[02:56] <cjbayliss> join #elementary
[02:56] <cjbayliss> sorroy
[02:57]  * cjbayliss forgot the '/'
[07:31] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:31] <ochosi> elfy: lemme know when you're around for further testing instructions
[07:33] <elfy> around for ~1 hour now - then back this afternoon - currently I am back with the -staging xfpm - ended up with none at all and screen turning off @10minutes without 
[07:36] <ochosi> :)
[07:36] <ochosi> ok, wanna give git master another try? if not, that's fine too, i'll do a release maybe next week and that'll then land in -staging
[07:41] <elfy> mmm 
[07:41] <elfy> so removing staging xfpm marks -plugins for removal
[07:42] <elfy> building from git - The program 'xfce4-power-manager' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: when I try and run it
[07:42] <elfy> got it 
[07:43] <elfy> right - so got it built - xfpm running - but no power plugin available
[07:51] <ochosi> but that used to work, no?
[07:51] <elfy> yep
[07:52] <ochosi> i'll quickly check myself
[07:52] <elfy> ok 
[07:53] <ochosi> hm, strange
[07:53] <elfy> working for you? 
[07:53] <ochosi> seems i can reproduce that part
[07:54] <ochosi> i'll check what's going on there
[07:54] <ochosi> i don't remember changing anything in the build process
[07:55] <elfy> okey doke
[07:55] <elfy> if you find something and change it let me know and when I'm about I will go for it :)
[07:58] <ochosi> ok, thanks!
[08:01] <elfy> don't sound so surprised :p
[08:01] <ochosi> hehe
[08:02] <ochosi> so it seems the plugin stuff does get built but not installed
[08:02] <ochosi> i wonder why that would be, when nothing changed wrt build
[08:07] <ochosi> oh
[08:07] <elfy> I'll ponder the oh when I return - cya later :)
[08:08] <ochosi> hehe, good. hf!
[08:10] <ochosi> elfy: in case it only says "Build panel plugins:yes" after running autogen and not " Xfce plugins:          yes" below it, then you're missing some dependency
[08:12] <ochosi> the main suspect would be libxfce4panel-2.0-dev
[08:12] <ochosi> that is what was missing for me
[08:28] <ochosi> also, please pull again from git, i pushed another tiny fix
[08:37] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Do you want the ppa to build xfpm from git or is that too volatile?
[08:37] <ochosi> actually for what we have in git master now, that'd be perfect for staging, if you have time
[08:37] <ochosi> needs just a bit more testing and then i can go ahead and release 1.5.1
[09:52] <elfy> ochosi: ack done that - built - added - have white icon now for the plugin - assume that's \o/ back off out now
[09:59] <ochosi> elfy: yes! :) switch to a different theme with white panel and you'll see the magic
[10:22] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Tomorrow morning i have to fix xfce 4.12 in tanglu, then i'll look into making that work
[10:23] <ochosi> Noskcaj: no worries, elfy already (successfully) tested, so i'd say you can wait until there's a new dev-release
[10:23] <Noskcaj> ok
[10:23] <Noskcaj> I do need to learn launchpad recipes anyway though, i think they work in this situation
[10:41] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[10:41] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[10:43] <ochosi> thanks for adding the workitems
[10:44] <ochosi> the whole puzzles launcher only makes sense if we include the games by default, no?
[10:45] <ochosi> or do you wanna upstream it or at least get it into the ubuntu package as a patch
[10:45] <knome> yes and no; it will still be an improvement for those who install it
[10:45] <knome> (hello)
[10:46] <ochosi> yes and no?
[10:46] <bluesabre> improve it for anybody, consider for xubuntu since they're good and tiny
[10:47] <knome> makes sense only if we include, if you only want to think about xubuntu
[10:47] <ochosi> right, but improving for anybody means upstreaming, no?
