bkerensa | wxl: I will have to pass my booth app was approved too | 15:34 |
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bkerensa | going to be demoing Mozilla VR | 15:34 |
bkerensa | :D | 15:34 |
wxl | bkerensa: yours is for kde? | 17:07 |
wxl | no mozilla that's right | 17:07 |
wxl | so sgclark you want to round up the kde folks again? | 17:07 |
wxl | sgclark: bkerensa: all this talk about kubuntu/cc may generate some more interest XD | 17:08 |
sgclark | hmm | 17:13 |
bkerensa | wxl: will you pay for power out of pocket? | 17:13 |
bkerensa | its like $300+ | 17:13 |
sgclark | not entirely sure kde will be interested after the laast email | 17:13 |
wxl | yikes, is that a thing? | 17:13 |
bkerensa | yep | 17:13 |
wxl | holy f********************* | 17:13 |
bkerensa | they just give you a booth man | 17:13 |
* wxl facepalms | 17:13 | |
bkerensa | you pay for everything else | 17:13 |
bkerensa | vacuuming | 17:13 |
bkerensa | power | 17:13 |
bkerensa | internet | 17:13 |
wxl | screw it, i'm bringing brochures and nothing else, then. | 17:14 |
bkerensa | trash | 17:14 |
bkerensa | LOL | 17:14 |
bkerensa | :D | 17:14 |
bkerensa | Mozilla pays for it all | 17:14 |
bkerensa | last year our booth cost $70k | 17:14 |
wxl | holy christ | 17:14 |
wxl | how is that possible?! | 17:14 |
bkerensa | we paid a firm to design us a booth | 17:14 |
bkerensa | internet | 17:14 |
bkerensa | power | 17:14 |
wxl | oh | 17:14 |
bkerensa | vacuuming | 17:14 |
bkerensa | swag | 17:14 |
sgclark | it was pretty fancy though.. | 17:14 |
bkerensa | dinners | 17:14 |
wxl | well ignoring the booth design and swag | 17:14 |
wxl | and dinners | 17:14 |
bkerensa | ;) | 17:15 |
bkerensa | dinners at fancy swank restaurants :P | 17:15 |
wxl | still $300 for power? | 17:15 |
bkerensa | yes | 17:15 |
wxl | that's some total bullcrap | 17:15 |
bkerensa | Unionized labor man | 17:15 |
bkerensa | :P | 17:15 |
wxl | i'll freaking bring a bike and generate my own | 17:15 |
wxl | a$$hats | 17:15 |
bkerensa | thats how much it cost a guy to come and unlock a metal panel and plug in a power strip | 17:15 |
bkerensa | :D | 17:15 |
wxl | sgclark: the one from charles? | 17:15 |
bkerensa | man it cost us like $3k to get this give away free donuts to attendees | 17:16 |
sgclark | yeah | 17:16 |
bkerensa | we then had to pay for the donuts too | 17:16 |
bkerensa | $3k just to have the privlege to do something nice | 17:16 |
bkerensa | ;) | 17:16 |
wxl | sgclark: i wasn't too convinced by his proof | 17:16 |
bkerensa | wxl: http://benjaminkerensa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_20140723_161033.jpg | 17:16 |
bkerensa | so that was our booth | 17:16 |
sgclark | me either, I am contemplating giving up hope and drafting my resignation | 17:17 |
bkerensa | and that was my team that worked under me to make it happen :D | 17:17 |
wxl | hm | 17:17 |
wxl | from kubuntu you mean sgclark ? | 17:17 |
wxl | or kde?! | 17:17 |
sgclark | mmhm (k)ubuntu , I will continue supporting bug fix releases to Vivid. but not wily | 17:17 |
bkerensa | sgclark: why resign? | 17:18 |
sgclark | the whole dang thing was handled soooo badly | 17:18 |
bkerensa | just ignore Ubuntu | 17:18 |
wxl | awwwww | 17:18 |
bkerensa | the CC anyways | 17:18 |
wxl | i kind of agree with bkerensa | 17:18 |
wxl | do your own thing | 17:18 |
bkerensa | ^ that | 17:18 |
sgclark | why should I put in my valuable (free) time to a project that has no care at all for the community. | 17:19 |
bkerensa | sgclark: thats the thing the project you contribute to is Kubuntu | 17:19 |
bkerensa | not Ubuntu | 17:19 |
bkerensa | stop supporting Ubuntu and focus solely on Kubuntu tasks | 17:19 |
