| barrydk | Good morning everyone | 05:52 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | hi barrydk mazal and all others | 05:59 |
| pieter2627 | morning barrydk | 05:59 |
| pieter2627 | hi Kilos | 05:59 |
| Kilos | hi pieter2627 | 05:59 |
| pieter2627 | oh Kilos, i read the guide, and like gremble said it is geared more to the organizer - although it does give one an idea of things that will need helpers | 06:40 |
| Kilos | oh | 06:41 |
| === MaNL is now known as MaNI | ||
| Kilos | we will have to hear more from inetpro about the matter as i have no idea on what is needed and from who, pity kmf couldnt stay at the last meet to discuss it more | 06:42 |
| mazal | Morning everyone | 06:47 |
| inetpro | guys, just talk to him at https://twitter.com/kmf or https://www.facebook.com/karlfischer or https://plus.google.com/+KarlFischer | 06:52 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 06:53 |
| inetpro | you might even find his email address there | 06:53 |
| pieter2627 | morning mazal & inetpro | 06:54 |
| inetpro | or just start a discussion on our mailing list, I'm sure he's even subscribed there | 06:54 |
| pieter2627 | mailing list discussion seems good so that all are in the loop | 06:55 |
| Kilos | hi TinuvaMac | 07:53 |
| Kilos | morning superfly inetpro | 07:56 |
| superfly | hi Kilos, TinuvaMac, pieter2627, inetpro, mazal | 07:59 |
| pieter2627 | hi superfly | 08:00 |
| TinuvaMac | morning gents | 08:01 |
| mazal | Morning superfly, pieter2627, TinuvaMac | 08:24 |
| mazal | and who else did I miss ? | 08:24 |
| inetpro | mazal: me and many others :-) | 08:47 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:48 |
| mazal | Morning inetpro and many other :) | 08:48 |
| Kilos | dont ever miss the pro mazal | 08:48 |
| mazal | He's too undercover , always miss him | 08:48 |
| Kilos | h is a master lurker and smirker | 08:48 |
| Kilos | s/h/he | 08:48 |
| inetpro | ai! | 08:49 |
| mazal | What is a smirker ? | 08:49 |
| superfly | don't you worry, I'm watching him | 08:49 |
| * inetpro hides in the corner of the screen | 08:50 | |
| Kilos | iirc a smirk is one of those know better smiles | 08:51 |
| Kilos | one that says im not blind im just ignoring you | 08:51 |
| mazal | Ah | 08:51 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 08:52 |
| Kilos | but actually he gets rather busy at times so he is forgiven | 08:52 |
| inetpro | Kilos must be thinking inetpro knows it all | 08:52 |
| * Kilos waves to inetpro | 08:52 | |
| inetpro | thanks Kilos | 08:52 |
| Kilos | pro and fly are my favourites backstops when all else fails | 08:53 |
| mazal | Maaz did you learn to cook steak yet | 08:53 |
| mazal | Maaz | 08:53 |
| mazal | Maaz !!!! | 08:53 |
| mazal | Maaz is also a smirker it seems :P | 08:53 |
| Kilos | hes gone again | 08:53 |
| Kilos | oh no | 08:53 |
| Kilos | Maaz ping | 08:53 |
| Maaz | Kilos: pong | 08:53 |
| Kilos | lol ya he is just ignoring you | 08:54 |
| Kilos | hmm... slot working | 08:56 |
| Kilos | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#A22:00 | 08:56 |
| Kilos | hi drussell hows things there | 09:42 |
| drussell | Kilos: good! how's you? Happy Friday! | 09:42 |
| Kilos | good ty | 09:42 |
| magespawn | good day all | 09:57 |
| Kilos | hi my magespawn | 09:59 |
| mazal | Yum , now that was a lekker breakfast | 10:24 |
| * Padroni waves | 10:43 | |
| * Kilos waves back | 10:44 | |
| inetpro | hmm.... mazal has breakfast for lunch? | 10:46 |
| inetpro | hi Padroni | 10:46 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:46 |
| Padroni | hi | 10:46 |
| Padroni | long time | 10:46 |
| Kilos | ya where you been | 10:47 |
| Padroni | been so busy at work :/ | 10:47 |
| Kilos | aw | 10:47 |
| inetpro | ai! | 10:47 |
| mazal | inetpro: yep , never too late for breakfast ;) | 10:47 |
| inetpro | Kilos: why so quiet? | 12:38 |
| inetpro | it's Friday after all | 12:39 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 12:42 |
| Kilos | well everyone is so busy | 12:43 |
| Kilos | and ive been looking at the html stuff again | 12:43 |
| Kilos | that link in my new site where the link to africa site is, i was thinking of making that link in large text | 12:44 |
