=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [05:45] morning boys and girls. [05:47] morning mammals [05:48] morning zmoylan-pi [05:50] * knightwise greets the carbon based units infecting the internet ! [05:50] * brobostigon puts on a borg voice, he is only parly carbon based. [05:51] partly* [05:51] Half borg - half KFC ? [05:51] lolz v.2.3.1 [05:51] * zmoylan-pi hands brobostigon a lozenge to help ease the borg voice [05:51] lolz v.2.3.1.1 [05:51] thanks zmoylan-pi [05:52] so anyone super excited by new android promises? [05:52] I'll see when it gets actual devices downstream [05:52] which ones? [05:53] ability to limit access to features in a device. kinda like what symbian had a decade ago :-) [05:53] i have a nexus4, so i am probably screwed except for when it goes to CM. [05:54] zmoylan-pi: CM has had that for ages. [05:54] though it seems you can't limit apps access to the internet for some reason [05:54] * brobostigon can, :) [05:56] * zmoylan-pi hugs my dumbphone... :-) [05:56] zmoylan-pi: i've turned off most notifications on my smartphone . its amazing how smoothing it is [05:57] soothing [05:57] i deleted pinterest app as it started using notification area to tell me to update the flippin app [05:58] God I hate the pinterest app. [05:58] it keeps on mailing you on and on and on ! [05:58] i had it on android tablet still knocking around [05:58] thats where my pebble is handy, silent phone, genetle vibe on activity. [05:59] brobostigon: same for me (has a moto360) [05:59] mostly use it to tell my phone to buzz at the end of a meeting [05:59] cool :) [05:59] ah. [05:59] for example : ok google , set a countdown timer for 60 minutes [06:00] android wear does look interesting however compared to my pebble, its still inferior in many ways. [06:01] sw and hw. [06:02] I disagree on that, I love the voicecontrol it offers [06:03] i'd hate to share an office with people using voice control... [06:03] there are useful things like that, however at a disadvantage when it comes to screen readability, battery life. [06:04] ease to program for. [06:06] zmoylan-pi: i use it mostly on the road and in the car [06:06] never in the office [06:07] yes, but it's like speakerphones, we've all been in public spaces where someone insists on using one... just bad manners [06:09] I use the 'secret agent' approach :) I only talk to my phone, i do it discretely :) [06:12] while holding your phone, stroking the screen in a deep sexy voice, "helllo phone, please call my wife." [06:13] if james bond had a phone, thats what he would do. [06:13] Indeed he would [06:13] na .. just a "ok google : Text nyana 'im on my way , eta 20 00) [06:14] my wife has the gear 2 , if she is in a rush she answers her phone on her watch [06:14] she can make phonecalls on that watch [06:14] but she never does it in publix [06:15] :) [06:16] I NEVER use speakerphone in public , that is just wrong [06:20] yep, you dont want half the planet to hear and listen in on your conversation. [06:25] treu [06:27] :) [07:19] morning all [07:19] m00 [07:19] morning [07:25] ok .. nearly cooked the I7 Cpu on my mac mini there [07:25] another nail in the coffin of running linux natively on unsupported hardware. [07:53] * popey squints back at Myrtti [07:54] Facebook squint, that was [07:57] :) [07:57] I figured === michelle is now known as Guest13124 [08:09] * Laney stares into the abyss [08:09] jimmy wales is on desert island discs atm [08:17] good moaning [08:17] morning [08:17] morning SuperMatt [08:20] ok , ... my mac mini just went nearly chernobyl on my while running Elementary .. for some reason temp sensors and fans didn't kick in. [08:20] * knightwise *harg* [08:20] thats it , im buying an xps13 with Ubuntu pre-installed [08:20] hah [08:20] I'm still pondering what to get :( [08:23] knightwise: XPS13 is a nice machine [08:24] knightwise: I ordered one of those on Wednesday [08:24] Morning all [08:25] I heard that the shipped version of ubuntu has some bugs though, might need to upgrade if that's not fixed yet [08:26] I liked the look of the new HPs which are coming to ebuyer with Ubuntu installed, but they only have Radeon cards D: [08:27] it was xps 13 or the x1 carbon for me [08:32] yeah, those are the two at the top of my list [08:32] but lack of touchpoint is a factor [08:37] everyone loves that [08:37] but I've never had it so nothing to miss for me :) [08:40] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Learn About Composting Day! 