[00:04] ochosi: Now it's all up to xfburn. [00:38] bluesabre: As linked earlier, http://paste.openstack.org/show/zZTHqewdJcagM769YkZJ is a quick grep in x-d-s. [03:05] Unit193: go ahead and push any changes needed for x-d-s [03:05] I don't have any changes. [03:07] ah...? [03:07] so the grep is for changes we need to make for LO to take over, right? [03:08] Aye, considering they all say abiword? :P [03:08] Eh, so... This is a community meeting, right? [03:08] Abiword, gimp, gnumeric. [03:08] Scout_: No, that was hours ago. :) [03:09] Oh wow [03:09] Darn, lol [03:09] 16:00 our time (bluesabre, me), and it is 23:00 now. [03:09] :D [03:09] bluesabre: Everyone else should move to our time, shouldn't they?! [03:10] Unit193: agreed, and then maybe we could have meetings around 6pm our time :D [03:10] What'd that be in PDT? I tried finding some sort of thing online for it, but didn't find much [03:10] Unit193: I'll look at swapping LO into that grep tomorrow [03:10] Scout_: We're in KY/OH, but generally the team uses UTC to not be confusing. [03:10] bluesabre: Great! [03:11] bluesabre: Poked an infinity lately? I got someone to pull in a pidgin with gst1.0. [03:11] Unit193: nice [03:11] Scout_: We also try to link to sites like http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+community+meeting&iso=20150528T20&ah=1 if we can, so that it'll be converted to your time. [03:12] haven't poked anybody lately, will probably not tonight either... but soon [03:12] bluesabre: xfburn and we should be able to drop gst0.10! \o/ [03:12] Unit193: the pidgin news is lovely then :) [03:12] bluesabre: Awwh. [03:12] And yeah! :D [03:12] Darn, 1pm, wouldn't have been able to attend anyways :/ [03:12] xfburn is ported as of the latest release, right? [03:12] Scout_: There's minutes at least. [03:12] bluesabre: Right, it'll filter in from Debian soon™ [03:13] very very nice === Unit193 changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Support at #xubuntu | http://ubottu.com/y/ww | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Daily testing with results: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [03:13] How long do one of these meetings typically last, and what [03:13] what's discussed* [03:14] Depends what's on the agenda (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings) and who is there, for both questions. [03:16] Alright, only asking since I'm not much of a programmer per say, but'd like to at the least attend one of the meetings :P [03:16] usually a bit under an hour, then everybody shows up a few minutes after the meeting ends [03:17] bed time for me... got xubuntu-artwork uploaded, so accomplished 1 thing today [03:17] good night all [03:19] Scout_: What're you interested in helping with? There's many different areas. [03:19] bluesabre: Awwwh, good nighty. [03:19] General run of the mill testing of the latest stuff, reporting back with bugs, that kinda stuff [03:25] Not sure if that's developer channel worthy, but I thought I'd poke around and ask... [03:25] QA, nice! Always need help there. [03:25] Well, our QA lead will wake up at 2am (thereabouts) my time. [03:26] elfy: No discussion on core. [03:27] Oh, awesome! I'm assuming QA Will be something like "Does ______ work? Does _______ have issues?" [03:31] Not precisely, no. [03:32] Oh, what might it consist of in that case? [03:35] Sorry, have to run real quick. :3 [03:36] Alright, well, I'll be here watching YouTube [03:36] lol [03:59] Hah. [06:09] Unit193: wowza, that was a lot quicker than expected (pidgin, gst1) [06:10] :) [06:11] so how did you manage to sneak that in again? :) [06:12] Bug robert_ancell, say "new and shiny", or rather say "get rid of gst0.10" [06:13] pidgin-sipe is broken now, but no big deal. :D [06:13] :D [06:13] * ochosi high-fives Unit193 [06:13] Danke! [06:14] (Also been testing it since March.) [06:17] apart from gst1.0, were there any other transitions ahead? [06:17] (i mean yeah, gtk3.16, but other than that) [06:18] bluez was a topic last cycle, but