[05:52] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[05:59] <Kilos> hi barrydk  mazal  and all others
[05:59] <pieter2627> morning barrydk 
[05:59] <pieter2627> hi Kilos 
[05:59] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[06:40] <pieter2627> oh Kilos, i read the guide, and like gremble said it is geared more to the organizer - although it does give one an idea of things that will need helpers
[06:41] <Kilos> oh 
[06:42] <Kilos> we will have to hear more from inetpro  about the matter as i have no idea on what is needed and from who, pity kmf couldnt stay at the last meet to discuss it more
[06:47] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:52] <inetpro> guys, just talk to him at https://twitter.com/kmf or https://www.facebook.com/karlfischer or https://plus.google.com/+KarlFischer
[06:53] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:53] <inetpro> you might even find his email address there
[06:54] <pieter2627> morning mazal & inetpro 
[06:54] <inetpro> or just start a discussion on our mailing list, I'm sure he's even subscribed there
[06:55] <pieter2627> mailing list discussion seems good so that all are in the loop
[07:53] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:56] <Kilos> morning superfly  inetpro  
[07:59] <superfly> hi Kilos, TinuvaMac, pieter2627, inetpro, mazal
[08:00] <pieter2627> hi superfly 
[08:01] <TinuvaMac> morning gents
[08:24] <mazal> Morning superfly, pieter2627, TinuvaMac
[08:24] <mazal> and who else did I miss ?
[08:47] <inetpro> mazal: me and many others :-)
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:48] <mazal> Morning inetpro and many other :)
[08:48] <Kilos> dont ever miss the pro mazal  
[08:48] <mazal> He's too undercover , always miss him
[08:48] <Kilos> h is a master lurker and smirker
[08:48] <Kilos> s/h/he
[08:49] <inetpro> ai!
[08:49] <mazal> What is a smirker ?
[08:49] <superfly> don't you worry, I'm watching him
[08:50]  * inetpro hides in the corner of the screen
[08:51] <Kilos> iirc a smirk is one of those know better smiles
[08:51] <Kilos> one that says im not blind im just ignoring you
[08:51] <mazal> Ah
[08:52] <inetpro> hmm... 
[08:52] <Kilos> but actually he gets rather busy at times so he is forgiven
[08:52] <inetpro> Kilos must be thinking inetpro knows it all
[08:52]  * Kilos waves to inetpro
[08:52] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[08:53] <Kilos> pro and fly are my favourites backstops when all else fails
[08:53] <mazal> Maaz did you learn to cook steak yet
[08:53] <mazal> Maaz
[08:53] <mazal> Maaz !!!!
[08:53] <mazal> Maaz is also a smirker it seems :P
[08:53] <Kilos> hes gone again
[08:53] <Kilos> oh no
[08:53] <Kilos> Maaz  ping
[08:53] <Maaz> Kilos: pong
[08:54] <Kilos> lol ya he is just ignoring you
[08:56] <Kilos> hmm... slot working
[08:56] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#A22:00
[09:42] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows things there
[09:42] <drussell> Kilos: good! how's you? Happy Friday!
[09:42] <Kilos> good ty
[09:57] <magespawn> good day all
[09:59] <Kilos> hi my magespawn  
[10:24] <mazal> Yum , now that was a lekker breakfast
[10:43]  * Padroni waves
[10:44]  * Kilos waves back
[10:46] <inetpro> hmm.... mazal has breakfast for lunch?
[10:46] <inetpro> hi Padroni
[10:46] <Kilos> lol
[10:46] <Padroni> hi
[10:46] <Padroni> long time
[10:47] <Kilos> ya where you been
[10:47] <Padroni> been so busy at work :/
[10:47] <Kilos> aw
[10:47] <inetpro> ai!
[10:47] <mazal> inetpro: yep , never too late for breakfast ;)
[12:38] <inetpro> Kilos: why so quiet? 
