00:32] <mapps> moo
[00:32] <mapps> gonna watch Maggie now
[00:33] <diddledan> maggie thatcher?
[00:34] <mapps> nah arnie film
[00:35] <mapps> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1881002/
[00:57] <diddledan> hah, I just reminded myself of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDMSound
[00:57] <diddledan> that takes me way back!
[00:59] <diddledan> ah yes, I added maggie to my magic-machine a while back. It's still hunting for it.
[01:00] <daftykins> just roll on down to Blockbuster
[01:00]  * daftykins giggles
[01:12] <diddledan> I've been wandering over the windows uservoice feedback/voting site - looking specifically at console-related features. I've just posted my own awesome idea for them to consider: https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/266908-command-prompt/suggestions/8138868-decouple-cmd-and-powershell-from-main-windows-upda
[01:14] <daftykins> o rry
[01:28] <diddledan> and another: https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/266908-command-prompt/suggestions/8139015-cmd-powershell-windows-thingies-o
[01:29] <mapps> 108gb of csi eps comng wn atm
[01:30] <mapps> ;]
[01:30] <diddledan> eep
[01:31] <daftykins> o0
[01:31] <daftykins> must be pauper quality ;)
[01:32] <diddledan> what do we want? moar thingies!
[01:36] <mapps> hdt
[01:36] <mapps> v
[01:36] <diddledan> ooh, it's googley IO today
[01:36] <mapps> not 720p/1080 but thats enough for me
[01:39] <daftykins> ;/
[01:39] <daftykins> i've got a handful of eps from years ago of CSI, never tried though
[01:40] <daftykins> i tried the first episode of the amazon Prime Instant Video interpretation of 'Bosch' the book series though the other day
[01:40] <daftykins> that was kinda neat
[02:23] <diddledan_> and I'mback in the room!
[02:23] <daftykins> o0
[02:23] <diddledan_> s/room/channel./
[02:24] <daftykins> "oh hey i'll save power by turning my right LCD off..."
[02:24] <daftykins> *goes to type*
[02:24] <daftykins> oh yeah, kb + mouse receiver plugged into that one ¬_¬
[02:24] <daftykins> (USB)
[02:24] <diddledan_> oops
[02:24] <diddledan_> lol
[02:24] <daftykins> :D
[02:24] <diddledan_> I do silly things like that
[02:24] <zmoylan-pi> press f1 to continue... :-)
[02:24] <daftykins> my cat is asleep on a towel on the floor
[02:25] <daftykins> it's for wash so that's ok but, damn how many places does a cat need a bed :D
[02:25] <diddledan_> always know where your towel is!
[02:25] <daftykins> sweet she likes to always be nea rme though i guess
[02:25] <zmoylan-pi> see the new japanese hoodies with a pouch for kitties?
[02:25] <daftykins> :O
[02:25] <daftykins> i have not
[02:26] <diddledan_> I am struggling to remain family friendly
[02:26] <daftykins> i wonder if she'd like the pouch in normal hoodies XD
[02:26] <daftykins> http://geekologie.com/2015/05/22/cat-pouch-hoodie-1.jpg
[02:26] <daftykins> wow.
[02:26] <diddledan_> nawww
[02:26] <diddledan_> too koote
[02:27] <diddledan_> that's a really pretty cat, too
[02:27] <diddledan_> I like how the strings on the hood are cat-toy-style
[02:27] <daftykins> :D
[02:29] <zmoylan-pi> you could probably stow a laptop there when kitty isn't using it :-)
[02:29] <daftykins> that's usually why she's not on the lap to begin with
[02:29] <daftykins> laptop has beaten her to it
[02:30] <daftykins> ok i should not be here!
[02:30] <daftykins> g'night o/
[02:51] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[03:15] <diddledan_> I should prolly get a bitta shuteye
[03:15] <diddledan_> I'm going on 48 hours
[03:21] <zmoylan-pi> i've had my 4 hours of sleep :-/
[05:03] <mapps> woah
[05:03] <mapps> 48hrs
[05:03] <mapps> no sleep?!
[05:54] <knightwise> hey everyone
[05:55] <knightwise> finally got elementary installed on the mac mini
[05:55] <knightwise> took me a friggin dvd install do get it done
[06:01] <mapps> ;]
[06:21] <knightwise> I swear , Ive been doing some linux-rage quits lately ...