i don't remember whether it was upgraded [07:31] ochosi knome: graphics for team pages? something like this for QA methinks http://tinyurl.com/pxyosc4 [07:34] hehe [07:39] I call http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/137/5c4.jpg [07:40] yeah, sry elfy, i'm with Unit193 on this one :) [07:40] works for me - looks like an application for QA lead to me :D [07:40] might be one of my favorites [07:40] I'm free !!!!! [07:40] Nono, yours fits for QA, mine fits for devel! :D [07:40] hahaha [07:57] elfy: i know you have a desktop and all, but would you mind testing a new xfpm feature i was working on for 1.5.x? [07:57] if you keep asking me if I mind then I'll start saying no :D [07:57] of course I will - as always ;) [07:58] haha [07:58] ok [07:58] nice to be polite of course - but you can take it as read that if it's possible for me to do something then I will :) [07:59] it's attached here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4499 [07:59] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 4499 in General "Display percentage and battery time next to icon" [Enhancement,Assigned] [07:59] with the obvious caveat that ellipse=circle for my eyes unless it is blindingly obvious [08:00] :) [08:00] no, this is very visible [08:00] ochosi: would that not be better to test on laptop? [08:00] theoretically yes, but actually the times are values returned by upower [08:00] so if they're wrong or off, not our fault [08:01] it's more about the label showing up and all [08:01] that could use some testing [08:01] and no nasty sideeffects [08:01] (like breakage of the systray icon) [08:01] ok - well I can do both if that's helpful [08:01] oh [08:01] actually it would [08:01] okey doke [08:01] i mean you can also just test it on the laptop [08:01] that would be better, i forgot you had one [08:02] right [08:02] so just patch the git xfpm and install it? [08:02] yup [08:02] with "git apply $patch" [08:02] okey doke - got a few things to do today,but I'll fit in [08:03] yup [08:03] oh, actually [08:03] lol [08:03] the hidden property doesn't get created automatically [08:03] so open xfce4-settings-editor, channel xfce4-power-manager [08:03] and create "show-panel-label", Integer [08:03] then you can switch through 0 to 3 for all variants [08:05] ok [08:06] you can also use this: [08:06] xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label -s 1 [08:06] where "1" is the integer value [08:06] and first this to create the property: [08:06] xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -n /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label [08:07] (sry, i really should've thought more about this initially and given you a clearer writeup :/ ) [08:07] ha ha ha [08:07] it's ok - I'll work it out :) [08:07] errr this will create the property: [08:07] xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -n -p /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label [08:07] forgot the -p [08:08] well if you get stuck just lemme know! [08:08] will do [08:38] elfy, haha, you made me literally chuckle [08:39] elfy, but to answer your question seriously, no, i was just thinking about the involvement frontpage - but why not teams too - later [08:39] :) [08:39] morning elfy, knome [08:40] hey slickymasterWork [08:40] morning [08:42] bah [08:42] hah [08:42] Unit193, you messed up the minutes in the wiki [08:42] you add the ones from the 12-05 meeting, not the ones from yesterday :P [08:44] I didn't edit that page. [08:44] Unit193, you no good [08:44] yes you did Unit193 -> Xubuntu/Meetings (last edited 2015-05-28 20:57:44 by unit193) === qwebirc153739 is now known as slickymasterWork [08:44] ahhahahahaha! [08:45] But for other things. That's automatic, or something, I think. [08:45] this is so good [08:45] * knome gets popcorn [08:45] It's close enough at least. [08:45] weren't you supposed to add the minutes to the wiki Unit193? [08:45] ochosi: re meetings - you want the next one soonish? and what time would you want it if we're