[02:56] join #elementary [02:56] sorroy [02:57] * cjbayliss forgot the '/' [07:31] morning everyone [07:31] elfy: lemme know when you're around for further testing instructions [07:33] around for ~1 hour now - then back this afternoon - currently I am back with the -staging xfpm - ended up with none at all and screen turning off @10minutes without [07:36] :) [07:36] ok, wanna give git master another try? if not, that's fine too, i'll do a release maybe next week and that'll then land in -staging [07:41] mmm [07:41] so removing staging xfpm marks -plugins for removal [07:42] building from git - The program 'xfce4-power-manager' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: when I try and run it [07:42] got it [07:43] right - so got it built - xfpm running - but no power plugin available [07:51] but that used to work, no? [07:51] yep [07:52] i'll quickly check myself [07:52] ok [07:53] hm, strange [07:53] working for you? [07:53] seems i can reproduce that part [07:54] i'll check what's going on there [07:54] i don't remember changing anything in the build process [07:55] okey doke [07:55] if you find something and change it let me know and when I'm about I will go for it :) [07:58] ok, thanks! [08:01] don't sound so surprised :p [08:01] hehe [08:02] so it seems the plugin stuff does get built but not installed [08:02] i wonder why that would be, when nothing changed wrt build [08:07] oh [08:07] I'll ponder the oh when I return - cya later :) [08:08] hehe, good. hf! [08:10] elfy: in case it only says "Build panel plugins:yes" after running autogen and not " Xfce plugins: yes" below it, then you're missing some dependency [08:12] the main suspect would be libxfce4panel-2.0-dev [08:12] that is what was missing for me [08:28] also, please pull again from git, i pushed another tiny fix [08:37] ochosi, Do you want the ppa to build xfpm from git or is that too volatile? [08:37] actually for what we have in git master now, that'd be perfect for staging, if you have time [08:37] needs just a bit more testing and then i can go ahead and release 1.5.1 [09:52] ochosi: ack done that - built - added - have white icon now for the plugin - assume that's \o/ back off out now [09:59] elfy: yes! :) switch to a different theme with white panel and you'll see the magic [10:22] ochosi, Tomorrow morning i have to fix xfce 4.12 in tanglu, then i'll look into making that work [10:23] Noskcaj: no worries, elfy already (successfully) tested, so i'd say you can wait until there's a new dev-release [10:23] ok [10:23] I do need to learn launchpad recipes anyway though, i think they work in this situation [10:41] hey bluesabre [10:41] hey ochosi [10:43] thanks for adding the workitems [10:44] the whole puzzles launcher only makes sense if we include the games by default, no? [10:45] or do you wanna upstream it or at least get it into the ubuntu package as a patch [10:45] yes and no; it will still be an improvement for those who install it [10:45] (hello) [10:46] yes and no? [10:46] improve it for anybody, consider for xubuntu since they're good and tiny [10:47] makes sense only if we include, if you only want to think about xubuntu [10:47] right, but improving for anybody means upstreaming, no? [10:47] i believe the change needs to be in the package [10:47] eg. i don't think we want to go the route of overriding .desktop files [10:48] yeah, that'd definitely make the most sense [10:50] ochosi: I think we should make Xubuntu Team the drafter (maybe) on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-development if we want others to be able to add to it [10:50] though i don't know if it's realistic to get it upstream-upstream (like in the source) [10:50] debian, likely [10:50] bluesabre: sure, feel free to change that [10:51] done [10:59] bbl [11:05] bluesabre: btw, xfpm from git master should work fine now [11:05] i'm considering to fix one or two more bugs and then i'll do a 1.5.1 [11:05] maybe i'll also add the feature for displaying the remaining time/percentage in the panel [11:06] (so the symbolic icons are used now) [11:07] very cool [11:07] debian seems ready to upload it to, we suggested to wait until 1.5.1 [11:08] *too [11:08] :( [11:09] yeah [11:09] better [11:09] otherwise we might get a lot of duplicate bugreports [11:10] unless they wanna add the fixes in git master as distro patches [11:10] :} [12:34] ochosi: yay - I assume that it turning to polka dots is right \o/ [16:43] Hey guys.. I am an avid Xubuntu user and am a