[00:04] <Unit193> ochosi: Now it's all up to xfburn.
[00:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: As linked earlier, http://paste.openstack.org/show/zZTHqewdJcagM769YkZJ is a quick grep in x-d-s.
[03:05] <bluesabre> Unit193: go ahead and push any changes needed for x-d-s
[03:05] <Unit193> I don't have any changes.
[03:07] <bluesabre> ah...?
[03:07] <bluesabre> so the grep is for changes we need to make for LO to take over, right?
[03:08] <Unit193> Aye, considering they all say abiword? :P
[03:08] <Scout_> Eh, so... This is a community meeting, right?
[03:08] <Unit193> Abiword, gimp, gnumeric.
[03:08] <Unit193> Scout_: No, that was hours ago. :)
[03:09] <Scout_> Oh wow
[03:09] <Scout_> Darn, lol
[03:09] <Unit193> 16:00 our time (bluesabre, me), and it is 23:00 now.
[03:09] <bluesabre> :D
[03:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Everyone else should move to our time, shouldn't they?!
[03:10] <bluesabre> Unit193: agreed, and then maybe we could have meetings around 6pm our time :D
[03:10] <Scout_> What'd that be in PDT? I tried finding some sort of thing online for it, but didn't find much
[03:10] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll look at swapping LO into that grep tomorrow
[03:10] <Unit193> Scout_: We're in KY/OH, but generally the team uses UTC to not be confusing.
[03:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: Great!
[03:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Poked an infinity lately?  I got someone to pull in a pidgin with gst1.0.
[03:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: nice
[03:11] <Unit193> Scout_: We also try to link to sites like http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+community+meeting&iso=20150528T20&ah=1 if we can, so that it'll be converted to your time.
[03:12] <bluesabre> haven't poked anybody lately, will probably not tonight either... but soon
[03:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: xfburn and we should be able to drop gst0.10! \o/
[03:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: the pidgin news is lovely then :)
[03:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Awwh.
[03:12] <Unit193> And yeah! :D
[03:12] <Scout_> Darn, 1pm, wouldn't have been able to attend anyways :/
[03:12] <bluesabre> xfburn is ported as of the latest release, right?
[03:12] <Unit193> Scout_: There's minutes at least.
[03:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Right, it'll filter in from Debian soon™
[03:13] <bluesabre> very very nice
[03:13] <Scout_> How long do one of these meetings typically last, and what
[03:13] <Scout_> what's discussed*
[03:14] <Unit193> Depends what's on the agenda (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings) and who is there, for both questions.
[03:16] <Scout_> Alright, only asking since I'm not much of a programmer per say, but'd like to at the least attend one of the meetings :P
[03:16] <bluesabre> usually a bit under an hour, then everybody shows up a few minutes after the meeting ends
[03:17] <bluesabre> bed time for me... got xubuntu-artwork uploaded, so accomplished 1 thing today
[03:17] <bluesabre> good night all
[03:19] <Unit193> Scout_: What're you interested in helping with?  There's many different areas.
[03:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: Awwwh, good nighty.
[03:19] <Scout_> General run of the mill testing of the latest stuff, reporting back with bugs, that kinda stuff
[03:25] <Scout_> Not sure if that's developer channel worthy, but I thought I'd poke around and ask...
[03:25] <Unit193> QA, nice!  Always need help there.
[03:25] <Unit193> Well, our QA lead will wake up at 2am (thereabouts) my time.
[03:26] <Unit193> elfy: No discussion on core.
[03:27] <Scout_> Oh, awesome! I'm assuming QA Will be something like "Does ______ work? Does _______ have issues?" 
[03:31] <Unit193> Not precisely, no.
[03:32] <Scout_> Oh, what might it consist of in that case?
[03:35] <Unit193> Sorry, have to run real quick. :3
[03:36] <Scout_> Alright, well, I'll be here watching YouTube
[03:36] <Scout_> lol
[03:59] <Unit193> Hah.