[10:47] <knome> i believe the change needs to be in the package
[10:47] <knome> eg. i don't think we want to go the route of overriding .desktop files
[10:48] <ochosi> yeah, that'd definitely make the most sense
[10:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: I think we should make Xubuntu Team the drafter (maybe) on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-development if we want others to be able to add to it
[10:50] <knome> though i don't know if it's realistic to get it upstream-upstream (like in the source)
[10:50] <knome> debian, likely
[10:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: sure, feel free to change that
[10:51] <bluesabre> done
[10:59] <knome> bbl
[11:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, xfpm from git master should work fine now
[11:05] <ochosi> i'm considering to fix one or two more bugs and then i'll do a 1.5.1
[11:05] <ochosi> maybe i'll also add the feature for displaying the remaining time/percentage in the panel
[11:06] <ochosi> (so the symbolic icons are used now)
[11:07] <bluesabre> very cool
[11:07] <bluesabre> debian seems ready to upload it to, we suggested to wait until 1.5.1
[11:08] <bluesabre> *too
[11:08] <bluesabre> :(
[11:09] <ochosi> yeah
[11:09] <ochosi> better
[11:09] <ochosi> otherwise we might get a lot of duplicate bugreports
[11:10] <ochosi> unless they wanna add the fixes in git master as distro patches
[11:10] <ochosi> :}
[12:34] <elfy> ochosi: yay - I assume that it turning to polka dots is right \o/ 
[16:43] <Xubun> Hey guys.. I am an avid Xubuntu user and am a developer by day .. I would like to give some time to helping out whenever possible. I am new here though... 
[16:51] <krytarik> Xubun: You could start by having a look at this: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[16:57] <elfy> anyone else running wibbly with nvidia card? if so I randomly get this screen whiteout - have to reboot at wall - nouveau doesn'tgive the same trouble 
[17:08] <Xubun> krytarik: Thanks. I would like to contribute towards Thunar or terminal 
[17:09] <krytarik> Xubun: That'd be upstream Xfce then.
[17:09] <krytarik> Xubun: #xfce-dev
[17:10] <Xubun> krytarik: Perfect :) .. Thanks
[17:10] <krytarik> Sure.
[17:30] <astraljava> elfy: No, not really. Did you use the one from -updates?
[17:43] <elfy> astraljava: yep
[17:44] <pleia2> the latest xubuntu at draft post if anyone wants to have a browse http://xubuntu.org/?p=3189&preview=true
[17:46] <elfy> pleia2: lovely :)
[17:54] <astraljava> elfy: I have that driver on two machines, one is a desktop with GeForce 9600 GT card, the other is a laptop with GeForce 9400M G card. Neither of 'em give me trouble, except that I'm not sure whether the occasional problem for lightdm-greeter to appear is related.
[17:55] <elfy> mmk
[17:55] <elfy> I suspect this is one of those annoying local issues 
[17:56] <astraljava> Seems so.
[17:56] <elfy> now that I don'tplagued by the 10seconds till you see your real desktop thing I don't feel the need to use nvidia anyway tbh 
[17:56] <astraljava> I just received this another laptop with Radeon graphics. And surprisingly, no issue with the proprietary driver on that one, either. 
[17:58] <astraljava> Again, excepting the occasional greeter non-appearance after resume.
[17:59] <elfy> right - rarely if ever suspend/resume here
[17:59] <astraljava> Usually Xorg apologizes after that for having crashed. I'm not really sure who to blame for it, actually.
[17:59] <elfy> blame bert astraljava 
[17:59] <elfy> always and for everything
[17:59] <astraljava> Works for me. :D
[18:00] <elfy> and me - he's a bit depressed though,random people blame him for everything 
[18:02] <astraljava> Well, I can't blame them, when you're urging everyone to do so! :p
[18:02]  * astraljava doesn't even know who this mysterious bert character is...
[18:20]  * dkessel scratches head
[18:20] <dkessel> has mousepad been ported to gtk3 during vivid? i am confused. http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-autopilot says it was using gkt2 at the beginning of the vivid cycle
[18:21] <dkessel> good evening, btw :)
[18:35] <dkessel> Unit193, i am wondering if there is anything one can help you with to get the xubuntu-core images hosted on cdimage.u.c
[18:46] <Unit193> dkessel: Something like that, though I like the GTK2 one better.  I have no idea, because it's not hosting it there so much as building.
[18:47] <dkessel> Unit193: "it"?
[18:47] <Unit193> First is mousepad, second comment is xubuntu-core.
[18:48] <dkessel> regarding core: ok, so i guess there are no preparations for that yet
[18:49] <dkessel> mousepad in gtk3 is nice, as gtk2 previously blocked the autopilot tests
[18:49] <Unit193> Yeah, but gtk2 is soo much nicer. :P
[18:49] <Unit193> And yeah, not gotten anywhere with core yet.