going to "blueprints"? [08:45] I did. [08:45] apparently you didn't :P [08:46] Unit193: frankly I think that editing the meeting page should be docs responsibility [08:46] it's still with the 12-05 meeting minutes [08:46] to start that elfy :P [08:46] elfy: Yesyes! [08:46] slickymasterWork: Yes, yes I did. [08:46] elfy, next week? [08:47] * slickymasterWork takes a sabbtical until the wind changes [08:47] Now, I'm not saying Xubuntu/Meetings is correct, but I did put the minutes up. [08:47] elfy: the blueprints item in the meeting yesterday was only intended as a reminder and a potential discussion item if people have questions or wanna contribute or have ideas [08:47] slickymasterWork, which "wind" are you referring to? [08:47] the one elfy is trying to blow [08:48] ochosi, i don't think it would hurt to see what people have put up until then though and discuss that [08:48] ok Unit193, don't read me as if I'm chasing you down [08:48] yeah, i think we should keep the discussion item for the next meeting [08:48] eg. if somebody outside the team added something, to discuss if it's realistic and if the team wants to pursue [08:48] i only meant that this item isn't critical for determining when the meeting should be scheduled [08:48] ochosi, yeah but elfy asked "when" too ;) [08:48] no, but it would be nice that the next meeting was sooner than later [08:49] assuming that ochosi wants to be about [08:49] eg. if it's a month later, then the all stuff is a bit moot [08:49] sure, i don't mind if it's sooner [08:49] slickymasterWork: I may be under the impression something is dynamic that isn't, though. [08:49] i thought we were picking up the 2weeks schedule again anyway [08:49] ochosi: was thinking about next Friday morning ish [08:49] I can't fix it for you, if you're busy dealinf with other stuff Unit193 [08:50] * DEALING [08:50] slickymasterWork, you "can't"? [08:50] lol [08:50] elfy: should work for me [08:50] bah, damn keyboard [08:50] ochosi: okey dokey [08:51] I blame it on the weather knome. 34º since 8:30 Am [08:51] it's affecting me [08:51] Unit193, I meant I can do it for you [08:52] slickymasterWork, you sure it's not the "wind" that's affecting you? [08:52] slickymasterWork: So, current minutes aren't on current agenda page? I suppose I was under the impression that was somehow dynamic, oh well. [08:52] I wish it was windy over here today, knome [08:52] slickymasterWork, you are seriously missing my joke :P [08:52] slickymasterWork: maaaan, you're lucky. summer hasn't really come to us [08:53] it's hot as hell and not even a small breeze [08:53] Someone is breaking wind? [08:53] knome: he must be too hot to see it [08:53] elfy, or too "windy" [08:53] ochosi: you're lucky - you might get one - we had ours last week :) [08:53] no, I'm not knome, too early and too hot to have a laugh :P [08:54] elfy: idea: you inform me of my weather next week by telling me the weather you're having now! [08:54] we'll need to keep the joking in between slickymasterWork and qwebirc153739 - loads of opportunities for that during the day :p [08:55] ochosi: rain ... [08:55] lol [08:55] elfy: together we'll put all meterology out of work! [08:55] ha ha [08:55] Lisboa, Portugal: Temp: 66 F (19 C) ~ Clear ~ Humidity: 78% ~ Observed: Fri 29, 04:30 [08:55] that's 350 km down south Unit193 [08:56] guaranteed rain next - a year older for me [08:56] Was going to say, that's nice and cool. [08:56] yeah [08:57] biab === qwebirc1020516 is now known as slickymasterWork [10:59] ochosi: so - tried all those xfconf things - and doing it in the settings editor - not getting very far and ended up with it all going horribly wrong with no xfpm running at all ... [10:59] though I did have for a short while (0.00,0.00%) in the plugin [11:00] for a short while? that doesn't sound good [11:01] that is with the laptop? [11:04] no the desktop - not got as far as laptop [11:05] the short while being that I ended up removing the plugin and rebooting - kept getting an xfpm is not running do