[06:21] <knightwise> somehow it seems to be fighting me every step of the way.
[06:22] <knightwise> Just now it won't come out of suspend, I still have an issue where I get dropped into grub after i boot (when I type exit it just boots)
[06:22] <knightwise> and the ati driver messes up Chrome untill i do a complete redraw of the window
[06:22] <knightwise> This stuff used to be a tad more reliable.
[06:23] <knightwise> I'm on the very cusp of getting me a dell xps13 and now i'm serioiusly considering buying the Windows version and just running Ubuntu in a fullscreen VM
[06:24] <knightwise> I am starting to understand why a lot of linux enthousiasts love the chromebook so muchn.
[07:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:04] <SuperMatt> good morning
[07:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:32] <MooDoo> morining
[07:34] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:18] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:18] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[08:18] <bigcalm> intrbiz: do you want a Shropgeek t-shirt?
[08:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: ow am ya
[08:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: crackin lad
[08:20] <MooDoo> you?
[08:21] <davmor2> looking forward to friday week off woohoo!
[08:31] <bashrc_> morning
[08:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: nice
[09:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Amnesty International Day! 😃
[09:20] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:22] <JamesTait> \o MooDoo
[09:33] <diddledan_> *yawn*
[09:34] <JamesTait> My sentiments exactly.
[09:35] <diddledan_> I wonder what shiny we're in-store for from googley hi-ho (IO) later today?
[09:37]  * dutchie looking forward to the second test match more!
[09:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: there is a day for everyone but why celebrate those who Am Nasty :D On a more serious note a sensible day to celebrate \o/
[09:38] <JamesTait> davmor2, Yow am nasty. 😝
[09:39] <diddledan_> this is a bit of politics for ya'll: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/kubuntu-project-lead-asked-to-step-down-by-ubuntu-community-council
[09:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: Have I ever declared myself anything else 😝
[09:41] <JamesTait> To be fair, no, you haven't. 😝
[09:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: In fact I declare myself as evil to the core :D
[09:42] <JamesTait> Yeah, but we all know you're soft as...
[09:42] <davmor2> JamesTait: shhh don't let on that I really care about stuff
[09:43]  * JamesTait zips it.
[09:49] <intrbiz> bigcalm: oh yes
[09:53] <bigcalm> intrbiz: what size? I took a large
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan_: Take the lot of them into a quiet room, bash some heads together, solve problem. Storm/teacup
[09:57] <diddledan_> lol
[09:58] <diddledan_> I kinda see both sides but if the decisions of the UCC aren't upheld then it defeats the purpose of having the council
[09:59] <MooDoo> seems like someone has it in for jonathn
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> All I know is that JR asked for clarification on some point and didn't accept the answer for whatever reason. What I can't seem to find anywhere is what JR actually *did* to get peoples' backs up.
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Did he call the UCC "Big, stinky poos" or something?
[10:00] <popey> because the cc list isn't public
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Ah, OK. Well that explains that then
[10:00] <popey> so any mails to the cc are private
[10:00] <popey> although scottk seems to have published some of them
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> I can see the headlines now "popey admits UCC is clandestine cabal!" :-P
[10:01] <popey> having been on the cc in the past, yeah, sure, whatever
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> popey: It was a joke playing on the tabloid press penchant for making screaming headlines out of nothing.
[10:01] <intrbiz> bigcalm: XL I expect
[10:02] <popey> sure
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> I actually expect the whole thing to blow over in a month or so once the dust settles and emotions abate. These things usually do.
[10:02] <bigcalm> intrbiz: okay, I'll let Kirsty know and she'll bring one along on Monday
[10:02] <popey> perhaps
[10:02] <intrbiz> bigcalm: cool ok
[10:03] <popey> some people have invested some effort on stirring this up
[10:03] <popey> I don't see those individuals dropping it
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> Wouldn't that be against the CoC?
[10:07] <popey> some people skirt close to the code of conduct
[10:07] <popey> but it's not just about a set of rules codified in the coc
[10:08] <popey> it's about people being respectful to others, and being someone you can work with
[10:08] <popey> i think the CC felt it couldn't work with riddell
[10:08] <popey> so whether that's a CoC violation or not, it's not a tenable situation
[10:09] <diddledan_> I read that he's still allowed to be a developer, just not lead.
