[05:52] Good morning everyone [05:59] hi barrydk mazal and all others [05:59] morning barrydk [05:59] hi Kilos [05:59] hi pieter2627 [06:40] oh Kilos, i read the guide, and like gremble said it is geared more to the organizer - although it does give one an idea of things that will need helpers [06:41] oh === MaNL is now known as MaNI [06:42] we will have to hear more from inetpro about the matter as i have no idea on what is needed and from who, pity kmf couldnt stay at the last meet to discuss it more [06:47] Morning everyone [06:52] guys, just talk to him at https://twitter.com/kmf or https://www.facebook.com/karlfischer or https://plus.google.com/+KarlFischer [06:53] good mornings [06:53] you might even find his email address there [06:54] morning mazal & inetpro [06:54] or just start a discussion on our mailing list, I'm sure he's even subscribed there [06:55] mailing list discussion seems good so that all are in the loop [07:53] hi TinuvaMac [07:56] morning superfly inetpro [07:59] hi Kilos, TinuvaMac, pieter2627, inetpro, mazal [08:00] hi superfly [08:01] morning gents [08:24] Morning superfly, pieter2627, TinuvaMac [08:24] and who else did I miss ? [08:47] mazal: me and many others :-) [08:48] lol [08:48] Morning inetpro and many other :) [08:48] dont ever miss the pro mazal [08:48] He's too undercover , always miss him [08:48] h is a master lurker and smirker [08:48] s/h/he [08:49] ai! [08:49] What is a smirker ? [08:49] don't you worry, I'm watching him [08:50] * inetpro hides in the corner of the screen [08:51] iirc a smirk is one of those know better smiles [08:51] one that says im not blind im just ignoring you [08:51] Ah [08:52] hmm... [08:52] but actually he gets rather busy at times so he is forgiven [08:52] Kilos must be thinking inetpro knows it all [08:52] * Kilos waves to inetpro [08:52] thanks Kilos [08:53] pro and fly are my favourites backstops when all else fails [08:53] Maaz did you learn to cook steak yet [08:53] Maaz [08:53] Maaz !!!! [08:53] Maaz is also a smirker it seems :P [08:53] hes gone again [08:53] oh no [08:53] Maaz ping [08:53] Kilos: pong [08:54] lol ya he is just ignoring you [08:56] hmm... slot working [08:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#A22:00 [09:42] hi drussell hows things there [09:42] Kilos: good! how's you? Happy Friday! [09:42] good ty [09:57] good day all [09:59] hi my magespawn [10:24] Yum , now that was a lekker breakfast [10:43] * Padroni waves [10:44] * Kilos waves back [10:46] hmm.... mazal has breakfast for lunch? [10:46] hi Padroni [10:46] lol [10:46] hi [10:46] long time [10:47] ya where you been [10:47] been so busy at work :/ [10:47] aw [10:47] ai! [10:47] inetpro: yep , never too late for breakfast ;) [12:38] Kilos: why so quiet? [12:39] it's Friday after all [12:42] hmm... [12:43] well everyone is so busy [12:43] and ive been looking at the html stuff again [12:44] that link in my new site where the link to africa site is, i was thinking of making that link in large text [12:44] systemd++ [12:44] you like it sticks? [12:45] just if it must be em or stronge yet [12:45] Kilos: Yah, I really like systemd. [12:45] Replacing cron jobs with systemd timers... w00t. [12:50] hmm... [13:27] inetpro: you no approve? :P [13:28] haha [13:29] Also, systemd has an NTP client. No need for ntpd (which provides a client AND a server) on a desktop (or most servers really). [13:41] stickyboy: ai! [13:43] stickyboy: so how do you do the server side for an internal ntpd server? [13:49] inetpro: Oh, this is for where I only want to use network time. [13:49] For providing NTP services you definitely need to use ntpd. :P [13:50] ok [13:52] it's about time that something as basic as the time is synchronised by default on any device [13:52] inetpro: Yah, indeed. [13:53] Without having the side effect of running ntp for the whole world to access on UDP 123. [13:53] (unless of course that is your intention!) [13:53] exactly [13:54] * inetpro will have to look into the cron thing [13:54] stickyboy: thanks for highlighting that [13:57] inetpro: I was just setting up my new Arch box and noticed systemd can do a lot of the things. [13:57] Like, I was setting up my usual cron job for system backups (rsync to USB disk). [13:58] And I realized systemd has timers... and they're more flexible than cron. [13:58] interesting [13:59] unfortunately 'systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of binaries' [14:14] inetpro but then you only have to look in one place, is that not a