want to launch it [11:05] then apport starting ... [11:05] I'm now back at the pre-patch git and running [11:05] hm, no need to reboot usually [11:06] were there any compiler error messages [11:06] ? [11:06] no that was fine [11:07] not sure that thwe xfconf stuff was working properly - I'll be back to it in a short bit [11:08] http://pastebin.com/gg85S6YX [11:09] and when I used settings editor - it created it above xfpm [11:09] http://i.imgur.com/xwo2wli.png [11:23] oh [11:24] that's wrong [11:24] you need to create /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label instead of just /show-panel-label [11:24] yea I realise that - doesn't seem to want to let me [11:24] (don't ask me why all xfpm properties are in a separate xfce4-power-manager property when the channel is already called that) [11:25] it has to [11:25] it only doesn't let you if you have a syntax error [11:26] http://i.imgur.com/QZDAxVP.png [11:26] trying that then [11:27] ok -thanks :) [11:27] trying with patch again [11:30] ochosi: ok - all variables work [11:30] kewl :) [11:30] will grab it all and double check on laptop too [11:30] thanks a lot! [11:30] do you want me to comment on the bug? [11:30] much appreciated [11:30] yeah, that'd be great [11:30] okey doke [11:36] bluesabre: does [11:36] mmh [11:36] does the new upload of [11:37] gtk2-engines-xfce fix bug 1424887 [11:37] bug 1424887 in gtk2-engines-xfce (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Xfce 4.12 for Vivid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424887 [11:37] version 3.2 is now available in wily [11:40] also, could or should it be backported to vivid? [11:44] brainwash: yes, the wily upload fixes that, and no, lets not backport it [11:44] +1 on not backporting that [11:44] alright, thanks [11:44] feels like a waste of time [11:45] I'll sync all the wily packages in the xfce-4.12 ppa this weekend, folks that want it can get it there [11:45] nice [11:45] that's definitely good enough [11:45] we should focus on 15.10 now [11:46] Noskcaj: I'll take care of the panel upload tonight or this weekend, had some things on my plate [11:46] which reminds me... [11:47] bluesabre: what was the status of that script of yours for LO icons? [11:47] and did we settle on a potential path forward with that? [11:47] eh, not so good [11:47] right :) [11:47] it's ok, i guess i can work it out manually too [11:47] the LO icons for each of the themes differ enough from the upstream themes that I was getting a lot of false matches [11:48] i just wonder what the best route for us would be [11:48] upstream themes? [11:48] you mean there are differences between ubuntu and upstream LO iconsß [11:48] ? [11:48] as in LO-tango vs tango, LO-humanity vs humanity [11:48] oh [11:48] right [11:48] yeah, that doesnt surprise me too much [11:48] LO icons are a pain [11:49] if we do take on this herculean task, we should document it for other themes [11:50] document that how? [11:51] also, *if* i take on that task, i definitely won't do it for a second time ;) [11:52] anyway, pinging around in the LO dev community now [11:53] cool [11:53] maybe we can create a bug bounty on elementary :D [11:53] just to see whether we could upstream it [11:53] indeed, nice idea :) [12:00] gotta run, bbl [12:00] sure, ttyl [13:04] ochosi: ok - so on desktop plugin variable just shows up if it is more than off [13:05] on laptop variable only shows when on battery - when on mains it just shows the battery icon and no text [13:09] commented on bug [13:29] scratched my head a bit till I realised laptop didn't have staging and that's were the libxfce4panel-2.0-dev was ... [13:31] elfy: yeah, that's intended [13:31] when the battery is full, it doesnt show anything [13:32] i guess i should've mentioned that [13:32] bit hard to tell with any certainty here - battery lasts 5minutes if lucky ... [13:32] oh [13:37] ochosi: but long enough to see that icon expanded when on battery :) [14:06] bluesabre: mind if I unseed any gstreamer 0.10 packages? xfburn