sgclark | How is providing KDE packages to all of Ubuntu not contributing to ubuntu? | 17:20 |
bkerensa | because it supports Kubuntu | 17:20 |
bkerensa | Ubuntu users dont use KDE stuff | 17:20 |
bkerensa | ;) | 17:20 |
sgclark | pft | 17:20 |
sgclark | lies | 17:20 |
bkerensa | I never did | 17:20 |
bkerensa | :P | 17:20 |
bkerensa | sgclark: although if you do #ubuntu-expats is a channel to join | 17:21 |
bkerensa | :) | 17:21 |
wxl | man | 17:21 |
wxl | well i still have faith in the concept of ubuntu | 17:21 |
wxl | maybe not the current practices of the community leaders | 17:22 |
wxl | i'm sure going to keep trying | 17:22 |
wxl | although i feel i should join someone like mozilla instead | 17:22 |
sgclark | I up till a week ago, so did I | 17:22 |
wxl | (if only i didn't prefer chrome) | 17:22 |
bkerensa | http://doctormo.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-membership-2/ | 17:22 |
bkerensa | ^ sgclark also probably worth a read especially the comments | 17:22 |
bkerensa | a former Kubuntu Leader left a comment there... she left because some of the stuff that kicked off some years ago | 17:23 |
bkerensa | honestly Ubuntu has changed a lot since 2009 | 17:23 |
bkerensa | wxl: :( chrome | 17:23 |
bkerensa | you hate the open web bro? :P | 17:24 |
wxl | i know, bkerensa | 17:24 |
wxl | i know | 17:24 |
wxl | it's not a political move | 17:24 |
bkerensa | wxl: kees works on chrome ;) | 17:24 |
bkerensa | chrome OS I think | 17:24 |
wxl | i'll be honest: i love mozilla | 17:26 |
wxl | i love everything they stand for | 17:27 |
wxl | i love the people! | 17:27 |
wxl | and i don't hate firefox | 17:27 |
wxl | in my mind thunderbird is the only option for a gui mail reader | 17:27 |
wxl | but man there's just little tiny things about chrome that keep me with it | 17:27 |
wxl | kinda sucks. | 17:27 |
bkerensa | wxl: like what? I would like to know so I can share the feedback with the User Advocacy Team in case its not something we are aware of | 17:31 |
wxl | bkerensa: dumb stuff. and actually most of the non-FOSS stuff, like pepper, the pdf reader | 17:31 |
sgclark | ahh yes like of pepper is my main complaint | 17:32 |
wxl | the other stuff is just like i've gotten used to. certain extensions (which invariably exist for firefox), apps, sync | 17:32 |
sgclark | and cross pc sync | 17:32 |
sgclark | otherwise I love FF | 17:32 |
wxl | i use gmail a lot (i know, i'm like the devil's right hand man) and i like how it integrates neatly | 17:33 |
wxl | but i'm sure those things are pretty much good on firefox | 17:33 |
wxl | i haven't tried but i've been watching the development | 17:33 |
wxl | i used to have problems with memory leaks but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore | 17:33 |
wxl | in fact i've had problems with chrome lately | 17:33 |
wxl | although i do use beta so that may be the cause | 17:34 |
bkerensa | wxl: right memory leaks on Linux had been an issue | 17:37 |
bkerensa | Linux kind of comes last in terms of focus | 17:37 |
bkerensa | its our smallest user base | 17:37 |
wxl | tl;dr i'm totally in support of mozilla everything | 17:37 |
wxl | i'm just so far kind of stuck on chrome | 17:37 |
wxl | and honestly i don't know why i care so much about flash. i kind of freaking hate it. | 17:37 |
* wxl sighs | 17:37 | |
bkerensa | Pepper we cant support because we hope flash dies and think its a terrible technology | 17:37 |
wxl | flash is the new php | 17:37 |
bkerensa | PDF... we have a great pdf support in FF | 17:37 |
wxl | bkerensa: without extensions? | 17:38 |
bkerensa | yep | 17:38 |
bkerensa | built in | 17:38 |
wxl | ok well i can mark that off the list | 17:38 |