[06:09] <ochosi> Unit193: wowza, that was a lot quicker than expected (pidgin, gst1)
[06:10] <Unit193> :)
[06:11] <ochosi> so how did you manage to sneak that in again? :)
[06:12] <Unit193> Bug robert_ancell, say "new and shiny", or rather say "get rid of gst0.10"
[06:13] <Unit193> pidgin-sipe is broken now, but no big deal. :D
[06:13] <ochosi> :D
[06:13]  * ochosi high-fives Unit193 
[06:13] <Unit193> Danke!
[06:14] <Unit193> (Also been testing it since March.)
[06:17] <ochosi> apart from gst1.0, were there any other transitions ahead?
[06:17] <ochosi> (i mean yeah, gtk3.16, but other than that)
[06:18] <ochosi> bluez was a topic last cycle, but i don't remember whether it was upgraded
[07:31] <elfy> ochosi knome: graphics for team pages? something like this for QA methinks http://tinyurl.com/pxyosc4
[07:34] <ochosi> hehe
[07:39] <Unit193> I call http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/137/5c4.jpg
[07:40] <ochosi> yeah, sry elfy, i'm with Unit193 on this one :)
[07:40] <elfy> works for me - looks like an application for QA lead to me :D 
[07:40] <ochosi> might be one of my favorites
[07:40] <elfy> I'm free !!!!!
[07:40] <Unit193> Nono, yours fits for QA, mine fits for devel! :D
[07:40] <ochosi> hahaha
[07:57] <ochosi> elfy: i know you have a desktop and all, but would you mind testing a new xfpm feature i was working on for 1.5.x?
[07:57] <elfy> if you keep asking me if I mind then I'll start saying no :D
[07:57] <elfy> of course I will - as always ;)
[07:58] <ochosi> haha
[07:58] <ochosi> ok
[07:58] <elfy> nice to be polite of course - but you can take it as read that if it's possible for me to do something then I will :)
[07:59] <ochosi> it's attached here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4499
[07:59] <elfy> with the obvious caveat that ellipse=circle for my eyes unless it is blindingly obvious 
[08:00] <ochosi> :)
[08:00] <ochosi> no, this is very visible
[08:00] <elfy> ochosi: would that not be better to test on laptop? 
[08:00] <ochosi> theoretically yes, but actually the times are values returned by upower
[08:00] <ochosi> so if they're wrong or off, not our fault
[08:01] <ochosi> it's more about the label showing up and all
[08:01] <ochosi> that could use some testing
[08:01] <ochosi> and no nasty sideeffects
[08:01] <ochosi> (like breakage of the systray icon)
[08:01] <elfy> ok - well I can do both if that's helpful 
[08:01] <ochosi> oh
[08:01] <ochosi> actually it would
[08:01] <elfy> okey doke
[08:01] <ochosi> i mean you can also just test it on the laptop
[08:01] <ochosi> that would be better, i forgot you had one
[08:02] <elfy> right 
[08:02] <elfy> so just patch the git xfpm and install it? 
[08:02] <ochosi> yup
[08:02] <ochosi> with "git apply $patch"
[08:02] <elfy> okey doke - got a few things to do today,but I'll fit in 
[08:03] <elfy> yup 
[08:03] <ochosi> oh, actually
[08:03] <elfy> lol
[08:03] <ochosi> the hidden property doesn't get created automatically
[08:03] <ochosi> so open xfce4-settings-editor, channel xfce4-power-manager
[08:03] <ochosi> and create "show-panel-label", Integer
[08:03] <ochosi> then you can switch through 0 to 3 for all variants
[08:05] <elfy> ok 
[08:06] <ochosi> you can also use this:
[08:06] <ochosi> xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label -s 1
[08:06] <ochosi> where "1" is the integer value
[08:06] <ochosi> and first this to create the property:
[08:06] <ochosi> xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -n /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label
[08:07] <ochosi> (sry, i really should've thought more about this initially and given you a clearer writeup :/ )
[08:07] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[08:07] <elfy> it's ok - I'll work it out :)
[08:07] <ochosi> errr this will create the property:
[08:07] <ochosi> xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -n -p /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label
[08:07] <ochosi> forgot the -p
[08:08] <ochosi> well if you get stuck just lemme know!