[10:09] <popey> Yes.
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> Indeed not. I just hope cooler heads prevail. It is very easy to miss nuance in dead-text and fly off the handle. Or simply mis-type in haste.
[10:09] <diddledan_> there's leadership changes all the time in the business world so I fail to see why it's such a big deal when it happens in community projects
[10:09] <popey> Because the CC were careful not to a) publicly berate him (making future employment harder) and b) prevent him doing his current job
[10:10] <popey> Bit that's all broken by the manufactured rage.
[10:10] <popey> and the cc are blamed, despite specifically attempting to reduce the public impact
[10:10] <popey> also, canonical are blamed, and so is mark
[10:10] <popey> so yeah, great
[10:10] <bashrc_> what's the actual problem?
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Canoncial are *always* blamed! :-D
[10:11] <popey> group A finding person B difficult to work with
[10:11] <popey> true dat
[10:11] <popey> group A tells person B they don't recognise his authority anymore.
[10:11] <popey> <internet explodes>
[10:11] <bashrc_> just another day on irc
[10:12] <popey> group A get blamed for other things, whole thing gets spun by people who aren't involved, but inject themselves into the situation to stir the pot
[10:12] <popey> nobody wins
[10:12] <popey> EOF
[10:12] <TwistedLucidity> popey: We have these explosions all the time. Linus and whatshisname from systemd for example (the kernel spamming thing)
[10:12] <popey> ya
[10:12] <popey> lennart
[10:12] <diddledan_> the register insisted on denigrating Ubuntu in general by referring to us all as "Umbongo land"
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Nah, wasn't thinking him. Just can't recall the dev's name. Not that is matters, all sorted now.
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan_: It's El Reg...what, you expect journalism?
[10:13] <Laney> I think it's worth at least trying to understand the Kubuntu Council's reaction
[10:13] <diddledan_> lol
[10:13] <diddledan_> point. well made.
[10:13] <Laney> One of their colleagues was removed from his position, and as far as they saw it the decision came out of the blue
[10:13] <Laney> I don't think in that sense the anger is manufactured
[10:14] <TwistedLucidity> It's part of the reason I read El Reg. You know a good 50% of the time they have the toungue firmly in their cheek.
[10:14] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: refering to Kay Sievers there
[10:14] <diddledan_> TwistedLucidity: yeah it makes me giggle, too
[10:14] <davmor2> Laney: no it wasn't, the cc and kc were in communications, it was Scott of the KC that published the info that kicked off all the fuss
[10:15] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: Ah, was that who? But like I say, issue now seems to be resolved. Spat -> Swearing (well, Linus was involved) -> Thought -> Resolution
[10:15] <Laney> davmor2: They were informed of a decision after it had been made
[10:16] <Laney> If you read the emails they repeatedly ask for it to be put on hold so that it can be discussed
[10:16] <popey> I agree not telling the KC was a mistake.
[10:16] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: he is one of the systemd devs, Linus tore into him over systemd hooking the 'debug' kernel commandline flag
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: Yup. And IIRC the kernel now has guards against being spammed to death *and* systemd use a different flag or something like that. Another storm/teacup.
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> Communications break down, people reach for handbags. Same with this CC/KC thing. Give it a month or so and it will all be resolved.
[10:18] <JamesTait> Laney, I read it as KC: We're not happy about this. UCC: OK, let's talk about it. KC: Not until you re-instate JR. UCC: Well, let's talk about that as well. KC: No deal. Re-instate JR or we're not talking.
[10:18] <JamesTait> Stand-off ensues.
[10:18] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: yes systemd has a separate flag, all of Linus' rants are storms in teacups
[10:18] <TwistedLucidity> Person A says '1', person B undertands 'square root of pi cubed"...pandemonium ensures.
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: I'd be honoured to be at the end of a Linus rant, would mean I'm worthy of ranting at!
[10:19] <intrbiz> hehe
[10:19] <directhex> "criticism is not acceptable, you must be replaced by someone who will smile & nod more" isn't a good look
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: Can't conclude that from the information at hand IMHO
[10:20] <JamesTait> It's a shitstorm that certainly could have been handled better, probably would have been resolved in private had things been left to run their course, but got stirred up by the usual suspects fanning the flames from the sidelines.