[18:50] <Unit193> I *may* be a little late for the meeting, but y'all can start without me right? :P
[18:50] <astraljava> Oh yeah, the meeting. It's in an hour, right?
[18:51] <Unit193> Righty-o.
[18:51] <astraljava> got it
[19:00] <pleia2> that means it's burrito time
[19:02] <dkessel> enjoy your meal pleia2 :)
[19:03]  * drc hands pleia2 some Imodium...just in case :)
[19:10] <Unit193> \o/
[19:32] <astraljava> Wait, doesn't that do just the opposite of what she might need? Or am I mixing drugs again?
[19:36] <drc> It's a thinly veiled reference to a Big Bang line... "...I suggest you get on with it as the court had a dicey burrito for breakfast and just took an Imodium...". 
[19:37] <drc> As " Imodium A-D has been used for years to treat diarrhea", I assume that one must hurry because it hasn't taken effect yet.
[19:39] <astraljava> Oh ok, got it. :)
[19:51] <dkessel> hah, what a good moment for an upgrade to wily...
[19:52] <drc> check for any packages from Acme first....
[19:54]  * dkessel gets packages, did not see any from Acme
[20:00] <Unit193> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[20:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May 28 20:00:22 2015 UTC.  The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:00] <Unit193> #chair ochosi knome
[20:00] <Unit193> Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting.  Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[20:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 knome ochosi
[20:00] <Unit193> Anyone here for the tacos?
[20:01] <slickymaster> I haven't dinner yet Unit193 
[20:01] <elfy> no thanks
[20:01] <slickymaster> hey guys
[20:01] <elfy> really must sort out a CTCP sod off message
[20:02] <Unit193> elfy: Just means /me got messed up. :D
[20:02] <Unit193> #topic Open action items
[20:02] <Unit193> elfy to mail -dev list re Milestone participation during Wily cycle
[20:02] <Unit193> That was done, I saw it.
[20:02] <slickymaster> yeaps
[20:02] <slickymaster> aw that too
[20:02] <slickymaster> +s
[20:02] <Unit193> elfy: Anything to note here?
[20:03] <elfy> nope - apparently I can do whatever I want there
[20:03] <Unit193> Pretty much.
[20:03] <slickymaster> card blanc for elfy 
[20:03] <Unit193> pleia2 to email list re: QA and incentives
[20:03] <pleia2> o/
[20:03] <Unit193> I saw that, there was a lot of them after I got back.
[20:03] <elfy> that makes it easy - we'll follow ~Ubuntu's plan ... 
[20:03] <Unit193> pleia2: Welcome!
[20:04] <elfy> hi pleia2 
[20:04] <Unit193> pleia2: Care to say anything here or just move on?
[20:04] <slickymaster> evening pleia2 
[20:04] <pleia2> I don't know that we have any end result from that thread
[20:04] <Unit193> Sure,that's fine as well.
[20:04] <pleia2> though I will say that the actual process of sending out stickers was no burden
[20:04] <slickymaster> and thanks for sorting out that dead link in docs.xubuntu.org
[20:04] <pleia2> just didn't seem like a valuable enterprise
[20:05] <Unit193> Alright.
[20:05] <Unit193> #topic Team updates
[20:05] <dkessel> oh yeah, good job on updating the docs site!
[20:05] <Unit193> Everyone have at it?
[20:05] <elfy> #info xubuntu-qa - nothing done, still trying to plan wily cycle
[20:06] <pleia2> #info pleia2 updated docs.xubuntu.org for 15.04
[20:06] <pleia2> #info pleia2 has draft for latest Xubuntu At... post ready for review
[20:07] <slickymaster> #info slickymaster Updated the documentation to showcase the replacement of Abiword and Gnumeric by LibreOffice Writer and Calc, respectively, and the the drop of Gimp
[20:09] <Unit193> If there's nothing else?
[20:09] <slickymaster> nothing frm me
[20:09] <slickymaster> * from
[20:09] <pleia2> that's all
[20:09] <elfy> not as #info 
[20:09] <Unit193> #topic Discussion items
[20:09] <Unit193> #subtopic Rebooting the FAQ articles (mailing list discussion)
[20:10] <slickymaster> only bluesabre replied to that
[20:10] <Unit193> So there has been some interest in helping, and I believe others did mention that they'd like to see it happen.
[20:10] <Unit193> Right.