developer by day .. I would like to give some time to helping out whenever possible. I am new here though... [16:51] Xubun: You could start by having a look at this: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ [16:57] anyone else running wibbly with nvidia card? if so I randomly get this screen whiteout - have to reboot at wall - nouveau doesn'tgive the same trouble [17:08] krytarik: Thanks. I would like to contribute towards Thunar or terminal [17:09] Xubun: That'd be upstream Xfce then. [17:09] Xubun: #xfce-dev [17:10] krytarik: Perfect :) .. Thanks [17:10] Sure. [17:30] elfy: No, not really. Did you use the one from -updates? [17:43] astraljava: yep [17:44] the latest xubuntu at draft post if anyone wants to have a browse http://xubuntu.org/?p=3189&preview=true [17:46] pleia2: lovely :) [17:54] elfy: I have that driver on two machines, one is a desktop with GeForce 9600 GT card, the other is a laptop with GeForce 9400M G card. Neither of 'em give me trouble, except that I'm not sure whether the occasional problem for lightdm-greeter to appear is related. [17:55] mmk [17:55] I suspect this is one of those annoying local issues [17:56] Seems so. [17:56] now that I don'tplagued by the 10seconds till you see your real desktop thing I don't feel the need to use nvidia anyway tbh [17:56] I just received this another laptop with Radeon graphics. And surprisingly, no issue with the proprietary driver on that one, either. [17:58] Again, excepting the occasional greeter non-appearance after resume. [17:59] right - rarely if ever suspend/resume here [17:59] Usually Xorg apologizes after that for having crashed. I'm not really sure who to blame for it, actually. [17:59] blame bert astraljava [17:59] always and for everything [17:59] Works for me. :D [18:00] and me - he's a bit depressed though,random people blame him for everything [18:02] Well, I can't blame them, when you're urging everyone to do so! :p [18:02] * astraljava doesn't even know who this mysterious bert character is... [18:20] * dkessel scratches head [18:20] has mousepad been ported to gtk3 during vivid? i am confused. http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-autopilot says it was using gkt2 at the beginning of the vivid cycle [18:21] good evening, btw :) [18:35] Unit193, i am wondering if there is anything one can help you with to get the xubuntu-core images hosted on cdimage.u.c [18:46] dkessel: Something like that, though I like the GTK2 one better. I have no idea, because it's not hosting it there so much as building. [18:47] Unit193: "it"? [18:47] First is mousepad, second comment is xubuntu-core. [18:48] regarding core: ok, so i guess there are no preparations for that yet [18:49] mousepad in gtk3 is nice, as gtk2 previously blocked the autopilot tests [18:49] Yeah, but gtk2 is soo much nicer. :P [18:49] And yeah, not gotten anywhere with core yet. [18:50] I *may* be a little late for the meeting, but y'all can start without me right? :P [18:50] Oh yeah, the meeting. It's in an hour, right? [18:51] Righty-o. [18:51] got it [19:00] that means it's burrito time [19:02] enjoy your meal pleia2 :) [19:03] * drc hands pleia2 some Imodium...just in case :) [19:10] \o/ [19:32] Wait, doesn't that do just the opposite of what she might need? Or am I mixing drugs again? [19:36] It's a thinly veiled reference to a Big Bang line... "...I suggest you get on with it as the court had a dicey burrito for breakfast and just took an Imodium...". [19:37] As " Imodium A-D has been used for years to treat diarrhea", I assume that one must hurry because it hasn't taken effect yet. [19:39] Oh ok, got it. :) [19:51] hah, what a good moment for an upgrade to wily... [19:52] check for any packages from Acme first.... [19:54] * dkessel gets packages, did not see any from Acme [20:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [20:00] Meeting started Thu May 28 20:00:22 2015 UTC. The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [20:00] #chair ochosi knome [20:00] Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting. Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [20:00] Current chairs: Unit193 knome ochosi [20:00] Anyone here for the tacos? [20:01] I haven't dinner yet Unit193 [20:01] no thanks [20:01] hey guys [20:01] really must sort out a CTCP sod off message [20:02] elfy: Just means /me got messed up. :D [20:02] #topic Open action items [20:02] elfy to mail -dev list re Milestone participation during Wily cycle [20:02] That was done, I saw it. [20:02] yeaps [20:02] aw that too [20:02] +s [20:02] elfy: Anything to note here? [20:03] nope - apparently I can do whatever I want there [20:03] Pretty much. [20:03] card blanc for elfy [20:03] pleia2 to email list re: QA and incentives [20:03] o/ [20:03] I saw that, there was a lot of them after I got back. [20:03] that makes it easy - we'll follow ~Ubuntu's plan ... [20:03] pleia2: Welcome! [20:04] hi pleia2 [20:04] pleia2: Care to say anything here or just move on? [20:04] evening pleia2 [20:04] I don't know that we have any end result from that thread [20:04] Sure,that's fine as well. [20:04] though I will say that the actual process of sending out stickers was no burden [20:04] and thanks for sorting out that dead link in docs.xubuntu.org [20:04] just didn't seem like a valuable enterprise [20:05] Alright. [20:05] #topic Team updates [20:05] oh yeah, good job on updating the docs site! [20:05] Everyone have at it? [20:05] #info xubuntu-qa - nothing done, still trying to plan wily cycle [20:06] #info pleia2 updated docs.xubuntu.org for 15.04 [20:06] #info pleia2 has draft for latest Xubuntu At... post ready for review [20:07] #info slickymaster Updated the documentation to showcase the replacement of Abiword and Gnumeric by LibreOffice Writer and Calc, respectively, and the the drop of Gimp [20:09] If there's nothing else? [20:09] nothing frm me [20:09] * from [20:09] that's all [20:09] not as #info [20:09] #topic Discussion items [20:09] #subtopic Rebooting the FAQ articles (mailing list discussion) [20:10] only bluesabre replied to that [20:10] So there has been some interest in helping, and I believe others did mention that they'd like to see it happen. [20:10] Right. [20:10] not sure what's going to happen if people don't step up to help [20:11] I can help with review of the articles, and pitch in if there's anything I've seen from social media that should be included [20:11] this would be a perfect case where the community might get involved [20:12] s/case/project [20:12] * Unit193 looks at krytarik, sitting over there in the 'community' section. [20:12] ha ha [20:12] ah yes, we could also ask people via social media what they think should be included in a FAQ [20:13] yes, my thoughts are exactly the same as Unit193?s [20:13] But so far that leaves bluesabre writing all of them. [20:13] he likes writing, right? :D [20:13] Yes! [20:13] pleia2: maybe try and get people involved that way [20:13] * astraljava can pitch in [20:13] if he starts a blog post, we can multiplayer it and add some suggestions [20:13] and his thourough doing it, pleia2 [20:14] krytarik, come up, come up, wherever you are [20:15] So, astraljava and bluesabre, better odds! [20:16] I think we'll carry that for when he's here at the next meeting, no? [20:17] yes, good plan [20:17] #idea could also ask people via social media what they think should be included in a FAQ [20:17] (I have no idea if that shows better in minutes.) [20:17] #subtopic Package testing [20:17] ha [20:18] so - basically we're not going to even sort out tracker this cycle [20:18] Right, so the mail said, we're not doing them this cycle. [20:18] nor update testcases [20:18] I guess for that, all we even have to do is poke PaulW2U. [20:18] o/ [20:19] I'll assume that bluesabre and cohorts will liase when necessary for that [20:19] Heya, PaulW2U. [20:19] #action xubuntu-dev to liase with -qa when specific package testing required [20:19] ACTION: xubuntu-dev to liase with -qa when specific package testing required [20:19] Right, I'll need a release team member for stuff too. [20:19] hi PaulW2U [20:19] hi all [20:19] elfy: Anything else, or carry on to the next? [20:19] hang on [20:20] hi PaulW2U [20:20] discussion started with PaulW2U and saqman on m/l about testing (which is more or less the same thing) we can do that now or at the end [20:21] in which case we can move on [20:21] Now'll do. [20:21] okey doke [20:22] so - we're looking at the best way to disseminate info to testers here - currently trello board for them is my preference [20:22] PaulW2U: you got any comments for the meeting? [20:22] no really but it testers need focus [20:23] FWIW, I'm keeping on top of those, thanks to SwissBot announcing every time something happens there. [20:23] (I've also offered to run a qa meet if there'senough people -maybe social media that offer pleia2 ? ) [20:23] and items to test need to be easily found and the lists kept updated [20:23] elfy: yes sir [20:23] pleia2: :) [20:24] PaulW2U: ack [20:24] trello board looks good [20:24] * dkessel also likes trello [20:25] for those who've not looked - there's a Tester Notes board https://trello.com/b/IV66JCHl/xubuntu-qa [20:25] not sure there's much else to mention on that at this moment [20:29] Unit193: the meeting length is kind of based on the chair not looking out of the window :p [20:29] :3 [20:29] #subtopic Milestones to take part in [20:29] All the ones Ubuntu does is what I just read [20:29] heh [20:29] I'm still happy with [20:30] wfm [20:30] Another idea was when/if we had something big landing. [20:30] really> [20:30] didn't see that on my pointless mail to the list [20:30] elfy: Side note, idea, etc. But I don't think of anything big. [20:31] 4.12 hit last cycle, so that's it pretty much. [20:31] frankly I think the best plan is start at Beta1 unless something turns up and we want to start earlier [20:31] it doesn't need to be a milestone, right? just a stronger call for testing on the specific bit [20:31] pleia2: yea for sure [20:31] I maaay have misremembered, pleia2. [20:31] That sounds closer. [20:31] elfy does a great job calling those to our attention, so it's easy enough for me to social media them (sometimes with or without prodding :)) [20:31] pleia2: the only issue being we can't stop dailies churning simply [20:32] pleia2: works best when I LP mail for that still ? [20:32] elfy: yeah [20:32] ok [20:32] that gets my attention, then I link to the -dev mail [20:32] right [20:33] #agreed Participate with the ones Ubuntu does, starting at B1. [20:33] bluesabre and I have quickly discussed both packages and images btw - it's not just me :) [20:33] well, LO stuff should probably be tested [20:34] micahg: Yeah, there's a couple things to be fixed yet in x.d.s [20:34] micahg: yea - probably [20:34] I need to see what Ubuntu do with LO - there is a test for it - but I don'tthink much occurs [20:34] hai [20:34] hi knome [20:34] knome o/ [20:35] http://paste.openstack.org/show/zZTHqewdJcagM769YkZJ for a quick look, micahg. [20:35] if LO is the only package test to point people at, maybe we can succeed in getting some to do it ;) [20:36] pleia2: if only it was that simple - when I looked it was really old and would need checking over [20:36] figures [20:36] Ubuntu doesn't take better care of that one? [20:36] Unit193: they don't package test anymore [20:36] ah [20:36] nevermind then [20:37] would be easy if someone else was maintaining it, but if not.. [20:37] manually, non-exploratorily, that is... [20:37] micahg: the other side of that coin is that we had tests for gnumeric/abiword that people didn't test and we still got bugs reported [20:37] ok [20:38] but basically - if people need something tested - ask and it shall be promoted [20:38] Alrighty then, if there's nothing else? [20:39] I'm good [20:39] #subtopic QA Incentive [20:39] nothing on this end [20:40] Again, from the mail it seems like a nice idea, but not really as much help. [20:41] I think I saw a few new names show up - but no way to know from where - they could well just be normal new [20:41] and it all took me hours because tracker [20:41] if we do see a new contributor who starts doing a long, we can just randomly offer to send them stickers [20:41] but a formal program doesn't work and was a bit silly [20:41] s/a long/a lot [20:41] I'd not say it was silly - just something we tried [20:42] So, #info discontinued ? [20:42] Unit193: yep [20:42] elfy: yeah, an interesting experiment :) [20:43] #info an interesting experiment, but discontinued [20:43] Any other discussions? [20:44] blueprints? or wait till ochosi is about? [20:44] Likely wait for him. [20:44] #topic Announcements [20:44] I updated a blueprint today \o/ [20:44] I looked at them! [20:44] \o/ [20:45] i did nothing today! [20:45] still working on qa one [20:45] knome: \o/ [20:45] I see nothing coming up. [20:45] #endmeeting [20:45] Meeting ended Thu May 28 20:45:55 2015 UTC. [20:45] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-05-28-20.00.moin.txt [20:46] I fought a java exploit and ransomware trojan [20:46] I'll sort the next meeting out [20:46] thinking the 29th May [20:46] thanks Unit193 [20:46] elfy: ... [20:47] http://java-0day.com/ \o/ [20:47] :p [20:47] pleia2: Sure, thanks for bearing with me there. :3 [20:47] thanks Unit193 [20:47] * pleia2 back2work [20:47] oh well. i was really interested to read about the blueprints. too bad. [20:47] * slickymaster starts to grill his bass for dinner [20:48] * elfy sits back to watch Unit193 do the meeting page updates [20:48] elfy: How did you know I was wondering "what next?"