wxl | :) | 17:38 |
bkerensa | for gosh a long damn time | 17:38 |
bkerensa | two years or more? | 17:38 |
bkerensa | how long you been away from FF? | 17:38 |
bkerensa | :D | 17:38 |
wxl | it's been a while!!! | 17:38 |
bkerensa | you also are on LTS maybe? | 17:38 |
bkerensa | thats much slower than our release cycles | 17:38 |
wxl | yeah i'm using lts but it doesn't matter | 17:38 |
wxl | i won't pull from the repos typically | 17:38 |
wxl | like i'm running thunderbird daily >:) | 17:39 |
sgclark | lol Mutual Mexican standoff | 17:39 |
bkerensa | Thunderbird imho will die eventually | 17:39 |
bkerensa | its not in good shape | 17:39 |
sgclark | aww I like thunderbird | 17:39 |
wxl | oh god don't tell me that bkerensa | 17:39 |
bkerensa | I was doing Thunderbird Release Management in addition to FF Release Management | 17:39 |
wxl | please don't tell me that | 17:39 |
* wxl cries | 17:39 | |
sgclark | ikr | 17:39 |
bkerensa | well they dont have any real fulltime devs anymore | 17:39 |
* sgclark does too | 17:39 | |
wxl | i've tried and tried and tried and i cannot find anything else i like | 17:39 |
sgclark | hmm | 17:39 |
bkerensa | and no security folks | 17:39 |
wxl | nothing | 17:39 |
wxl | O_O | 17:40 |
bkerensa | so | 17:40 |
bkerensa | no security reviews | 17:40 |
bkerensa | of code | 17:40 |
bkerensa | its all community folks now | 17:40 |
bkerensa | one guy doing QA | 17:40 |
bkerensa | Firefox has hundreds going QA | 17:40 |
bkerensa | as an example | 17:40 |
bkerensa | :P | 17:40 |
wxl | fix it bkerensa ! | 17:40 |
bkerensa | its all about money | 17:40 |
bkerensa | TB made only debt | 17:40 |
* wxl cries | 17:40 | |
bkerensa | millions in debt | 17:41 |
wxl | let's do some crowdfunding | 17:41 |
wxl | tell me more about that | 17:41 |
bkerensa | ten full time staff with 100k salaries for years and marketing = debt | 17:41 |
bkerensa | :P | 17:41 |
bkerensa | Postbox FTW | 17:41 |
bkerensa | it is the future | 17:41 |
wxl | surely it's the same thing for ff tho? | 17:41 |
bkerensa | and the original thunderbird team actually makes Postbox | 17:41 |
sgclark | postbox? | 17:41 |
bkerensa | wxl: no | 17:42 |
bkerensa | Firefox makes millions | 17:42 |
bkerensa | tens of millions annually | 17:42 |
wxl | through the freaking search engine crap? :) | 17:42 |
sgclark | how? I thought it was non profit? | 17:42 |
bkerensa | and other things | 17:42 |
bkerensa | sgclark: non profit doesnt mean you cant make money | 17:42 |
wxl | i thought firefox was a "low profit" corp | 17:42 |
bkerensa | Mozilla makes more money then Canonical easily | 17:42 |
wxl | (like there's a thing in some states for that now) | 17:42 |
wxl | what do they call them? l3cs? | 17:43 |
wxl | postbox = ??/ | 17:43 |
bkerensa | yeah | 17:43 |
bkerensa | TB team when they got laid off and left went to make Postbox | 17:43 |
wxl | also i see no linux option | 17:43 |
sgclark | ok, clearly I need to pull out my dictionary lol | 17:43 |
bkerensa | exactly | 17:43 |
wxl | f this noise | 17:43 |
bkerensa | ;) | 17:43 |
bkerensa | but its great | 17:43 |
wxl | i forgot you are a freedom hater with yoru mac there, bkerensa :) | 17:43 |
bkerensa | wxl: I have multiple systems | 17:44 |
bkerensa | :P | 17:44 |
wxl | sgclark: read the book drive by daniel pink. that's where i learned about it | 17:44 |
bkerensa | synergy | 17:44 |
wxl | bkerensa: excuses, excuses :) | 17:44 |
bkerensa | wxl: also you been to a open source conference lately other than LFNW? | 17:44 |
bkerensa | ;) | 17:44 |
wxl | bkerensa: not lately, no. you win. :) | 17:44 |
bkerensa | Linux is in the minority even at FOSS conferences | 17:44 |
wxl | i know | 17:44 |