[20:10] <elfy> not sure what's going to happen if people don't step up to help
[20:11] <pleia2> I can help with review of the articles, and pitch in if there's anything I've seen from social media that should be included
[20:11] <slickymaster> this would be a perfect case where the community might get involved
[20:12] <slickymaster> s/case/project
[20:12]  * Unit193 looks at krytarik, sitting over there in the 'community' section.
[20:12] <elfy> ha ha 
[20:12] <pleia2> ah yes, we could also ask people via social media what they think should be included in a FAQ
[20:13] <slickymaster> yes, my thoughts are exactly the same as Unit193?s
[20:13] <Unit193> But so far that leaves bluesabre writing all of them.
[20:13] <pleia2> he likes writing, right? :D
[20:13] <Unit193> Yes!
[20:13] <elfy> pleia2: maybe try and get people involved that way 
[20:13]  * astraljava can pitch in
[20:13] <pleia2> if he starts a blog post, we can multiplayer it and add some suggestions
[20:13] <slickymaster> and his thourough doing it, pleia2 
[20:14] <slickymaster> krytarik, come up, come up, wherever you are
[20:15] <Unit193> So, astraljava and bluesabre, better odds!
[20:16] <Unit193> I think we'll carry that for when he's here at the next meeting, no?
[20:17] <slickymaster> yes, good plan
[20:17] <Unit193> #idea could also ask people via social media what they think should be included in a FAQ
[20:17] <Unit193> (I have no idea if that shows better in minutes.)
[20:17] <Unit193> #subtopic Package testing
[20:17] <elfy> ha
[20:18] <elfy> so - basically we're not going to even sort out tracker this cycle
[20:18] <Unit193> Right, so the mail said, we're not doing them this cycle.
[20:18] <elfy> nor update testcases
[20:18] <Unit193> I guess for that, all we even have to do is poke PaulW2U.
[20:18] <PaulW2U> o/
[20:19] <elfy> I'll assume that bluesabre and cohorts will liase when necessary for that 
[20:19] <Unit193> Heya, PaulW2U.
[20:19] <elfy> #action xubuntu-dev to liase with -qa when specific package testing required
[20:19] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-dev to liase with -qa when specific package testing required
[20:19] <Unit193> Right, I'll need a release team member for stuff too.
[20:19] <elfy> hi PaulW2U 
[20:19] <PaulW2U> hi all
[20:19] <Unit193> elfy: Anything else, or carry on to the next?
[20:19] <elfy> hang on
[20:20] <slickymaster> hi PaulW2U 
[20:20] <elfy> discussion started with PaulW2U and saqman on m/l about testing (which is more or less the same thing) we can do that now or at the end
[20:21] <elfy> in which case we can move on
[20:21] <Unit193> Now'll do.
[20:21] <elfy> okey doke
[20:22] <elfy> so - we're looking at the best way to disseminate info to testers here - currently trello board for them is my preference
[20:22] <elfy> PaulW2U: you got any comments for the meeting? 
[20:22] <PaulW2U> no really but it testers need focus
[20:23] <Unit193> FWIW, I'm keeping on top of those, thanks to SwissBot announcing every time something happens there.
[20:23] <elfy> (I've also offered to run a qa meet if there'senough people -maybe social media that offer pleia2 ? )
[20:23] <PaulW2U> and items to test need to be easily found and the lists kept updated
[20:23] <pleia2> elfy: yes sir
[20:23] <elfy> pleia2: :)
[20:24] <elfy> PaulW2U: ack 
[20:24] <PaulW2U> trello board looks good
[20:24]  * dkessel also likes trello
[20:25] <elfy> for those who've not looked - there's a Tester Notes board https://trello.com/b/IV66JCHl/xubuntu-qa
[20:25] <elfy> not sure there's much else to mention on that at this moment 
[20:29] <elfy> Unit193: the meeting length is kind of based on the chair not looking out of the window :p
[20:29] <Unit193> :3
[20:29] <Unit193> #subtopic Milestones to take part in
[20:29] <Unit193> All the ones Ubuntu does is what I just read
[20:29] <elfy> heh
[20:29] <elfy> I'm still happy with 
[20:30] <pleia2> wfm
[20:30] <Unit193> Another idea was when/if we had something big landing.