😃 [08:43] adding this to wishlist http://www.amazon.co.uk/FURminator-Long-Hair-DeShedding-Large/dp/B004WJ0L3Q [08:45] popey: Those type work quite well. As do the rubber mitts...I can look up what I bought if you like. [08:45] thanks [08:45] Ok, about to go on a call; will do after [08:46] i just have a plastic brush, which the cats aren't particularly interested in [08:47] popey, they are excellent. [08:47] popey, we have a furminator for our cats, and it really helps. [08:48] excellent [08:49] Plus it's sturdy enough to withstand being attacked if you catch them when they don't feel like it. 😉 [08:50] * davmor2 feed JamesTait to the worms to see how well he composts :D [08:52] popey: did you not instantly race out and buy one of those jml brushy scratch pads with catnip? [08:52] Laney, which one did you order ? The HD version or the QHD ? [08:53] Q BABY [08:53] Laney: Cool .. you sure ubunu won't have no scaling issues ? [08:53] find out when I get it :-) [08:53] popey: We have a dog with the pretentions of a double coat (typical mutt). This works quite well: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001GJSEI4 [08:54] davmor2, I had to put my foot down on that one - both boys wanted to get a couple. [08:54] Laney: is that the touch screen one? [08:54] popey: This also wroks well: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003UUC9UQ [08:54] sure is [08:54] interesting [08:55] JamesTait: I think you are missing the point of them, it's for cleaning cats not feet [08:55] this could be worth doing and just not use an external display at all [08:55] knightwise: 1880 at ×2 scaling is going to be okay [08:55] popey: This wasn't great on the mutt, but might trick a cat into thinking grooming is strokey time: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001BFDU32 [08:55] (I use an external display on my x220 because 1366x768 is too low) [08:55] I know the browsers were hidpi holdouts but not sure where they stand atm [08:56] but with a larger res display on new laptop I'd be tempted to get rid of my external screen and just use the laptop like a laptop [08:56] popey: Useless: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosewood-Protection-Salon-Grooming-Slicker/dp/B003GPD51W [08:56] heh [08:57] popey: We have a brush like this (kinda like a Furinator-combo) it works great: http://www.amazon.co.uk/SMALL-DOGS-Functionality-Brilliantly-Accessories/dp/B00LEE3BTI [08:58] Has the fine tooth side for getting out dead hair, and then a broad tooth for detangling/agitating the undercoat (which makes grooming easier) [08:59] And there ends "Ubuntu Pet Corner" :-) [08:59] Laney: i'm thinking of going for the Hd version. I love to work outside with it (its my mobile companion). Did you order the developer edition or just the windows version ? [08:59] knightwise: I got the one with 14.04 ... [08:59] what do you mean by the other one being better to work outside with? [08:59] because it'll have better battery life? [09:00] Laney: better batt life AND a matt screen (non touch) [09:00] ah [09:00] I'm okay with gloss outside if the screen is bright enough [09:00] but I can probably count on my fingers the number of times I've used this one outside in the 5 years I've had it :) [09:01] I will miss scrolling with touch .. I love that on my surface pro [09:03] I was on the verge of ordering a surface pro 3 yesterday and just running ubuntu in a fullscreen vm ... (and run ubuntu natively on my mac mini) but .. at the end I think i'm better of just running ubuntu on supported hardware. [09:05] yes. Trying to run it in a vm on a legacy OS might not be a very good user experience [09:11] bashrc_: So long as goodness like GPU passthrough is available; why would the VM give