bkerensa | FLOSS Weekly hosts = all mac users :P | 17:45 |
sgclark | pft | 17:45 |
bkerensa | even The Linux Action Show = all done with mac osx | 17:45 |
bkerensa | ;) | 17:45 |
bkero | :| | 17:45 |
bkerensa | bkero: lawl | 17:45 |
bkerensa | :P | 17:45 |
bkerensa | you didnt know this? | 17:45 |
wxl | bkerensa: well not at lfnw | 17:45 |
sgclark | I am growing tired of fighting with OSX builds on my kde ci | 17:45 |
wxl | sgclark: sounds like bkerensa is volunteering the foss community to deal with that XD | 17:45 |
sgclark | lol | 17:46 |
bkerensa | wxl: oh they have a macbook all their software is OSX stuff ;) | 17:46 |
bkerensa | wxl: I am about to launch a show with them and its all OSX | 17:46 |
wxl | os x pisses me off | 17:46 |
bkero | I didn't know. I care as much now as I did back then though. | 17:46 |
wxl | it's not freebsd+ | 17:46 |
sgclark | darn osx and its crazy stupid outdated system libs... | 17:46 |
wxl | if it was, i'd be fine | 17:46 |
bkerensa | bkero: is it surprising to you though? | 17:46 |
bkerensa | bkero: you go to OSCON | 17:46 |
bkerensa | look around | 17:46 |
bkero | yup | 17:46 |
bkerensa | its like 60-70% OSX/Windows and the rest linux | 17:47 |
wxl | look, honestly i'm a pragmatist | 17:47 |
wxl | that's one of the reasons i choose the sometimes non-foss software i do | 17:47 |
wxl | function wins out over politics | 17:47 |
sgclark | indeed | 17:47 |
bkerensa | Anyways my setup at home is: Macbook, Linux on Mac Mini both into one display with Synergy | 17:47 |
bkerensa | so I can switch between both | 17:47 |
wxl | i had a period where i really loved os x | 17:47 |
wxl | and i think on the surface, it's wonderful | 17:48 |
* bkero will live in his beautiful free software world, tyvm. | 17:48 | |
sgclark | I have several linux boxes, but I do have a windows box. OSX is too rich for my blood >.< | 17:48 |
wxl | it's the underpinnings that irritate me | 17:48 |
bkerensa | mobile though its almost always OSX right now because I have not bought a new Linux laptop yet and my two linux laptops are dying | 17:48 |
wxl | yeah i'm kind of the opposite. i don't do windows, sgclark :) | 17:48 |
wxl | ALTHOUGH | 17:48 |
sgclark | hehe I like games, and alas windows, though steam is coming along nicely | 17:48 |
bkerensa | wxl: btw if you have not met bkero he works at Mozilla and is perhaps one of the biggest Linux zealots there | 17:48 |
bkerensa | :D | 17:48 |
wxl | i'm kind of exited about what open source microsoft might mean | 17:49 |
wxl | +1 for steam | 17:49 |
sgclark | yeah | 17:49 |
wxl | i need to build a steam box | 17:49 |
bkero | It means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish | 17:49 |
bkerensa | I think the only way Linux will have parity with OSX or Windows is if Canonical or Red Hat start bankrolling devs to port | 17:49 |
wxl | bkero: heard it before, but i think that may be a jaded view | 17:50 |
bkerensa | parity in terms of desktop apps that is | 17:50 |
bkerensa | wxl: also Mozilla was a big reason I got a macbook | 17:50 |
bkerensa | bkero: I blame Mozilla ^ | 17:50 |
bkerensa | that and gaming | 17:51 |
wxl | bkerensa: as you knwo, jmarinacci is a big apple fanboy. well, he uses just about every one of their products. i don't think he's a regular drinker of their kool-aid, though. | 17:51 |
bkerensa | running dota2, HoTs etc on Wine is not a option | 17:51 |
bkerensa | wxl: I use as much free software on OSX as possible | 17:51 |
bkerensa | LibreOffice | 17:51 |
bkerensa | Gimp | 17:51 |
bkerensa | etc | 17:51 |
wxl | bkerensa: in case it's not clear, i wasn't actually insulting your choice of hardware :) | 17:52 |
bkerensa | wxl: I know you were not | 17:52 |