[20:30] <elfy> really>
[20:30] <elfy> didn't see that on my pointless mail to the list
[20:30] <Unit193> elfy: Side note, idea, etc.  But I don't think of anything big.
[20:31] <Unit193> 4.12 hit last cycle, so that's it pretty much.
[20:31] <elfy> frankly I think the best plan is start at Beta1 unless something turns up and we want to start earlier
[20:31] <pleia2> it doesn't need to be a milestone, right? just a stronger call for testing on the specific bit
[20:31] <elfy> pleia2: yea for sure 
[20:31] <Unit193> I maaay have misremembered, pleia2.
[20:31] <Unit193> That sounds closer.
[20:31] <pleia2> elfy does a great job calling those to our attention, so it's easy enough for me to social media them (sometimes with or without prodding :))
[20:31] <elfy> pleia2: the only issue being we can't stop dailies churning simply 
[20:32] <elfy> pleia2: works best when I LP mail for that still ? 
[20:32] <pleia2> elfy: yeah
[20:32] <elfy> ok
[20:32] <pleia2> that gets my attention, then I link to the -dev mail
[20:32] <elfy> right
[20:33] <Unit193> #agreed Participate with the ones Ubuntu does, starting at B1.
[20:33] <elfy> bluesabre and I have quickly discussed both packages and images btw - it's not just me :)
[20:33] <micahg> well, LO stuff should probably be tested
[20:34] <Unit193> micahg: Yeah, there's a couple things to be fixed yet in x.d.s
[20:34] <elfy> micahg: yea - probably
[20:34] <elfy> I need to see what Ubuntu do with LO - there is a test for it - but I don'tthink much occurs
[20:34] <knome> hai
[20:34] <elfy> hi knome 
[20:34] <slickymaster> knome o/
[20:35] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/zZTHqewdJcagM769YkZJ for a quick look, micahg.
[20:35] <pleia2> if LO is the only package test to point people at, maybe we can succeed in getting some to do it ;)
[20:36] <elfy> pleia2: if only it was that simple - when I looked it was really old and would need checking over
[20:36] <pleia2> figures
[20:36] <Unit193> Ubuntu doesn't take better care of that one?
[20:36] <elfy> Unit193: they don't package test anymore 
[20:36] <pleia2> ah
[20:36] <pleia2> nevermind then
[20:37] <pleia2> would be easy if someone else was maintaining it, but if not..
[20:37] <knome> manually, non-exploratorily, that is...
[20:37] <elfy> micahg: the other side of that coin is that we had tests for gnumeric/abiword that people didn't test and we still got bugs reported
[20:37] <micahg> ok
[20:38] <elfy> but basically - if people need something tested - ask and it shall be promoted 
[20:38] <Unit193> Alrighty then, if there's nothing else?
[20:39] <elfy> I'm good
[20:39] <Unit193> #subtopic QA Incentive
[20:39] <slickymaster> nothing on this end
[20:40] <Unit193> Again, from the mail it seems like a nice idea, but not really as much help.
[20:41] <elfy> I think I saw a few new names show up - but no way to know from where - they could well just be normal new 
[20:41] <elfy> and it all took me hours because tracker 
[20:41] <pleia2> if we do see a new contributor who starts doing a long, we can just randomly offer to send them stickers
[20:41] <pleia2> but a formal program doesn't work and was a bit silly
[20:41] <pleia2> s/a long/a lot
[20:41] <elfy> I'd not say it was silly - just something we tried 
[20:42] <Unit193> So, #info discontinued ?
[20:42] <elfy> Unit193: yep 
[20:42] <pleia2> elfy: yeah, an interesting experiment :)
[20:43] <Unit193> #info an interesting experiment, but discontinued
[20:43] <Unit193> Any other discussions?
[20:44] <elfy> blueprints? or wait till ochosi is about? 
[20:44] <Unit193> Likely wait for him.
[20:44] <Unit193> #topic Announcements
[20:44] <pleia2> I updated a blueprint today \o/
[20:44] <Unit193> I looked at them!
[20:44] <elfy> \o/ 
[20:45] <knome> i did nothing today!
[20:45] <elfy> still working on qa one
[20:45] <elfy> knome: \o/ 
[20:45] <Unit193> I see nothing coming up.
[20:45] <Unit193> #endmeeting
[20:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May 28 20:45:55 2015 UTC.  