[08:08] <elfy> will do 
[08:38] <knome> elfy, haha, you made me literally chuckle
[08:39] <knome> elfy, but to answer your question seriously, no, i was just thinking about the involvement frontpage - but why not teams too - later
[08:39] <elfy> :)
[08:39] <slickymasterWork> morning elfy, knome 
[08:40] <knome> hey slickymasterWork 
[08:40] <elfy> morning 
[08:42] <qwebirc153739> bah
[08:42] <knome> hah
[08:42] <qwebirc153739> Unit193, you messed up the minutes in the wiki
[08:42] <qwebirc153739> you add the ones from the 12-05 meeting, not the ones from yesterday :P
[08:44] <Unit193> I didn't edit that page.
[08:44] <knome> Unit193, you no good
[08:44] <qwebirc153739> yes you did Unit193 -> Xubuntu/Meetings (last edited 2015-05-28 20:57:44 by unit193)
[08:44] <knome> ahhahahahaha!
[08:45] <Unit193> But for other things.  That's automatic, or something, I think.
[08:45] <knome> this is so good
[08:45]  * knome gets popcorn
[08:45] <Unit193> It's close enough at least.
[08:45] <slickymasterWork> weren't you supposed to add the minutes to the wiki Unit193?
[08:45] <elfy> ochosi: re meetings - you want the next one soonish? and what time would you want it if we're going to "blueprints"? 
[08:45] <Unit193> I did.
[08:45] <slickymasterWork> apparently you didn't :P
[08:46] <elfy> Unit193: frankly I think that editing the meeting page should be docs responsibility 
[08:46] <slickymasterWork> it's still with the 12-05 meeting minutes
[08:46] <slickymasterWork> to start that elfy :P
[08:46] <Unit193> elfy: Yesyes!
[08:46] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: Yes, yes I did.
[08:46] <knome> elfy, next week?
[08:47]  * slickymasterWork takes a sabbtical until the wind changes
[08:47] <Unit193> Now, I'm not saying Xubuntu/Meetings is correct, but I did put the minutes up.
[08:47] <ochosi> elfy: the blueprints item in the meeting yesterday was only intended as a reminder and a potential discussion item if people have questions or wanna contribute or have ideas
[08:47] <knome> slickymasterWork, which "wind" are you referring to?
[08:47] <slickymasterWork> the one elfy is trying to blow
[08:48] <knome> ochosi, i don't think it would hurt to see what people have put up until then though and discuss that
[08:48] <slickymasterWork> ok Unit193, don't read me as if I'm chasing you down
[08:48] <ochosi> yeah, i think we should keep the discussion item for the next meeting
[08:48] <knome> eg. if somebody outside the team added something, to discuss if it's realistic and if the team wants to pursue
[08:48] <ochosi> i only meant that this item isn't critical for determining when the meeting should be scheduled
[08:48] <knome> ochosi, yeah but elfy asked "when" too ;)
[08:48] <knome> no, but it would be nice that the next meeting was sooner than later
[08:49] <elfy> assuming that ochosi wants to be about 
[08:49] <knome> eg. if it's a month later, then the all stuff is a bit moot
[08:49] <ochosi> sure, i don't mind if it's sooner
[08:49] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: I may be under the impression something is dynamic that isn't, though.
[08:49] <ochosi> i thought we were picking up the 2weeks schedule again anyway
[08:49] <elfy> ochosi: was thinking about next Friday morning ish 
[08:49] <slickymasterWork> I can't fix it for you, if you're busy dealinf with other stuff Unit193 
[08:50] <slickymasterWork> * DEALING
[08:50] <knome> slickymasterWork, you "can't"?
[08:50] <elfy> lol 
[08:50] <ochosi> elfy: should work for me
[08:50] <slickymasterWork> bah, damn keyboard
[08:50] <elfy> ochosi: okey dokey
[08:51] <slickymasterWork> I blame it on the weather knome. 34º since 8:30 Am
[08:51] <slickymasterWork> it's affecting me
[08:51] <slickymasterWork> Unit193, I meant I can do it for you
[08:52] <knome> slickymasterWork, you sure it's not the "wind" that's affecting you?