? :D [20:48] I remember last time :p [20:48] Haha, :D [20:49] lol [20:49] * slickymaster heads up to the kitchen [20:49] The lock of slickymaster timed out 39 minute(s) ago, and you were granted the lock for this page [20:49] ups, sorry about that Unit193 :P [20:49] my bad [20:50] better now? [20:50] ochosi: so, if we get down to 1 gstreamer copy, we should be right sized [20:50] xfburn will get us there, no? [20:50] I think so [20:50] with LO? [20:50] Nice, thanks micahg. [20:51] Unit193: wait, no, pidgin/farstream is the other big thing [20:51] Ah right, that. I'm really hoping that'll be fixed, either with patches or .12 release. [20:52] micahg: I've still been running pidgin with gst1.0, no issues. [20:52] I know 3.0 is a WIP [20:53] 2.10.12 should actually have them. [20:54] micahg: My plan was to bug robert_ancell about the LP bug. [20:54] great [20:55] #agreed does nothing. [20:56] Unit193: so core iso - I was going to make a start on testcases for those - no issue with the https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ link on there? [20:57] Wouldn't testcases be mini.iso? Then later we get the Ubuntu buildds? I have no other problems. [20:57] mmm [20:57] this is what I was talking about the other day ... [20:58] are we going to get this as an ubuntu build then? if so I'll hold fire [20:58] elfy, pleia2: maybe we can do some other one-off sticker "competitions"/raffles [20:58] That was the hope, I believe. I'll have to talk to bluesabre, our release eng. [20:59] Unit193: ok - well if you do that overnight could you ping me and I'll find the backlog [20:59] IMO, discussions should have nicks next to them, so we can figure out who needs to lead them. [20:59] elfy: Yes sir! [20:59] knome: possibly - but frankly - it's a whole lot of work if we need information from tracker [20:59] Unit193, at least it would be nice if the person who added the item to the agenda left a visible mark there [21:00] unless it's something subjective like "that user's been about a lot lately" [21:00] elfy, not necessarily tracker-related [21:00] elfy, or just "test this and take a screenshot while you do it, we draw one random sticker winner" [21:01] yea possibly [21:02] something more organix [21:02] s/x/c/ [21:02] and as i said, one-off, not a huge undertaking [21:04] then it definitely HAS to be not related to tracker unless it's done now ;) [21:05] lol [21:28] hey folks [21:28] sorry for being too late :( [21:28] No you're not! [21:29] i'll catch up with the backlog and join in then [21:29] * knome slaps ochosi [21:29] NAUGHTY BOY [21:32] I think the proper phrase is "Bad dog, no biscuit!". [21:48] ok, now i'm actually back [21:48] so [21:48] Hah, and I'm gone. :D [21:49] micahg: yeah, meh, pidgin :/ i don't see that getting fixed too soon, although Unit193 claims it will, we'll see.. [21:49] Erm, no. [21:49] no? [21:49] i thought you said some point release will do gst1? [21:49] I gave data, I just hope for this cycle. Yeah, from what I've read .12 will. [21:50] well that sounds a lot closer than 3.0 [21:50] actually, re: blueprints and LO, i'll add another workitem to w--artwork [21:51] so the meeting is still running officially? [21:51] #endmeeting [21:51] no [21:51] ochosi: https://hg.pidgin.im/pidgin/main/rev/2415067473ba [21:51] ochosi, what's that you're adding? [21:52] ochosi, i suddendly started thinking about some document templates and color schemes.. [21:52] Unit193: first of all: wow, they use mercurial. secondly: wow, nice! [21:52] templates is likely a bit in vain, i would imagine nobody wants to use a xubuntu template [21:52] yea, prolly not [21:53] but the icon theme could integrate better [21:53] that too [21:53] that's the one thing that doesn't really go along [21:53] bluesabre once worked out a script for replacing many icons with elementary-xfce ones [21:53] aha [21:53] but that was when i was extremely busy, so i had no chance to follow up [21:54] knome: btw, feel free to claim the wallpaper workitem [21:54] oh sigh, just dump my name in there :P [21:54] :] [21:54] ochosi: Yep! Try it out today™ :P [21:55] For me personally, all that's left is wine and I can get rid of gst0.10 on every system. [21:55] hmright, i dont use pidgin ;) [21:56] ochosi, wait, wallpaper item is not INPROGRESS? :P [21:56] hehe [21:56] ochosi, don't you remember [21:56] :P [21:57]