two stuffs about the host OS? [09:12] Unless the host OS is Windows 95.... [09:15] I have bought an HP ProBook 455 G2 with Ubuntu pre-installed. It claimed it was going to come with 14.04, but it actually came with 12.04, which was a bit annoying. I have reinstalled with 14.04.2 desktop and I now need to find the extra drivers for trusty. [09:18] ne2k: Go to 15.04. If you're going to take pain, may as well go for broke. [09:18] before I blatted 12.04, I noticed that it had some repositories from HP (precise-stella-wanhua and precise-oem-sp1 and precise-oem-sp2). I'm trying to work out what the equivalent repositories are for trusty [09:18] I'm finding 15.04 really nice, bar a few KDE glitches. [09:19] I can't seem to find ANY documentation on where these names come from, what stella means, what wanhua means, anything [09:19] is this a question for canonical, or for HP? the archives are hosted on hp.archive.ubuntu.com [09:19] ne2k: Meh, I have a few repros that are still labelled "precise". Not had any issues [09:20] ne2k: More a question for HP to be honest, it's their repo. If you can find the packages those repos provide, you can have a scout around. [09:20] Also, the repos can be hit via a browser; see if "trusty" is is listed when you do. [09:21] TwistedLucidity, I've done that. there are trusty-stella-* ones, but I don't even know what "stella" is. I'm looking for documentation on what this means [09:21] and finding it... missing [09:22] Looks like a Toshiba thing from an initial search [09:22] interesting [09:23] tbh, I just need a working rtl8723be wifi driver and the optimal fglrx [09:23] stella-wanhua appears to be screen controls. Canoncial is listed as the maintainer [09:23] TwistedLucidity, where are you finding this? [09:23] "Description: A Brightness Workaround" [09:23] ne2k: I'm just browsing the repo [09:23] http://toshiba-buffalo.archive.canonical.com/dists/precise-stella-wanhua/public/binary-amd64/Packages [09:24] Bingo :) [09:25] so that's not particularly important [09:25] so you think I could install the fglrx and rtlwifi packages from precise-oem-sp1 and it would be ok? [09:26] ne2k: http://askubuntu.com/questions/457341/wifi-drops-and-wont-reconnect-until-reboot-14-04-with-rtl8723be#458518 [09:26] That appears to be a complete solution for WiFi [09:26] TwistedLucidity, fwlps=0 [09:27] Aye, the commenter seems to have needed that. [09:30] I can see "trusty-oem-sp" and "trusty-oem-sp1" exist; but without know exactly what packages are provided I couldn't really tell you if they are the Trust versions of the Precise ones you have [09:31] I am sure someone with much more knowledge than me could help you more. [09:34] there's nothing for rtlwifi in the trusty-oem* repos, though [09:36] I think I need this http://hp.archive.canonical.com/pool/public/o/oem-wireless-rtlwifi-1367658-dkms/ [09:37] Laney: I just got the quote on the I5 [09:38] 1196, vat included === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:51] knightwise: quote? [09:51] I just got it from dell's website [09:52] price-offer [09:52] is that EUR? [09:54] yep [10:01] nod [10:06] symfony [10:07] friday fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I [10:13] Laney: typically i you phone dell up they negotiate if they think you won't buy === stevenm_ is now known as stevenm [10:20] non-Linux: Are small, clip-on LEDs a thing? Trying to find some for backpacks etc and failing. [10:21] TwistedLucidity, I have contacted HP and they tell me that they don't support Ubuntu. despite the fact that they sell a computer with Ubuntu installed [10:21] ne2k: How...odd. [10:22] TwistedLucidity, well, the maintainer on those packages does say "canonical engineering" etc. [10:23] ne2k: So what? The contract is between you and HP. [10:23] what contract? [10:23] TwistedLucidity, I bought the laptop from eBuyer, an online retailer [10:23] but they are boxshifters, so I don't expect them to know technical answers. they told me to contact HP [10:24] ne2k: Oh, in which case the contract is between you an eBuyer. [10:24] Not that that helps you [10:24] yes, and they have offered me a refund as the goods were not as sold. which is about as much as I would expect from them [10:24] Did that askubuntu things not help with the WiFi issue? Seemed like a full solution when I looked. [10:25] You may also find that 15.04 fixes issues too due to the newer kernel etc [10:25] ne2k: got a link to the device you bought? I'll raise it with the people who made the build. [10:26] TwistedLucidity: you can run the 15.04 kernel on 14.04 [10:27] popey: Aye, but it's so much easier to do "apt-get do-release-upgrade" IMHO. [10:27] popey, ooh, thanks. it's this: http://h20566.