[10:22] <intrbiz> you can hardly remove a project lead 'privately', hence the whole issue
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: Maybe that's a fault of process then. Perhaps there should be some kind of "airing of grievances" prior to such an action?
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> Give both parties a chance to explain themselves. More often that not, that solves the issue if both parties wish to be reasonable.
[10:24] <bashrc_> a grudge match?
[10:24] <TwistedLucidity> Great, now I have MTV's Deathmatch in my head!
[10:25] <intrbiz> you'd expect the CC to at least provide an example of what they thought was against the CoC
[10:25] <bashrc_> yes
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: Maybe they did, but depending on the content it may not be appropriate to make it public.
[10:25] <bashrc_> so they had some disagreement in private?
[10:26] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: sure, at least with Linus' rants they are all public
[10:26] <Laney> He could have done everything they said of him, but the problem that Scott K (mainly) was expressing is that there was a secret trial
[10:27] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: People kind of expect that from Linus though, and he only rants at people/projects who should know better. Can you imagine the press if the CC/Canoncial/Mark went off on one in public?
[10:27] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: by their own logic they'd need to remove themselves if they did
[10:27] <Laney> The leak predictably resulted in a zillion different and not all relevant discussions
[10:28] <directhex> linus's "management style", if you want to call it that, is reprehensible. he gets a free pass because i don't know
[10:30] <directhex> outside FOSSland, terms like "gross professional misconduct" and "constructive dismissal" would be applicable
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: That'd be funny, is a tragic sort of way.
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: Err...not in my experience.
[10:30] <directhex> TwistedLucidity: then you work for terrible people who need a better HR dept
[10:31] <intrbiz> directhex: lkml has a vast amount of traffic, Linus's rants aren't all that frequent
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: Same in every company I've experienced. Sometimes a harsh dressing-down is called for, when it is targeted, repeated and/or without justification; that's a problem
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: But it's newsworthy. As is this CC/KC thing, so it gains traction.
[10:32] <directhex> but that describes linus to a tee
[10:33] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: indeed
[10:40] <davmor2> hey Laney I never did ask how are the windows now?
[10:40] <Laney> need to paint the frames
[10:40] <Laney> and the walls :(
[10:40] <Laney> but the windows themselves are good!
[10:41] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: Wooden?
[10:41] <Laney> ya
[10:42] <Laney> the windows themselves are "wood effect" pvc
[10:42] <Laney> but the rest is wood
[10:42] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: How hard was it to find someone to do the work? I have double-glazed wooden windows on a listed building that'll need done soon(ish)
[10:42] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, "wood effect"? Rats.
[10:42] <Laney> oh I got some quotes for timber windows too
[10:43] <Laney> but they were about twice as expensive so went for this
[10:43] <Laney> you're best off going to specialist companies for that
[10:43] <TwistedLucidity> I thought so
[10:43]  * TwistedLucidity sobs into wallet
[10:43] <Laney> most double glazing companies buy and install uPVC units
[10:43] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah...I'd have the council one to me so fast it would not be funny.
[10:44] <Laney> we were looking at >>4k for 5 windows
[10:45] <TwistedLucidity> Whut?
[10:45] <Laney> that's timber fake sash ones
[10:45] <TwistedLucidity> So £8k for proper timber sash one? Flippin' eck!
[10:45] <directhex> windows are silly expensive
[10:45] <Laney> real sash would be more
[10:45] <Laney> not worth it imho
[10:45] <TwistedLucidity> I have no choice
[10:45] <directhex> like £600 each for basic upvc
[10:45] <Laney> the fake ones look the same from the outside
[10:46] <directhex> cheaper to brick everything up & get some posters that look like outside
[10:46] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: Would still be a breach of the listing
[10:46] <Laney> srsly
[10:46] <Laney> never buy a listed building 8\/
[10:47] <directhex> i considered replacing one static window with an openable one so i could get power outside... decided to just rip up a bush & get an external socket fitted instead
[10:47] <directhex> fraction of the cost
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> Has some advantages. For starters, it looks nice!
[10:49] <TwistedLucidity> I'll have to hire a cherry picker as well. Guess I should speak with the management company as well. If my windows need done, others will too. A job-lot would probably be cheaper.