[12:39] <inetpro> it's Friday after all
[12:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:43] <Kilos> well everyone is so busy
[12:43] <Kilos> and ive been looking at the html stuff again
[12:44] <Kilos> that link in my new site where the link to africa site is, i was thinking of making that link in large text
[12:44] <stickyboy> systemd++
[12:44] <Kilos> you like it sticks?
[12:45] <Kilos> just if it must be em or stronge yet
[12:45] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yah, I really like systemd.
[12:45] <stickyboy> Replacing cron jobs with systemd timers... w00t.
[12:50] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:27] <stickyboy> inetpro: you no approve? :P
[13:28] <Kilos> haha
[13:29] <stickyboy> Also, systemd has an NTP client. No need for ntpd (which provides a client AND a server) on a desktop (or most servers really).
[13:41] <inetpro> stickyboy: ai!
[13:43] <inetpro> stickyboy: so how do you do the server side for an internal ntpd server?
[13:49] <stickyboy> inetpro: Oh, this is for where I only want to use network time.
[13:49] <stickyboy> For providing NTP services you definitely need to use ntpd. :P
[13:50] <inetpro> ok
[13:52] <inetpro> it's about time that something as basic as the time is synchronised by default on any device
[13:52] <stickyboy> inetpro: Yah, indeed.
[13:53] <stickyboy> Without having the side effect of running ntp for the whole world to access on UDP 123.
[13:53] <stickyboy> (unless of course that is your intention!)
[13:53] <inetpro> exactly
[13:54]  * inetpro will have to look into the cron thing
[13:54] <inetpro> stickyboy: thanks for highlighting that
[13:57] <stickyboy> inetpro: I was just setting up my new Arch box and noticed systemd can do a lot of the things.
[13:57] <stickyboy> Like, I was setting up my usual cron job for system backups (rsync to USB disk).
[13:58] <stickyboy> And I realized systemd has timers... and they're more flexible than cron.
[13:58] <inetpro> interesting
[13:59] <inetpro> unfortunately  'systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of binaries'
[14:14] <magespawn> inetpro but then you only have to look in one place, is that not a better way?
[14:17] <Kilos> wb Padroni  
[14:17] <Kilos> oh 2 of you now
[14:18] <Kilos> hard day tail dragging
[14:21] <magespawn> home time chat later
[18:08] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:40] <inetpro> Maaz: hmm...
[18:40] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[18:41] <Kilos> hehe
[18:41] <Kilos> yup just sitting, not thinking as well
[18:41] <Kilos> too cold
[18:42] <inetpro> so do we have any winners in the chess game yet?
[18:42] <Kilos> nope
[18:42] <inetpro> ai!
[18:44]  * inetpro hoping that the community will be the winner
[18:44] <Kilos> yeah
[18:44] <Kilos> i want kubuntu
[18:45] <Kilos> 16.04
[18:50] <Kilos> inetpro  did you see my lekker hackegotchi ?
[18:50] <Kilos> hackergotchi
[18:51] <inetpro> uh, have you seen mine?
[18:51] <Kilos> my dogter slim ne
[18:51] <Kilos> nono where is yours
[18:52] <inetpro> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/731268272/inetpro_400x400.jpeg
[18:52] <Kilos> heehee mooi man
[18:52] <Kilos> but those drawing things arent the true you
[18:53] <inetpro> it's just another Avatar
[18:53] <Kilos> and you dont even wear a hat
[18:53] <inetpro> :-)
[18:53] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:54] <inetpro> just a personal icon
[18:54] <inetpro> nothing special about it
[18:54] <Kilos> yeah i know but someone has to rag you
[18:55] <Kilos> otherwise you get too parmantig
[18:55] <inetpro> ai!
[19:00] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:16] <stickyboy> I want more systemd in my life.
[19:16] <stickyboy> I do I do
[19:26] <inetpro> stickyboy: why?
[19:26] <inetpro> hi alphad
[19:26] <alphad> hi inetpro 
[19:29] <inetpro> alphad: how are you doing on this Friday evening?
[19:41] <inetpro> stickyboy: what else have you found that is so magic?