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/public/psi/home/?sp4ts.oid=6943834 [10:27] not if you want long term support it's not [10:27] release upgrade has only ever caused MAJOR, MAJOR problems for me, so I never do it [10:27] I want the LTS release [10:27] ne2k: got the ebuyer link? [10:28] ne2k: It does cause me some issues, but then I have more PPAs installed that is strictly healthy.... [10:28] popey, http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es [10:28] thanks [10:28] popey, are HP right that they didn't make the ubuntu build, that Ubuntu made it for them? [10:29] ne2k: and this thing ships with 12.04? [10:29] popey, well, the one I received yesterday did! [10:29] ok [10:29] thanks [10:29] and the certification page http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201404-14968/ only lists 12.04.4 [10:32] popey, what's your connection to this process? I don't understand how the whole thing works [10:32] Well the PPAs are run by our engineering services department [10:32] they will have done some work to enable the hardware [10:32] HP are denying all knowledge, saying they have no responsibility to support HP on the computer, but the computer came with an HP build of Ubuntu. so they are right? [10:32] which maybe why it ships with those PPAs enabled [10:33] popey, yes, indeed, but I thought HP had done that work. it was actually Canonical, then? [10:33] right, I'm mailing internally to raise this and find out if there's a better number you can call [10:33] we do that work [10:33] usually :) [10:33] it varies, sometimes we do most/all of it, sometimes it's in collaboration with people on their side [10:33] but let me get clarification from someone internal for you. [10:34] popey, so you work for canonical [10:34] yes [10:34] popey, can I PM you my e-mail address so you can keep me posted? [10:34] sure [10:34] or e-mail you? [10:34] I wish the Raspberry Pi/VC4 DRI driver was more finished :( [10:34] sure, alan.pope@canonical.com [10:35] * TwistedLucidity imagines popey walking down the office with the "baseball bat of blame" :-) [10:35] tricky when I work from home [10:35] popey, cheers. what's your "title"? [10:35] but yeah, i like that image [10:35] community manager [10:36] I have just apologized to the poor HP chat support operative for lambasting them [10:36] lol [10:36] haha [10:36] how did you contact them? phone or website chat? [10:36] web chat [10:36] ok, ta [10:39] ne2k: what's the output of "lsb_release -a" ? [10:39] popey, I don't haev the machine in front of me atm [10:40] ok [10:40] no worries [10:41] nice looking machine for the money though [10:41] odd that it came with 12.04 [10:41] popey, especially with the £50 cashback [10:42] nice [10:42] * popey considers lunch [10:43] * jpds too. [10:43] popey: take a close look at the ebuyer descriptions, they list a 12 compute core then later it is 10, 14.04 and it's 12.04 the list kinda goes on like that :) [10:45] davmor2, not that I can see [10:46] popey, just e-mailed you, got it? [10:47] yes [10:47] popey, cheers. any vague idea of when I might expect an answer? not trying to rush you at all, I'd just like to know if possible [10:48] dunno. will let you know as soon as I know [10:48] popey, ok, cheers [10:51] I had my eye on one of those laptops for my wife. [10:51] Odd_Bloke, I've got a second 8GB stick arriving too, for a total of 16GB [10:52] ne2k: How does it seem build-quality-wise? [10:52] Odd_Bloke, pretty decent. it's quite thin. the keyboard