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> can't you just put a few boxes on a stool on chair on top of a ladder like most? :-P
[12:01] <knightwise> afternoon peeps
[12:03] <MooDoo> howdy
[12:03] <brobostigon> afternoodlings knightwise
[12:03] <diddledan_> nudes?
[12:03] <diddledan_> ohmyy
[12:04] <brobostigon> noodle monster.
[12:06] <knightwise> hey brobostigon , diddledan_
[12:06] <diddledan_> allo
[12:07]  * diddledan_ anticipating googley news
[12:07] <diddledan_> the seven-dwarfs conference starts in a few hours (Googley IO IO it's off to work we go)
[12:07] <knightwise> hmm.. i'm at the very verge of buying a dell XPS13 but i'm kinda getting cord feet
[12:07]  * brobostigon updates his pebble sdk to first non-beta v.3
[12:08] <knightwise> cold feet
[12:08] <diddledan_> knightwise: I'm chilly too :-p
[12:08] <knightwise> I'm gonna have to use it for the company (and take it to meetings and such).. and currently i'm seriously considering getting a surface pro3 and running ubuntu in a fullscreen VM.
[12:09]  * brobostigon is warm, its 15c
[12:11] <knightwise> I'm starting to realise that (especially if you have non-compliant hardware) that a VM is a more stable environment.
[12:12] <knightwise> perhaps its herecy to say so ...
[12:15] <diddledan_> there were rumours several years ago about xen planning a solution that would enable a laptop to run multiple fully-hardware-accelerated (gfx etc) desktop operating systems with seamless switching between them via a hotkey
[12:15] <diddledan_> i.e. not what we currently have with an os within an os
[12:16] <knightwise> I run elementary in a full screen VM on my macbook pro. I can literally swipe between operating systems using a 2 finger swipe on my mouse.
[12:16] <knightwise> I'm ok to tinker and experiment with linux on 'unsupported' hardware when i'm working for Knightwise.com and geeking out .. but when i'm in a company meeting ....
[12:17] <knightwise> im not sure if I dare to take ubuntu out on "the bare metal'
[12:17] <diddledan_> yeah but that's still os-within-vm-on-an-os
[12:18] <diddledan_> the concept I want is the efi boots into a hypervisor which then starts desktop operating systems all on the same level - i.e. you don't have "one super desktop which has dom0 privileges"
[12:20] <diddledan_> I want all the installed operating systems to be equivalent to xen's domU privilege
[12:21] <diddledan_> that way each can be independantly rebooted and you don't have a situation where one desktop gets an update and suddenly you need to shutdown every guest and reboot the entire system
[12:22] <MooDoo> I use ubunt/kvm and glusterfs on my servers at home :D
[12:22] <knightwise> diddledan_: that is indeed a cool way to work.
[12:23] <diddledan_> ubunt. That's Ubu NT the successor to Ubu 98/Me?
[12:23] <diddledan_> :-p
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[12:23] <knightwise> i'm starting to see that with the advent of cloud computing a lot of my workflows are becoming OS agnostic anyway and right now i'm more leaning toward a "unified" device
[12:23] <diddledan_> knightwise: ditto
[12:23] <knightwise> diddledan_: as aposed to ubu Gold and ubu SE
 I'm enjoying win10 :-o
[12:24] <knightwise> diddledan_: so am i
[12:24] <knightwise> MS is not doing a bad job lately
[12:25]  * zmoylan-pi banishes knightwise and diddledan_ to installing vista from floppy once though it will feel like forever.... :-)
[12:27] <knightwise> Nooooh !! I will jump into the mouth of the allmighty sarlack .. but not vista on a floppy
[12:27] <zmoylan-pi> 5.25" floppy...
[12:29] <knightwise> It burrrrnnssss ussss ! (Golumn impression)
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> and of course the 2nd last disk will be wonky
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> but that wasn't my doing :-D
[12:31] <knightwise> Seriously ; think about it. You take a Surface pro 3 (with the cool form factor) and you get the portability and the hybrid form factor.
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> with windows... i'd rather a zx81 with ram pack wobble
[12:56] <knightwise> I know , that bothers me too that it has "windows"
[12:56] <knightwise> but it will run linux fullscreen in a vm perfectly when it comes to hardware support
[13:00] <TheGeek> Afternoon
[13:15] <bigcalm> intrbiz: the prosafe firewall fvs114 doesn't appear to be able to route vlans per port. Not sure what my next option is
[13:33] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ah, use the micro-server?