[20:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-05-28-20.00.moin.txt
[20:46] <slickymaster> I fought a java exploit and ransomware trojan
[20:46] <elfy> I'll sort the next meeting out
[20:46] <elfy> thinking the 29th May
[20:46] <pleia2> thanks Unit193 
[20:46] <pleia2> elfy: ...
[20:47] <Unit193> http://java-0day.com/ \o/
[20:47] <elfy> :p
[20:47] <Unit193> pleia2: Sure, thanks for bearing with me there. :3
[20:47] <slickymaster> thanks Unit193 
[20:47]  * pleia2 back2work
[20:47] <dkessel> oh well. i was really interested to read about the blueprints. too bad.
[20:47]  * slickymaster starts to grill his bass for dinner
[20:48]  * elfy sits back to watch Unit193 do the meeting page updates
[20:48] <Unit193> elfy: How did you know I was wondering "what next?"? :D
[20:48] <elfy> I remember last time :p
[20:48] <Unit193> Haha, :D
[20:49] <slickymaster> lol
[20:49]  * slickymaster heads up to the kitchen
[20:49] <Unit193> The lock of slickymaster timed out 39 minute(s) ago, and you were granted the lock for this page
[20:49] <slickymaster> ups, sorry about that Unit193 :P
[20:49] <slickymaster> my bad
[20:50] <slickymaster> better now?
[20:50] <micahg> ochosi: so, if we get down to 1 gstreamer copy, we should be right sized
[20:50] <Unit193> xfburn will get us there, no?
[20:50] <micahg> I think so
[20:50] <knome> with LO?
[20:50] <Unit193> Nice, thanks micahg.
[20:51] <micahg> Unit193: wait, no, pidgin/farstream is the other big thing
[20:51] <Unit193> Ah right, that.  I'm really hoping that'll be fixed, either with patches or .12 release.
[20:52] <Unit193> micahg: I've still been running pidgin with gst1.0, no issues.
[20:52] <micahg> I know 3.0 is a WIP
[20:53] <Unit193> 2.10.12 should actually have them.
[20:54] <Unit193> micahg: My plan was to bug robert_ancell about the LP bug.
[20:54] <micahg> great
[20:55] <Unit193> #agreed does nothing.
[20:56] <elfy> Unit193: so core iso - I was going to make a start on testcases for those - no issue with the https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ link on there? 
[20:57] <Unit193> Wouldn't testcases be mini.iso?  Then later we get the Ubuntu buildds?  I have no other problems.
[20:57] <elfy> mmm
[20:57] <elfy> this is what I was talking about the other day ... 
[20:58] <elfy> are we going to get this as an ubuntu build then? if so I'll hold fire 
[20:58] <knome> elfy, pleia2: maybe we can do some other one-off sticker "competitions"/raffles
[20:58] <Unit193> That was the hope, I believe.  I'll have to talk to bluesabre, our release eng.
[20:59] <elfy> Unit193: ok - well if you do that overnight could you ping me and I'll find the backlog
[20:59] <Unit193> IMO, discussions should have nicks next to them, so we can figure out who needs to lead them.
[20:59] <Unit193> elfy: Yes sir!
[20:59] <elfy> knome: possibly - but frankly - it's a whole lot of work if we need information from tracker
[20:59] <knome> Unit193, at least it would be nice if the person who added the item to the agenda left a visible mark there
[21:00] <elfy> unless it's something subjective like "that user's been about a lot lately"
[21:00] <knome> elfy, not necessarily tracker-related
[21:00] <knome> elfy, or just "test this and take a screenshot while you do it, we draw one random sticker winner"
[21:01] <elfy> yea possibly
[21:02] <knome> something more organix
[21:02] <knome> s/x/c/
[21:02] <knome> and as i said, one-off, not a huge undertaking
[21:04] <elfy> then it definitely HAS to be not related to tracker unless it's done now ;) 
[21:05] <knome> lol
[21:28] <ochosi> hey folks
[21:28] <ochosi> sorry for being too late :(
[21:28] <Unit193> No you're not!
[21:29] <ochosi> i'll catch up with the backlog and join in then
[21:29]  * knome slaps ochosi
[21:29] <knome> NAUGHTY BOY
[21:32] <drc> I think the proper phrase is "Bad dog, no biscuit!".