has a very nice action [10:53] it's kinda like a plastic copy of a macbook, if you like. the screen resolution seems very low for the size [10:53] ne2k: really sorry you've had the experience. [10:53] popey, well, it's hardly your fault, is it?! [10:53] Ah, yeah, that's something I noticed when considering it. [10:53] Odd_Bloke, no firewire, but then, what has? [10:54] Odd_Bloke, no expresscard, but then, what has? [10:54] ;-) [10:54] Odd_Bloke, no comment on the battery life yet as I only received it yesterday [10:54] I'm sure I could live with the absence. :p [10:54] Odd_Bloke, the battery does seem strangely small, though. the seemingly sell larger ones that stick out a bit if you want [10:54] Yeah, the battery does sound smallish. [10:54] Odd_Bloke, it's your basic "business" laptop [10:55] But my wife would have it plugged in most of the time anyway. [10:55] So I'll let you and popey iron out the creases, then I'll get one. ;) [10:58] ne2k: As was discussed yesterday, *everything* is Canonical's fault! :-P [10:59] TwistedLucidity, haha [10:59] I have to say that I am already quite impressed that someone from Canonical was actually here and actually offered to sort this out [11:00] TwistedLucidity: fun we all blame you, so does that mean everything is your fault? [11:01] davmor2: It usually is, but I stopped caring years ago! [11:01] haha [11:01] Odd_Bloke, I'll whack the solution on my blog https://atatdotdot.wordpress.com/ once I have it [11:03] popey, Shengyao Xue seems to do a lot of the stuff on this build [11:04] popey, is there any documentation anywhere on how this whole system fits together? like, what is hp.archive.canonical.com? what is stella? what is stella-wanhua? what is wataugafour? if you search for these names, nothing comes up apart from the package repositories. there's no explanation [11:05] ne2k: That is an amazing blog. [11:05] Odd_Bloke, isn't it just?! ;-0) [11:08] ne2k: basically any names you don't recognise are probably product code names [11:08] used because we get hardware before its released [11:08] so we don't reveal stuff that's under NDA [11:09] popey, fair enough. can the installer image for 12.04 that was on the laptop be reacquired from somewhere? [11:09] HP deny all knowledge of its existence [11:09] I don't know. I'll ask [11:09] despite having clearly been responsible for writing it to the disk before shipping it [11:09] ooh, had a reply [11:09] ne2k: are you happy for me to pass on your email address internally? [11:09] sure [11:09] ok [11:10] I bet it's an information not getting to the front line situation inside HP [11:10] ya [11:11] Laney: ah they don't need to know [11:11] ne2k: ok, passed on your email and irc nickname. hope they can help. [11:11] Laney: it's not like they deal with the customers.......wait a minute [11:12] Probably because first-line will tend to follow a "Have you tried turning it off and on?" script. Second (or maybe third) line would have the chops and info to deal. [11:13] TwistedLucidity, no, they sent me the link to the fglrx-*.tar installer. which I don't want, I want the proper repositories so it gets updated automagically. [11:13] And this reminds me, I need to email Verbatim for some info (only way to get at the third line folks) [11:14] ne2k: Oh right, there was at least /some/ info. More than I understood for before. [11:18] anyone on surespot? I've created an account but have no friends. lol [11:20] Never heard of it [11:21] ditto [11:21] Ah, like Telegram [11:24] ne2k: ah you need to join telegram then, that where all the cool kids are :) [11:26] SureSpot does multiple ids which I don't think Telegram does [11:26] Neat [12:09] doesn't telegram rely on proprietary servers, or is it like xmpp? [12:14] bashrc: their servers === dave is now known as Dave [13:22] bashrc_, same with surespot, but the end-to-end comms are cryptographically secure [13:22] supposedly === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_hols === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === zmoylan-pi is now known as zmoylan-me2 === zmoylan-me2 is now known as zmoylan-pi