better way? [14:17] wb Padroni [14:17] oh 2 of you now [14:18] hard day tail dragging [14:21] home time chat later [18:08] hmm... [18:40] Maaz: hmm... [18:40] hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking [18:41] hehe [18:41] yup just sitting, not thinking as well [18:41] too cold [18:42] so do we have any winners in the chess game yet? [18:42] nope [18:42] ai! [18:44] * inetpro hoping that the community will be the winner [18:44] yeah [18:44] i want kubuntu [18:45] 16.04 [18:50] inetpro did you see my lekker hackegotchi ? [18:50] hackergotchi [18:51] uh, have you seen mine? [18:51] my dogter slim ne [18:51] nono where is yours [18:52] https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/731268272/inetpro_400x400.jpeg [18:52] heehee mooi man [18:52] but those drawing things arent the true you [18:53] it's just another Avatar [18:53] and you dont even wear a hat [18:53] :-) [18:53] hahaha [18:54] just a personal icon [18:54] nothing special about it [18:54] yeah i know but someone has to rag you [18:55] otherwise you get too parmantig [18:55] ai! [19:00] night all. sleep tight [19:00] hmm... [19:16] I want more systemd in my life. [19:16] I do I do [19:26] stickyboy: why? [19:26] hi alphad [19:26] hi inetpro [19:29] alphad: how are you doing on this Friday evening? [19:41] stickyboy: what else have you found that is so magic? [19:47] inetpro: systemd timers are cool. [19:47] inetpro: Also, I learned how to setup network bridges in pure systemd. [19:47] inetpro: Also, systemd-nspawn is amazing... fuck docker. [19:48] inetpro: Also, systemd-timesyncd is simple replacement for client-only ntp [19:48] stickyboy: sounds interesting, have you blogged about it yet? :-) [19:48] inetpro: Also, systemd unit files are way better than shell scripts for daemons. [19:48] inetpro: Eventually. :P [19:48] The systemd-timers are easy to blog about, I'll do that this weekend. [19:49] stickyboy: what improvements do see in nspawn that beat docker - me also saw and only skimmed it the other day? [19:50] then there is also rocket [19:53] pieter2627: Well, let me rewind. systemd-nspawn isn't supposed to be a docker killer. [19:53] It's for simple containers. [19:54] And for like, developing systemd. [19:54] :) [19:54] As you can imagine developing an init system on real hardware is really annoying [19:55] Regarding docker, I just can't figure out how to use it for anything in production yet. I deploy stuff with ansible, I manage "machines" which have firewalls and packages etc... not sure how to use containers yet. [19:56] CoreOS scares me. etcd, fleet, JSON API all teh things, etc. [19:56] Amazing potential... but I don't have those kinds of apps or infrastructure. [19:56] Container performance is enticing though. VMs blow. :D [19:58] i also only started using docker 3-4 weeks ago - home server also 'crashed' and decided to redo the services using docker to learn it [19:58] Container security sucks too :D [19:58] VMs are too resource hungry for me [19:58] So it's "LOL". :P [20:00] yea that too, mine only binds on the internal interface... if that even helps [20:00] CoreOS has a better website than Docker. Those fonts, that color scheme. <3 [20:00] haha [20:00] pieter2627: It's more about breaking out of the container than network stuff. [20:01] meaning?? [20:01] I brought up a CoreOS cluster last year... kinda cool. But I don't work on that level yet. [20:02] pieter2627: Containers are supposed to be contained, isolated from the host OS. But they're not quite there yet. [20:02] Accessing the host. Accessing other containers. [20:03] too hard or to easy [20:03] Too easy to break out of container. [20:04] yes that does seem to be an issue [20:04] isn't LXC a bit more contained - don't know much about it either [20:05] Well they're all using the kernel's LXC. [20:05] I think LXC itself just isn't there yet, security wise. [20:05] Containers are fast though... man. [20:05] yea so the kernel is still 'open' [20:06] massively, for development they are great - can have a web server up in secs [20:06] I don't know specifics though; I just see infosec guys laughing about container security on twitter sometimes. [20:06] I gotta read more. [20:06] pieter2627: Totally [20:07] i also see the 'clever' peeps moaning in blog posts, but don't know enough to understand half of it [20:07] True [20:08] Aight, I gotta hit the sack. I spent 4 hours tonight fighting with SELinux. [20:08] same here, see you guys tomorrow (maybe) [20:08] Peace [20:16] good night ...