[21:48] <ochosi> ok, now i'm actually back
[21:48] <ochosi> so
[21:48] <Unit193> Hah, and I'm gone. :D
[21:49] <ochosi> micahg: yeah, meh, pidgin :/ i don't see that getting fixed too soon, although Unit193 claims it will, we'll see..
[21:49] <Unit193> Erm, no.
[21:49] <ochosi> no?
[21:49] <ochosi> i thought you said some point release will do gst1?
[21:49] <Unit193> I gave data, I just hope for this cycle.  Yeah, from what I've read .12 will.
[21:50] <ochosi> well that sounds a lot closer than 3.0
[21:50] <ochosi> actually, re: blueprints and LO, i'll add another workitem to w--artwork
[21:51] <ochosi> so the meeting is still running officially?
[21:51] <knome> #endmeeting
[21:51] <knome> no
[21:51] <Unit193> ochosi: https://hg.pidgin.im/pidgin/main/rev/2415067473ba
[21:51] <knome> ochosi, what's that you're adding?
[21:52] <knome> ochosi, i suddendly started thinking about some document templates and color schemes..
[21:52] <ochosi> Unit193: first of all: wow, they use mercurial. secondly: wow, nice!
[21:52] <knome> templates is likely a bit in vain, i would imagine nobody wants to use a xubuntu template
[21:52] <ochosi> yea, prolly not
[21:53] <ochosi> but the icon theme could integrate better
[21:53] <knome> that too
[21:53] <ochosi> that's the one thing that doesn't really go along
[21:53] <ochosi> bluesabre once worked out a script for replacing many icons with elementary-xfce ones
[21:53] <knome> aha
[21:53] <ochosi> but that was when i was extremely busy, so i had no chance to follow up
[21:54] <ochosi> knome: btw, feel free to claim the wallpaper workitem
[21:54] <knome> oh sigh, just dump my name in there :P
[21:54] <ochosi> :]
[21:54] <Unit193> ochosi: Yep!  Try it out today™ :P
[21:55] <Unit193> For me personally, all that's left is wine and I can get rid of gst0.10 on every system.
[21:55] <ochosi> hmright, i dont use pidgin ;)
[21:56] <knome> ochosi, wait, wallpaper item is not INPROGRESS? :P
[21:56] <ochosi> hehe
[21:56] <knome> ochosi, don't you remember
[21:56] <knome> :P
[21:57] <knome> silly one
[21:57] <ochosi> that's your workitem now, you deal with it ;)
[21:57] <knome> well you knew it was before you assigned it to me..
[21:57] <Unit193> ochosi: torchat!
[21:58] <knome> Unit193, aren't you gone? :P
[22:03] <ochosi> pleia2: btw, that last email i just sent to the ml could be social-worthy, if you have time!
[22:04]  * knome is already tweeting
[22:05] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether we should link to status.ubuntu somewhere in the contribute part of -web
[22:05] <knome> yep
[22:05] <ochosi> since that is actually quite a useful overview of our goings on
[22:05] <knome> i'll do something about that soonish
[22:06] <ochosi> even the umbrella blueprint might be link-worthy
[22:07] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-May/010790.html
[22:12] <knome> now at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-May/010790.html with a shameless self-plug for @simonsteinbeiss
[22:13] <ochosi> well ofc :)
[22:15] <Noskcaj> Is it ok if i update lp:~xubuntu-dev/+junk/xfpm-pkging to the packaging of xfpm in xubuntu-staging?
[22:16] <ochosi> there is a junk PPA?
[22:16] <Noskcaj> ochosi, A daily build ppa
[22:16] <ochosi> oh right
[22:16] <Noskcaj> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:17] <Noskcaj> great, launchpad is giving me 404 errors. I guess i'll try tonight
[22:17] <ochosi> yeah, go launchpad!
[22:17] <ochosi> anyway, better to wait for bluesabre's opinion on that one, i'm not really confident about my own packaging opinions ;)
[22:19] <Noskcaj> fair enough
[22:21] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, When do you think we'll be able to upload new panel?
[22:28] <knome> ochosi, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[22:28] <knome> ochosi, is that better? (remember to f5, canonical does heavy caching..)