[13:34] <bigcalm> intrbiz: I guess so
[13:34] <bigcalm> intrbiz: add an extra nic or do it all with the one onboard?
[13:35] <intrbiz> either will work, adding a dual port nic might be the easiest approach
[13:38] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00965J4TS and use the low profile bracket included
[13:39] <intrbiz> bigcalm: what slot do you have? is it low profile?
[13:39] <bigcalm> Yes
[13:39] <bigcalm> Proliant N54L
[13:39] <bigcalm> I think
[13:40] <bigcalm> 40L
[13:40] <bigcalm> N40L
[13:42] <bigcalm> http://n40l.wikia.com/wiki/Base_Hardware_N40L
[13:44] <intrbiz> bigcalm: or: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-412651-001-NC360T-PCIe-Dual-Port-Gigabit-Server-Adapter-Half-Height-/131514202432?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e9edb7940
[13:46] <bigcalm> Or use a usb nic to play around with - reconfiguring the internals of the proliant aren't an every day activity
[13:47] <intrbiz> yeh
[14:04] <intrbiz> bigcalm: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-EXPI9402PTGL20-Pro-1000-Dual-Port-Gigabit-PCI-E-Low-Profile-Network-Card/111677371876?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140328180637%26meid%3D6d307a65a97c4ce1a96683cd6e2b4895%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D121658376022
[14:14] <bigcalm> Tempting to buy it just for my own amusement
[14:15] <popey> you are easily amused
[14:15] <bigcalm> popey: this is well known
[14:16]  * bigcalm wonders what is wrong with this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3Com-3500-48-port-100-Mbit-Network-Switch-Layer-2-3-Fully-Managed-Rackmounted-/201330364499?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ee0399053
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> they're 100 mbit
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> people want gigabit now, at least
[14:17] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: 1000 is over kill in this office
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: where I'm from, office internet speeds are at least 250Mbit/s
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> so gigabit is kind of required
[14:18] <intrbiz> MartijnVdS: lucky you, some of us stuggled to get 8Mb/s
[14:19] <intrbiz> bigcalm: go at least for the 3com 4500, can get them for about £20 for 10/100
[14:19] <bigcalm> Righto
[14:20] <bigcalm> I just searched ebay for layer 3 switch
[14:20] <intrbiz> bigcalm: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3COM-3CR17561-91-SUPERSTACK-3-SWITCH-4500-26-PORT-2x-SFP-/171026058111?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27d1f28b7f
[14:21] <intrbiz> bigcalm: or http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3Com-4500-50-Port-/281691959506?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41962630d2
[14:21] <bigcalm> Goodness
[14:22] <intrbiz> I use a 4500 at home, routing pushed into it, note you still need a dhcp server somewhere
[14:23] <bigcalm> Humm
[14:23] <bigcalm> No switches with dhcp in them?
[14:24] <intrbiz> nope
[14:24] <intrbiz> they have a relay agent
[14:25] <bigcalm> I guess I'm after a managed switch & firewall
[14:25] <bigcalm> Maybe the managed switch we have is fine and I just need to find the right firewall that will do multiple vlans
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: some routerboard device?
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> I have a RB1100AHx2 as a firewall/router/magic box
[14:29] <bigcalm> I have one of these at home: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005UGRIIG
[14:33] <bigcalm> Though I don't remember paying that much for it
[14:33]  * bigcalm gets back to work
[15:08] <diddledan_> I bought a couple intel I1300 dual-gigabit nics a while back - they seem super stable
[15:09] <diddledan_> afact intel is the way to go for ootb support on virtually every operating system out there
[15:09] <intrbiz> diddledan_: or realtek
[15:10] <intrbiz> perf difference of emulated realtek vs e1000 vs virtio on KVM is quite significant
[15:10] <diddledan_> aren't realteks usually just a media adapter that then does all the actual grunt work on your cpu?