| stickyboy | systemd++ | 12:44 |
| Kilos | you like it sticks? | 12:44 |
| Kilos | just if it must be em or stronge yet | 12:45 |
| stickyboy | Kilos: Yah, I really like systemd. | 12:45 |
| stickyboy | Replacing cron jobs with systemd timers... w00t. | 12:45 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 12:50 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: you no approve? :P | 13:27 |
| Kilos | haha | 13:28 |
| stickyboy | Also, systemd has an NTP client. No need for ntpd (which provides a client AND a server) on a desktop (or most servers really). | 13:29 |
| inetpro | stickyboy: ai! | 13:41 |
| inetpro | stickyboy: so how do you do the server side for an internal ntpd server? | 13:43 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: Oh, this is for where I only want to use network time. | 13:49 |
| stickyboy | For providing NTP services you definitely need to use ntpd. :P | 13:49 |
| inetpro | ok | 13:50 |
| inetpro | it's about time that something as basic as the time is synchronised by default on any device | 13:52 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: Yah, indeed. | 13:52 |
| stickyboy | Without having the side effect of running ntp for the whole world to access on UDP 123. | 13:53 |
| stickyboy | (unless of course that is your intention!) | 13:53 |
| inetpro | exactly | 13:53 |
| * inetpro will have to look into the cron thing | 13:54 | |
| inetpro | stickyboy: thanks for highlighting that | 13:54 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: I was just setting up my new Arch box and noticed systemd can do a lot of the things. | 13:57 |
| stickyboy | Like, I was setting up my usual cron job for system backups (rsync to USB disk). | 13:57 |
| stickyboy | And I realized systemd has timers... and they're more flexible than cron. | 13:58 |
| inetpro | interesting | 13:58 |
| inetpro | unfortunately 'systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of binaries' | 13:59 |
| magespawn | inetpro but then you only have to look in one place, is that not a better way? | 14:14 |
| Kilos | wb Padroni | 14:17 |
| Kilos | oh 2 of you now | 14:17 |
| Kilos | hard day tail dragging | 14:18 |
| magespawn | home time chat later | 14:21 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 18:08 |
| inetpro | Maaz: hmm... | 18:40 |
| Maaz | hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking | 18:40 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:41 |
| Kilos | yup just sitting, not thinking as well | 18:41 |
| Kilos | too cold | 18:41 |
| inetpro | so do we have any winners in the chess game yet? | 18:42 |
| Kilos | nope | 18:42 |
| inetpro | ai! | 18:42 |
| * inetpro hoping that the community will be the winner | 18:44 | |
| Kilos | yeah | 18:44 |
| Kilos | i want kubuntu | 18:44 |
| Kilos | 16.04 | 18:45 |
| Kilos | inetpro did you see my lekker hackegotchi ? | 18:50 |
| Kilos | hackergotchi | 18:50 |
| inetpro | uh, have you seen mine? | 18:51 |
| Kilos | my dogter slim ne | 18:51 |
| Kilos | nono where is yours | 18:51 |
| inetpro | https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/731268272/inetpro_400x400.jpeg | 18:52 |
| Kilos | heehee mooi man | 18:52 |
| Kilos | but those drawing things arent the true you | 18:52 |
| inetpro | it's just another Avatar | 18:53 |
| Kilos | and you dont even wear a hat | 18:53 |
| inetpro | :-) | 18:53 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 18:53 |
| inetpro | just a personal icon | 18:54 |
| inetpro | nothing special about it | 18:54 |
| Kilos | yeah i know but someone has to rag you | 18:54 |
| Kilos | otherwise you get too parmantig | 18:55 |
| inetpro | ai! | 18:55 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:00 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 19:00 |
| stickyboy | I want more systemd in my life. | 19:16 |
| stickyboy | I do I do | 19:16 |
| inetpro | stickyboy: why? | 19:26 |
| inetpro | hi alphad | 19:26 |
| alphad | hi inetpro | 19:26 |
| inetpro | alphad: how are you doing on this Friday evening? | 19:29 |