[22:29] <ochosi> not bad! i would actually add some graphics or icons to that page
[22:29] <knome> ochosi, well, http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=3081&preview=true
[22:29] <knome> ochosi, mostly, the subteams are much saner in that
[22:29] <knome> and yeah, agree with artwork
[22:29] <knome> but me has none ready :P
[22:30] <knome> if you have a good idea for some artwork (in the same style as in the front page) that would fit well with the team list, tell me
[22:30] <ochosi> :)
[22:30] <ochosi> k
[22:31] <ochosi> i'm actually wondering whether we should make "Progress" a separate header / section
[22:31] <knome> maybe
[22:31] <ochosi> and link to status.ubuntu as well as to the blueprints there
[22:31] <ochosi> to make it more prominent
[22:31] <knome> but fwiw, i would like to keep most pages static
[22:31] <knome> eg. not something we need to update every cycle
[22:32] <knome> so maybe for the so-called "develeoper area" we could have that
[22:32] <bluesabre> hi all
[22:32] <knome> a page per cycle
[22:32] <knome> lists progress, links important things and stuff
[22:32] <bluesabre> wife is sick, so I may be around for very little time
[22:32] <knome> then we could point to *that* from the page or so
[22:32] <knome> bluesabre, strength
[22:32] <knome> for you and/or for her, depending how much she makes you do stuff :P
[22:33]  * bluesabre used strength... it's not very effective
[22:33] <knome> oopsie
[22:33] <knome> that didn't come out right
[22:33] <knome> "my wife is sick - i used strength"
[22:33] <bluesabre> lol
[22:34] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: possibly tonight, more likely tomorrow morning
[22:34] <bluesabre> so, I think that might be tomorrow night for you
[22:34] <bluesabre> or tonight
[22:35]  * bluesabre stops talking
[22:35] <ochosi> speedy recovery to her then!
[22:37] <ochosi> knome: could do something like 4 graphics for the various teams, e.g. something (but more pretty) like this for docs: http://i.imgur.com/6ur2vtQ.png
[22:37] <knome> uh oh
[22:39] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: when updating daily builds, make sure they still build for trusty->vivid, or create a new branch of packaging, otherwise, go for it (with testing)
[22:40] <bluesabre> Unit193: I can help, but I have no idea what it takes to actually add new builds to cdimage
[22:40] <bluesabre> I can press a button to rebuild
[22:40] <bluesabre> :D
[22:40] <knome> ochosi, would prefer one image, it's hard to make stuff thats drawn in the same way fit that area
[22:40] <knome> especially four things
[22:40] <bluesabre> why not five?
[22:40] <knome> and drawing stuff that is like icons is meh...
[22:41] <knome> bluesabre, because if you ask any designer, they'll tell five things do not go nicely in columns :P
[22:41] <bluesabre> :o
[22:41] <knome> well 4 is 2 items in 2 columns
[22:42] <ochosi> hmyeah, i sort of agree (re: drawn icons), however, going less abstract isn't easy here
[22:43] <ochosi> just felt we could do some of the common metaphors where they exist for different areas of "contributing"
[22:43] <knome> sure, but good things aren't easy
[22:43] <knome> (necessarily)
[22:43] <ochosi> maybe not easy, but simple!
[22:44] <ochosi> not our style, but how others do it: https://elementary.io/developer
[22:45] <ochosi> although that is a slightly different thing
[22:45] <knome> yeah..
[22:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: i know you're busy and all, just wanted to mention that in-development wallpaper again
[22:47] <ochosi> since that only makes sense if we set it early in the cycle
[22:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'll have it in tonight, will be in tomorrow's image
[22:50] <bluesabre> and thanks for pinging again
[22:50] <bluesabre> :)
[22:51] <ochosi> :)
[22:51] <ochosi> thanks for uploading! didn't expect things to go so quickly
[22:51] <ochosi> only thought i'd remind you since i just thought of it again
[22:51] <ochosi> we can also make it a workitem, so it's less stressful for you
[22:52] <ochosi> no need to do it *now*
[22:52] <bluesabre> *tonight* ;)
[22:59] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_art/xwa-community.png
[23:01] <ochosi> maybe add an eye to make it look a bit more like a person
[23:01] <knome> well that just looked stupid
[23:01] <ochosi> or maybe it's ok, i just need to get some sleep now
[23:01] <knome> that's why the hair is huge
[23:01] <ochosi> :)
[23:01] <ochosi> anyway, ttyl, have a good night!
[23:01] <knome> nighty :)
[23:06] <Unit193> knome: Yes I was.
[23:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: But you may know who to ping, or I can pretend you do.