[19:47] <stickyboy> inetpro: systemd timers are cool.
[19:47] <stickyboy> inetpro: Also, I learned how to setup network bridges in pure systemd.
[19:47] <stickyboy> inetpro: Also, systemd-nspawn is amazing... fuck docker.
[19:48] <stickyboy> inetpro: Also, systemd-timesyncd is simple replacement for client-only ntp
[19:48] <inetpro> stickyboy: sounds interesting, have you blogged about it yet? :-)
[19:48] <stickyboy> inetpro: Also, systemd unit files are way better than shell scripts for daemons.
[19:48] <stickyboy> inetpro: Eventually. :P
[19:48] <stickyboy> The systemd-timers are easy to blog about, I'll do that this weekend.
[19:49] <pieter2627> stickyboy: what improvements do see in nspawn that beat docker - me also saw and only skimmed it the other day?
[19:50] <pieter2627> then there is also rocket
[19:53] <stickyboy> pieter2627: Well, let me rewind. systemd-nspawn isn't supposed to be a docker killer.
[19:53] <stickyboy> It's for simple containers.
[19:54] <stickyboy> And for like, developing systemd.
[19:54] <stickyboy> :)
[19:54] <stickyboy> As you can imagine developing an init system on real hardware is really annoying
[19:55] <stickyboy> Regarding docker, I just can't figure out how to use it for anything in production yet. I deploy stuff with ansible, I manage "machines" which have firewalls and packages etc... not sure how to use containers yet.
[19:56] <stickyboy> CoreOS scares me. etcd, fleet, JSON API all teh things, etc.
[19:56] <stickyboy> Amazing potential... but I don't have those kinds of apps or infrastructure.
[19:56] <stickyboy> Container performance is enticing though. VMs blow. :D
[19:58] <pieter2627> i also only started using docker 3-4 weeks ago - home server also 'crashed' and decided to redo the services using docker to learn it
[19:58] <stickyboy> Container security sucks too :D
[19:58] <pieter2627> VMs are too resource hungry for me
[19:58] <stickyboy> So it's "LOL". :P
[20:00] <pieter2627> yea that too, mine only binds on the internal interface... if that even helps
[20:00] <stickyboy> CoreOS has a better website than Docker. Those fonts, that color scheme. <3
[20:00] <pieter2627> haha
[20:00] <stickyboy> pieter2627: It's more about breaking out of the container than network stuff.
[20:01] <pieter2627> meaning??
[20:01] <stickyboy> I brought up a CoreOS cluster last year... kinda cool. But I don't work on that level yet.
[20:02] <stickyboy> pieter2627: Containers are supposed to be contained, isolated from the host OS. But they're not quite there yet.
[20:02] <stickyboy> Accessing the host. Accessing other containers.
[20:03] <pieter2627> too hard or to easy
[20:03] <stickyboy> Too easy to break out of container.
[20:04] <pieter2627> yes that does seem to be an issue
[20:04] <pieter2627> isn't LXC a bit more contained - don't know much about it either
[20:05] <stickyboy> Well they're all using the kernel's LXC.
[20:05] <stickyboy> I think LXC itself just isn't there yet, security wise.
[20:05] <stickyboy> Containers are fast though... man.
[20:05] <pieter2627> yea so the kernel is still 'open'
[20:06] <pieter2627> massively, for development they are great - can have a web server up in secs
[20:06] <stickyboy> I don't know specifics though; I just see infosec guys laughing about container security on twitter sometimes.
[20:06] <stickyboy> I gotta read more.
[20:06] <stickyboy> pieter2627: Totally
[20:07] <pieter2627> i also see the 'clever' peeps moaning in blog posts, but don't know enough to understand half of it
[20:07] <stickyboy> True
[20:08] <stickyboy> Aight, I gotta hit the sack. I spent 4 hours tonight fighting with SELinux.
[20:08] <pieter2627> same here, see you guys tomorrow (maybe)
[20:08] <stickyboy> Peace
[20:16] <inetpro> good night ...