wxl | just checking :) | 17:52 |
bkerensa | I hope someday I can play games without Wine on Linux | 17:52 |
bkerensa | good games | 17:52 |
bkerensa | to clarify | 17:52 |
sgclark | yeah | 17:52 |
wxl | heheheh | 17:52 |
sgclark | me too | 17:52 |
bkerensa | not TuxRacer ;) | 17:53 |
sgclark | lol | 17:53 |
wxl | hey come on | 17:53 |
wxl | i love tuxracer :) | 17:53 |
bkerensa | and fwiw steam fking blows on Linux | 17:53 |
bkerensa | they need to optimize their code | 17:53 |
bkerensa | it always cause my CPU to panic and shutdown | 17:53 |
wxl | huh | 17:53 |
sgclark | and to be fair I am trying very hard to get OSX going with KDE, and we are making good progress | 17:53 |
bkerensa | probably the hardware | 17:53 |
wxl | might be a particular game or games | 17:53 |
bkerensa | but still | 17:53 |
sgclark | Windows is next... that will not be fun | 17:53 |
bkerensa | I like "it just works" for gaming | 17:53 |
wxl | i play heavy bullets all the time quite happily | 17:53 |
bkerensa | try playing dota2 | 17:54 |
bkerensa | its supported on steam linux | 17:54 |
bkerensa | it would cause panic and shutdown | 17:54 |
bkero | Is this going to be the conversation where we all talk about how hard we tried to use linux but ended up needing to use windows/osx instead "to get real work done?" | 17:55 |
sgclark | I have not had much time to game, but the mmo shrouds of avartar runs great on Linux, native steam build | 17:55 |
sgclark | meh I use Linux for everything but the occasional gamines | 17:55 |
bkerensa | bkero: no because I still use Ubuntu on my desktop | 17:55 |
sgclark | err games | 17:55 |
bkerensa | I'm flexible in my use of OSes | 17:55 |
bkerensa | much like my use of mobile OSes where I switch between my flame and Nexus 6 often | 17:56 |
sgclark | but I may have more gaming time soon! : / | 17:56 |
bkerensa | wxl: anyways if you want to use the Portland office bkero is a great contact | 17:57 |
bkerensa | :D | 17:57 |
* wxl only uses linux except where we need to use windows for microsoft access at work… which we'll eventually deviate from and even then it's in a virtual machine | 17:58 | |
bkerensa | he also is a great speaker on all things open source but more so electric bikes :D | 17:58 |
bkero | heh | 17:58 |
wxl | bkero: so i don't know about these weirdos but you're in good company with me :) | 17:58 |
bkero | okay | 17:59 |
wxl | bkero: bike friday just started offering bionx builds on our cargo bikes and regular singles | 17:59 |
bkerensa | wxl: do you use irccloud? | 18:00 |
wxl | bkerensa: btw that dude you suggested who's the debian packager never got in touch at all. | 18:00 |
bkerensa | wxl: who? | 18:00 |
wxl | no, irssi | 18:00 |
bkerensa | you mean Steve Langasek? | 18:00 |
wxl | been meaning to switch to weechat but i dread the set up time :) | 18:00 |
wxl | yes! | 18:00 |
bkerensa | slangasek is in this channel ;) you should have pinged him more | 18:00 |
bkero | wxl: bionx? | 18:00 |
bkerensa | he is a Canonical Dev too ;) | 18:00 |
bkerensa | not just a Debian Packager | 18:01 |
wxl | bkero: electric bike bits from canada | 18:01 |
bkerensa | wxl: slangasek likes beer :D | 18:01 |
wxl | bkerensa: do you think if i just keep mentioning slangasek in every line he'll reply? | 18:01 |
bkero | wxl: Oh, cool. I built my own. Just finished my second. | 18:01 |
bkero | lipo battery packs, lyen controllers, crystalyte motors | 18:02 |
wxl | bkerensa: i know that i could certainly provide slangasek beer for a talk on debian packaging. our lug is full of beer nuts. | 18:02 |
bkerensa | wxl: it is possible | 18:02 |