[08:52] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: So, current minutes aren't on current agenda page?  I suppose I was under the impression that was somehow dynamic, oh well.
[08:52] <slickymasterWork> I wish it was windy over here today, knome 
[08:52] <knome> slickymasterWork, you are seriously missing my joke :P
[08:52] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: maaaan, you're lucky. summer hasn't really come to us
[08:53] <slickymasterWork> it's hot as hell and not even a small breeze 
[08:53] <Unit193> Someone is breaking wind?
[08:53] <elfy> knome: he must be too hot to see it 
[08:53] <knome> elfy, or too "windy"
[08:53] <elfy> ochosi: you're lucky - you might get one - we had ours last week :)
[08:53] <slickymasterWork> no, I'm not knome, too early and too hot to have a laugh :P
[08:54] <ochosi> elfy: idea: you inform me of my weather next week by telling me the weather you're having now!
[08:54] <elfy> we'll need to keep the joking in between slickymasterWork and qwebirc153739 - loads of opportunities for that during the day :p
[08:55] <elfy> ochosi: rain ... 
[08:55] <slickymasterWork> lol
[08:55] <ochosi> elfy: together we'll put all meterology out of work!
[08:55] <elfy> ha ha 
[08:55] <Unit193> Lisboa, Portugal: Temp: 66 F (19 C) ~ Clear ~ Humidity: 78% ~ Observed: Fri 29, 04:30
[08:55] <slickymasterWork> that's 350 km down south Unit193 
[08:56] <elfy> guaranteed rain next - a year older for me 
[08:56] <Unit193> Was going to say, that's nice and cool.
[08:56] <slickymasterWork> yeah
[08:57] <elfy> biab
[10:59] <elfy> ochosi: so - tried all those xfconf things - and doing it in the settings editor - not getting very far and ended up with it all going horribly wrong with no xfpm running at all ... 
[10:59] <elfy> though I did have for a short while (0.00,0.00%) in the plugin 
[11:00] <ochosi> for a short while? that doesn't sound good
[11:01] <ochosi> that is with the laptop?
[11:04] <elfy> no the desktop - not got as far as laptop
[11:05] <elfy> the short while being that I ended up removing the plugin and rebooting - kept getting an xfpm is not running do want to launch it
[11:05] <elfy> then apport starting ... 
[11:05] <elfy> I'm now back at the pre-patch git and running
[11:05] <ochosi> hm, no need to reboot usually
[11:06] <ochosi> were there any compiler error messages
[11:06] <ochosi> ?
[11:06] <elfy> no that was fine
[11:07] <elfy> not sure that thwe xfconf stuff was working properly - I'll be back to it in a short bit 
[11:08] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/gg85S6YX
[11:09] <elfy> and when I used settings editor - it created it above xfpm 
[11:09] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/xwo2wli.png
[11:23] <ochosi> oh
[11:24] <ochosi> that's wrong
[11:24] <ochosi> you need to create /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label instead of just /show-panel-label
[11:24] <elfy> yea I realise that - doesn't seem to want to let me 
[11:24] <ochosi> (don't ask me why all xfpm properties are in a separate xfce4-power-manager property when the channel is already called that)
[11:25] <ochosi> it has to
[11:25] <ochosi> it only doesn't let you if you have a syntax error
[11:26] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/QZDAxVP.png
[11:26] <elfy> trying that then 
[11:27] <elfy> ok -thanks :)
[11:27] <elfy> trying with patch again 
[11:30] <elfy> ochosi: ok - all variables work 
[11:30] <ochosi> kewl :)
[11:30] <elfy> will grab it all and double check on laptop too 
[11:30] <ochosi> thanks a lot!
[11:30] <elfy> do you want me to comment on the bug? 
[11:30] <ochosi> much appreciated
[11:30] <ochosi> yeah, that'd be great
[11:30] <elfy> okey doke
[11:36] <brainwash> bluesabre: does 
[11:36] <brainwash> mmh
[11:36] <brainwash> does the new upload of 
[11:37] <brainwash> gtk2-engines-xfce fix bug 1424887
[11:37] <brainwash> version 3.2 is now available in wily
[11:40] <brainwash> also, could or should it be backported to vivid?