can use its own depends/recommends [14:15] micahg: would you mind to – for testing purposes – at some point in the cycle throw LO in a PPA? [14:16] ochosi: LO is in the archive, why do we need a PPA? it's already on the images [14:16] oh wait, i think in ubuntu the icon themes are separate from LO [14:17] point is i'm considering to make an icon-theme for LO that integrates with our default [14:17] and it would be good to enable easy testing for it [14:18] so, let's get the icon theme in the PPA, I'd really rather not start mucking around in LO unless we absolutely have to [14:18] yeah, absolutely, just gotta check out how those icon themes work (they're in a zip from what i've seen) === qwebirc636565 is now known as slickymasterWork [16:32] knome: care to look at latest xubuntu at... draft? I hope to publish monday [16:37] looks like knome got twitter, posted ochosi's latest email to fb and g+ === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_hols [17:58] pleia2, i will [17:59] knome: <3 thanks [18:03] pleia2, maybe an editors note on this: [18:03] Both 32x and 64x are based on Xubuntu 14.04 LTS so we can expect updates through early 2019. [18:04] doh [18:04] i can add that, i'm editing already [18:04] yeah, I might leave a footnote about how stuff shared with Ubuntu will, but not all of Xubuntu [18:04] s/I/you [18:04] :) [18:05] oh [18:05] i thought inline [18:05] that's fine too [18:05] yup [18:07] also "Xfce's Whisker Menu" -> "the Whisker Menu" [18:10] pleia2, ok, did some editorial editing [18:21] knome: I didn't do any editing of the inline interview itself because it's their words o_o [18:21] I guess it's ok though [18:23] i didn't change any meanings [18:23] just fixed typos, some formatting, etc. [18:25] * pleia2 nods [18:25] http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/revision.php?revision=3207 [18:25] for the full change list [18:26] which is short [18:32] thanks [18:32] I'll final review on sunday and publish on monday [18:35] yep, i'm fine with it as it is now, and i believe changes you make won't make it worse, so ++ [20:04] Hello? [20:09] bluesabre! [20:09] I've segfaulted, someone needs to fix me. :3 [20:10] sudo rm -rf Unit193 [20:10] not fixed but no longer a problem :) [20:12] :D [20:12] bluesabre: I'm confused with all the VCSes, there's a new xfdashboard. HALP! [20:13] Unit193: something I can hepl with? [20:14] micahg: It's more of a "What do I do?" thing, though if you wanted to knockout the Debian one I can use ubottu to randomly select which git repo so I can push to the PPA? [20:14] now I'm confused :\ [21:04] bluesabre, elfy: See -devel. [21:14] this is -devel? :P [21:52] that was my reaction ... [21:54] Unit193: read that -digested - probably forgotten so will rely on a ping to remind me to remind myself :p [21:55] elfy: At least I tried to keep you updated! :D [21:55] bluesabre: 16:39 local time. [21:55] * Unit193 looooves being in the same tz as the one he pings a lot. [21:56] Unit193: yep - thanks - was interesting reading - and infinity is a great guy to talk with for sure [21:56] Yeah, but I wanted someone else to, people and all. [21:57] Unit193: we should really get that in a meeting and/or on m/l [21:58] what is "that"? :) [21:58] the 'core' thing [21:58] That I don't talk to people. [21:58] xubuntu-core? yeah. [21:58] elfy: What time is the next meeting? [21:59] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:39 [21:59] Unit193: not set yet - but trying to fix it during UK 'day' so bluesabre can be here - but have dentist at midday [22:00] I'm in and out all next week. [22:00] bit hard to work that though [22:01] Unit193: well I think that if I can find a good time with 2/3 of ochosi bluesabre you [22:01] I think the others'll be more important, perhaps. [22:01] XPL/XTL. [22:02] yea - xtl tz is going to be onerous I think [22:02] basically I need to be gone 10:45UTC [22:02] bluesabre: ^^ what time are you about UTC wise? [22:02] wandering off again now into Friday evening :) [22:03] hf