wxl | bkero: nice. we experimented with our own builds but in the end, the bionx system is pretty amazing. the lack of a front wheel drive kind of sucks, though. | 18:02 |
wxl | oh and also slangasek | 18:02 |
bkerensa | wxl: also bdmurray gives good talks he is the Ubuntu Bug Master | 18:03 |
wxl | i like bdmurray. (slangasek, btw) | 18:03 |
bkero | wxl: Check out flykly | 18:04 |
wxl | bkero: will do. oh, and slangasek | 18:04 |
bkero | I have one of those coming. I'm grumpy because I was part of the second batch which is coming in july/august. | 18:04 |
wxl | bkero: the only thing i don't like is the dependence on the single speed | 18:06 |
bkerensa | wxl: you could also email him ;) vorlon@debian.org | 18:06 |
wxl | bkerensa: i already did that, so i think i'll have to keep mentioning slangasek for him to reply, as you suggested :) | 18:06 |
bkero | wxl: you can always do the front chainring gear selection | 18:07 |
wxl | bkero: come do a talk at our lug in eugene! | 18:07 |
bkerensa | wxl: slangasek@ubuntu.com perhaps? | 18:07 |
bkero | wxl: Eugene LUG, 'eh? | 18:07 |
bkero | Is it Eugene or UofO? | 18:07 |
wxl | bkero: yeah but that's not really significant enough | 18:07 |
wxl | bkero: eug | 18:07 |
bkero | okay | 18:07 |
wxl | a wee bit out of date but http://euglug.org/ | 18:07 |
wxl | bkero: i'll get you a ride on the bionx cargo bike :) | 18:09 |
bkero | haha okay | 18:09 |
bkero | wxl: I'll bring the electric skateboard down then. | 18:12 |
wxl | bkero: no way!!!! what deck? show me pics!!! | 18:13 |
sgclark | wow | 18:13 |
sgclark | I wanna see that | 18:13 |
wxl | a member of the lubuntu team has one or is working on one | 18:13 |
* wxl is healing from sprain caused by a skateboard injury | 18:14 | |
wxl | …so you';re in good company yet again :) | 18:14 |
bkero | wxl: Old sector 9 (Sektor9?) longboard that I had. Turnigy 63mm motor. 6s lipo battery pack. | 18:14 |
wxl | niiiice | 18:14 |
bkero | Using a wireless RC car throttle | 18:14 |
bkero | It's fun | 18:15 |
wxl | what length board? what wheels? reverse trucks? | 18:15 |
bkero | Alien wheels, standard trucks. There's a plate welded to the back truck, and a sprocket and belt that attach the motor to the wheel | 18:16 |
bkero | Here are some good kits: http://diyelectricskateboard.com/ | 18:16 |
bkero | http://diyelectricskateboard.com/product/single-motor-electric-longboard-kit/ is likely what you want. | 18:17 |
wxl | wow niiiiice | 18:17 |
wxl | alien workshop or those sunset led ones? :) | 18:17 |
bkero | I have alien workshop | 18:18 |
bkero | They do alright. They're pretty hard. | 18:18 |
wxl | hard for a longboard or hard? | 18:18 |
bkero | Haha, I wouldn't know the diff. :) | 18:18 |
wxl | i think i'm running 80a's on my hybrid deck | 18:18 |
wxl | heheheheh | 18:18 |
bkero | Either way it's fun, and zips me up hills. | 18:18 |
wxl | super rad | 18:19 |
wxl | can't wait to see it :) | 18:19 |
bkero | Is dangerously fast | 18:19 |
bkero | There's no speed limiter, so it'll knock you off and zoom away if you're not careful with the throttle | 18:19 |
bkero | It's cool that you can build one for around $350-400. The weirdest part is finding a way to mount a battery box. | 18:20 |
wxl | bkerensa: does mozilla sync extensions/themes/bookmarks/history across devices? | 18:39 |
bkerensa | yes | 18:40 |
wxl | sessions? | 18:40 |
wxl | i know firefox DEFINITELY handles session management a lot better | 18:40 |
wxl | man does that get me about chrome | 18:40 |
slangasek | hmm | 20:44 |
slangasek | that's a lot of highlights | 20:44 |
wxl | slangasek: yep, all to get you to come talk at our log! | 21:24 |
wxl | um | 21:24 |
wxl | lug | 21:24 |
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