[11:44] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes, the wily upload fixes that, and no, lets not backport it
[11:44] <ochosi> +1 on not backporting that
[11:44] <brainwash> alright, thanks
[11:44] <ochosi> feels like a waste of time
[11:45] <bluesabre> I'll sync all the wily packages in the xfce-4.12 ppa this weekend, folks that want it can get it there
[11:45] <ochosi> nice
[11:45] <ochosi> that's definitely good enough
[11:45] <ochosi> we should focus on 15.10 now
[11:46] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I'll take care of the panel upload tonight or this weekend, had some things on my plate
[11:46] <ochosi> which reminds me...
[11:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: what was the status of that script of yours for LO icons?
[11:47] <ochosi> and did we settle on a potential path forward with that?
[11:47] <bluesabre> eh, not so good
[11:47] <ochosi> right :)
[11:47] <ochosi> it's ok, i guess i can work it out manually too
[11:47] <bluesabre> the LO icons for each of the themes differ enough from the upstream themes that I was getting a lot of false matches
[11:48] <ochosi> i just wonder what the best route for us would be
[11:48] <ochosi> upstream themes?
[11:48] <ochosi> you mean there are differences between ubuntu and upstream LO iconsß
[11:48] <ochosi> ?
[11:48] <bluesabre> as in LO-tango vs tango, LO-humanity vs humanity
[11:48] <ochosi> oh
[11:48] <ochosi> right
[11:48] <ochosi> yeah, that doesnt surprise me too much
[11:48] <ochosi> LO icons are a pain
[11:49] <bluesabre> if we do take on this herculean task, we should document it for other themes
[11:50] <ochosi> document that how?
[11:51] <ochosi> also, *if* i take on that task, i definitely won't do it for a second time ;)
[11:52] <ochosi> anyway, pinging around in the LO dev community now
[11:53] <bluesabre> cool
[11:53] <bluesabre> maybe we can create a bug bounty on elementary :D
[11:53] <ochosi> just to see whether we could upstream it
[11:53] <ochosi> indeed, nice idea :)
[12:00] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:00] <ochosi> sure, ttyl
[13:04] <elfy> ochosi: ok - so on desktop plugin variable just shows up if it is more than off
[13:05] <elfy> on laptop variable only shows when on battery - when on mains it just shows the battery icon and no text
[13:09] <elfy> commented on bug
[13:29] <elfy> scratched my head a bit till I realised laptop didn't have staging and that's were the libxfce4panel-2.0-dev was ... 
[13:31] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, that's intended
[13:31] <ochosi> when the battery is full, it doesnt show anything
[13:32] <ochosi> i guess i should've mentioned that
[13:32] <elfy> bit hard to tell with any certainty here - battery lasts 5minutes if lucky ... 
[13:32] <ochosi> oh
[13:37] <elfy> ochosi: but long enough to see that icon expanded when on battery :)
[14:06] <micahg> bluesabre: mind if I unseed any gstreamer 0.10 packages?  xfburn can use its own depends/recommends
[14:15] <ochosi> micahg: would you mind to – for testing purposes – at some point in the cycle throw LO in a PPA?
[14:16] <micahg> ochosi: LO is in the archive, why do we need a PPA?  it's already on the images
[14:16] <ochosi> oh wait, i think in ubuntu the icon themes are separate from LO
[14:17] <ochosi> point is i'm considering to make an icon-theme for LO that integrates with our default
[14:17] <ochosi> and it would be good to enable easy testing for it
[14:18] <micahg> so, let's get the icon theme in the PPA, I'd really rather not start mucking around in LO unless we absolutely have to
[14:18] <ochosi> yeah, absolutely, just gotta check out how those icon themes work (they're in a zip from what i've seen)
[16:32] <pleia2> knome: care to look at latest xubuntu at... draft? I hope to publish monday
[16:37] <pleia2> looks like knome got twitter, posted ochosi's latest email to fb and g+
[17:58] <knome> pleia2, i will
[17:59] <pleia2> knome: <3 thanks
[18:03] <knome> pleia2, maybe an editors note on this:
[18:03] <knome> Both 32x and 64x are based on Xubuntu 14.04 LTS so we can expect updates through early 2019.