[15:11] <diddledan_> like a winmodem did for telephones
[15:11] <intrbiz> diddledan_: yeh, realteks use the CPU more than the Intel or Broadcoms do
[15:11] <diddledan_> the intels I got offload a ton of stuff from the cpu from what I can see
[15:11] <intrbiz> diddledan_: but for modern CPUs it's not massive, Linux doesn't support much more offload than checksums
[15:11] <diddledan_> aah
[15:12] <diddledan_> that's a shame :-p I like offloading stuff from cpu to ASICs
[15:12] <intrbiz> some cards will do TCP offloading etc and iSCSI offloading, but the mainline doesn't want to support that
[15:12] <diddledan_> grr @ kernel
[15:12] <intrbiz> diddledan_: the argument is well reasoned
[15:13] <intrbiz> concerns over the hooks they'd need to put into the networking layer, the binary blobs they'd need and security issues
[15:14] <intrbiz> essentially you need to trust the NIC firmware with alot more
[15:14] <diddledan_> that's a good point
[15:14] <diddledan_> now if we re-wrote the firmware with open sauce stuff.... :-p
[15:14] <intrbiz> indeed
[15:15] <intrbiz> however trying to get broadcom to do that.....
[15:15] <diddledan_> I occasionally have a look at the openboot to see how they're progressing - seems they're moving very slowly
[15:15] <diddledan_> or is it called coreboot now?
[15:16] <diddledan_> I forget
[15:16] <intrbiz> something like that
[15:16] <intrbiz> some chromebooks use coreboot
[15:17] <diddledan_> http://www.coreboot.org/Welcome_to_coreboot
[15:17] <diddledan_> that's it, coreboot
[15:17] <intrbiz> I'd love to see opensourced BCM and lights outs cards
[15:17] <intrbiz> s/BCM/BMC/
[15:17] <diddledan_> they're evil for security aparently
[15:18] <diddledan_> full of holes
[15:18] <intrbiz> yeh that talk scared me quite alot
[15:18] <intrbiz> especially as in my IBMs you can't disabled intels fecking BMC networking
[16:46] <ali1234_> what does this mean? http://imgur.com/bVjvy11
[16:48] <daftykins> permissions on disk are set that differ to the current user? guess that'd be one step after
[19:36] <diddledan_> http://gmailblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/thanks-to-you-inbox-by-gmail-is-now.html
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> Why do they use a razor blade for "Booking reference" (watch that first animation)
[19:40] <popey> thats a ticket
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> still looks like a razor blade though?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> http://www.homedepot.ca/wcsstore/HomeDepotCanada/images/catalog/28-510_2_rgb_4.jpg
[19:42] <popey> http://st.depositphotos.com/1027945/4345/v/950/depositphotos_43452709-Admit-One-Vintage-Paper-Tickets.jpg
[19:43] <popey> i think it's supposed to be that
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> popey: could be, the "Entertainment" category in the Play Store has the same icon.
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> And "razor blades" to mean "entertainment" is a bit.. twisted.
[19:45] <shauno> I miss the days when people wrote email clients that actually worked with email servers, instead of gmail servers
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> shauno: gmail will happily speak SMTP or IMAP?
[19:46] <shauno> I guess google at least have an excuse, but dropbox's Mailbox stuff does this too
[19:47] <daftykins> dropbox added a silly comments feature that revealed real names beside shared public link images
[19:47] <daftykins> this made me sad
[19:47] <shauno> I more mean the other way around, clients that'll only work with gmail
[19:47] <shauno> but .. gmail speaks IMAP the same way italians speak english.  badly & begrudgingly
[19:47] <daftykins> i like the webmail :>
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> shauno: then use Microsoft's offering :)
[19:48] <daftykins> i have chrome installed solely to view my gmail
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> I've been using Inbox for a few months now. *LOVE* it.
[19:48] <shauno> it looks like it could be fun to play with, but I won't hand my email over to google
[19:52] <popey> http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/
[19:52] <popey> neat
[19:52] <popey> someone elses server in your house, you get the "free" heat
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> I saw that on Click last week
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> they interviewed a Dutch family who had one of these things installed
[20:27] <mapps> well
[20:27] <mapps> got postfix dovecot spamassasin and squirrelmail working
[20:27] <mapps> but sendin email goes nowhere :)
[20:28] <Myrtti> bah, my left speaker has stopped working
[20:28] <mapps> :(
[20:30] <davmor2> mapps: then something isn't working then :P
[20:30] <mapps> yea
[20:31] <mapps> i should be able to send email using my own smtp server? recieving it well i only have an IP so woul have to email the IP directly?