| inetpro | stickyboy: what else have you found that is so magic? | 19:41 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: systemd timers are cool. | 19:47 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: Also, I learned how to setup network bridges in pure systemd. | 19:47 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: Also, systemd-nspawn is amazing... fuck docker. | 19:47 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: Also, systemd-timesyncd is simple replacement for client-only ntp | 19:48 |
| inetpro | stickyboy: sounds interesting, have you blogged about it yet? :-) | 19:48 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: Also, systemd unit files are way better than shell scripts for daemons. | 19:48 |
| stickyboy | inetpro: Eventually. :P | 19:48 |
| stickyboy | The systemd-timers are easy to blog about, I'll do that this weekend. | 19:48 |
| pieter2627 | stickyboy: what improvements do see in nspawn that beat docker - me also saw and only skimmed it the other day? | 19:49 |
| pieter2627 | then there is also rocket | 19:50 |
| stickyboy | pieter2627: Well, let me rewind. systemd-nspawn isn't supposed to be a docker killer. | 19:53 |
| stickyboy | It's for simple containers. | 19:53 |
| stickyboy | And for like, developing systemd. | 19:54 |
| stickyboy | :) | 19:54 |
| stickyboy | As you can imagine developing an init system on real hardware is really annoying | 19:54 |
| stickyboy | Regarding docker, I just can't figure out how to use it for anything in production yet. I deploy stuff with ansible, I manage "machines" which have firewalls and packages etc... not sure how to use containers yet. | 19:55 |
| stickyboy | CoreOS scares me. etcd, fleet, JSON API all teh things, etc. | 19:56 |
| stickyboy | Amazing potential... but I don't have those kinds of apps or infrastructure. | 19:56 |
| stickyboy | Container performance is enticing though. VMs blow. :D | 19:56 |
| pieter2627 | i also only started using docker 3-4 weeks ago - home server also 'crashed' and decided to redo the services using docker to learn it | 19:58 |
| stickyboy | Container security sucks too :D | 19:58 |
| pieter2627 | VMs are too resource hungry for me | 19:58 |
| stickyboy | So it's "LOL". :P | 19:58 |
| pieter2627 | yea that too, mine only binds on the internal interface... if that even helps | 20:00 |
| stickyboy | CoreOS has a better website than Docker. Those fonts, that color scheme. <3 | 20:00 |
| pieter2627 | haha | 20:00 |
| stickyboy | pieter2627: It's more about breaking out of the container than network stuff. | 20:00 |
| pieter2627 | meaning?? | 20:01 |
| stickyboy | I brought up a CoreOS cluster last year... kinda cool. But I don't work on that level yet. | 20:01 |
| stickyboy | pieter2627: Containers are supposed to be contained, isolated from the host OS. But they're not quite there yet. | 20:02 |
| stickyboy | Accessing the host. Accessing other containers. | 20:02 |
| pieter2627 | too hard or to easy | 20:03 |
| stickyboy | Too easy to break out of container. | 20:03 |
| pieter2627 | yes that does seem to be an issue | 20:04 |
| pieter2627 | isn't LXC a bit more contained - don't know much about it either | 20:04 |
| stickyboy | Well they're all using the kernel's LXC. | 20:05 |
| stickyboy | I think LXC itself just isn't there yet, security wise. | 20:05 |
| stickyboy | Containers are fast though... man. | 20:05 |
| pieter2627 | yea so the kernel is still 'open' | 20:05 |
| pieter2627 | massively, for development they are great - can have a web server up in secs | 20:06 |
| stickyboy | I don't know specifics though; I just see infosec guys laughing about container security on twitter sometimes. | 20:06 |
| stickyboy | I gotta read more. | 20:06 |
| stickyboy | pieter2627: Totally | 20:06 |
| pieter2627 | i also see the 'clever' peeps moaning in blog posts, but don't know enough to understand half of it | 20:07 |
| stickyboy | True | 20:07 |
| stickyboy | Aight, I gotta hit the sack. I spent 4 hours tonight fighting with SELinux. | 20:08 |
| pieter2627 | same here, see you guys tomorrow (maybe) | 20:08 |
| stickyboy | Peace | 20:08 |
| inetpro | good night ... | 20:16 |
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