[18:04] <pleia2> doh
[18:04] <knome> i can add that, i'm editing already
[18:04] <pleia2> yeah, I might leave a footnote about how stuff shared with Ubuntu will, but not all of Xubuntu
[18:04] <pleia2> s/I/you
[18:04] <pleia2> :)
[18:05] <knome> oh
[18:05] <knome> i thought inline
[18:05] <pleia2> that's fine too
[18:05] <knome> yup
[18:07] <knome> also "Xfce's Whisker Menu" -> "the Whisker Menu"
[18:10] <knome> pleia2, ok, did some editorial editing
[18:21] <pleia2> knome: I didn't do any editing of the inline interview itself because it's their words o_o
[18:21] <pleia2> I guess it's ok though
[18:23] <knome> i didn't change any meanings
[18:23] <knome> just fixed typos, some formatting, etc.
[18:25]  * pleia2 nods
[18:25] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/revision.php?revision=3207
[18:25] <knome> for the full change list
[18:26] <knome> which is short
[18:32] <pleia2> thanks
[18:32] <pleia2> I'll final review on sunday and publish on monday
[18:35] <knome> yep, i'm fine with it as it is now, and i believe changes you make won't make it worse, so ++
[20:04] <Unit193> Hello?
[20:09] <Unit193> bluesabre!
[20:09] <Unit193> I've segfaulted, someone needs to fix me. :3
[20:10] <drc>   sudo rm -rf  Unit193 
[20:10] <drc> not fixed but no longer a problem :)
[20:12] <Unit193> :D
[20:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'm confused with all the VCSes, there's a new xfdashboard.  HALP!
[20:13] <micahg> Unit193: something I can hepl with?
[20:14] <Unit193> micahg: It's more of a "What do I do?" thing, though if you wanted to knockout the Debian one I can use ubottu to randomly select which git repo so I can push to the PPA?
[20:14] <micahg> now I'm confused :\
[21:04] <Unit193> bluesabre, elfy: See -devel.
[21:14] <knome> this is -devel? :P
[21:52] <elfy> that was my reaction ... 
[21:54] <elfy> Unit193: read that -digested - probably forgotten so will rely on a ping to remind me to remind myself :p
[21:55] <Unit193> elfy: At least I tried to keep you updated! :D
[21:55] <Unit193> bluesabre: 16:39 local time.
[21:55]  * Unit193 looooves being in the same tz as the one he pings a lot.
[21:56] <elfy> Unit193: yep - thanks - was interesting reading - and infinity is a great guy to talk with for sure
[21:56] <Unit193> Yeah, but I wanted someone else to, people and all.
[21:57] <elfy> Unit193: we should really get that in a meeting and/or on m/l 
[21:58] <knome> what is "that"? :)
[21:58] <elfy> the 'core' thing
[21:58] <Unit193> That I don't talk to people.
[21:58] <knome> xubuntu-core? yeah.
[21:58] <Unit193> elfy: What time is the next meeting?
[21:59] <elfy> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:39
[21:59] <elfy> Unit193: not set yet - but trying to fix it during UK 'day' so bluesabre can be here - but have dentist at midday 
[22:00] <Unit193> I'm in and out all next week.
[22:00] <elfy> bit hard to work that though
[22:01] <elfy> Unit193: well I think that if I can find a good time with 2/3 of ochosi bluesabre you 
[22:01] <Unit193> I think the others'll be more important, perhaps.
[22:01] <Unit193> XPL/XTL.
[22:02] <elfy> yea - xtl tz is going to be onerous I think 
[22:02] <elfy> basically I need to be gone 10:45UTC
[22:02] <elfy> bluesabre: ^^ what time are you about UTC wise? 
[22:02] <elfy> wandering off again now into Friday evening :)
[22:03] <knome> hf