[20:31] <mapps> ah
 host mx4.mail.icloud.com[17.158.8.51] said: 550 5.7.1
[20:31] <mapps>     Mail from IP 151.229.3.205 was rejected due to listing in Spamhaus PBL. For
[20:32] <mapps> looks like my IP range is in some spam range
[20:35] <m0nkey_> I wouldn't feel bad not being able to send mail to icloud :)
[20:36] <diddledan_> lol
[20:36] <diddledan_> does anyone even use icloud as their main email recepticle?!
[20:38]  * Myrtti squints at popey 
[20:38] <m0nkey_> I'm still trying to get off Gmail. It's harder than it appears
[20:38] <m0nkey_> Everything I use is Google mostly everything
[20:39]  * m0nkey_ loves his mechanical keyboard
[20:40] <diddledan_> \o/
[20:40] <diddledan_> I have a bit of a softspot for chiclet keyboards :-p
[20:41] <m0nkey_> Bah. Mech or go home :P
[20:41] <m0nkey_> I'm becoming a keyboard snob
[20:42] <m0nkey_> So, I've found the best way to buy one. Spend around 60 days researching mechs, get drunk and go shopping on Amazon.
[20:43] <diddledan_> drunk shopping is where shauno gets in so much trouble :-p
[20:43] <shauno> hey, I like my monkey
[20:44] <diddledan_> shauno: do you spank him? </nsfw>
[20:44] <Myrtti> m0nkey_: that sounds like an improvement to our purchase flow of getting *anything*
[20:44] <m0nkey_> lol
[20:44] <Myrtti> it's about 670 days faster, for a start
[20:44] <mapps> I use my icloud email for bills and stuff
[20:44] <diddledan_> lol
[20:44] <m0nkey_> Is Mr Myrtti keeping his wallet firmly closed?
[20:45] <Myrtti> no, we both just procrastinate and do overly thorough homework on what to buy
[20:45]  * diddledan_ wonders what Myrtti has her eyes set on that mr Myrtti won't agree to
[20:45] <m0nkey_> Bring him over to mine, we'll open a bottle of scotch, then go on a shopping spree!
[20:45] <Myrtti> you know well he doesn't drink anything :-P
[20:45] <diddledan_> lol
[20:45] <diddledan_> even better, less tolerence
[20:45] <m0nkey_> Well, I got a bottle of Ribena that needs drinking.
[20:45] <mapps> hmm
[20:45] <diddledan_> mm, beena
[20:46] <Myrtti> but hey, I've got a bookcase now for my books
[20:46] <Myrtti> so I've unpacked the moving boxes
[20:46] <mapps> got a USB OTG cable and a formatted us stick as fat32..yet cant get it to show on my phone
[20:46] <m0nkey_> Can you believe it, I can actually get that stuff at my local supermarket!
[20:46] <mapps> :(
[20:46] <Myrtti> and a wardrobe for my clothes
[20:46] <Myrtti> so I've unpacked the vacuum bags
[20:46] <Myrtti> took only year and a bit from moving to UK...
[20:46] <m0nkey_> About time he let you move in. lol
[20:47] <Myrtti> the wardrobes are lush though
[20:50] <m0nkey_> btw, the family and I are planning out trip to England next year. We'll have to talk nearer the time so we can swing by.
[20:50] <m0nkey_> *out/our
[20:50] <m0nkey_> (see, even with this fancy keyboard.. I still can't type)
[20:50] <Myrtti> deffo
[20:51] <mapps> england
[20:51] <mapps> what a joke
[20:51] <mapps> ie been back a few days and dont miss it
[20:51] <mapps> ;D
[20:51] <m0nkey_> Yet you hang in #ubuntu-uk :-P
[20:51] <m0nkey_> So you clearly miss part of it
[20:51] <m0nkey_> :D
[20:51] <mapps> well
[20:51] <mapps> 30k people whee i am
[20:51] <mapps> so probably no ubuntu chan
[20:51] <mapps> ;p
[21:15] <mapps> yay can play media off usb on my nexus7 now;D
[22:51] <mapps> this lets be cops
[22:51] <mapps> is quite funny